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A83365	The Parliaments vindication of Iohn Pym Esquire from His Majesties exception against him. Occasioned from his speech delivered at a conference with both Houses Jan. 25. 1641 concerning licenses granted by His Majesties immediate warrant, to many of the chiefe commanders now in the head of the rebells in Ireland, for their transporting thither, since the ports were stopt by both Houses of Parliament, against all Irish papists. In which vindication are, 1. Mr. Pym his speech. 2. His Majesties message concerning his speech. 3. The Commons answer to the message. 4. His Majesties reply to the Commons answer. 5. The Commons answer to the reply. 6. His Majesties second reply. Ordered by the Commons House of Parliament, that Mr. Pym his speech, His Majesties message concerning his speech, the commons answer to the message, His Majesties reply to the Commons answer, the Commons answer to that reply, and His Majesties second reply, be forthwith printed together and published. H. Elsynge Cler. Parl. D. Com.	England and Wales. Parliament.; Pym, John, 1584-1643.	1643 (1643)	Wing E2152; Thomason E55_2; ESTC R22746	13,388	18

of those who have fled from the Justice of the Parliament 5. A generall obstruction and interruption of the proceedings of Parliament by those manifold designes of violence which through Gods mercy we have escaped by the great and frequent breaches of Priviledge by the subtile endeavours to raise parties in our House and jealousies betwixt the two Houses 6. The obstruction in providing for the defence of the Kingdome that wee might be enabled to resist a forraigne Enemy to suppresse all civill Insurrections and what a pressing necessity there is of this the exceeding great decaies in the Navie in the Forts the manifold defects in the power of ordering the Militia of the Kingdome and meanes of furnishing them with Munition are sufficient evidences known to none better then to your Lordships and what endeavour we have used to remove them but hitherto without that successe and concurrence which we expected and where the stop hath been and upon what good grounds we may claime our own innocencie and faithfulnesse in this we desire no other Witnesses but your selves Lastly I come to the evill influences which have caused this distemper and I shall content my selfe to mention some few of those which are most apparant and Important 1. In the first place I shall remember the evill Counsels about the King whereof we have often complained Diseases of the brain are most dangerous because from thence Sense and Motion are derived to the whole body The malignity of evill Counsels will quickly be infused into all parts of the State None can doubt but we have exceedingly laboured under most dangerous and mischievous Counsels This evill influence hath been the cause of the preparation of Warre with Scotland of the procuring a Rebellion in Ireland of corrupting Religion suppressing the Liberty of this Kingdome and of many fearfull and horrid attempts to the subverting the very being of Parliament which was the onely hopefull meanes of opposing and preventing all the rest And this doth still appeare to be the most predominant evill of the time whereat wee need not wonder when wee consider how Counsellours have been preferred and prepared And herein I appeale to your Lordships own consciences whether the giving and the countenancing of evill Counsell hath not been almost the onely way to favour and advancement 2. The discouragement of good Counsell divers honest and approved Counsellors have been put from their places others so discountenanced as that the way of favour hath been shut against them and that of danger and destruction onely open to them 3. The great power that an interessed and factious Party hath in the Parliament by the continuance of the Votes of the Bishops and Popish Lords in your Lordships House and the taking in of others both out of the House of Commons and otherwise to increase their strength 4. The somenting and cherishing of a Malignant party throughout the whole Kingome 5. The manifold jealousies betwixt the King his Parliament and good Subjects whereby his protection and favour hath in a great measure been withheld from them their inclination and resolution to serve and assist him hath been very much hindered and interrupted we have often suffered under the mis-interpretation of good Actions and false imputation of evill which we never intended So that we may justly purge our selves from all guilt of being Authors of this jealousie and mis-understanding We have been and are still ready to serve his Majesty with our lives and fortunes with as much cheerefulnesse and earnestnesse of affection as ever any Subjects were we doubt not but our proceedings will so manifest this that we shall be as clear in the apprehension of the World as wee are in the Testimony of our owne Consciences I am now come to a conclusion and I have nothing to propound to your Lordships by way of request or desire from the House of Commons I doubt not but your judgements will tell you what is to be done your consciences your Honours your interests will call upon you for the doing of it The Commons will be glad to have your help and concurrence in saving of the Kingdome but if they should faile of it it shall not discourage them in doing their duty And whether the Kingdome bee lost or saved as through Gods blessing I hope it will be they shall be sorry that the story of this present Parliament should tell Posterity that in so great danger and extremitie the House of Commons should bee inforced alone to undertake those courses which are necessary for the saving of it and that the House of Peeres should have no part in the honour of those indeavours your great Estates and high degrees of Nobility giving you so large an Interrest in the good successe of them My Lords consider what the present necessities and dangers of the Common-wealth require what the Commons have reason to expect to what endeavours and Counsells the concurrent desires of all the people doe invite you so that applying your selves to the preservation of the King and Kingdome I may bee bold to assure you in the name of all the Commons of England that you shall be bravely seconded His Majesties Message sent to the House of Commons concerning Licences granted by his Majesty to severall persons to passe into IRELAND HIS Majesty taking notice of a Speech pretending in the Title to have been delive●ed by M● Pym in a Conference and printed by Order of the House of Commons in which it is affirmed That since the stop upon the Ports against all Irish Papists by both Houses many of the chiefe Commanders now in the head of the Rebells have been suffered to passe by his Majesties immediate Warrant and being very certaine of having used extreme Caution in the granting of Passeports into Ireland So that He conceives either this Paper not to have been so delivered and printed as it pretends or this House to have received some mis-information His Majesty would be resolved whether this Speech were so delivered and Printed and if it were would have this House to review upon what Informations that particular was grounded that either that may be found upon re-examination to have been false and both this House and his Majesty injured by it or that his Majesty may know by what meanes and by whose fault His Authority hath been so highly abused as to be made to conduce to the assistance of that Rebellion which hee so much detests and abhors and that He may see himselfe fully vindicated from all reflections of the least suspition of that kinde The Answer of the House of Commons YOur Majesties most loyall and faithfull Subjects the Commons now assembled in Parliament have taken into their serious consideration the Message received from your Majesty the seventh of this instant February and doe acknowledge that the Speech therein mentioned to be delivered by Master Pym in a Conference was Printed by their Order and that what was therein delivered was agreeable to the

THE PARLIAMENTS VINDICATION OF IOHN PYM Esquire From his Majesties exception against Him Occasioned from his Speech delivered at a Conference with both Houses Jan. 25. 1641 concerning Licences granted by his Majesties immediate Warrant to many of the chiefe Commanders now in the head of the Rebells in Ireland for their transporting thither since the Ports were stopt by both Houses of Parliament against all IRISH Papists In which Vindication are 1. Mr. Pym his Speech 2. His Majesties Message concerning his Speech 3. The Commons Answer to the Message 4. His Majesties Reply to the Commons Answer 5. The Commons Answer to the Reply 6. His Majesties second Reply Ordered by the Commons House of Parliament that Mr. Pym his Speech His Majesties Message concerning his Speech The Commons answer to the Message His Majesties Reply to the Commons Answer The Commons answer to that Reply And His Majesties second Reply be forthwith Printed together and Published H. Elsynge Cler. Parl. D. Com. LONDON Printed for John Bull 1643. January 25. 1641. At a Conference betwixt both HOUSES concerning divers Petitions presented to the House of Commons Mr. PYM appointed to manage that Conference My Lords I Am commanded by the Knights Citizens and Burgesses assembled for the Commons in Parliament to present to your Lordships divers Petitions which they have received from severall parts concerning the state of the Kingdome whereunto they are chiefly moved by that constant affection which they have alwayes exprest of maintaining a firm union and good correspondence with your Lordships wherein they have ever found much advantage and contentment but never held it more important and necessary then at this time vvherein the wisdome and resolution of Parliament have as many great dangers and difficulties to passe through as ever heretofore We are united in the publique trust vvhich is derived from the Common-wealth in the common dutie and obligation vvhereby God doth bind us to the discharge of that trust and the Commons desire to impart to your Lordships vvhatsoever Information or Intelligence vvhatsoever Incouragement or Assistance they have received from those severall Countries vvhich they represent that so likewise vve may be united in the same intentions and endeavours of improving all to the service of his Majesty and the common good of the Kingdome The Petitions vvhich I am directed to communicate to your Lordships are foure from London Middlesex Essex and Hertfordshire We have received many more but it vvould take up too much time and be too great a trouble to peruse all and in these foure you may perceive the effect and sense of all First I am to desire your Lordships to heare them read and then I shall persue my Instructions in propounding some Observations out of them The Petitions being read by foure Members of the House Mr. Pym resumed his discourse My Lords IN these foure Petitions you may heare the voice or rather the cry of all England and you cannot wonder if the urgencie the extremitie of the condition wherin we are do produce some earnestnesse and vehemencie of expression more then ordinarie the agonie terror and perplexitie in which the Kingdome labours is universall all parts are aff●cted with it and therefore in these you may observe the groanes and miserable complaints of all Divers reasons may be given why those diseases which are Epidemicall are more dangerous then others 1. The Cause of such diseases is universall and supernall not from an evill constitution or evill diet or any other accident and such causes work with more vigour and efficacie then those which are particular and inferiour 2. In such diseases there is a communicative qualitie whereby the malignitie of them is multiplied and enforced 3. They have a converting transforming power that turns other diseases and evill affections of mens bodies into their owne nature The common and Epidemicall disease wherein this Common-wealth lies now gasping hath a superior and universall cause from the evill Counsells and designes of those who under his Majestie bear the greatest sway in Government 2. It hath a contagious and infectious qualitie whereby it is diffused and dispersed through all parts of the Kingdome 3. It is apt to take in the discontents evill affections and designes of particular persons to increase and fortifie it selfe I shall take occ●sion from severall branches of those Petitions which your Lordships have heard to observe 1. The varietie of Dangers to which this Kingdome is now subject 2. The manifold distempers which is the cause of those dangers 3 The Multiplicitie of those evill Influences which are the Causes of that distemper The first Danger is from enemies abroad this may seem a causelesse and impertinent observation at this time seeing we are in peace with all Nations about us But my Lords you may be pleased to consider that the safetie of the Kingdome ought not to depend upon the will and disposition of our Neighbours but upon our own strength and Provision Betwixt States there are often sudden changes from peace to warre according to occasion and advantage All the States of Christendome are now Armd and we have no reason to believe but that those of greatest power have an evill eye upon us in respect of our Religion and if their private Differences should be composed how dangerously how speedily might those great armies and other preparations now ready be applyed to some enterprise and attempt against us if there were no other cause this were sufficient to make us stand upon our Guard but there are divers more especiall symptomes of dangers of this kind We may perceive by severall Advertisements from abroad that they did foresee our Dangers many Moneths before they broke out they could foretell the Time and Manner of them which is a cleare evidence they held intelligence with those which were the contrivers and workers of the present troubles We may have dangerous Traitors and Fugitives now in other parts who can discover the weaknesse and distemper of the Kingdome who hold Intelligence with the ill affected party here and by all cunning and subtle practices endeavour to incite and provoke other Princes against us Some of the Ministers of our neighbour Princes may be justly suspected to have had a more immediate hand and operation in the Insurrection and Rebellion of Ireland many of the Commanders and most of the Souldiers levied for the service of Spain are now joyned with the Rebels there and those Irish Friars which were imployed by the Spanish Ambassadour for the making of those Levies are known to have been chief Incendiaries to this Rebellion and are still very active in the prosecution and incouragement of it The Rebels have a ready and speedy supply from some of our Neighbours Two Convoyes of Munition and Armes we are certainly informed of one from Dunkirke the other from Nantes in Britanie and certainly those that are so forward to enable others to hurt us will not forbeare to hurt us themselves assoon as they shall

have meanes and opportunity to doe it Another Danger is from the Papists and ill-affected parties at home The Papists here are acted by the same principles with those in Ireland many of the most active of them have lately been there which argues an intercourse and Communication of Counsels They have still store of Armes and Munition at their disposing notwithstanding all our endeavours to disarme them they have a free resort to the City and to the Court they want no opportunities to consult together they have the same or greater Incouragements from above and from about them then ever in respect of the example and successe of the Rebels in Ireland and the great confusions and divisions which by their cunning and subtile practises are raised and fomented amongst our selves at home 3. A third danger is of Tumults and Insurrections of the meaner sort of people by reason of their ill vent of cloth and other Manufactures whereby great multitudes are set on work who live for the most part by their daily gettings and will in a short time be brought to great extremitie if not imployed Nothing is more sharp and pressing then necessity and want what they cannot buy they will take and from them the like necessitie will quickly be derived to the Farmours and Husbandmen and so grow higher and involve all in an equalitie of misery and distresse if it be not p●evented And at this time such tumults will be dangerous because the Kingdom is full of disbanded Souldiers and Officers which will be ready to head and to animate the Multitude to commit Violence with more strength and advantage and if they once grow into a body it will be much more difficult to reduce them into Order againe because necessity and want which are the causes of this disturbance will still increase as the effects doe increase A fourth danger is from the Rebells in Ireland not onely in respect of that Kingdome but in respect of this They have seazed upon the Body of that Kingdome already they abound in men of very able bodies they increase in Armes and Munition they have great hopes of supplies from abroad of incouragement here and are sure of good entertainment from the Popish Party so that they begin to speak already of the transporting themselves hither and making this Kingdome the seat of the Warre The Distemper which hath produced these Dangers is various and exceeding violent Whensoever nature is hindered in her proper operations and faculties distempers will necessarily follow The obstructions which have brought us into this distemper are very many so that we cannot wonder at the strength and malignity of it Some of the chiefest of these obstructions I shall endeavour to remember 1. The obstruction of Reformation in matters of Religion no Grievances are sharper than those that presse upon the tender consciences of men and there was never Church or State afflicted with more Grievances of this kind then we have been And though they are by the wisedome of this Parliament partly eased and diminished yet many still remaine and as long as the Bishops and the corrupt part of the Clergy continue in their Power there will be little hope of Freedome either from the sence of those which continue or the feare of those which are removed And of this obstruction my Lords I must cleare the Commons we are in no part guilty of it some good Bills have past us and others are in preparation which might have been past before this if we had not found such ill successe in the other Whatsoever mischiefe this obstruction shall produce we are free from it we may have our part of the Misery wee can have no part in the guilt or dishonour 2. The obstruction in Trade it is the Trade that brings food and nourishment to the Kingdome It is that which preserves and increaseth the stock of the whole and distributes a convenient Portion of maintenance to every part of it therefore such an obstruction as this must needs be dangerous the Freedome of Trade being so necessary the benefit so important as that it gives life strength and beauty to the whole body of the Common-wealth but I must protest the House of Commons hath given no cause to this Obstruction wee have eas'd Trade of many Burdens and heavie Taxes which are taken off we have freed it from many hard restraints by Pattents and Monopolies wee have been willing to part with our owne Priviledges to give it Incouragement we have sought to put the Merchants into Security and confidence in respect of the Tower of London that so they might be invited to bring in their Bullion to the Mint as heretofore they have done and we are no way guilty of the troubles the feares and publique dangers which make men withdraw their Stocks and to keep their Money by them to be ready for such sodain Exigents as in these great distractions we have too much cause to expect 3. The obstruction in the reliefe of Ireland It must needs bee accompted a great shame and dishonour to this Kingdome that our neighbours have shewed themselves more forward to supply the Rebells then we have bin to relieve our distressed brethren and fellow Subjects But I must declare that the House of Commons is altogether innocent of any neglect herein As soon as the first newes of the Rebellion came over we undertooke the Warre not by way of Supply and aide as in former Rebellions the Subjects have used to doe but we undertooke the whole charge of it and wee suffered not 24. houres to passe before we agreed to a great Levie of Money and Men to bee imployed against the Rebells even in a larger proportion then the Lord Justices and Councell there did desire and from time to time we have done all for the furtherance thereof though in the midst of many distractions and diversions but the want of Commissions for levying Men for issuing Armes and divers other Impediments have been the causes of that obstruction and I wish we had not onely found impediments to our selves but also incouragements to them Many of the chiefe Commanders now in the Head of the Rebells after we had with your Lordships concurrence stopt the Ports against all Irish Papists have been suffered to passe by his Majesties immediate Warrant much to the discouragement of the Lord Justices and the Counsell there and this procured as we beleive by some evill Instruments too neere his Regall person without his Majesties knowledge and intention 4 The obstruction in prosecution of Delinquents many we have already brought up to your Lordships divers others wee have been discouraged to transmit such difficult proceedings have we met withall such terrours and discountenance have been cast upon our selves and our witnesses those who have shewed themselves their friends and Patrons have found it the most ready way to preferment yea his Majesties owne hand hath been obtained his Majesties Ships imployed for the transporting of divers

lately endeavoured to passe over did produce no Licence and upon his examination doth absolutely deny that he had any A fourth ground which we humbly offer to your Majesty is this That your Majesty cannot be assured that no other did passe upon your Licence as your Majesty doth conceive and are pleased to expresse in your Answer that we had great cause to believe that divers other had passed over by your Warrant besides the persons afore-mentioned and that for these reasons 1. Because we received such a generall information that divers now in the head of the Rebells were passed by your Majesties Licence which being true in part and easie to be effected in regard of the nature and extent of the Warrants and probable to be attempted in regard of the subtilty and vigilancy of that party to make use of all advantages seemed to deserve credit which we should not have given to it if it had been a naked information without such circumstances 2. Because we had concurring advertisements from Ireland and Chester that divers Priests Jesuites and Popish Commanders had passed over were landed there and particularly some of Colonell Butlers Company and that the Officers of the Ports had kept no entry of the names of these persons or of the VVarrants by which they were transported These we hope will be sufficient to perswade your Majesty to believe that as we had some cause to give credit to the said informations so we had no intention to make any ill use of them to your Majesties dishonour but did impute the blame to your Ministers who might have been more carefull to have informed your Majesty of the Quality of those persons named in your Licences and so to have limited them that they might not have extended to others as they did how many and dangerous soever And they pray your Majesty to rest assured that they shall alwayes be tender of your Honour and reputation with your good Subjects and for this cause have made this true Declaration of the full state of this matter that they may thinke no otherwise of it then the truth and in all things shall labour to establish a good understanding and confidence betwixt your Majesty and your people which they heartily desire and pray for as the chiefest means of preserving the Honour safety and prosperity of your Majesty and your Kingdom His Majesties Answer to a Message sent to Him by the House of Commons concerning Licences granted by Him to persons to goe into IRELAND HIs Majesty hath seen and considered the Message presented to him by the Lord Compton and Mr. Baynton the 19. of March 1641. at York Touching such persons as have been licenced by his Majesty to passe into Ireland Though he will not insist upon what little reason they had to suspect that some il-affected persons had passed into Ireland under colour of his Majesties Licence Inferences being slender proofs to ground beliefe upon yet hee must needs avow that for any thing that is yet Declared He cannot see any ground why Mr. Pym should so boldly affirme before both Houses of Parliament That since the stop upon the Ports by both Houses against all Irish Papists many of the chiefe Commanders now in the head of the Rebells have been suffered to passe by His Majesties immediate Warrant For as yet there is not any particular person named that is now so much as in Rebellion much lesse in the Head of the Rebells to whom His Majesty hath given Licence And therefore according to his Majesties Reply upon that Subject His Majesty expects That his House of Commons publish such a Declaration whereby this mistaking may be cleared That so all the VVorld may see his Majesties Caution in giving of Passes and likewise that his Ministers have not abused His Majesties Trust by any surreptitious VVarrants And lastly His Majesty expects That henceforth there be more Warinesse used before such publike Aspersions be laid unlesse the Grounds bee before-hand better warranted by sufficient Proofes FINIS