Selected quad for the lemma: cause_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
cause_n	body_n	life_n	soul_n	5,160	5	5.5664	4	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A15418	Limbo-mastix: that is, A canuise of Limbus Patrum shewing by euident places of Scripture, inuincible reasons, and pregnant testimonies of some ancient writers, that Christ descended not in soule to Hell, to deliuer the Fathers from thence. Containing also a briefe replie to so much of a pamphlet lately published, intituled, An answere to certaine obiections against the descension &c. as lookes that way, and is personally directed against some writers of our Church.	Willet, Andrew, 1562-1621.	1604 (1604)	STC 25692; ESTC S120030	49,797	70

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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o this_o text_n be_v cite_v out_o of_o the_o old_a testament_n must_v be_v understand_v according_a to_o the_o phrase_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n otherwise_o who_o know_v not_o but_o that_o some_o word_n borrow_v out_o of_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v in_o the_o new_a use_v in_o another_o sense_n than_o in_o the_o old_a as_o the_o word_n gehenna_n be_v take_v in_o the_o new_a to_o signify_v hell_n mat._n 5._o 22._o which_o in_o the_o old_a be_v call_v the_o valley_n of_o the_o son_n of_o hinnon_n jere._n 7._o 31._o where_o they_o torment_v their_o son_n when_o they_o offer_v they_o up_o in_o sacrifice_n to_o their_o idol_n whence_o they_o apply_v the_o name_n to_o

faith_n article_n of_o christ_n descension_n be_v expound_v according_a to_o the_o scripture_n and_o analogy_n of_o faith_n yet_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o ancient_a church_n do_v not_o hold_v any_o such_o descension_n of_o christ_n soul_n to_o limbus_n patram_n as_o a_o article_n of_o the_o faith_n and_o therefore_o concern_v this_o matter_n we_o may_v say_v with_o leo_n what_o reason_n have_v 3._o they_o to_o bring_v in_o new_a thing_n that_o our_o elder_n never_o know_v argum._n 4._o that_o which_o christ_n perform_v upon_o the_o cross_n he_o need_v not_o afterward_o to_o go_v down_o to_o hell_n to_o perform_v but_o he_o triumph_v over_o death_n hell_n and_o the_o devil_n upon_o the_o cross_n and_o there_o wrought_v our_o deliverance_n ergo_fw-la he_o need_v not_o for_o these_o cause_n descend_v to_o hell_n the_o assumption_n or_o second_o part_n be_v prove_v by_o the_o scripture_n coloss._n 2._o 14._o 15._o he_o have_v blot_v out_o the_o hand-writing_n of_o ordinance_n which_o be_v against_o we_o and_o fasten_v they_o to_o the_o cross_n etc._n etc._n and_o have_v spoil_v principality_n and_o power_n have_v make_v a_o show_n of_o they_o open_o triumph_v over_o they_o in_o the_o same_o so_o read_v and_o expound_v origen_n this_o place_n of_o christ_n triumph_n upon_o the_o cross_n upon_o these_o word_n numb_a 24._o 9_o he_o couch_v as_o a_o young_a lion_n he_o lay_v down_o like_o a_o lion_n when_o hang_v numer_n upon_o the_o cross_n he_o put_v down_o principality_n and_o power_n and_o triumph_v over_o they_o in_o the_o tree_n of_o his_o cross_n augustine_n also_o show_v that_o our_o deliverance_n be_v full_o wrought_v upon_o the_o cross_n and_o the_o devil_n vanquish_v serm_n 174._o trophaeo_fw-la svo_fw-la diabolus_fw-la victus_fw-la est_fw-la seducendo_fw-la primum_fw-la hominem_fw-la occidit_fw-la occidendo_fw-la novissimum_fw-la primum_fw-la de_fw-la laqueis_fw-la perdidit_fw-la exultavit_fw-la diabolus_fw-la quando_fw-la mortuus_fw-la est_fw-la christus_fw-la &_o ipse_fw-la morte_fw-la christi_fw-la victus_fw-la est_fw-la tanquam_fw-la in_o muscipula_fw-la escam_fw-la accepit_fw-la muscipula_fw-la diaboli_fw-la crux_fw-la domini_fw-la esca_fw-la qua_fw-la caperetur_fw-la mors_fw-la domini_fw-la the_o devil_n be_v overcome_v by_o his_o own_o device_n he_o by_o seduce_v slay_v the_o first_o adam_n by_o slay_v the_o last_o adam_n the_o first_o escape_v out_o of_o the_o snare_n the_o devil_n rejoice_v when_o christ_n be_v dead_a but_o by_o his_o death_n he_o be_v overcome_v he_o take_v his_o bait_n as_o in_o a_o trap_n the_o cross_n be_v the_o trap_n the_o bait_n that_o catch_v the_o devil_n be_v our_o lord_n death_n durand_n a_o popish_a champion_n urge_v this_o very_a argument_n against_o christ_n descension_n because_o in_o the_o very_a instant_n of_o christ_n death_n the_o soul_n of_o the_o faithful_a be_v deliver_v and_o make_v happy_a and_o therefore_o christ_n need_v not_o to_o descend_v for_o any_o such_o cause_n bellarmine_n be_v drive_v here_o to_o this_o shift_n to_o grant_v that_o although_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n 15._o soul_n be_v not_o necessary_a in_o hell_n yet_o it_o be_v of_o congruity_n it_o shall_v be_v there_o present_a if_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n soul_n in_o hell_n be_v not_o of_o necessity_n how_o have_v they_o all_o this_o while_n urge_v it_o as_o a_o article_n of_o the_o faith_n for_o every_o article_n of_o the_o faith_n be_v to_o be_v hold_v as_o necessary_a argum._n 5._o as_o the_o saint_n die_v commend_v their_o spirit_n unto_o god_n so_o do_v christ_n commend_v his_o spirit_n luk._n 23._o 46._o use_v the_o prophet_n david_n word_n psal._n 31._o 4._o he_o keep_v also_o his_o sense_n but_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o faithful_a commend_v into_o god_n hand_n do_v present_o go_v to_o heaven_n as_o stephen_n say_v lord_n jesus_n receive_v my_o spirit_n act._n 7._o 59_o can_v this_o be_v call_v a_o commend_v of_o the_o spirit_n into_o the_o hand_n of_o god_n to_o go_v down_o to_o hell_n and_o to_o remain_v among_o the_o infernal_a spirit_n again_o if_o they_o that_o die_v in_o the_o lord_n do_v after_o death_n rest_n from_o their_o labour_n revel_v 13._o 14._o much_o more_o the_o lord_n himself_o rest_v from_o his_o labour_n after_o his_o death_n but_o if_o he_o have_v hell_n to_o conquer_v and_o the_o patriarch_n to_o deliver_v after_o his_o death_n a_o great_a part_n of_o his_o labour_n remain_v what_o then_o be_v become_v of_o that_o consummatum_fw-la est_fw-la all_o be_v finish_v upon_o the_o cross_n joh._n 19_o 30._o that_o be_v whatsoever_o appertain_v to_o christ_n suffering_n travail_n and_o labour_n be_v now_o accomplish_v his_o glory_n victory_n and_o triumph_n only_o remain_v augustine_n hereunto_o give_v some_o light_n thus_o apply_v these_o word_n of_o christ_n my_o soul_n be_v heavy_a unto_o death_n tristis_fw-la usque_fw-la ad_fw-la mortem_fw-la propter_fw-la affectum_fw-la susceptae_fw-la carnis_fw-la non_fw-la post_fw-la mortem_fw-la cum_fw-la beatitudinem_fw-la spondet_fw-la societas_fw-la deitatis_fw-la non_fw-la initium_fw-la maeroris_fw-la mors_fw-la ista_fw-la sed_fw-la finis_fw-la cont._n felician_n c._n 15._o heavy_a unto_o death_n because_o of_o the_o affection_n and_o infirmity_n of_o the_o flesh_n not_o after_o death_n when_o blessedness_n be_v promise_v by_o the_o society_n of_o the_o godhead_n this_o death_n be_v not_o the_o beginning_n of_o sorrow_n and_o travail_n but_o the_o end_n argum._n 6._o christ_n soul_n go_v immediate_o unto_o heaven_n after_o the_o departure_n from_o his_o body_n ergo_fw-la it_o do_v not_o descend_v to_o hell_n the_o first_o part_n be_v prove_v by_o the_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n luk._n 23._o 43._o utter_v to_o the_o convict_v thief_n this_o day_n shall_v thou_o be_v with_o i_o in_o paradise_n which_o word_n paradise_n must_v be_v understand_v of_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n in_o heaven_n not_o in_o respect_n of_o his_o godhead_n only_o but_o of_o his_o whole_a person_n as_o he_o be_v the_o mediator_n and_o that_o he_o direct_o speak_v of_o the_o presence_n of_o his_o soul_n in_o paradise_n it_o may_v evident_o appear_v by_o these_o reason_n 1._o christ_n answer_v the_o thief_n according_a to_o his_o request_n but_o he_o desire_v to_o be_v remember_v when_o he_o as_o the_o messiah_n shall_v enter_v into_o his_o kingdom_n lord_n remember_v i_o when_o thou_o come_v into_o thy_o kingdom_n but_o christ_n as_o god_n be_v never_o out_o of_o his_o kingdom_n 2._o the_o phrase_n of_o speech_n give_v this_o sense_n christ_n be_v say_v to_o be_v with_o we_o in_o respect_n of_o his_o godhead_n mat._n 28._o 20._o i_o be_o with_o you_o to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n but_o we_o be_v say_v to_o be_v with_o he_o as_o our_o messiah_n as_o s._n paul_n say_v i_o desire_v to_o be_v dissolve_v and_o to_o be_v with_o christ_n philip._n 1._o 23._o bernard_n note_v this_o distinction_n well_o christ_n u_fw-mi nobiscum_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n 91._o christ_n be_v with_o we_o at_o all_o time_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n but_o when_o shall_v we_o be_v with_o he_o when_o we_o shall_v be_v take_v up_o and_o meet_v christ_n in_o the_o air_n 3._o that_o kingdom_n whereof_o christ_n promise_v to_o make_v the_o thief_n partaker_n be_v not_o that_o kingdom_n which_o belong_v to_o he_o as_o god_n for_o that_o be_v not_o communicable_a to_o any_o creature_n but_o which_o be_v due_a to_o he_o as_o the_o messiah_n the_o thief_n reign_v the_o same_o day_n with_o christ_n in_o paradise_n as_o bernard_n say_v that_o which_o be_v promise_v be_v do_v the_o same_o day_n he_o suffer_v together_o with_o christ_n he_o 5._o also_o reign_v together_o with_o he_o therefore_o it_o be_v a_o erroneous_a speech_n of_o the_o answerer_n the_o performance_n of_o that_o promise_a presence_n with_o he_o in_o paradise_n be_v nothing_o else_o but_o the_o blissful_a fruition_n of_o his_o godhead_n pag._n 19_o contrary_a to_o the_o apostle_n who_o never_o man_n see_v neither_o can_v see_v 1._o tim._n 6._o 16._o the_o godhead_n be_v incomprehensible_a how_o then_o can_v there_o be_v a_o full_a fruition_n whereof_o there_o can_v be_v no_o comprehension_n 4._o i_o urge_v augustine_n reason_n who_o propound_v this_o objection_n deitatis_fw-la hanc_fw-la non_fw-la animae_fw-la christi_fw-la vocem_fw-la credimus_fw-la we_o think_v that_o christ_n speak_v thus_o to_o the_o thief_n of_o his_o godhead_n not_o of_o his_o soul_n make_v this_o answer_n anima_fw-la est_fw-la cui_fw-la hoc_fw-la promisit_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o christ_n promise_v this_o to_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o thief_n then_o he_o thus_o infer_v if_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o thief_n straight_o after_o the_o death_n of_o body_n 15._o be_v call_v into_o paradise_n shall_v we_o think_v any_o to_o be_v so_o impious_a that_o dare_v say_v that_o the_o soul_n of_o our_o saviour_n be_v three_o day_n keep_v in_o hell_n by_o his_o bodily_a death_n he_o reason_v from_o the_o less_o to_o the_o

be_v as_o much_o to_o say_v he_o ascend_v in_o descend_v but_o this_o be_v absurd_a as_o origen_n note_v genes_n if_o we_o diligent_o consider_v we_o shall_v find_v that_o never_o any_o be_v say_v to_o descend_v into_o a_o holy_a place_n or_o ascend_v to_o a_o unnoble_a place_n christ_n then_o do_v not_o begin_v to_o be_v exalt_v while_o he_o be_v descend_v but_o the_o death_n and_o passion_n of_o christ_n and_o suffer_v upon_o the_o cross_n and_o so_o consequent_o his_o grave_n be_v the_o low_a point_n of_o his_o humiliation_n philip._n 2._o 8._o he_o humble_v himself_o and_o become_v obedient_a unto_o the_o death_n even_o the_o death_n of_o the_o cross_n ergo_fw-la christ_n descend_v no_o further_o then_o to_o the_o cross_n and_o his_o grave_n argum._n 4._o christ_n ascend_v from_o that_o place_n whether_o he_o descend_v but_o he_o ascend_v not_o in_o soul_n from_o hell_n ergo_fw-la he_o thither_o descend_v not_o the_o proposition_n be_v ground_v upon_o the_o apostle_n word_n now_o in_o that_o he_o ascend_v what_o be_v it_o but_o he_o descend_v first_o vers_n 9_o the_o assumption_n be_v thus_o prove_v of_o the_o nativity_n life_n death_n resurrection_n ascension_n and_o all_o other_o action_n perform_v by_o our_o saviour_n the_o apostle_n be_v witness_n act._n 4._o 20._o we_o can_v but_o speak_v the_o thing_n which_o we_o have_v see_v and_o hear_v 1._o john_n 1._o 1._o that_o which_o we_o have_v hear_v see_v with_o our_o eye_n and_o our_o hand_n have_v handle_v of_o the_o word_n of_o life_n declare_v we_o unto_o you_o but_o the_o apostle_n neither_o see_v nor_o hear_v of_o christ_n ascend_v out_o of_o hell_n but_o only_o from_o the_o earth_n act_v 1._o 9_o while_n they_o behold_v he_o be_v take_v up_o ergo_fw-la etc._n etc._n argum._n 5._o to_o descend_v into_o the_o deep_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o to_o descend_v into_o the_o low_a part_n of_o the_o earth_n with_o s._n paul_n speak_v of_o christ_n be_v all_o one_o this_o be_v grant_v ans._n p._n 12._o out_o of_o luke_n 8._o 31._o but_o to_o descend_v into_o the_o deep_a be_v nothing_o else_o but_o to_o be_v among_o the_o dead_a which_o be_v in_o the_o grave_n and_o not_o in_o hell_n rom._n 10._o 7._o who_o shall_v descend_v into_o the_o deep_a that_o be_v to_o fetch_v christ_n again_o from_o the_o dead_a thus_o origen_n expound_v this_o place_n if_o any_o man_n in_o mind_n roman_n and_o thought_n descend_v into_o the_o deep_a think_v christ_n there_o only_o to_o be_v contain_v as_o though_o it_o be_v all_o one_o and_o a_o like_a to_o call_v he_o from_o the_o dead_a &c_n &c_n he_o say_v that_o it_o be_v a_o like_a phrase_n to_o descend_v into_o the_o deep_a and_o to_o fetch_v christ_n from_o the_o dead_a ergo_fw-la christ_n local_a descension_n be_v but_o to_o the_o grave_n argum._n 6._o how_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o low_a part_n of_o the_o earth_n and_o in_o what_o sense_n it_o be_v to_o be_v take_v that_o place_n show_v psalm_n 139._o 13._o thou_o have_v fashion_v i_o in_o the_o low_a part_n of_o the_o earth_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o septuagint_n read_v in_o the_o superlative_a but_o here_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o comparative_a if_o the_o low_a part_n of_o the_o earth_n do_v not_o signify_v hell_n the_o low_a shall_v much_o less_o object_n to_o use_v the_o comparative_a for_o the_o superlative_a be_v a_o phrase_n and_o form_n of_o speech_n very_o usual_a among_o the_o grecian_n so_o that_o here_o it_o may_v very_o well_o be_v take_v for_o the_o superlative_a to_o signify_v the_o low_a part_n ans._n p._n 51._o ans._n 1._o we_o do_v not_o much_o stand_n upon_o this_o point_n for_o the_o syrian_a and_o latin_a translator_n do_v read_v here_o ad_fw-la inferiora_fw-la to_o the_o low_a or_o inferior_a part_n beza_n ad_fw-la infimas_fw-la part_n to_o the_o low_a part_n for_o whether_o we_o read_v low_a or_o low_a the_o sense_n be_v the_o same_o for_o the_o earth_n compare_v with_o other_o part_n of_o the_o world_n may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v the_o low_a or_o low_a part_n 2._o yet_o who_o can_v be_v ignorant_a but_o that_o where_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o sense_n urge_v not_o to_o expound_v the_o superlative_a by_o the_o comparative_a as_o it_o do_v in_o all_o these_o place_n by_o the_o answerer_n allege_v matth._n 11._o 11._o and_o 23._o 11._o mark_n 4._o 31._o 32._o and_o in_o the_o rest_n yet_o where_o the_o sense_n so_o urge_v not_o as_o in_o this_o place_n it_o do_v not_o and_o especial_o where_o the_o common_a dialect_n be_v use_v as_o in_o scripture_n most_o a_o end_n the_o comparative_a degree_n be_v to_o be_v translate_v proper_o by_o itself_o and_o whereas_o the_o answerer_n find_v not_o fault_n with_o the_o latin_a translator_n for_o expound_v the_o superlative_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o greek_a psal._n 139._o 13._o by_o the_o latin_a comparative_a inferiora_fw-la low_o how_o much_o fit_a be_v it_o to_o translate_v the_o comparative_a by_o the_o comparative_a as_o the_o latin_a text_n do_v here_o argum._n 7._o i_o will_v now_o last_o adjoine_v the_o exposition_n of_o some_o of_o the_o father_n origen_n say_v paulus_n quoniam_fw-la descensionis_fw-la christi_fw-la mysterium_fw-la praedicat_fw-la profundum_fw-la nominavit_fw-la quasi_fw-la de_fw-la superioribus_fw-la ad_fw-la inferiora_fw-la venientis_fw-la homil_n 2._o in_o genes_n paul_n because_o he_o preach_v the_o mystery_n of_o christ_n descension_n into_o hell_n he_o name_v the_o deep_a as_o of_o one_o come_v from_o the_o high_a to_o the_o low_a part_n and_o again_o the_o same_o origen_n thus_o write_v descendere_fw-la deus_fw-la dicitur_fw-la quando_fw-la curam_fw-la humanae_fw-la fragilitatis_fw-la habere_fw-la dignatur_fw-la quod_fw-la specialiùs_fw-la de_fw-la domino_fw-la &_o saeluatore_fw-la nostro_fw-la sentiendum_fw-la est_fw-la descendit_fw-la ergo_fw-la neque_fw-la enim_fw-la alius_fw-la ascendit_fw-la quam_fw-la qui_fw-la descendit_fw-la descendit_fw-la ergo_fw-la dominus_fw-la non_fw-la solum_fw-la curare_fw-la sed_fw-la &_o portare_fw-la quae_fw-la nostra_fw-la sunt_fw-la hom._n 4._o in_o genes_n god_n be_v say_v to_o descend_v when_o he_o vouchsase_v to_o take_v care_n of_o humane_a frailty_n which_o more_o special_o be_v to_o be_v think_v of_o our_o lord_n and_o saviour_n he_o descend_v therefore_o for_o none_o other_o ascend_v but_o he_o that_o descend_v the_o lord_n therefore_o descend_v not_o only_o to_o care_n for_o but_o to_o carry_v our_o nature_n augustine_n also_o thus_o witness_v est_fw-la quaedam_fw-la coelestibus_fw-la habitatio_fw-la angelorum_fw-la illae_fw-la pars_fw-la rerum_fw-la superna_fw-la est_fw-la haec_fw-la terrena_fw-la vita_fw-la ubi_fw-la caro_fw-la &_o sanguis_fw-la si_fw-la illi_fw-la comparatur_fw-la inferna_fw-la est_fw-la cum_fw-la enim_fw-la &_o his_fw-la sunt_fw-la mortui_fw-la ne_fw-la mireris_fw-la si_fw-la infernum_fw-la dicitur_fw-la in_o psalm_n 85._o there_o be_v a_o certain_a heavenly_a habitation_n of_o angel_n that_o be_v the_o high_a part_n of_o thing_n this_o earthly_a life_n where_o flesh_n and_o blood_n be_v if_o it_o be_v compare_v to_o that_o be_v the_o low_a part_n for_o see_v there_o be_v dead_a here_o marvel_v not_o if_o it_o be_v call_v hell_n although_o augustine_n in_o the_o word_n follow_v seem_v to_o incline_v to_o the_o opinion_n of_o christ_n descension_n to_o deliver_v the_o patriarch_n think_v notwithstanding_o that_o abraham_n be_v not_o in_o hell_n yet_o in_o this_o sentence_n he_o show_v this_o to_o be_v no_o strange_a sense_n to_o expound_v the_o earth_n in_o respect_n of_o heaven_n to_o be_v the_o low_a part_n theodoret_n upon_o this_o text_n thus_o write_v his_o descend_v do_v not_o signify_v any_o pass_n from_o place_n to_o place_n but_o teach_v the_o greatness_n of_o his_o dispensation_n that_o when_o he_o be_v most_o high_a he_o abase_v himself_o so_o much_o and_o endure_v so_o great_a abasement_n he_o interprete_v as_o we_o do_v of_o christ_n humiliation_n and_o abasement_n here_o in_o earth_n bernard_n opinion_n we_o have_v see_v before_o that_o he_o make_v three_o degree_n of_o christ_n descension_n ad_fw-la carnem_fw-la ad_fw-la crucem_fw-la ad_fw-la mortem_fw-la to_o the_o flesh_n to_o the_o cross_n to_o death_n 18._o and_o the_o graus_fw-la now_o whereas_o diverse_a father_n be_v produce_v as_o irenaeus_n athanasius_n ciprianus_fw-la epiphanius_n hierom_n augustine_n ambrose_n chrysostome_n with_o other_o as_o witness_n of_o christ_n descension_n in_o soul_n to_o hell_n p._n 56_o first_o all_o these_o be_v allege_v by_o bellarmine_n with_o twenty_o more_o to_o prove_v that_o christ_n descend_v into_o hell_n in_o soul_n to_o deliver_v the_o 4._o patriarch_n from_o thence_o wherefore_o unless_o he_o therein_o concur_v with_o they_o they_o be_v no_o fit_a witness_n to_o speak_v in_o his_o cause_n second_o neither_o do_v all_o the_o father_n agree_v in_o judgement_n that_o christ_n descend_v into_o hell_n to_o redeem_v the_o soul_n of_o the_o father_n origen_n