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A02483 An ansvvere to a treatise vvritten by Dr. Carier, by way of a letter to his Maiestie vvherein he layeth downe sundry politike considerations; by which hee pretendeth himselfe was moued, and endeuoureth to moue others to be reconciled to the Church of Rome, and imbrace that religion, which he calleth catholike. By George Hakewil, Doctour of Diuinity, and chapleine to the Prince his Highnesse. Hakewill, George, 1578-1649.; Carier, Benjamin, 1566-1614. Treatise written by Mr. Doctour Carier.; Carier, Benjamin, 1566-1614. Copy of a letter, written by M. Doctor Carier beyond seas, to some particular friends in England. 1616 (1616) STC 12610; ESTC S103612 283,628 378

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heauen and surely mine opinion is God forgiue me if I thinke amisse that a great part of those who professe his naturall body to be here doubt much of his being there And for the grace of his humanitie as you call it thus much no Christian man will denie that when Christ sanctified his owne flesh giuing as God and taking as man the holy Ghost he did not this for himselfe onely but for our sakes that the grace of sanctification and life which was first receiued in him might passe from him to his whole race as malediction came from Adam vnto all mankinde That which quickeneth vs is the spirit of the second Adam and his flesh that wherewith hee quickneth our corruptible bodies could neuer liue the life they shall liue were it not that here they are ioyned with his body which is incorruptible and that his is in ours as a cause of immortality and as little doubt there is but that this vitall and sauing grace which flowes from the humanitie of Christ is imparted vnto vs by meanes of the Sacraments they being sensible instruments for the conueying of those blessings to our soules which are in themselues incomprehensible And for that Sacrament which is most properly said to impart life vnto the receauer as the other doth food and sustenance it is acknowledged by those very men who are otherwise most bitter and vncharitable towards vs that children baptized with vs are thereby made capable of eternall saluation as far forth as if they had receiued that Sacrament in that Church after that forme which they cal Catholike cōsequently you are inforced out of the strēgth of your own principles to grant howbeit out of malice you labour to denie it that the grace of Christs humanity is not onely present with vs in corners and prisons among your complices but in our publique congregations in a more speciall manner then by the power of his dietie by which he is as wel present among the diuels in hell as among the Pope Cardinals assembled in consistory for the subuersion of states and ruine of kingdoms yet to affirme that he is none otherwise present in that Church except in corners and prisons and places of persecution but onely by the power of his dietie and not at all by the grace of his humanity I will neither be so vnaduised as to deliuer nor so vncharitable as to conceiue howbeit I haue good reason both to conceiue and to deliuer thus much that the honour which you pretend you doe him in your will-worship cannot but redound to his great dishonour nay our assurance is that being successours of his Apostles and Disciples in doctrine as you are of the Pharises in traditions the promise of his presence to the worlds end as well by the sanctification as the direction of his holy Spirit is rather made to vs then you B. C. 8. And for his mysticall body which is his Church and Kingdome there can bee no greater dishonour done to Christ then to maintaine Schisme and discention therein What would your Maiestie thinke of any subiects of yours that should goe about to raise ciuill dissention or warres in your Kingdome and of those that should foster and adhere vnto such men It is the fashion of all rebels when they are in armes to pretend the safety of the king and the good of the countrey but pretend what they will you cannot account such men any better then traitours and shall we beleeue that our blessed Sauiour the King of kings doth sit in heauen and either not see the practises of those that vnder colour of seruing him by reformation doe nothing els but serue their owne turnes and distract his Church that is his kingdome on earth by sedition or shall wee thinke that hee will not in time reuenge this wrong verely hee seeth it and doth regard it and will in time reuenge it G. H. 8. Wee as willingly grant as you are ready to prooue that a great dishonour is done to Christ by maintaining Schisme and dissention in his Church which ought to bee without seame as his coat But we demand who were the authours of this Schisme they which departed not frō the Church it selfe but from the corruptions thereof or they who stiffely maintaining those corruptions inforced this departure when Iacob was driuen to depart from Laban by his ill vsage was the breach in Iacob or in Laban when God commaundeth his people to goe out of Babylon lest they should partake of her sinnes and plagues doeth the going out of the people make a Schisme or the sinnes of Babylon It is true that wee haue forsaken that society which wee held with Rome but no farther then Rome it sel●●●ath forsaken Christ and howsoeuer shee pretend the hon●●● of Christ as rebels doe the name of the King and State yet in trueth she is Antichristian in persecuting the members of Christ and as in many other things so chiefly in challenging that vniuersality of power and infallibility of iudgement to her selfe which is onely due to our Sauiour And shall we thinke that he will not in time reuenge this wrong It cannot be but that her sinnes are come vp to heauen and God hath remembred her iniquities and in due time that command will take place Reward her as she hath rewarded you and giue her double according to her workes and in the cup that shee hath filled to you fill her the double in so much as she glorified her selfe and liued in pleasure so much giue ye to her of torment and sorrow for shee saith in her heart I sit being a Queene and am no widow and shall see no mourning Therefore shall her plagues come at one day death and sorrow and famine and shee shall bee burnt with fire for strong is the Lord God which will condemne her And thus our assurance is that your threats shall returne vpon your selues verily hee seeth it and doth regard and will in time reuenge it B. C. 9. But I hope and pray that hee will not reuenge it vpon you nor yours but rather that he will shew that your desire to honour him is accepted of him and therefore will mooue you to honour your selfe and your posterity with bestowing the same your fauour vpon his Church in the vnity thereof which you doe now bestow in the Schisme and that hee will reward both you and yours for the same according to his promise not onely with euerlasting glory in heauen but also with long continued temporall honour and security in this world and this is the first reason of my hope grounded vpon the promise of God G. H. 9. You are herein somewhat more manerly in words though litle lesse malicious in heart then Dr. Bishop a bird of the same feather who in an Epistle directed in like manner to his MAIESTIE as yours is spares not to speake out but tels him plainely when they see no hope of remedie the
a Christians for whom he did predestinate them also hee called and whom hee called them also hee iustified and whom hee iustified them also hee glorified since then hee neither calls nor iustifies Turkes wee are sure they cannot be of the company of the predestinate But his Maiestie himselfe I now remember well concluded this point at the conference at Hampton Court and therefore wee neede not feare his being deceiued in iudgement his determination is that wee should iudge of our Predestination not so much descendendo by prying into Gods secret counsell as ascendendo by searching our owne hearts the sincerity of our owne hearts being as it were the counterpane of Gods eternall decree locked vp in the Cabinet of his counsell and therefore the Apostle in the 2. to Tim. and the 2. ioynes them both together The foundation of God saith hee remaineth sure and hath this seale The Lord knoweth who are his there is the Instrument sealed on Gods part the Counterpane on ours instantly followes and let euery one that calleth on the Name of CHRIST depart from iniquitie So that the way to assure our selues that wee are in the number of those that are sealed to life is to call on the name of CHRIST in our profession and depart from iniquitie in our conuersation the one is required in our life and the other in our beliefe Neither is the faith of such beleeuers an opinion or fancie but the ground of things which are hoped for and the euidence of things which are not seene and a shield to quench all such fiery and venemous dartes nor is their hope a presumption but a sure anchor against despaire nor their charitie lust but the loue of their neighbours as of themselues nor their God an idole but that Lord who hath reuealed himselfe vnto vs in his word whereas on the other side we may iustly say that the Popes Ecclesia malignantium may more easily serue a Turke her Religion being rebellion her practice murthering of soules and bodies as it acknowledged in the publike prayers of our Church her faith beeing but wauering and full of irresolution her hope a balancing and estimation of her owne merit her charity an ostentation of workes no God so powerfull with her and beneficiall vnto her as the Pope and the Masse We know that all religions begin their Creed with I beleeue in God but none haue lesse reason then they who beleeue in him in generall without particular application and for S. Augustines testimonies that to an heretike the entertainement and imbracing of his fantasies is his religion I demand which is more likely to build his religion on fantasie● either he who depends meerely on the written word of God or hee that equals his owne inuentions thereunto B. C. 47. I haue more things to write but the haste of answering your Maiesties commandement signified to me by S ir Thomas Lake his letters haue made mee commit many faults in writing this very suddenly for which I craue pardon and cut of the rest but for my returning into England I can answere none otherwise but thus I haue sent you my soule in this treatise and if it may finde entertainement and passage my body shall quickely follow after and if not I pray God I send my soule to heauen and my body to the graue as soone as may be In the meane time I will reioyce in nothing but onely in the Crosse of CHRIST which is the glory of your Crowne and therefore I will triumph therein not as being gone from you to your aduersary but as being gone before you to your Mother where I desire and hope for euer to continue Your MAIESTIES True seruant and Beadesman Beniamin Carier G. H. 47. S. Iohn concludes his Epistle to Gaius I haue many things to write and Mr. Doctor his to his Maiestie I haue more things to write but S. Iohn trusts to come shortly after and speake with him mouth to mouth but Mr. Doctour will not promise that except he be first assured his Letter may finde entertainment which as I heare was very slender and no marueile then he hasted not after S. Iohn craued not pardon for his faults which we make the marke of an Apocryphal writer but M. Doctor doth and that very deseruedly in as much as he chose rather with Albinus to craue pardon for his faults committed then not to commit them and whereas he imputes his faults to his sudden writing in imitation belike of Campian therein he addes another fault to his former in as much as a great part of this was written long before his Maiesties command came to his hands partly in a Latine Epistle to Mr. Casaubon and partly in an English letter to an honourable person in Court and yet for any great matter is in it in my iudgment it needed no long deliberation as it was suddenly written if it were so so may it somewhat mooue a man of a suddaine apprehension but surely the grauer and wiser sort I thinke it will little affect Lastly for your returne into England you can make none other answere you say then this that you haue sent your soule in this treatise and if it may finde passage your body shall follow after while you were here your body was with vs but your soule with them for anima est non vbi animat sed vbi amat and your selfe in your Common place booke maintaine that a man may liue among heretikes or Schismatikes not yeelding outward obedience to the Church and yet liue in the State of grace if his soule be vnited to the Church in the vnderstanding by faith and by charity in the will conditionally he withhold himselfe from such outward obedience not for priuate respects but for the publike aduantage of the Church As your soule then was with them when your body was with vs so your body being with them your soule was then busie working here with vs but for their purposes and sure except you altered your opinions set downe in this treatise and I haue cause to feare you entertained worse dying among the Iesuits better you should stay there both in body and soule or send your soule out of your body and your body to the graue as in Gods prouidence you haue done then to returne to infect that Countrey and Church in which you were borne and bred and baptized which as you professed in your last Sermon before his Maiesty and in writings which I haue to shew vnder your owne hand might iustly contend with any Church in the world for purity of doctrine But it seemes you had forgotten being but a nouice in that doctrine you were to passe by Purgatory before you came to heauen except you supposed the Spaw waters had sufficiently purged you or else you presumed farre vpon the merit of your profound demonstrations as if thereby you needed not De profundis to be sung nor Masse to be