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this_o as_o one_o of_o the_o chief_a they_o err_v say_v he_o 43._o possevin_n in_o mosc_n pag._n 43._o in_o say_v the_o most_o excellent_a sacrament_n of_o the_o eucharist_n which_o be_v consecrate_v on_o the_o day_n in_o which_o our_o lord_n make_v his_o last_o supper_n be_v more_o efficacious_a and_o of_o great_a virtue_n than_o that_o which_o be_v consecrate_v on_o other_o day_n anthony_n caucus_n archbishop_n of_o corcyra_n in_o his_o relation_n of_o the_o error_n of_o the_o greek_n to_o pope_n gregory_n the_o xiii_o observe_v likewise_o in_o the_o 14_o article_n that_o they_o hold_v the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o eucharist_n which_o be_v consecrate_v on_o the_o day_n in_o which_o our_o lord_n make_v his_o last_o supper_n have_v a_o great_a virtue_n than_o that_o consecrate_a on_o other_o time_n allatius_n mention_n this_o article_n of_o caucus_n among_o other_o which_o he_o censure_v as_o calumny_n but_o although_o he_o be_v very_o earnest_a to_o refute_v this_o archbishop_n and_o treat_v he_o as_o unworthy_o as_o may_v be_v without_o any_o respect_n to_o his_o dignity_n even_o to_o the_o call_n of_o he_o os_fw-la durum_fw-la &_o stygium_fw-la non_fw-la nisi_fw-la mentiri_fw-la gnarum_fw-la yet_o have_v not_o he_o 17._o allat_n de_fw-fr perpet_n con_fw-la lib._n 3._o cap._n 17._o dare_v to_o touch_v on_o this_o article_n in_o particular_a and_o his_o outrage_n only_o confirm_v in_o this_o regard_n the_o authority_n of_o caucus_n and_o the_o truth_n of_o his_o relation_n alphonsus_n de_fw-fr castro_n attribute_n this_o same_o opinion_n to_o the_o greek_n 9_o alphonsus_n de_fw-fr castro_n adv_fw-la baeres_fw-la lib._n 6._o tit_n de_fw-fr euchar._n haeres_fw-la 9_o he_o allege_v for_o this_o effect_n the_o testimony_n of_o guy_n carmus_fw-la and_o although_o he_o have_v be_v accustom_a not_o to_o spare_v he_o in_o his_o censure_n whensoever_o he_o can_v find_v the_o least_o occasion_n yet_o do_v he_o agree_v with_o he_o in_o this_o particular_a say_v we_o must_v 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