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B12204 An ansvvere to a letter of a Iesuited gentleman, by his cosin, Maister A.C. Concerning the appeale; state, Iesuits Copley, Anthony, 1567-1607?; Champney, Anthony, 1569?-1643?, attributed name. 1601 (1601) STC 5735; ESTC S108680 66,056 126

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Fathers for peace-sake would haue accepted they to shame the Diuell rather then themselues still by the contrarie for to stand vpon Puntoes in sinne especially such a sinne as brings Schisme with it what a shame is it for a religious person in a persecuted church who though it were no wrong at all but right that he hath written yet had he Saint Paules spirit who wished Anathema esse pro fratribus suis he would not sticke to confesse it a fault though none and also satisfie for it as such much more Maister Arch-priest the matter being bad had he the spirit of that good Pope who of an Arrian-Prelate as he was being by the strong hand of the Empresse Eudoxia as I remember exalted to the Sea Apostolicke was no sooner inuested therin but did straight renounce his Arrianisme and decree the Catholicke faith against it had he I say but halfe his spirit he would now in his authenticke authoritie doe both himselfe and his brethren right in this matter against the Iesuits his makers howsoeuer afore time he stoode for them in the wrong But he is all for Gloria patri and as for Filio hee seemes the flat Arriane for which great pittie it is that Fratrum quoque gratia rara est Nay hee that can penne expresse Sermons and vtter them openly in blemish of the partie present being a Gentlewoman of Nobilitie in this land which as she her selfe hath protested was the onely cause of her turning Protestant he also that can by his letter expressely incharge one of his Assistants as he did to calumniate and defame a certaine reuerend Priest by name whom I know he I say that can thus do no maruell if such a Iudge be of counsell to a Libell and a countenance thereunto No maruell also if he be an vnfortunate Father to his ghostly children as to one he was to my knowledge and that I rue who after a long and worshipfull confession of the Catholicke faith in the Towre of London and other prisons in the end fell vnder his hand Lastly no maruell if such a one for want of good neighbours be faine to praise himselfe as lately hee hath done and that in the first place too afore his founder Father Parsons in a certaine tract intituled Pius griefe which by the confused huddle of the Doctors sayings therein and the stile is held to be his But to the Iesuits againe Dico meam culpam being their owne lesson and so boyish a pennance as they vse it me thinkes they should not shame to say it when it comes to their turnes as now through their misdoing it doth much lesse shuld they persist so stiffe-necked in defensione peccati it being a sinne in the highest degree against the holy Ghost But seeing they doe so as chusing rather to shame themselues then the Diuell such is their charitie truly Cosin I doe not see but some lay-cauterie as well as the religious Appeale depending is requisite to be applied to them as aforesaid though better a great deale and more meritorious were voluntarie pennance from the heart then that which so perforce they may haue cause to take to the heart Some shew of grace they haue alreadie made in proffering a parley of peace to the Appealants but it is indeede but grace in shew nor gratia gratis data but a meere seruile grace extorted out of the iust feare they haue of the Appeale which by Braues nor by their great friendes they see they cannot suppresse and also for the high iniurie they haue done to Saint Peters chayre touching the same for which they are like to bee put to such a pennance vpon the issue thereof I feare me as besides to see the Appealants faculties and honours restored vnto their innocence by the Apostolike Pastor which they haue taken away theirs and the Arch-priests vice versa to bee suspended and attainted as Schismaticall c. In which predicament I am perswaded they haue been ipso facto from the first for which cause for my own part I assure yee Cosin I make it a scruple in my conscience to communicate with any of them in Sacraments till they be humbled especially the Iesuits holding it as they do lawfull vti scientia in confessione as much to say as to make vse of mens Confessions As for Maister Blackwell himselfe setting aside the libell which in the libeller was Schisme primariò and principaliter and also in his brother Father Cowbuck for procuring himselfe to be gaoler at Rome to the precursor-messengers thither touching Ecclesiasticall libertie together with his dismissing them in the end from thence vnheard disgraced yea and with expresse prohibition to returne to their countrey and that without exhibition to liue else where setting this aside which was expresse Schisme in them primariò was it not I pray if not Schisme in Maister Blackwell for that he is since a receiued superiour as may be obiected at least schismaticall in him secundariò and as in vse to Schismatickes so farre forth in countenance of that libell to discountenance an Appeale made to his Holinesse concerning the same all Appeale being intrinsecè Agnitio authoritatis in the highest degree to the Appealé and the greatest Plea of Iustice both ciuill and ecclesiasticall that is to discountenance it I say by suspension of the Appealants faculties spirituall and also their temporall reliefe from their friends for the same to interdict so honourable a censure as that of the Vniuersitie of Paris was toward the forwarding of the same Appeale to diswarne the Appealants booke being dedicated to his Holinesse owne eye in the reall nature of an Appeale to be read of the Catholickes of our countrey as schismaticall nay hereticall to slaunder the sacred Sea with a flat lye affirming that hee had receiued a resolution from the mother-Citie against the said censure of Paris toward the backewarding of the said Appeale Briefe to approue the tract of Schisme whether true or false against his Brothers it being to the so great and generall disorder of our church both in the Cleargie and in the laytie especiallie the libelés beseeching him to call in the said treaty so disparageable to their reputation and all the Seminaries together with their shewing themselues corrigible by their offer of disputation whether it were schisme or not and his refusall of each as aforesaid Was not all this I say with a great deale more à primo ad vltimum schismaticall in him as being to the disuniō of an vnited bodie at least Excommunication to him as in preiudice of ecclesiasticall libertie in which nature al Appeale is and sure flat schisme in them viz. the Iesuits both for that cause and also for that by their said libell they on their parts principally procured the said disuniō in Gods church here amongst vs deuiding the members therof one against another Was not al this schisme schismaticall in him or them or both whether the Appealants be Schismaticks or no
knowne in honour of our gentlemens patiences as vvell there as here at home for the Catholicke cause Onlie here and there a skip-lack they haue aduanced to fodder and cloathes scarse competent for being their obsequious Implements in whatsoeuer disloyaltie they vvould employ them against their countrie vvhiles gentlemen of estimable parts they haue misregarded yea discarded for being more loyall In vaine therefore doe the Iesuits perswade vs the king of Spaines honourable vsage of our nation after a conquest who together with them afore the same entreat it so dishonourablie and more then vaine yea accursed vvere vvee to be so caught vvith their pipe as they pretend of grace as to incurre mis-nature Stand vve cosin stand we that are Englands vpon English and let all forraine rule goe by stand vve vpon the expresse Statute of our countrie being Catholicke inhibiting all forraine temporall iurisdiction vvithin the same Stand vve against yea stronglie withstand vve Fa. Cowbucke and his Societies vnnatural practises in Spanish behalfe and vvhatsoeuer forraine nations almightie Armadoes remembring stil that facilius est excludere quàm expellere and also still remembring how if the Catholicke church haue condemned the Albigenses of old and the Caluinists of late in Fraunce the monocular-Taborite Zisca in Bohemia Iohn of Leyden Th. Muncer in Germanie and others els-where as vvell for managing religion by armes as for heretickes how much lesse lawfull it is in the Catholicke king being a child of the church so to doe and hovv verie Zuinglians the Iesuits are that thus preach Christ vnto vs vvith a Bible in one hand and a sword in the other lastlie remembring still the honour and dutie of a Patriot the honours of our forefathers and singularlie the honours of this our deere countrie England I I let euerie cup haue his owne couer and euerie countrie his owne king I vvater were good to drinke with wine quoth a good fellow God himselfe would haue put it into the grape but euerie simple is best And far more Catholicke and farre more naturall it is to hope one day to be beholding to our owne State for Catholicke libertie then to a forraine vvith so desperate conditions and against all religion If we our selues vvithin our selues banisht religion vvhy may not wee our selues within our selues bring it in againe the Protestant novv being no more vnlikely to be auoided then the Catholicke then was I meane if it so please her Maiestie or at least but to tolerate it which as vvell here as in Fraunce and other neighbour-States might vvell stand vvith that in request vvithout hazard yea vvith securitie to her royall person and estate But this is a point meerelie in her Maiesties grace to complie vvithall and to too happy for vs to be easilie expected at her hands considering her Highnesse inurd displeasure vvith the Sea-Apostolicke euen ab incunabulis also since for the Buls aforesaid and novv lastlie and that daylie for the disloyall practises of the Iesuits against her estate vvhich vvee all rue vvithout difference Hard it vvere I say for vs to hope for so happie a day considering also hovv all the three estates of the realme are ingaged in the contrarie and all the lawes of the land stand expresselie opposite and penall hereunto Neuerthelesse it doth mee good to thinke hovv if such a grace might be fall vs but euen tolerablie and in neuer so meane a manner from our own naturall Soueraigne hovv much more gratefullie and gladlier all true Catholickes vvould accept it then at an inuadours hands neuer so indulgentlie Her Maiestie for her owne part doubtles is passing meeke and gratious both in respect of her sex and now her venerable age that had not disloyall practises displeas'd her 't was possible inough that her condescent might haue beene so benigne vnto vs long agoe the rather remembring hovv heartilie her Highnes vvas applauded to her Crovvne at the first by Catholickes and the same set vpon her Royall head not by a Protestant but a Catholicke Bishop Moreouer her Maiestie hath a wise Councell vvhich cannot but see that though for the present time the estates ecclesiasticall and ciuill both of our countrie being so throughly setled as they are it is meete they thinke and easie we know to keepe the Catholicke vnder and supprest yet what hereafter in a chaunge and in a troubled State our partie may work it selfe they may rather perhaps guesse then preuent Sure I am wee are not so ignoble a partie in the land for all the persecution these fortie yeeres but that the vnitie thereof vvith the rest at such a day will perhaps be as requisite for our common-weale as any other The consideration vvherof together with others no lesse important may somewhat preuaile with so prudent a Councell as her Maiesties is if not for a toleration of our rites at least a mitigation of our aggriefes in the meane time and the rather for that sufficit diei malitia sua Howsouer this likelihood wee haue of Catholike religion yet once againe in our countrie by our owne not forraine neither yet warlike but peacefull and euen voluntarie meanes in that both English Saints-seed is plentifullie sowne for it anie time these fortie yeeres and also manie Conuertites come in daylie and out of question infinite more would were it not that Leo est in via viz the penall lawes of the land But what is that to the will of a Prince or vvhat Princes heart is not in the hand of God Who erected all of nothing can he not translate any thing Can he not conuert the instruments of his anger yea malice it selfe to grace and to his honour if hee please It is neither the archers hand nor yet the aime giuers but God alonelie that directs the arrow where to light not but what they doe is their deed neuerthelesse I say thus much cosin by what wee haue seene of late hapned in our countrie in fauour of the Catholicke faith euen by the Protestants hand in suppressing though not in that sense the great Puritan-partie being the greatest enimie to our Holies of all the heresies in this land For which great pittie it was so noble a subiect as the Earle of Essex and with him so manie worthie gentlemen to be made vse of by it in his discontents to the end wee saw Such spirit haue Puritanes so vnfortunate vvas that poore Earle and namelie so vnfortunate those few Catholickes that of ignorance I dare sweare of his proiect stucke to him in those suds Had her Maiesties Catholicke-subiects but a quater the grace that Puritanes haue in this realme yea but her bare conniuence I assure mee their gratitude would not be so pure but pure in deed they being so loyall as they are setting Iesuits aside euen vnder her frowne And as for her Highnesse after so manie triumphes ouer both her couert and ouert enimies fairelie me thinks vvith her royall honour it may stand vvhat euen novv I touched
be so vn-Catholicke or vn-English I protest I had rather neuer eate bit of fish or flesh whiles I liue And such is also my opinion of you knowing you to be a gentleman such as though the Iesuits haue or may seduce your religious nature vnder colour of religion in inferiour matters yet in this so capitall an honour to your name and nation I dare say you will neuer forget your selfe Neither doubt I but wherein they haue hitherro distrayed you in the matter of the Appeale against the Priests my loue whereof you are and may be euer certaine together with these my reasons which you haue read will reclaime you or else truelie cosin you doe your selfe a great deale more wrong then me I haue in my loue to you already exceeded the limits of a letter neuerthelesse to the end that plenariè conuersus confirmes fratres tuos against these Fathers vnchristian and vnnaturall impostures against our church and countrie I will say a little more vnto you of thē in general and also of some of them in especiall whereby you may the better discerne their vndeserts as well of all Christendome as of vs here at home whatsoeuer they say thēselues their deseruings to be in Indie Which forasmuch as wee haue no authenticke credence of eyther from the Sea Apostolicke or otherwise so much as morrall that such their owne reports of their well doings there are true I doe not see but the same are as Gerunds that want Supines wherby their fatherhoods to stand to the readers curtesie to beleeue them especiallie farre traueilers being naturallie vaine-glorious and vaine-glorie very apt to tell a lie A kinsman of mine of good worship in the North whom you know as well as I hath done them the honour not onlie resolutelie to beleeue them himselfe but more to translate their tre-annuarie relations from Iaponia into our English whereby he hath purchast them a good opinion amongst manie his friends to whom he hath imparted the same which zeale certes I cannot greatlie blame in the good old gentleman he doing it in a religiousnes and the matters tending to Catholicke-edification whether they be true or false Neuerthelesse their vanitie I cannot but condemne if they haue written ought other then truth as being such manner of men as partlie you haue alreadie read and now I le shew you more it is not vnlikelie but they haue done though not in most yet in manie things from thence which also the rather wee haue cause to suspect for that diuers other religious Orders doing daylie their Euangelicall endeuours in those east-East-parts as farre forth if not farther then they as we may read in the historie of China and else where yet they report not one word thereof but all of their owne which such their concealing a truth importing so highlie Gods honour to be knowne as anie thing they doe report is sure a priuatiue lie in them and they that will not sticke to lie so it is to be feared they wil as little doubt to tell a positiue a reall vntruth if it be either for their honour or aduantage especiallie hauing as they haue by meanes of the farre distance the pas-port of vncontroule to patronize them And so by their leaues it is to be more then presumed in manie things they haue done so vnlikelie and incongrue are sundrie of their relations And yet in all the Legend of their glorious exploits in Quabucondonoes Island we finde no mention of anie Iesuit that euer offred himselfe slaue to a Chinez for his transport ouer to that continent in zeale to preach Christ there nor yet of 41. Martyrs of them at one clap neither yet of two hundred thousand heathen soules baptized by them in I wot not how short a time all which and a great deale more we reade of Saint Augustines Order in the Phillipines faire afore euer any Iesuit came into the Indies Besides neither is Iaponia or other the countries of Indie where they are such as doe stand at this day in competence or Paragon with Spaine as ours and other Nations here in christendome doe for which the Iesuits should there like as here sow factions for Spanish-State neither is it there amongst those Barbarians that they care to erect their tabernacles as here in Europe whereof they are naturals for which I inferre they may the rather deserue well in Indie then in Europe hauing there nothing to intende quae sua sint but onlie quae dei and the propagation of Christian beleefe as true religious men ought Graunt we therefore saluo all exception to the vnautenticknesse of their relations that they are good Indians please God they were but halfe as good English it followes not therefore that to be true which a certaine wise man here amongst vs in his vnwise treatie asseuers that they are so excellent mē aboue all excellence that in choise of our Ghostlie Father wee are bound if anie of them be in place to goe to them afore any other and that forsooth vpon paine of a deadly sinne Who euer would haue thought a wise man though but nomine tenus could haue beene so verie a dottard as to publish such a tract so absurde as well in sundrie others as in this one point in fuper-exaltation of the Iesuits Oh were the Iesuits men of due modestie how could they endure so grosse a flatterie it being an attribute more then meete to Christs vicar himselfe But they haue a number of such od Pensionarie-spirits throughout all the parts of Christendome to grace them to the people they seeeming to professe their kingdome wholie of this world which Iesus neuer did that oftentimes with ouer-gracing them they disgrace them and so likewise doe the Iesuits themselues in such their singularitie of spirit As for exmple is it not notable singularitie in them to leaue to be called after their Founders name Ignatians or Loyolians which all other orders are but by the high name of Iesus a name which no christian creature was euer yet christned by but in for reuerence sake but by other his Saints and seruants names Also is it not singularitie in them they professing themselues so singular religious and taking vpon them the 3. vowes as farre forth as any other religious men not to rise at midnight to the Quire which all other orders doe Also to goe so distinctlie habited that is to say vncould from all other religious men likewise to fare so far more daintilie in their diet then they And which is most singular of all to put themselues into the Letanies to be praide for by name afore all other orders of the church yea and afore Domnum Apostolicum too whom they haue expresselie left out and in his steed put in these words viz Vt societatem nominis Iesu and then after Et omnes Ecclesiasticos ordines in sancta religione conseruare digneris so mount-Goddardian-high they are in their owne vaine-glory and yet so moulhill-low in