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A09739	Ane answer made the fourth day of Septembre a thousand fyue hundreth syxtie [and] one, by maister Theodore de Besza minister of the holie Euangile, in the presence of the quene mother, the king and quene of Nauarre, the princes of the blood royall, and of the priuie counseil, vnto that whiche the cardinall of Lorraine had replied against that whiche was propounded in the first iourney of their talking together, by the said de Besza in the name of the reformed churches. Together with an other short answer made by the said de Besza the 26 day of the said moneth vnto certein articles of replie set forth by the said cardinall	Bèze, Théodore de, 1519-1605.; Baron, John.	1562 (1562)	STC 2000; ESTC S119255	24,857	90

the same Wherein we haue so followed y e worde of God that euery one as we iudge had occasion to be cōtented with oure answer But in stede to approue that whiche was spoken by vs we haue bene demāded by what power we minister y e word of God and the holie Sacramētes and besydes all that there was no thing spared that might make oure cause more odiouse We can not tell for what purpose this was set forward For first of all we came not hither to minister the worde of God nor the Sacramentes Wherefore there was no nede to ask vs by what authoritie we wold do it If it should be said that it is to cause vs rendre a reason of that whiche we haue done heretofore Ye must consider that oure company is of two maner of people the one serue for ministers without this realme ī places where their vocation is receiued of them it may not be demanded why they be ministers There is others that preache within this realme whome ye haue not called to cause them giue an accompt of that w c is past as touching their vocation but onelie to conferre with their doctrine or els it should be a beginning to make proces against them the whiche thīg Madame we are sure that ye haue not mynded If it be after a sorte to conferre vnder correction there should be therein no great purpose and y t could not serue but to cause vs entre into this matter out of the w c we could not depart without offending and angring my Lordes y e Prelates The whiche we haue not mynded nether will we giue occasion vnto any body to interrupt this holy work that is begonne And that it may be knowen y t we speake not without great cause alweys as two parties mete to entre into conference if the one aske the other by what vertue do you this The other will demande the lyke and so it wilbe very hard but of these reciproque demandes there will arise some dissention Therefore now leauing a part my Lordes the Prelates of this realme whome we will not offend let vs imagin vnto vs a busshop that demandeth of vs by what tytle preache ye and minister ye the Sacramente We will demande of him if he him self was chosen by the ancientes or elders of the Churche vnto the whiche he is appointed to be busshop if he was requyred by the people if there was informatiō before that taken of his lyfe and doctrine he wold say yea But the contrarie is well knowen and we remitte oureselues vnto the conscience of them that heare vs w c knowe how this goeth And if he wold say vnto vs ye are not ministers because ye haue not the imposition of handes we might answer him ye are no minister because that in youre institutiō or ordeinīg were omitted the substanciall pointes and that cōmanded by Gods lawe the whiche may not be dispensed with And if y e disputatiō grew more hote we should go further may vse such wordes ye haue but one of the three pointes requisit in the institution or ordeyning whiche is the imposition of handes if the wanting of that as ye esteme doeth depriue vs that we can not be ministers for want of the other two muche lesse ye shall be ministers then we The Councell of Calcidome whiche is one of the 4 generall Coūcelles ordeyned that that the institution of a priest should be voyde whiche haeth not bene deputed spicially vnto y e seruice of sōe Churche irrita sayeth he in iniuriam ordinantis With more strong reason may we say the same to the Busshop y t should dispute with vs when he wāteth y e two substāciall poī●es cōtrary to the ordināce of y e Apostle Yet se an other point whiche greueth vs greatly to speake and yet neuertheles be we constreyned thereunto that we may shew to all this company that if this disputation of the vocatiō were ones opened it should be greatly dangerouse if we should ask him who gaue him this imposition of handes he wold say that it was the Busshops by the authoritie y t was giuen vnto them And if we should ask him for how muche he boght that authoritie he will say that he haeth not boght it but that he haeth giuē so many thousād crounes that is to say I haue not boght the bread but the corne So that if ye were willīg to decide this question by the Councelles or canons of the Churche there shoulde an infinite nombre of Busshoppes and curates haue red faces And therefore Madame we are not willīg to ētre therein for feare to offēd any body nor to make any reuenge but onely to shew you Madame y t if we should briefly answer this is the desire that we haue not to offend any body And as touchīg the article of y e holy Supper of oure Lorde we wold not of late speak any further of it but hauing a respect to many of this cōpany whiche haue not bene accustomed to heare speak thereof any thing so forwardly but y t they wilbe easily offēded when they heare any thing that semeth new vnto them And therefore we had rather that they should heare the sayings of the an●ient doctors of the Churche th● ours considering y t my Lorde Cardinall of Lorrain haeth bound him self by his promes openly to īstruct vs in this article with the wordes of the doctors that wrote the firste fyve hundreth yeres so y t we were prepared to receiue the light if it had bene shewed vnto vs that whiche hitherto haeth bene hidde frome vs. Now to saitisfie vs and also a great part of Christendome in that that we desyred looked for there was propounded to vs the article of the holie Sacrament cut of and mingled i● the principale and moste necessarie pointes therewith it was said vnto vs signe this if not we will go no further And if we were presented prisoners vnto you to be accused yet should ye not say signe this if not I condemne you youre estate bindeth you to speake otherwayes and cōmandeth you to shew vs oure errors if we had any and willeth that ye should be sufficient to exhort in holsome doctrine them that haue nede of doctrine and that be redy to rendre a reasone of their faith by the Scriptures And althogh the manner to condemne vs is new yet the means whiche haue bene therein vsed be more strange as I shall shortly shew Madame we are here present for two prīcipale endes the one is to rēdre a reasone to God and to you to all the worlde of oure faith the other is to do seruice to God and to the King and to you in all possible meanes to appese and mittigate the troobles that be risen in the cause of religion If ye send vs away agaī without giuing vs some with wh●̄e we might charitably conferre there shalbe no

thing donne vnto vs w c shall not be published made knowen throughout all Christendome This will not be the meanes to appease y e troobles whiche they know well ynough that are the makers thereof If ye had no more a do but with vs that be here present there should be no great danger as touching the world to do with vs euen as ye wolde But if it please you we be here but a part of a thousād thousandes of persons whiche be in this realme Suysse in Polonia in Almayne in England Scotland w c altogether looke for some good resolution of this assemblie and they shall vnderstād that in stede to conferre as it was promised there was giuen vnto vs y e tenth part of an article there was said vnto vs signe this or els we will go no further And if we should haue signed what shoulde ye gaine or winne thereby They that sent vs hither wold haue knowledge whither we were constreyned therunto by force and violence or els vainquished by good certen argumentes Wherefore we make humble request vnto you Madame that ye wold not īterrupt this good worke but y t ye wold giue vs some y t wold make no cōscience to cō conferre w t vs. Or els ye may iudge youre self how muche sclander this kinde of ꝓceding y t is now vsed shall bring And yet neuertheles because y t ye should not remain wihout answer vnto that whiche was ꝓpoūded vnto vs we declare that we approue all that was spoken by Moūsieure Despence in the booke which he gaue vnto vs without any other consideration thereof And as touching the article that 〈…〉 Cardinall haeth giuen vs 〈…〉 that it is no thing but an 〈…〉 of y e confessiō of Ausbourgh 〈…〉 be many thinges to be cō●●dered to wit y e hole cōfession must be communicated vnto vs. For it should be vnreasonable to present vnto vs a line of an article and to leaue out all the rest Further it must be knowen if my Lorde Cardinall of him self the whiche neuertheles we will not presume but desyre that we may haue witnessing thereof or els of the authoritie of my Lordes the Prelates haeth propounded here y e confession of Ausburgh to giue vs thereof suche assurāce that we may frely conferre together For thereby at least we might giue heartie thākes to God for that my Lorde Cardinall and the others shoulde condemne transsubstantiation the w c is reiected by the cōmoun accorde of all the reformed Curches aswell in Almaigne as els where And if they will that we signe any thing it is reason Madame that my Lorde Cardinall signe also that whiche h● in the name of his company presenteth vnto vs that oure Churches whiche haue sent vs hither may see and knowe y t here we conferre not in the ayer that is in vain And if my Lorde Cardiāll cōtinue ī this minde to approche and come nere vnto the confession of the Almains in all pointes I hope that God will make vs come nerer ioyne vs in suche a sorte together that ye shalbe well cōtent therof and that his name shalbe glorified thereby throughoute the hole world And in the mean season Madame we say vnto you y t oure Lorde Iesus Christe is in y e vse of the holie Supper in the whiche he presenteth giueth and exhibiteth verely vnto vs his body and his blood by the operation of his holy Spirit that we receiue and eat spiritually and by faith his owne body w c dyed for vs for to be bones of his bones fleshe of his fleshe that we may therby be quickened receiue all that whiche is necessarie for oure saluation And if this do not content you Madame and that there be nede of an greater declaration as surely it is a dangerous a hard thing to speake of so great a mysterie in few words if it please my Lorde Cardiāll to hold y t whiche he haeth promised whiche is to visit altogither the holie Scripture and the ancient doctors of the Churche so farre as they shalbe conformable vnto the same And if it Rom ▪ 30 Mat● 20. ●● 22. 1. Co●● 12.27 Ehes. ●● Cor. 12. The r●●●proba●●●● be ofte● in the house 〈◊〉 God yet be they none o● the ho●●se That whiche is beleued is not sen ●om 13 5 ▪ 6. The certen marcke of the true Church Ther● is no 〈◊〉 witho●● the Churc● Oure sinnes be the cause that d●●●cipline 〈…〉 and 〈◊〉 the 〈◊〉 the 〈…〉 8. ●etr ● 25. 〈◊〉 4.15 〈◊〉 10. Why c●●●cumcisi●on is c●●mande● so strai●●lie Genes ▪ 17.14 Deut. 16. ●ath ● 19 Cor. 23. ●phes 2 ● ▪ ●imo●e 3.15 Ioh 17. Rom 16. Gala● 4 2● Ther● must 〈◊〉 docto●● and p●●●acher● in the Chur●● 〈◊〉 12 〈◊〉 4. 〈◊〉 ●3 ● 3 Of 〈◊〉 in 〈◊〉 chair who● oght 〈◊〉 be vn●●●●stand Mat● 6 ▪ 11· Of 〈◊〉 Catho●●●que Churc● and of their d●●●persio● ī diue●● partes No 〈◊〉 with the 〈◊〉 preac● of Go●● word● the 〈◊〉 ad●●●nister● of 〈…〉 〈◊〉 7. ●or 14 ● Act. 5.6 Answe● to a lye 〈◊〉 1 The 〈◊〉 of the 〈◊〉 Wha● 〈◊〉 faith giue the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 5. 〈◊〉 13 1. Co●● 9. 1. Io●● 18. 〈…〉 of the ancie●● docto●● be 〈◊〉 witho●● faute● It is 〈…〉 〈…〉 ha●● often erred Go●● Bussh●●pes 〈◊〉 sobbed 〈◊〉 sighed see th●● wick●● 〈◊〉 be in the prela●●● of the Chur●● 〈◊〉 11. ●●ai 56. ●●rem ● ●●rem ● 14 ●●ai 29. ●●ech 7 Act. 29. 2. 〈◊〉 2.4 ▪ 1. 〈◊〉 9. ●or 2 ●et 1 〈◊〉 5. 〈◊〉 16 ●1 Iohn 31. 2. 〈◊〉 3 1● Act. 29. ● Cor. 11 〈…〉 29. ●wors● 11. ● 2. 〈◊〉 2. Ro● 23. Ro● 17. 〈◊〉 10. ●he lord ●ardin●●● A simi●●tude The P●●pistes want 〈…〉 of th● vocati●● The 〈…〉 ●ite 2.