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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A35564	To J.S., the author of Sure-footing, his letter, lately published, The answer of Mer. Casaubon, D.D., concerning the new way of infallibility lately devised to uphold the Roman cause, the Holy Scriptures, antient fathers and councills laid aside	Casaubon, Meric, 1599-1671.	1665 (1665)	Wing C811; ESTC R3910	21,053	27

IMPRIMATUR May 29 1665. John Hall R. P. D. Epis Lond. á Sac. Domest To J. S. the Author of Sure-Footing his Letter lately Published THE ANSWER OF MER. CASAUBON D. D. Concerning The New way of INFALLIBILITY lately devised to uphold the Roman Cause The Holy Scriptures Antient Fathers and Councills laid aside LONDON Printed for Timothy Garthwait at the Kings-head in St. Pauls Church-yard 1665. SIR I Have by the help of a Friend lately received your Letter to me which you have published with some other pieces of yours Had I apprehended any difficulty in the business I could have found an excuse from my present indisposition of body which hath been upon me this long time But I think I shall not need much Study to answer you this Letter I mean I will not insist upon personal things which do not at all concern the cause it self no further than civility doth oblige me First you challenge me so I understand you of somekind of breach of friendship A great crime I shall acknowledge it if truly guilty But the truth is Now that you have put me in mind by those circumstances you mention I remember well when Bp. Morton of Reverend and Blessed memory lived in Durham-house which was at the beginning of the late Troubles there was a civil Gentleman in the House whether in the quality of Chaplain or Secretary I do not remember with whom I did walk some time but what our communication was about Religion or any thing else I can give no account It should seem by your Letter you are the Gentleman But whether this may be called Acquaintance or Friendship I know not For since that time so many years ago I never heard of you that I remember neither did I think my self by any Law of friendship such as this obliged to inquire If your memory of me and my name hath been more tenacious I wish you much good of it I have often grieved that mine is no better If it were your kindness to think of me when I did not of you I am beholding to you for it But how I should know 20 years after that S. W. the Author of SCHISM DISPATCHT now turned into I. S. in Sure Footing c. which I prosess I do not understand was the party whom I had seen in Durham-house especially after so much trouble of body and mind which those times did occasion I will leave it to your further consideration I protest to you seriously that neither by any information I have had from any body else nor by any suspition of mine I never had the least thought of any such thing Before I enter into the cause I will make an end of this business of our acquaintance You charge me at the end of your Letter that I was accessory to your change Truly Sir because I acknowledge we did talke together but can give no account of particulars in any thing that I think as my mind and my apprehension of things then was which I remember very well could possibly proceed from me so far I may and will in civility believe you But to believe that I said any thing to you wittingly and willingly which I knew to be false and fictitious contrary to my sense and judgement and this too to no end at all that is without any provocation or inducement but to do my self hunt when for ought I knew what I said to you might probably come to the knowledge of that Reverend Prelate a zealous Protestant and who entirely loved me you must pardon me Sir if I believe you not in this but absolutely deny it and offer my self to take my oath to the contrary But because I am not willing to believe that you willfully devise but rather that your memory hath deceived you I will see what I can do to help you First then you say I told you They were mad who read the antient Fathers and saw not that they meant Christ was as really in the Sacrament as in Heaven I remember it was once by a Jesuite laid to my Fathers charge publikely that he should write somewhere in the margin of a book written by a learned Protestant where he treateth of the Eucharist Omittamus Patres nam corum authoritate velle uti ad nostram sententiam confirmandam est exquisitissimo genere insanioe insanire Though the words might be justified being written hastily too if by nostram sententiam we understand them who make a meer figure of the Sacrament Yet I shall not need to fly to that in case it be granted these words were written by my Father For there was a time and I have acknowledged it in a book dedicated to King James that learned and religious King above 40 years ago when my Father who then followed other studies was very much set upon by Cardinal Perron in matters of Religion neither could he avoid it because it was by order from the King What opinion you or any others now have of the Cardinal I know not but he was then generally accounted the greatest Wit and most Eloquent man of his time And I can shew how at that time my Father did write many things from his mouth so expresly acknowledged by him for his remembrance which afterwards upon further perusal and consideration himself in the same paper condemned and consuted I have at this time by me a very considerable Collection of such Notes and had them when I answered the Jesuite No wonder then if he had written such words at that time who afterwards at more leisure took infinite pains to satisfie himself about that matter having examined all the Testimonies of Antient Fathers and Records of all Ages of that Argument with great accuracy which Work of his had been published soon after his Exercitations if he had lived No wonder then I say However I had no reason to believe it then upon his report whom the Jesuite I mean before spoken of in other things I had found very bold and partial to say no more But afterwards it was my luck in the King now Charles the Second our Gracious Lord and Soveraign his Library at St. James's where for ought I know it is still to light upon the book and I do acknowledge I found the words there Now the thing being in a manner publick already though not perchance so publickly known it is possible I might say somewhat of it to you the word mad makes me think I did who probably being before resolved were willing upon very little ground as I conceive to make some advantage of it And how much less I pray as to the matter of the Eucharist doth Calvin himself say in that passage by me produced in the book you mention Substantiam vcri corports sanguinis Jesu Christi utì ex utero Virginis illam semel accepit Proesentem esse in cana tam sidelibus quàm infidelibus which passage is out of his Epistles But many other to the same purpose may

Wits you so often tell us of who perchance look upon you as a crazy man and think it Charity not to offend you their applause to confirm you in your distemper If I had so much interest in you as some have I know what advice I would give you if that mentis gratissimus error as the Poet expresses it which ordinarily doth accompany such distempers have not taken too deep root To tell you truth that whole passage of yours in your Letter of Advice to your Answerer p. 14. I easily yeeld to those great discoursers c. I do not like Your language is modest enough were it in another cause but in such a cause as this your opinion I mean such study such sedulity yea such zeal as you there mention must needs do you great wrong Sir the worst I wish you is that you may be sensible of your case before it be too late and the best I can wish to our cause were it lawfull or charitable to wish hurt unto any that good may come of it is that all Romanists who meddle with Controversies were of your mind and opinion which I make no question but all men truly rational on either side would look upon as the ultimus conatus a pittifull one God knowes of a dying Cause as to reason I mean and good authority either of Scripture or of Ancient Fathers Now I come to particulars in the order I find them Infallibility you say the Popes personal Infallibility is not the thing you build upon and therefore not very sollicitous what becomes of it You do not it may be and Mr. Whyte doth not but others of your profession both for number and account incomparably the greater part who perchance will think I do them wrong to call you a part tell us otherwise and make it their chiefest Article Of this somewhat hath been said by me in my late booke and it is the opinion of divers others Papists and Pretestants that it is the main point or Controversie till you have disproved this I need to say no more Now if you and Mr. Whyte and some more whom you think considerable or a considerable partie be of another opinion and think it Heretical or Archiheretical to maintain the contrary what occasion you Romanists have to boast of your good agreement who are of such different beliefe in main fundamentals I leave to you to consider But was not this a sufficient ground which you call my mistake since you dispaired and gave over this which others of your company built so much upon to make you since you would not be so ingenuous or had not so much light yet as to acknowledg your error and return to us to make you look about I say to find somewhat else that you might build so many strange practises and opinions of your Church upon for which you know and partly acknowledge you have no ground at all or at least not sufficient ground either in Scripture or what we call Tradition that is the consent of Ancient Fathers I say no more In the next place you endavour to countenance your new way though not under the notion of new by the temper of the times which hath produced so many attempting witts Truly Sir it cannot be denyed but your opinion or way hath much of the temper of the times be it spoken without any disparagement or disrespect to any of reall worth whether you call them Witts or otherwise Not to speak of England lest I may be thought to aime at any particularly you cannot but know by report and by books that in some places beyond the Seas there is a sect of men who take upon them to be the onely Witts of the World and glory in that title whose chiesest Witt is to make a mock of all Religion and to scoff at the Scriptures which the dullest Complexions if they make it their study are very capable of and indeed rather deserve the name of Boufons some naturally have a faculty that way who are good for little else then Wits You might better have forborn that word which you often use when you tell us of men of real worth I am not so addicted to old things though you make me so but I can embrace new with thanks and congratulation when I shall see just cause Their attempt or project I profess I do not like who to make themselves the more admired trample over all that former ages which produced so many excellent wits had in great respect and esteem under the notion of Learning or Science However though some innovation in matter of humane Learning or Science may be born yet in such a fundamental of Religion as you make your way to be no man truly sensible of Religion but will abhorr it It is the ready way to no Religion at all or to any and you know many account them the onely Witts shall I say or wise men of the world that are of that temper I will not say it is your end but that it will be the effect of your new way give me leave to call it as I find it should it prevail which God forbid I have much reason to believe As for the rest that you object I have said it before but I must repeat it You play the Sophister too grosly and abuse your Reader shamefully when you tell us Your way is not new because the ancients of Vincentius Lirinensis I have given you a particular account I wonder you would name him maintain Tradition There is as much difference between that Tradition which they maintain and that which you do as there is between a brute and a man though both be animalia Neither will that help you to say they maintain some may speak so Tradition unwritten therefore oral For it may be so called in regard of the first original or Authors though since that recorded and attested by multiplicity of Authors And though there were no such attestation extant which cannot be said of true Tradition yet still you are as much to seek to bring it to Fathers and Mothers of Families in your sense which seem confident never came into any mans mind till you or Mr. Whyte dreamed it of all other inventions in this kind the most ridiculous I ever heard of So much of mistake laid to my charge Now to the injuries you complain of The first is That I confess my selt a stranger to Rushworths Dialogues and that I make some doubt whether Schisme Dispatcht and Rushworths Dialogues might not be of one Author though under two names Your descant upon this is my genius doth not incline me to trade in books that pretend to reason You do pretend indeed and so do most in your case with as much or more confidence ordinarily though the matter appear never so ridiculous to others and false as the most rational in best causes As in our English story he that could not confirm his new Revelations by miracles Mr.