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A93865 An historical discourse, briefly setting forth the nature of procurations, and how they were anciently paid, with the reason of their payment; and somewhat also of synodals and pentecostals: with an appendix in answer to an opposer. By J.S. J. S. John Stephens. 1661 (1661) Wing S5448; Thomason E1057_9; ESTC R34604 60,663 159

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the same time Offerings have bin anciently brought as before is mentioned this custome of Pentecostall Offerings may in some probability have its original derivation thence And in this guess Gulielmus Durandus runs along thus far in agreement with me Ritus igitur saith he Synagogae transivit in Religionē Ecclesiae sacrificia carnalis populi mutata sunt in observantiam populi spiritualis Durand Rationale divinorum Offic. l. 4. c. 30. Numb 34. Thus he writing about the offerings of the old Law And surely it is not vainly conceived the Jews might be the Authors of this Custome Nor needs any man to be ashamed to follow their steps in so good an example though the worst of men Gens sceleratissima Aug de Civit. Dei● 6. ca. 11. Synes in Epist Epist 4. as St. Augustine out of Seneca 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as Synesius pleaseth to stile them But to come back to our business To the principall Mother-Churches then these Oblations were especially made and being thither brought the Bishops as before is set forth and declared had them solely to dispose of as whatsoever else were offered in or brought unto other Baptismal and Parochial Churches 16. q. 1. c. Statuimas yea and Chappels too for in such also Oblations were made consentiente Episcopo not otherwise came within the compass of his distribution So I find that Eugenius the Third did by his Dipl●ma or Letters Patents grant the fourth part of the offerings made upon the greater Altar of the church of St. Peter in Rome Baron annal ad ann Chr. 1153. to the Archpriest and Canons of the same church This of the Bishop of Rome 12. q. 3. c. Episcopus And that the Bishops elsewhere did or might doe the same I see no cause to doubt though the Pope whose power and authority in this Kingdome and elsewhere was once so great as being forsooth Caput omnium Pontificum a quo illi tanquam à capite membra descendunt as Durandus overlasheth Durand Ratioona● de min●str ordin Eccl. l. 1. fol. 31. and as having within the compass and limits of his jurisdiction above an hundred and twenty Archbishopricks and above a thousand Bishopricks as Stapleton vaunts Stapleton de Magnitud Rom. Eccl. l. 1. c. 3. did ex plenitudine potestatis sometimes interpose and order and dispose things in the Church according to his own will giving to this body or that member as he saw cause but ever to the Clergy to whom and to those uses before expressed by the Canon Law these Offerings were and are only due and otherwise interdicted to the Laity sub districtione Anathematis 10. q. 1. c. Quia Sa●erdo●es e. Sanct. Patrumibi And hence it may be that in some places the Deans and Praebendaries of Cathedral Churches have them In other places Praebends are founded upon them to instance two if credible report deceive me not in the Cathedral Church of Salisbury a greater and a lesse distinguished and known by this difference of Major Minor pars Altaris And in some Dioeceses again they are settled upon the Bishop and Archdeacon and made part of their Revenue for which the King hath Tenths and Subsidies An instance hereof The Cathedrall or mothrr Church of Worcester was anciently before the dissolution a Priory and among other Revenues belonging to the same Church it had those Pentecostalia or Whitsun-farthings yearly brought unto it under the name of Oblations or spirituall profits tempore Pentecostes And after the Dissolution when King Henry the eighth about the 33 year of his reign did found anew and reendow the said Church he returned these Pentecostalia after he had kept them about a year in his own hands in express terms back again to the said Church which the Dean and Prebendaries there receive unto this day as I am informed and appeareth due by the * Henricus Octavus c. Sciatis quod nos de gratia nostra speciall ac ex certa scientia ac me●o motu nostris dedimus concessimus ac per praesentes damus concedimus Decano Capitulo Ecclesiae cathedralis Christi beatae Mariae Virginis Wigorn omnes illas Oblationes Obventiones sive spiritualia p●oficua vulgariter vocat Whitsun-farthings annuatim collect sive recepta de diversis villatis in Comitat nostris Wigorn. Warwic Heref. infra Archidiaconatum Wigorn. tempore Pentecost oblata dicto nuper Prioratui b●atae Mariae Wigorn. modò dissolut dudum spectan pertinen c. Ex Arch●v●s Decani Capit. Wigorn. Letters Patents But in Gloucester it is otherwise for there the Bishop and Archdeacon only receive them neither can the Dean and Prebendaries that now are of the Cathedral nor could the Abbat Monks of that Church before them ever make just claim to them For before the suppression these Pentecostals inter alia were valued to the Archdeacon in the Kings books as part of the revenue of the Archdeaconry even when Procurations and Synodals were and for ought I know to the Bishop too but I leave that to the Record and would here end But as he that after a long night desires to behold the appearance of the morning Sun so my self not yet sufficiently satisfied with what hath been formerly produced in this obscure passage and desirous vel in minutioribus to behold the brightness of truth then which nothing can be more desireable Upon the apprehension of some conceived light beginning to discover it self in this particular 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Euripid. in Phoeniss Hope to finde gives me encouragement and makes me yet eager to seek Fabianus a certain Bishop moves two questions to Pope Gelacius which as I conceive doe somewhat concern our present business The former of the two was 10. q. 3. c. Nec numerus Gloss 161. Whether a Bishop might require pro Cathedratico ultra antiquam consuetudinem To this the Pope answereth no he might not And the later was this What part of Oblations he ought to receive And the Pope refers him to the Custome observed in other Churches whether a moytie or third part Not the moity or third part generally of all the Oblations made that questionless is not the question in this place but only of such as were brought in Polydor. Virg. de Invent. ●erum l. 6. c. 8. 18 q. 2. c. Fleutherius ●e consec● Distinct 1. c. Slennit Dedicat●onum in die ann●versariae dedicationis for this solemnity was annual and all upon that day vicatim made holy day as Polydor hath it vel alterius solennitatis as the Bishop and Founder or Priest did covenant and agree at the time of the Dedication of that Church so the Gloss explains the Case And surely this is it that Hostiensis specially aims at if I mistake not when writing of the time of the imposition of Church Censes he thus saith That their imposition was