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A16950 A true discourse, vpon the matter of Martha Brossier of Romorantin pretended to be possessed by a deuill. Translated out of French into English, by Abraham Hartvvel.; Discours veritable sur le faicte de Marthe Brossier. English. Marescot, Michel, 1539-1605, attributed name. aut; Pietre, Simon, ca. 1525-1584, attributed name. aut; Le Bouthillier, attributed name. aut; Hartwell, Abraham, b. 1553. 1599 (1599) STC 3841; ESTC S113238 24,481 52

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as it is very likely that she was neuer studied so that there was no collusion vsed with her neither could she inuent or imagine the interpretations thereof It resteth therefore euen in the iudgement of Aristotle in the like case that they were inspired into her By reason whereof and considering also vnder correction that S. Luke who was both a Phisitian and an Euangelist describing the persons out of whose bodies our Lord and his Apostles did driue the Deuils left vnto vs none other nor any greater signes then those which we thinke wee haue seene in this case wee are the more induced and almost confirmed to beleeue and to conclude as before taking God for a witnesse of our consciences in the matter Made at Paris this third of April 1599. Now let vs briefly examine this long discourse The actions of Martha say they which we haue obserued are either counterfeited or proceede of some Disease or are caused by the Deuill Of any Disease they proceede not neither are they counterfeit then are they caused by the Deuill The Proposition is true the Assumption is false and we do deny it How proue you it Mary first you proue that they proceeded not of any Disease because euery motion that proceedeth of any Disease is either a Trembling or a Stifnes or a Panting or a Crampe This diuision seemeth to bee imperfect because there bee diuerse motions proceeding from Diseases which are mixt as for example those that are called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Mingled of a Crampe and a trembling and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a Trembling with a Shiuering which Hippocrates calleth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And these mixt kindes are sometimes so mingled one with another that it is a very difficult thing to referre them to any one of your simple kindes But let vs not rest vpon this seeing we are all agreed that the motions of this woman proceeded not from any disease and let vs examine the reasons which you alleadge for the Deuill The first reason is for that she being pricked very deepe with a pin she neuer made any semblant that she felt it Out of all question when she was but sleightly pricked on the side of her neck she turned her selfe and felt it indeede and then Father Seraphin vsed his wonted excuse and said Here is nothing els but Martha Well a little after being pricked somewhat deeper she dissembled her paine and therefore had she the Deuill in her bodie The Lackies of the Court which diuerse times will of themselues thrust a pin very deepe into some fleshie part as in the thigh or in the arme are they therefore possessed with a Spirit The wise Stoike being inclosed in the bull of Phalaris said that it was but a gentle torment Theeues that robbe by the high way doe easily endure the torture we haue seene many that were burned aliue and neuer shewed any token of paine Plutarch in the life of Lycurgus saith that the children of the Lacedaemonians did vse themselues to stealing with so great feare to bee discouered in their theft as one of them hauing stollen a yong Foxe hid it vnder his cloathes and suffered all his bellie to bee rent out with the nailes and teeth of the beast and yet neuer cried for it for feare he should haue been discouered insomuch as he dyed in the place where he was Which thing saith Plutarch is nothing incredible when wee see what yong children doe euen at this day indure For wee haue seene many that without either crying or speaking a word haue indured to be whipped euen to the death vpon the Altar of Diana Behold the very words of Plutarch But ye will say that Martha was pricked without any blood following Assuredly we did see a shew and a marke of red And ye must vnderstand that when a pinne is pricked directly and vprightly into a fleshie part wherein there is not notable veine it will make a very small and narrow hole out of which blood doth not issue especially if the blood be earthie and melancholike Vpon such a like argument as yours is wee haue seene poore soules condemned to be burned for Witches and afterwards absolued and let goe by the Iudges of the Court A dangerous argument for such Witches and yet in this question now in hand much lesse pricking then a pinne But let vs argue by Philosophie a little more subtilly Galen sheweth against Aristotle that Sense is not the alteration or chaunge that is made in the Organon or Instrument of Sense but the knowledge of that alteration As for example saith he if I bee very attentiue to any thing and in the meane while one passeth before me although his image bee receiued into the Chrystalline humour of mine eye as it were in a glasse yet for all that I shall not see him because the Visuall Spirit with the power thereof is kept backe in the spring and original fountaine of the sight or the soule doth not send forth the Common Sense into the eye because it is occupied elsewhere and without it there can bee no Sense and by consequence either little or no paine at all If I bee very greatly busied or occupied attentiuely about any thing although one crie out or speake alowd that is neere vnto me yet shall not I discerne what was said because the Common Sense is hindered elsewhere Some haue receiued many shots of gunnes in the warres that felt nothing thereof Archimedes being busied about his Geometricall lines did not thinke that Syracusa had been taken If therefore constancie and resolution as also a strong imagination doe detaine the Spirit Animall in her fountaine if the Soule doe not send foorth into the part her Common Sense without which there is either little or no feeling at all and by consequence either little or no paine doe we thinke it strange that the patient being very resolute doth endure little or no griefe and so dissemble it This reason induced the Stoikes to defend this Paradoxe That griefe or paine consisteth in opinion because Imagination is the mother of Opinion and if Imagination doe not worke withall there is no paine at all Cease therfore to conclude that Martha was possessed with a Deuill because she was not moued with the pricking of a pinne conclude rather that she was not possessed because she felt not the pricking For there is no likelihood in it and it is a thing incompatible not agreeing with it selfe that the Deuill should quite take away the feeling of paine from those whom he meaneth to torment nay he would rather augment and increase the same to make them feele the greater paine Cease ye also to marueile that there followed no blood out of the pricke for the onely apprehension or strong conceit of being let blood is ordinarily a cause why there followeth no blood out of the issue that is made although the veine bee very well opened The common people doe vsually say I was so angred as if