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A01268 A boke made by Iohn Frith prisoner in the tower of London answeringe vnto M mores lettur which he wrote agenst the first litle treatyse that Iohn̄ Frith made concerninge the sacramente of the body and bloude of, christ vnto which boke are added in the ende the articles of his examinacion before the bishoppes ... for which Iohn Frith was condempned a[n]d after bur[n]et ... the fourth daye of Iuli. Anno. 1533.; Boke answeringe unto M Mores lettur Frith, John, 1503-1533. 1533 (1533) STC 11381; ESTC S105657 100,080 176

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be beleu●d that coulde b●inge som textes of scripture for h●m expounded as yt pleassed h●m self then coulde I sayt●e thys holy man brynge vppe a new sect allso and saye by scrypture ● that no man were a true Chrysten man nor a m●mbr● of the churche ● that kepeth two cotes And in good fayt● sayth master More ●f that wa●e were ●ow●d I were able my s●llfe to fynde oute fyftene newe sectes in one fore none Sayncte Peter sa●th that the scripture ys not expounded after the appetyte of any priuate person but ●uyn as yt was geuyn by the sprite of god no● by mannes wyll So m●ste yt be declared by the same spryte And therfore I wyll not that any man s●albe beleued by bringinge hys owyn mynde and phantasie But yf he wyll be beleued lett hym brynge eyther an other playne texte which shall expounde the firste or els at the leste he muste bringe suche a sentense as wyll stonde with the processe of the scrypture Whye was Saynct Hierom alow●d agaynst the determ●nacyon of the counsell of meldelcy syth he was alone and they a great multitude● but onlye be cause he brought euydent scrypture which at the tyme of their sentense non of them remembred and yet when yt was brought they coulde not auoyde yt And lykewise except I brynge euydent scrypture which they all shall expounde as I doo I desyre not to be beleued And where master More sayeth that in good fayth he w●re able to ●ynde oute fyftene newe sectes in one sore none he may thanke GOD that he hathe suche a preng●ant wytte But yet I truste he shulde not fynde one yf there were any par●ll of dampnacyon therin but that we wolde with a playne texte confute yt which he shuld not be able to auoyde ¶ And ouer this the very circumstances of the places in the gospell in which our sauyour speaketh of that sacrament may well make open the defference of hys speache in this mater and of all those other and that as he spake all those but in an allegorye so spake he ●●ys playnly meaninge that he spake of hys very bodye and hys very bloud besyde all all●goryes For when our lorde sayd he was a very vyne nor when he sayd he was the dore there was non that harde hym that any thynge meruelyd therof And whye For be cause they perceyued well that he ment not that he was a materyall vyne in dede nor a dore nether But when he sayd that hys fleshe was very meate and hys bloude very drynke and that they shuld not be saued but yf they did eate hys fleshe and drynke hys bloude then were th●y all in suche a wonder therof that they coulde not they coulde not abyde And wh●rfore but because they perceyued well by hys wordes and hys maner of cir●unstaunces that C●riste spake of hys very fles●e and hys very bloude in dede It ys openly knowen confessed amonge all lerned men t●at in the .6 chapitre of Ioā christe spake not one worde concernynge the sacracramēt of hys bodye and bloude w c at that tyme was not yet institute but all that he ther spake was of the sp●̄all eatinge drinkynge of his bote bloude in to our soule● w c ys the fayt●e in h●s bodye and bloude as I haue touched before And the cy●cunstances of this place do ●n dede proue that they were fleshly mynded and vndersto●e not the spirituall wordes of our saviour Christ and thefore wondered murmered In somoch that Christ sayd vnto thē doth this o●fende ●o● What w●l● ye say then whē ye shall see the sone of man ascendynge thither where he was before Then addeth S. Austen you s●all knowe t●at he ment not to geue hys fleshe to eate w t youre teth for he shall ascende hoole And Christ addeth ● yt ys the spirete that quickneth the fleshe profiteth not●●nge the word that I speak● are spiret ād lyste that ys to saye saith S. Austyn are spūaly to be vnderstond And where Christ sayeth ● that the fleshe profiteth nothyng meanyng of hys owne fleshe as S Austen sayth he m●aneth that yt profit●th not as they vnderstode h●m that ys to saye yt profiteth not yf ●t were eatē But yt doth moche ꝓfite to be slayne that thorough yt and the shedīge of hys bloude the w●athe of god our father ys pacified and oure synn●s for geuē And wher his mastership saythe that the people ꝑcey●ed well what he ment and therfore wōd●red so sore and cou●de not abyde be cause they perceyued well by his wordes and maner of circunstāces what his meaning wa● I wyll saye as I did before that they vnd●rs●ode h●m not Fowe here he will saye vnto me yf yt be but your naye and my yee then I wolde thynke to be beleued as so●e as yow and surelye that were but re●son ●ot wtstondyng thāk●s be to god I am able to bringe in auctorite to Iudge b●twene vs bothe whose Iudgement I truste his mastership wyll admyt This auctor ys S. Aus●yn w c sayeth Dis●ipuli en●● eius qui eum sequebantur expauerunt exhorruerunt sermonē nō intellegentes That ys to saye his disciples wc●ol●owed hym were a stoyned and abhorred his wordes and vnderstode them not And be cause your mas●ershipe shall ●ot thynke that he ouer schott hym sel●fe and spake he wyst not what we shall aliege hym saytnge the same wordes in an other place● Cum diceret Nisi quis manducauerit carnem c. Illi non intellegentes dixerunt ad inuicem Durus est hic sermo quis potest eum audire That ys when christ sayd except a man eate my fleshe and drinke my bloude ● he shall haue no lyff in hym they be●aus● th●y v●derstode hym not sayde to eche other this ys an harde sayinge who can heare hym Thus I trust● you will geue place allthough not to me yet at the lest vnto S. Austen and recey●e the trueth w c ys so playnly proued And where his mastership alleget● this text for the sacrament that except they did eate his fleshe drynke his bloude they could not be saued yt semeth that he ys fallē in to the errour of pope innocēt ● whiche like wise vnderstondyng this text vppon the sacramēt as master More doth caused yōge chyldern infantes to receiue the sacramēt ● as though thei had all by a dāpned w c died had not receyued yt And of this carnall minde were many mo Bushoppes a great while as are now the bohemes ● whom he after disprayseth● and yet expoūdeth the text as they doo● but afterward they loked more spūally vppo● the matter and cōfessed ther ignorāce as I truste master more wyll but nowe will I shew you s. Austēs minde vppō this text w c shall h●lpe for the exposiciō of all this matter s. Austē in the thirde boke de doctrina christiana the .16 chapitre teachīge howe we shall knowe the tropes figures allegories
they mu●te nedes haue a signe token sacrament or comen badge by the w c they may knowe eche other And ther ys no defference betwene a signe or a badge and a sacramēt but that the sacrament sygnifyeth an̄ holy thinge and a signe or a badge dothe signy●ie a wordly thinge as s. Austē●ayeth signes whē they are referred to holy thīges are called sacramētes The secōde cause of their institucyon ys that they may be a meane to brynge vs vnto hys fayth and to enprent yt the deꝑ in vs for yt doth costomably the more move a man to beleve whē he ꝑceyvyth the thynge expressed to diuerse senses at once as by exāple yf I promise a man to mete hym at a day apoynted he wyll somwhat truste my worde Notwtstondynge he trustyth not so moche vnto yt as yf I did both promise hym with my worde allso clape handes w t hym or holde vp my fynger for he counteth that this promiseys strong more faythefull then ys the bare worde because yt moveth mo senses For the worde doth but only certifie the thynge vnto a man by the sense of herynge but whē w t my promise immediatly after I holde vp my fynger then do I not only certifye hym by the sense of hearynge But allso b● hys sight he perceyvyth that that facte confyrmeth my worde And in the clapynge of handes he perceyvyth both by hys sight and fealyng be side the word that I wyll fullfyll my promise And lykewise yt ys in this sacramente Christ promised them that he wolde geve hys bodye to be slayne for their synnes And for to establishe the faythe of this promise in them he did institute the sacramēt w c he called hys bodye to th entent that the very name yt selfe might put them in rem●mbrāce what was ment by yt he brake the brode before them signifying vnto thē outwardly evyn the same thynge that he by his wordes hade before ꝓtested evyn as his wordes hade enformed thē by their hearynge that he entended so to do so the brekynge of that brede enformed their ye sight that he wolde fullfyll hys promise Then he dide distribute yt amonge thē to enprynt the mater more depely in them signifinig therbye that evyn as that brede was devidid amonge them so should hys bodie and frute of his passyon be distributed vnto as manye as beleved his wordes Finaly he caused them ●o eate yt that nothynge shoulde be lackynge to cōfyrme that necessarye poynt of faythe in thē signifyinge therbye that as verely as they fellte that brede wtin them so sure should they be of hys bodye thorough fayth And that evyn as that brede doth norishe t●e bodye so dothe the fayth in hys bodye breakynge norishe the soule vnto ever lastynge lyffe This did our mercyfull saviour w c knowyth our fraylte weakenes to establishe ād strenghth their fa●th in hys bodye breakynge blode shedynge w c ys our shoteanker and laste refuge w t oute w c we shoulde all perishe The th●rd cause the inst●tucyon profit that comythe of yt ys this They that haue receyved thes blessyd tidynges and worde of helth do love to publishe this felicite vnto other men And to geve thākys before the face of the congregacyō vnto their bountteons benefactour and as moche as in them ys to drawe all people to the praisinge of God with them which thinge though yt be partly dō by the prechynge of goddes worde fructefull exhortacyons yet dothe that visible token sacramente yf a man vnderstond what ys ment therbye more effectuously worke in them both fayth and thankisgeuynge then doth the bare worde but yf a man wot not what yt meaneth and seketh helthe in the sacrament and outeward signe then may he well be lykened vnto a fonde fellow which when he ys very drye and an honest man shewe hym an alepole tell hym that ther ys good ale ynough wolde goo and sucke the ale pole trustynge to get drynke oute of yt and so to quenche hys thurste Now a wise man wyll tell hym that he playeth the fole for the ale pole doth but signifie that ther ys good ale in the howse where the alepole stondyth and wyll tell hym that he must goo nere the howse and there he shall fynde the drynke not stond suckynge the alepole in vayne For yt shall not ease hym but rather make hym more drie for the ale pole doth signifie good ale yet the ale pole yt sellfe ys no good ale nother ys there ony good ale in the alepole And lykewise yt ys in all sacramentes For yf we vnders●ond not what they meane and seke helth in the outeward signe then we sucke the alepole labour in vayne But yf we do vnderstond the meanynge of them than shall we seke what they signifye and go to the signyficacions ther shall we fynde vndoubted helth As to oure purpose in thys sacrament wherof we speake we muste note what yt signyfyeth and ther shall we fynde oure redempcyon It signifyeth that Christys bodye was broken vppon the crosse to redeme vs from the thrauldom of the deuell and that hys blode was shed for vs to washe oure synnes Therfore we m●ste rūne thider yf we wyll be eased For yf we thynke to haue our synnes forgeuyn for eatynge of the sacrament or for seinge the sacrament onece a day or for prayinge vnto yt then suerly we sucke the alepole And of thys yow may perceyue what profyt comyth of thes sacramentes the which ether haue no signyficacyons put vnto them or els when ther sygnifycacions ar loste and forgotten For then no doubt they are not commended of God but are rather abhomynable for whan we knowe not what they meane then seke we helth in the outward dede and so are iniuryous vnto Christe and hys blode As by example the sacrifices of the Iewys were well alowed accepted of God as longe as they vsed them aryght and vnderstode by them the deth of Chryste the shedynge of hys bloude that holy oblacyon offered on the crosse once for euer But when they begon to forgett thys significacion ād sought there helthe rightwisnes in the bodely worke in the sacrifice ytsellfe thē were they abhominable in the sight of God and then he cryed oute of thē bothe by the ꝓphet Dauid and Isaye And likewise yt ys w t our sacramētes let vs therfore seke vp the significaciōs and goo to the very thinge w c the sacrament ys set to pres●nt vnto vs. And ther shall we synde such● frutefull foode as shall never fayle vs but com●ort our soules in to lyff euerlastynge Now wyll I in order answer to master mo●es boke and as I fynde occasion gevyn me I sha●l indevoure my sellfe to supply that thynge w c lacked in the fyrste treatise I trust I shall sh●we suche lyght that all men whose eyes the prence of thys worlde hath not blynded shall ꝑceyve the truthe of the
fayth For yt ys no nother thynge to beleue then to haue fayth and therfore when a man answereth that the infant beleueth which hath not the affecte of fayth he answerethe that yt hathe faythe for the sacrament of fayth And that yt turneth yt sellfe to GOD for the sacrament of conuersyon For the answere yt sellfe perteyneth vnto the mynistryng of ●he sacrament As the apostle wryteth of baptyme we are buryed sayeth he with Christe thorough baptyme vnto deth He say●th not we signyfye buryinge but vtterlye sayeth we are buryed He called therfore the sacrament of so great a thynge euyn with the name of the verye thynge yt sellfe c. Iff a man wolde auoyde contencyon and loke soberly on thosse wordes of Sayncte Austen he shall sone perceyue the mysterye of thys matter For euyn as the next good frydaye shal be caulled the day of Christes passyon and yet he shall not suffer deth agayne vppō that daye for he dyed but onece and ys nowe immortall euyn so ys the sacrament called Chrystes bodye And as that daye ys not the verye daye that he dyed on but onlye a remembrance therof So the sacrament ys not hys verye naturall bodye but onlye a remembrance of hys bodye breakynge and bloude she dynge And lykewyse as the next ester daye shall be called the day of hys resurrectyon not that yt ys the very same daye that Chryste dyd ryse in but a remembraunce of the same Euyn so the sacrament ys called hys bodye not that yt ys hys bodye in dede but only a remembrāce of the same And furdermore euyn as the prest doth offer hym that ys to saye crucyfye hym at masse euyn so ys the sacramēt his● bodye But the masse doth but only rep̄sent his passyō And so doth the sacramēt represent hys bodye And ●et though the masse dothe but rep̄sent his crucifying we maye trulye saye he ys cru●ified eu●n so though the sacramēt do but signifie or rep̄sent hys bodye yet may we trulye saye that yt ys hys bodye Why so verely sayeth he for the sacramentes haue a certayne similitude of thos● thinges wherof the● are sacramentes And for this simi●itude for the moste ꝑte they take the namys of the ver●e thynges Blessed be god w t hathe so clerely discussed this matt by this faith full father Notwtstonding he doth yet expresse yt more playnlye saying after a certayne ma●er the sacramēt of Christes bodye ys Christes bodye Be holde deare brethern he sayth after a certayne maner the sacrament ys Christes bodye And by that you may sone knowe that he neuer ment that yt shulde be hys verye naturall bodie in dede but onlye a token and memoriall to kepe in m●morie the deth of his bodye and so to norishe our fayth Besides that his similitude w c he after al●egeth of baptime doth holye expounde this matter for saieth he the apostle saieth not we signifie buryinge but he saieth we are buried ād yet in dede the baptyme doth but signifie yt And there vppon s. Austen addeth that he called the sacramēt of so great a thinge euyn w c the name of the very thinge yt sellfe And lyke wise yt ys in our sacramēt Finallye to be shorte I wyll passe ouer many places w c I haue gatherred oute of this holye father and wyll touche but this one moare Saincte Austen sayth Non ●nim D●̄s dubitauit dicere Hoc est corpus meū cū daret signū corporis sui Et in eodē capite exponit● Sic est em̄ sanguis anima quomodo petra erat christus nec tamē petra ait significabat Christum sed ait petra erat Christus That is to say● The lorde doubted not to saye this ys my bo●ye when he gaue a signe of his bodye And after in the same chapiter he expoundeth yt For trulye so the bloude ys soule as Christe was the stone And yet the apostle sayth not the stone did signifye Christ but he sayth the stone was Christe Here. s. Austen saith playnlye that Christe called the signe of his bodye his bodye ād in this chapiter doth cōpare these thre textes of scripture this ys my bodye the bloud● ys the soule and Christe was the stone and declareth thē to be one phrase and to be expounded after one fasshyon Now ys there no mā so mad as to saye that Christ was a naturall stone except he be a naturall foole whose Iudg●m●nt we nede not greatly to regard therfore we may well cōclude that the sacramēt ys nat his naturall bodie but is caulled his bodie for a similitude that yt hath wherin yt signifieth representeth his bodye And that the sacrament of so great a thinge ys caulled euyn w t the name of the verye thinge yt sellf as s. Austen sayde imm●diatly before This were proffe ynough to cōclude that all the olde fathers did holde the same opinion for who wolde once surmise seinge we haue s. austē so p●ayne for vs w c is the chesest emōge thē all who wolde once surmise I say that the dissented in this great matter from the other faithfull fathers or they frō him neuerthelesse I dare not le●t hī stōde post alone ieste ye dispice him And therfore I will shewe you the minde of certaine oth●r allso and fur●●e of his master s. Ambrose S. Ambrose wrytynge vppon the Epistle of Paule to the Corinthiās in the xi● chap. sayth Quia em̄ morte Dn̄i libe●ati sumꝰ huiꝰ rei in eden do potādo carnē sanguinē q ꝓ nobis oblata sunt significamus That is to saye because we be deliuered by the deth of the lorde in eatyng and drynkinge of this thynge meanynge of the sacrament we signifye the fleshe bloude w c were offered for vs. Here doth s. ambrose saie ynough yf men were not sophisters but wolde be cōtent w t reason For he sayeth that in eatyng ād drinkyng the sacrament of Christes bodye we signifie or represent the fleshe and bloude of our sauyour Iesus Natwtstondynge be cause you are so slybberye we shall bynde you a lytle ● better by this mans wordes S. Ambrose sayth● Sed forte dices speciē sanguinis nō uideo s●d habet similitudinē Sicut em̄ mortis similitudinē sumpsisti ita etiā similitudinē preciosi sanguinis bibis That ys to saye But ꝑaduenture thou wylte saye I se no apperaūce of bloude but yt hathe ● similitude For euyn as thou haste taken the similitude of deth euen so thou drinkest the similitude of the p̄cyous bloude Here maye ye see by the cōferrynge of thesse two sacramentes what s. Ambrose i●●ged of it For he sayeth euyn as thou haste taken a similitu●e of hys deth in the sacramēt of baptyme so doste thou drinke a similitude of his preciouse bloude in the sacramēt of the au●ter And yet as s. Austē sayd before the apostle saith not we signifie buryinge but sa●th we are buried And likewise here Christ sayd not this signifyeth my bodye but
hade soop●d And because brede doth confyrme or strengthe the fleshe and wyne worketh bloude in the ●l●she therfore ys the br●de misticallye referred vnto the bodye of Christe and the wyne referred vnto hys bloude Here maye you note furste that ●s the lambe was a remembraunce of the●r delyueraunce oute of Egipt and yet the lambe delyuered thē not so ys the sacrament a remembraūce of our redēptyon and yet the sacramēt redemed vs not ●esydes that he sayth that Christ in the stede of the fleshe and bloude of the lambe did institute the sacrament of hys fleshe and bloude in fygure of brede and wyne ●arke well he sayth not that in the stede of lambes fleshe and bloude he dyd institute hys owyn fleshe and bloude but ●ayeth that he dyd institute the sacrament of hys fleshe and bloude What thynge ys a sacrament verelye yt ys the sygne of an holye thyng and there ys no defferrence b●twene a sygne and a sacrament but that the sygne ys referred vnto a wordly thynge and a Sacrament vnto a spirituall or holye thynge As s. Austen sayth Signa cū ad res diuinas pertinent sacramenta appellantur That ys to saye signes when they partayne vnto godly thinges are called sacramentes The●fore when Beda saieth that thei did institute the sacramēt of his fleshe and bloude in the figure of bred and wine yt ys as moche to saye by s. Austens diffinitiō as that he did institute the figure of his holye fleshe and bloude in the figure of bred a●d wine that ys to saye that br●ade and wyne shuld be th● figure and signe rep̄sentyng his holy fleshe bloude vnto vs for a perpetuall remembrāce And afterward he declareth the proꝑtye ●or w t the brede ys called the bodye and the wyne the bloude sauynge he speaketh ●ot so darkelye as I now doo but playnlye sayth that the brede is mis●icallye refferred vnto the bodye of Christe be cause that as brede doth strengthe the fl●she so Christes bodye which ys figured by the brede doth s●rengthe the soule thorough sayth in his deth And so doth he clerlye proue my purpose Now lett vs se what Chrisostome sayth w c shall describe vs the fayth of the olde greacyās and I doubte not he had not loste the treue fayth how so euer the wordle goo now adayes Chrisostome sayth in this maner Si enim mortuus ●esus nō est cuius signū simbolum hoc sacr●ficiū est uides ●uantū ei studium fuerit ut semper memor●a teneamus pro nobis ipsum mortuū fuisse That ys to saye for yf Iesus haue not died whosse memoriall and signe ys the sacrifyce Thow seyst what diligēce he gaue that we shulde contynuallye kepe in memorie that he dyed for vs. Here you maye see that Chrisostome calleth the sacramēt symbolu● et signū that is to saye a m●mory●ll and signe of christ ād that yt was in●titute to kepe hys deth in perpetuall remēbraūce But of one thinge thou muste beware or els thou arte deceyued h● calleth it allso a sacrafice and there thou muste wyselye vnderstond hym For yf yt were the sacrafice of Christes bodye then m●ste christes bodye be slayne ther agayne w c thynge God forbyd And therfore thou muste vnderstond hym whē he calleth yt a sacrafice that he meaneth yt to a remembraunce of that holye sacrafice where christes bodye was offered on the crosse once for all For he cā be sacrafied no more seinge he ys immortall Not withstondyng our prelattes will here note me of presumption that I dare be so boolde to e●pounde hys mynde on thys fasyon For in dede they take hym otherwise thynke that yt ys a v●rye sacrafice And therfore I wyll brynge one other text where Chrisostome shall expoūd hī sellf Chrisostome sayth N●ne ꝑ singulos dies offerrimꝰ offerrimꝰ qde sed ad recordationē mortis eiꝰ faciētes Hoc aūt sacrificiū sicut pōtifex ●ed id ipsum semꝑ facimus Imo recordati onē sacrificij That ys to saye do we not dayly offer or do sacrafice yes suerlye But we do yt for the remembraunce of his deth for this sacrafic● ys as an example of that we offer not an other sacrafi●e as the bushop in the olde lawe did but euer the ●ame ye rather a remembraunce of the sacrafice Furst he sayeth that they daylye do sacrafice but yt ys in remembraunce of Christes d●th T●en he sayth that the sacrifice ys an example of that Thyr●●ye he sayth that they offer ●ot an other sacryfyce that ys to saye an oxe or a goote as the bushoppes of the olde lawe but euer the same● Merke thys poynte● for though yt seame at the fyrst syght to make with th●m yet doth yt make so derectlye agaynst them ● that they shall neuer be able to auoyd yt C●rysost●m● sayth they do not offer an other sacrify●e a● the bushoppes did but euer the s●me They o●fer other brede wyne thys da●e then they ●yd yesterdaye they shall saye an other ma●●e to morowe then they dyd thys daye Now yf thys brede and wyne or the masse be a sacrifyce ● then do they offer an other sacrifyce as well as the bushoppys of the olde lawe For thys sacrifyes dyd signifie that Christ shulde come and sh●d h●s b●oude ●s well as the bred wine and masse do represent that he hath done yt in dede And therfore yff yt be a sacrifyce then do they offer an other sacrifyce representyng hys passyon as well as the B●shop of the old lawe But that doth chrysost●me denye and sayth that ●hey offer euery day the same What same ver●●●e eu●n the same that was done and sacri●●●ed when Christe she● his bloude In thys sacrifyce ys Christe euery daye bounde and buffe●●d and lede from ●nna to Cayphas he ys brough● to Pyla●e and condempned he ys scorged and crowned with thorne nayled on t●e cross● and hys herte opeynned w t aspere and so sh●deth his bloude For our redempcion Why chrisostome and do you the seelfe same sacrifice euery daye ye verelie Thē why doth S. Paulle saye that christe ys risyn from deth and dieth no more yf he dye no more how do you daylie cruc●fye hym For sothe Paulle sayeth trouthe For we do yt not actuallye in dede but ●nly● in a misterie And yet we saye that we do sa●rifice hy● and that thys ys his sacryfice for the cel●b●a●iō of the sacramēt ād memorye of the passyō which we kepe for this cause yt hathe the name of the thy●ge that yt doth represent signifie And therfore I expo●nde my minde be a rethoricall corre●ti●n and saye Imo reco●dationē sacrifi●● that is to saye yee rather the remēbraū●e of the sacrifice Grauntmercy●s good Chrisostome now do I perceyue the pyth of thys matter euyn as the masse ys the very deth and passyō of christe so ys yt a sacryfice Now yt doth but onlye represent the verey deth passyō of