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A14450 A learned and excellent treatise containing all the principall grounds of Christian religion Set downe by way of conference in a most plaine and familiar manner. Written first in French by maister Mathew Virell, after translated into Latine: and now turned into English for the vse of our country-men.; Religion chrestienne declarée par dialogue. English Virel, Matthieu.; Egerton, Stephen, 1555?-1621? 1594 (1594) STC 24768; ESTC S119631 209,162 292

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the edification and saluation of the child Theoph. Why so Mat. First of all God is glorified for that he sheweth himselfe true in his promises by the which it is that he hath mercy vpon the faithfull euē to the thousand generation Moreouer the parent himselfe is wonderfully comforted confirmed in the loue of God whē he seeth that not onely he himselfe is beloued of God but also that the loue grace of God is deriued vnto his children which God assureth him of by that visible signe Finally cōcerning the child it hath a maruellous benefit bestowed vpō it that he doth so soone obtaine the partaking of Christ and his benefits by the which he hath the inheritance of eternall life By the remembrance whereof when he commeth to age he is wonderfully cōfirmed in the loue and feare of God namely whē he calleth to mind that he is so much esteemed of God that euen from his comming into the world he obtained fellowship in his couenant Theo. How the children of beleeuers lacking faith be partakers of Christ But how can a yong child by Baptisme be partaker of Christ and his benefites seeing it is certaine that he lacketh faith without which thou affirmedst before that no man can haue that felowship Mat. That indeed is true in those that be of yeares and in such as for their age may beleeue But God worketh in the childrē of the faithfull belonging to his couenant another way vnknowen vnto vs whō also the Apostle doubteth not to call holy 1. Cor. 7. 14. in so much as they cannot perish seeing they haue in them the seede of faith which verily in the due time worketh the effects in some sooner but in other later as it seemeth good to the Lord to call them Theoph. How the children of the godly be borne in originall sin I do now see that the children of the godly are to bee Baptized Notwithstanding I will yet propound one questiō before I go from the speech which I haue begun How can it be that those children of the faithfull should be borne defiled with originall sinne whose parents be cleansed from it Mat. Austen by an excellent similitude Austen de penit merit remis li. 3. cap. 18. answereth this question in these words Euen as the chaffe which by the helpe of man is seuered with great diligence frō the wheate that is threshed notwithstanding remaineth in the fruite which groweth of the sayd cleansed wheate being sowen so sinne that by Baptisme is cleansed in the parents remaineth in those whom they haue begotten Therfore our children except they be borne againe by a spirituall birth cannot bee accounted the children of God nor heires of eternall life CHAP. IIII. Of the Supper of the Lord. By the which God witnesseth that his couenāt is most certain toward vs for asmuch as by it he maketh vs more and more partakers of Christ and his benefites Theophilus HItherto hath bin spoken of Baptisme let vs now come to the Supper of the Lord and let vs begin at the institution of it Mat. Of the word Supper and the institution of it The Euangelistes shew that it was instituted of Christ the same night hee was betrayed after hee had supped and had eaten the Easter I am be according to the Law Theoph. I thinke it was thereupon called Supper Mat. It is called Supper of the Apostle not so much for this cause as to shew that it is indeede a spirituall Supper giuen of God vnto the faithful wherein he feedeth them with the body and bloud of Iesus Christ into the hope of eternall life Theoph. The three heads of the institution are to be examined of vs namely 1 The signes and Sacramentall rites 2 Their signification 3 And finally the likenesse or agreement between both Matth. The signes of the supper The signes are bread and wine which indeed do signifie the body and bloud of Christ Because the body and bloud of Christ haue that force and efficacie of feeding in our soules which bread and wine haue in our body And for this cause Christ often calleth himselfe the bread of life Iohn 6. Theoph. What difference makest thou betweene the bread and wine of the Supper and the bread and wine which we vse for our ordinarie meate and drinke Mat. In substance indeede none but in the vse and ministring of the Supper cōcerning which this I hold that the one are set before vs for the nourishmēt of the body but the other be ordained of God to be signes of the body and bloud of Christ The same also is to be thought of the water of Baptisme Theoph. Why there is a double signe in the Supper Why be there two signes in the Supper Matth. To the end we might know that in Christ we haue whole and perfect spirituall food that is whatsoeuer is requisite to our saluation It was also done for a fuller remembrance of his death For the wine that is the signe of his bloud doth as it were represent it before our eyes Theoph. Let vs come to the Sacramentall rite and signification of it Mat. It is double or two-fold 1 For the one respecteth the Minister 2 The other him which is is partaker of the Supper The Sacramentall rite of the Supper What is the duety of ministers in ministring the Supper The first is this to take the bread and to breake it whereby is signified that Christ with sufferings was broken for our redēption which himselfe declared in these words This is my body that is broken for you After to giue it being broken and to deliuer the wine in the cup by which rites is meant that God doth offer giue Christ vnto vs together with all his benefites The duetie of them that come to the Lords Table The later rite is that he which commeth to the Supper should receiue eate and drinke the bread and wine giuen vnto him which indeede doth signifie that in the Supper we do truely receiue Christ eate his body and drinke his bloud by the which we are nourished into the hope of eternall life if we do not cast him from vs through vnbeliefe Theoph. What is it to eate the body of Christ Mat. To be so nearely ioyned with his body as is the meate which we eate with our owne body Theoph. What is it to drinke the bloud of the Lord Mat. To be as truly partakers of his death passiō as if we our selues had suffered the same And this doth our Sauiour of Christ meane whē he saith Verily verily I say vnto you except you eate the flesh of the sonne of man and drinke his bloud you haue no life in you He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my bloud hath eternall life But this is to be remembred which wee spake before in the Chapter of Faith namely that by the merit of Christes death represented in the holie Supper by wine that signifieth his bloud
corner stone elect precious in whom whosoeuer beleeueth shall not be ashamed Hee addeth also out of the Psalme The stone which the builders refused is made the head of the corner that is to say vpholdeth all the building Theoph. Hitherto we haue heard sufficiently of the second thing testified in the praise of the church wee must come to the third Why is it called the mother of vs all Mat. First because God therein hath begotten vs with the incorruptible seede of his word And then because he hath put vs ouer vnto it as to a speciall good mother to be guided and brought vp that wee may daily wax elder in faith vntill we come to the inheritance of our heauenly father Wherefore whosoeuer refuse the gouernment of this mother can neither haue God for their father nor claime to themselues any right in his inheritance Theoph. Why the Church is called holy Let vs consider the verie words of the creed and first of all Why is the Church called holy Mat. For two causes the first whereof and the chiefest is this because as Paule speaketh It is sanctified after that hee hath cleansed it by the washing of Ephe. 5. 26. water through the word As if he should say that it was made cleane from all sinne by the precious bloud of Christ which is daily presented vnto vs both in the word and in the Sacraments The other cause is for that the members of it which indeede are regenerated of the holy Ghost and sanctified do apply themselues diligently to holinesse of life wherein by the benefit of the ministerie of the Church they go forward euerie day somewhat Notwithstanding in themselues it is certaine they bee defiled with manie filthinesses and sinnes which indeed are not imputed vnto them for they are partakers of Christes merit by whose helpe they obtaine forgiuenesse of sinnes Theoph. Let vs come to the other title of the church why is it called catholicke or vniuersall Mat. Why the Chuch is called catholicke That wee may vnderstand it is not now tyed to anie certaine place or people as wee read it was vnder the Law before the comming of Christ but that it is dispersed and scattered throughout the whole world and distinguished into manie members which are particular Churches gathered together in sundre places which notwithstanding make one bodie of the Church for they bee endued with the same faith and hope in Christ Theoph. Of the church before Christ It may seeme then that the Church which was before the comming of Christ was diuerse from ours Mat. Thou gatherest ill for although in some circūstances it differed from ours yet it was one Church in substāce for as much as both of them acknowledge 1 One and the selfe same father God 2 One Iesus Christ redeemer and mediator 3 Because also that old Church had the same hope with vs namely to obtaine saluation by faith in him by the which faith the beleeuers euen then cōmunicated with his bodie and therefore were partakers of all his gifts 4 Because they had the same ministery of the word and sacraments with vs as concerning the substance Theoph. But how could this bee that the faithfull should bee partakers of the true body of Christ which was not yet borne Mat. It was then indeede spiritually receiued by faith as it is this day of vs this only is the difference that our faith looketh to Christ now lōg ago manifested but the faith of those auncients looked to Christ which was not then come Neither were they therfore excluded from the true partaking of him For all things are present with God Hence is that of Iohn The Lambe meaning Christ slaine euen from the Apoc. 13. 8. foundations of the world Christ also confirmeth the selfe same thing when he saith Ioh. 8. 56. Abraham reioyced to see this my daie and he saw it and was glad Theoph. But be there anie places of scripture whereby this may bee determined that the faithfull which were vnder the law were in deed and truly partakers of Christes body Math. 1. Cor. 10. 3 There be For Paule saith That all the fathers did eate the same spirituall foode with vs and that they all dranke the same spirituall drinke for they dranke of the spirituall rocke that followed them and that rocke was Christ By which wordes hee meaneth that the fathers by their Sacraments did no lesse communicate with the body of Christ and his gifts thē we do at this day by outs Theoph. What therefore is the difference betweene their and our church Mat. There be reckoned not one but foure 1 First because the old church did set forth Christ his death and resurrection darkely by certaine outward ceremonies as sacrifices lights washings and such other Col. 2. 17. which of the same Apostle are called shadowes of things to come but the body is Christ Wherefore seeing that by his comming hee hath put an end vnto those ceremonies he hath now laide himselfe open vnto vs farre more plainly For he commeth forth as it were in the mid-day abounding with his gifts that euerie one may see and know them For this cause the Apostle compareth the fathers which liued vnder the Law vnto children which did learne as it were their letters and first grounds to giue vs to vnderstand that wee may be called learned and skilfull if we be compared with them This therefore is the first difference Theoph. Declare the second Mat. This consisteth in reformation of life for as the knowledge of Christ is greater so also the efficacy and working of the holy Ghost is farre greater which mortifieth our flesh so as we do more earnestly obey his commandements according to the promises declared by the Prophets This is the couenant Ier. 31. 33. which I will make with the house of Israell After those daies saith the Lord I will put my Law in their inward Eze. 36. 27. parts and will write it in their hearts I will put my Spirit within you and wil cause you to walke in my statutes and to keepe my iudgements that you may do them Yet not that the godly before the comming of Christ were without the Spirit of regeneration but that we might be taught how the Lord in the very cōming of Christ by whose bloud hee renewed the couenant with vs did more aboundantly bestow his giftes vpon his people For this cause the Lord did suffer not a few blemishes of the Israelites which among vs were not to be borne no otherwise then as a most wise Father will beare with many childish faults of his sons as long as they be children but when they be come to yeares he will in no case beare them Theoph. I would haue thee shew me some example Mat. Mat. 19. 8. I will alledge one The bill of diuotsement which was nothing else but a libertie to put away the wife euen for the smallest cause But the Lord affirmeth
the sonnes of Helie Experience also confirmeth the thing of stubburne disobedient children for they be for the most part seene either in prisons or vpon the gallowes Contrariwise the well aduised and obedient for the most part haue long life with great quietnesse and peace But if at any time it fall out to be otherwise we must remember that all the promises of God concerning earthly things be with condition namely so farre forth as he shall know them to be expedient both for his owne glorie and for our saluation When therefore God doth betimes call his out of this life vnto himselfe he prouideth farre better for them then if he gaue them long life For he taketh them from the miseries of this world and putteth them into the possession of eternall life On the other side sometimes he giueth the wicked long life but so weake and full of miserie that it is more grieuous then death it selfe For this cause Moses repeating the law of God Deut. 6. 2. declareth that promise in these wordes That it may be well with thee vpon the land which c. But if it fall out otherwise it was for the cause which was at large set forth by vs when we intreated of afflictions For in that place we taught wherefore the Lord will haue the wicked somtimes to liue long happily in this world and the godly to suffer all kind of afflictions Yet notwithstanding that saying of Salomon abideth true Although Eccles 8. 12 the sinner commit euill an hundred times and God prolongeth his dayes yet I know that it shall be well with them that feare the Lord. The sixt Commandement Thou shalt not kill Theoph. Hauing finished the treatise of the fift commandement we are now to come to the sixt How many parts be there of it Mat. Two 1 First the forbidding of murther 2 The commanding of keeping peace and friendship with our neighbours Theoph. How large is the word killing Mat. The exposition of the first part It containeth all the degrees and steps by the which we come to it yea indeed all those things by the which we are procured stirred to commit murther according to the third rule Theoph. Rehearse those steps or degrees Mat. They be three The first whereof is hatred conceiued in the heart forasmuch as it is in plaine words forbidden in Moses Thou shalt not hate thy brother in Leu. 19. 17. thy heart Theoph. What if our enemie be a wicked man is it not lawfull to hate him Matth. We may indeed hate his sinnes but not his person But we must diligently beware of two extremities wherein we do sinne on either side The first is that we hate not the person of the sinner The other that we loue not the sinne for the persons sake Theoph. Let vs come to the second degree by the which we come to murther Matth. It is anger for it is a declaration of the hatred lying hid in the heart Theoph. Thinkest thou it to be altogether vnlawfull to be angry with any Mat. I do not thinke so for anger is a naturall affection wherein if moderation be kept it deserueth as much prayse as the two extremities deserue disprayse Theoph. What is that moderation Matth. When with zeale for the glory of God or with iust sorrow we be angry because iniurie is done vnto vs without our desert that keeping a meane with this caution that we neither speake nor do any thing that is against the honour of God Christian modestie and the loue of our neighbour In which sence Paule commandeth Ephes 4. 26. Be angry and sinne not Theoph. Let vs consider of the two extremities of anger and first let vs speake of that which sinneth in exceeding Mat. We doe then fall into it when we be angry rashly that is without a lawfull cause or else when being moued for a iust cause we do passe the bounds of moderation speaking or doing the things that be against the honour of God neighbourly charitie and Christian modestie But that falleth out when we be so taken vp with that affection that the iudgemēt is troubled and reason it selfe is darkened for then for a time we are like vnto mad mē that know not what they do For this cause Iames saith Iam. 1. 20. The wrath of man performeth not the righteousnesse of God Theoph. Let vs come to the other extremitie How do we sinne in the defect or want of anger Matth. When perceiuing that God is offended or our credit hurt without cause we are notwithstanding not moued as our dutie requireth which would haue vs not to suffer euils but that according to our callings we should set our selues against them Hence it was that Moses was so angry in the wildernesse with the Israelites whom he saw worshipping the golden Calfe with the Idolatrous worships Iohn Baptist with the Scribes and Pharisies and Iacob with his father in law Laban Moses indeede being moued with most iust anger drew out the sword because he was a Magistrate Iohn vsed most sharpe and vehement reprehensions because he was a minister of Gods word and had to do with hypocrites and men hardened in their sinnes Iacob dealeth with moderate and gentle admonitions because he was a priuate person and his owne matter was in question Theoph. The third step by the which men come to murther is behind Matth. It is euery hurt offered to the person of our neighbour whereupō also sometimes ensueth murther it selfe which fault is indeed most grieuous in the sight of God as appeareth by that which the Lord saith that he abhorreth the man-slayer and by the penaltie appointed by himselfe vnto men-killers For he ordained that not onely men but also the very brute beasts that had slaine man should be put to death For which cause he forbad his people the eating of bloud Leuit. 7. 26. for by that ceremonie he would shew how much he abhorred the shedding of bloud and therefore murther Theoph. Is there any speciall cause which maketh murther to be esteemed so hainous a sin before God Matth. There is and he doth declare it himselfe in the ninth Chapter of Genesis For after these wordes Who so sheddeth mans bloud by mans his bloud shall be shed presently he addeth because in the image of God made he man By which words he teacheth that his owne image which he hath engrauen in man is wronged and misused by man-slaughter Theoph. But whether was that image or likenesse of God blotted out in man by originall sinne as it hath beene sayd by thee in the second Chapter of the former booke Mat. It was indeede but not so farre that there be no steps of it at all remaining for the spirituall gifts as one of the auncients saith giuen of God to men for their saluation were by original sinne taken away such as be the true knowledge of his Maiestie and of the worship due vnto him But the
not of the ceremonial Likewise also in the Epistle to the Galathians where he doth especially entreat of the ceremonies hee alleadgeth both the sentences of Moyses namely the curse to those that fulfil not the whole law and life to those that keep it And in the former indeed hee teacheth that so many as trust to the workes of the Law to be iustified by them be vnder the curse because they cannot wholly and fully keepe it But in the other he declareth that there is so much differēce betweene the law and faith that if any man bee iustified by faith hee cannot in any sort obtaine it by the Law But it is certain that as well the curse threatned to the transgressors of the Law as the promise to eternal life made to such as fulfill it are not to be restrained to the ceremonies alone but also are to bee referred to the morall Law and that too by more right for as much as God as Hosea saith preferreth mercy before sacrifice Hos 5. 7. Moreouer after the Apostle in the secōd chapter of the Epistle to the Ephesians hath affirmed that wee are saued by grace through faith and that not of our selues he addeth but of the gift of God not of workes least any man should boast himselfe Which wor is do most euidently shew that the Apostle speaketh not of the ceremoniall works but of morall which giue men far more large matter of boasting then the ceremoniall doe Finally when he writeth to Titus Tit. 3. ● that wee are saued not by the works of righteousnesse which we haue done but by the mercy of God who seeth not that the Apostle doth especially entreate of morall works to whom the title of righteousnesse agreeth far better then to the ceremoniall Which things being so there is no doubt but that the Apostle whensoeuer he speaketh of the workes of the Law to proue that we are neither saued nor iustified by them doth no lesse meane the morall then the ceremoniall yea rather that he doth shut out both from the cause of saluation and righteousnesse Theoph. But why be they so often called of him the workes of the Law Matth. To teach that if the workes commanded of God and euen contained in his own law be to no purpose to iustifie vs that the works commanded and deuised by men are much lesse able and fit to do it Theoph. Why God gaue a Law that we cannot keepe Now do I agree vnto thee For I perceiue that we are neither iustified nor saued by workes neither in the whole nor in part as hath beene diligently proued by thee And verily vnlesse I be deceiued there is great iniury done to the glory of God while mē go about to darken the force power of his grace and mercie mingling the same with the filthinesse of our works But seeing the matter is so why did God giue the morall law Mat. Of the vse of the Law The Apostle witnesseth Gal. 3. 21. 12. that it was not to the end we should be iustified or saued by it For he sayth If there had bene a Lawe giuen that could haue giuen life surely righteousnesse should haue bene by the Law But the Scripture hath concluded all vnder sinne that the promise by the faith of Iesus Christ should be giuē to them that beleeue Notwithstanding it is not vnprofitable to the faithfull nay rather they do reape a double commoditie by it wherein bee comprehended the ends for the which God gaue it vnto vs. I sayd to the The vse of the Law in respect of the vnfaithfull faithfull because it hath this onely worke toward the vnbeleeuers that their condemnatiō may be the more heauie for as much as comming to the knowledge of Gods will by it they do willingly run into the contrarie Theoph. Let vs consider of that double commoditie which thou saydest the beleeuers reape by it declare the first Mat. It is noted by the Apostle in the Epistle to the Galathians For after that he hath shewed that we can Gal. 3. 19. not attaine saluation by the Law he addeth wherfore then serueth the Law It was added because of the transgressions that is that by the helpe of it we might acknowledge our sinnes as the same Apostle in another place expoundeth it in these words By the Law Rom. 3. 20. commeth the knowledge of sin For if we do examine our works by that perfection which the Law requireth of vs then it shall appeare most euidently how manie waies wee be guilty before God and therefore what fearefull condemnation we haue deserued Theoph. But what profite haue we by that Mat. Much. For as a sicke man except he throughly feele his sickenes and perceiue present danger will not go to the Phisition euen so the feeling of our sins and the danger of eternall death which we see hangeth ouer our heads driueth vs to seeke for that true Phisition of our soules Christ Iesus from whome by faith wee may receiue the remedie offered vs in the Gospell which otherwise we would haue neglected Therefore Paul saieth The Law was our schoolemaister Gal. 3. 24. to bring vs vnto Christ And in another place Christ is the end of the Law for righteousnesse vnto Rom. 10. 4. euerie one that beleeueth And this is the first commoditie which we haue by the Law Theoph. Shew briefly the other Math. After that wee be regenerated and therefore made fitte to do good workes then the Law teacheth vs whatsoeuer is to be performed of vs that we may obey God For although we can not come to the perfection whereunto it leadeth vs yet we must set it before our eies as a marke whereat we are to leuell continually that daily more and more we may striue to hit it Hereunto appertaineth that exhortation of Christ Bee ye perfect as your father which is in heauen is Mat. 5. 48. perfect The Law therefore is as it were a glasse wherin we may behold the spots of our soule and so indeed be compelled by faith to wash them away in Christes bloud Moreouer it is a lanterne vnto our feete which guideth vs that wee goe not out of the right way from the path of righteousnesse Theoph. Seeing good works be not the cause of saluation it seemeth to follow that they bee altogether vnprofitable and therefore that we neede not to bee greatly carefull of them Matth. It followeth not For God hath deliuered vs out of the hands of our spirituall enemies namely the Deuill and sinne saieth Zacharie Luk. 1. 74. that we should serue him with holinesse and righteousnesse in his sight all the daies of our life Paul also cōfirmeth the same thing in the Epistle to the Ephesians Ephes 2. 8. 9 10. For after that he hath affirmed that we are saued by grace through faith and that not of our selues it was the gift of God not of workes presently he addeth For wee are his
Cōmuniō of the body of Christ Which words do indeed signifie no other thing but that wee should vnderstand the bread and wine to bee most certaine signes of our Communion and felowship with Christs body and bloud And that doth altogether agree with my exposition Moreouer that is the meaning of these words This is my body which is of these This is my bloud But Luke expoundeth them thus This cup is Luc. 22. 20. that new Testament by my bloud which is shed for you The same exposition also did Paul follow repeating the wordes of the institution And this maner of speach can not admit any other sense without iniurie and violence done to the wordes but that we say that the wine offered in the up is a most sure pledge of the new couenant which God hath made with vs by the precious bloud of Christ The same therefore is to be said of the bread namely that it is a most sure pledge of the vnion which we haue with the body of Christ Theoph. Concerning the first part thou hast satisfied me it followeth that we come to the other Mat. In it I said that the exposition which I brought had no absurditie For there is no let but that we may trulie eate the body of Christ and drinke his bloud to our saluation Yea the foure absurdities which I spake of euen now be auoided For the signes retaine their owne nature The bloud of Christ is not separated from his body The truth of his humanitie ascention and sitting at the right hand of the Father remaineth safe Finally the vnbeleeuers are not partakers of his body and bloud Theoph. Why Christ vsed those wordes and no other in the institutiō of the Supper If that were the meaning of Christ why did he not expresse it in plainer words and lesse doubtfull Mat. He could not expresse that promise in fewer more significant wordes for if he had said This is a pledge or signe of my body there had beene no promise It had therefore beene necessary for him to haue vsed long circumstances of words after this manner I do assure that this bread and this wine doe represent vnto you my body and bloud that as often as you receiue these visible signes you shal be truly and indeede partakers of the things whereof they be signes And this kinde of speach had not beene of such force and weight as that is which he vsed This is my bloud for it compasseth all those things vnder it but with a greater maiestie And for this cause the holy Ghost vsed a like The confirmation of the former interpretation kind of speach in the Sacraments of the old Testamēt in that it giueth the name of the thing signified to the signs themselues to teach vs that such as receiue worthelie be truly partakers of the thing signified Theoph. Declare that vnto me particularly in some Sacraments of the old Church Matth. Gen. 17. 9 10. 11. First God meaning to assure Abraham and his posteritie that Circumcisiō was vnto them a most certaine signe that they were reckened in his couenāt calleth it his couenant The same also saith Moses of Exo. 12. 11. the Sacrament of the passouer For hee calleth it the Lordes passeouer to giue vs to vnderstand that it was a most certaine token of the good will of God which the Israelites had experience of when the Angell destroied the first borne of the Egiptians and passed ouer their houses without touching them whereof the passeouer was a Sacrament The. Indeed these kinds of speaking do come somewhat neare to the words of Christ vsed in the institution of the holy Supper But I aske of thee if there bee any altogether like vnto them and that haue the same meaning with that which thou hast alledged Mat. There be For the Apostle speaking of the Sacraments which the father 's vsed in the wildernesse saith 1. Cor. 10. 4. that the rocke that is the water which Moyses had not without miracle brought out of stone was Christ To teach that it was vnto them a most effectuall Sacrament of the Communiō and fellowship which they had with Christ For the same Apostle affirmeth that the fathers did eate the same spirituall meat with vs and dranke the same spirituall drinke Loe therefore a manner of speach altogether like to that which Christ vsed in the institution of the Supper and which hath the same interpretatiō with that which I brought a little before Yea and that more is there is vse of this kinde of speach not onely in the Scripture but also in our common talke for if a king will forgiue an offender the punishment of his faultes deliuering vnto him his letters patents confirmed by his hand writing and seale he will say behold thy pardon And yet he meaneth not that the letters patents bee his pardon but onely a certaine testimonie of his pardon And this similitude very excellently agreeth with the sacramēts that be as it were seales of the word as the Apostle testifieth speaking of circumcision for hee calleth it the seale of the righteousnesse of faith Theoph. I doe now see that thy interpretation doeth expresse the true meaning of Christs words I do also graunt that by those words Christ assureth vs that we are as verily partakers of his body and bloud as we do receiue the bread and wine But how can that be vnderstandest thou that his body is shut vp or inclosed in the bread and his bloud in the wine Matt. Against the error of consubstantiation No not so for the words themselues cannot any way beare it for Christ must haue said my body is with this bread and my bloud is with this wine Secondly wee should make a carnall eating which should lead vs to the three latter absurdities reckened vp of vs when we spake of transubstantiation namely that the bloud of Christ should bee seuered from his bodie that his body should be insinite and finally that the wicked comming to the supper should communicate with the body and bloud of Christ and therefore should obtaine euerlasting life Moreouer Christ himselfe doth teach the contrarie for vnto his disciples iudging the speach which he had of eating his body to he hard he answereth thus It is the spirit that giueth life the flesh profiteth nothing The words that I speak vnto you are spirit and life By which words he declareth most euidently that hee speaketh not of any carnall but of spirituall eating Theoph. Thou hast affirmed before that Christ in that place did not speake of the eating which is in the supper but of that which is spiritually by faith Matth. Of the eating of Christs body and drinking his bloud Euer as the Scripture doth set before vs one Christ so it sheweth one way how to eate his flesh and drinke his bloud that is whereby wee may bee made one with him to be partakers of all his benefites and this is spiritually