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A49979 News of a trumpet sounding in the wilderness, or, The Quakers antient testimony revived, examined and compared with itself, and also with their new doctrine whereby the ignorant may learn wisdom, and the wise advance in their understandings / collected with diligence, and carefully cited from their antient and later writings, and recommended to the serious reading and consideration of all enquiring Christians, by Daniel Leeds. Leeds, Daniel, 1652-1720. 1697 (1697) Wing L914; ESTC R11241 77,230 166

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not mortal So that VV. Penn in his Address to Protestants vaunts at the Priests for their Clink Clank And S. Fisher mocks at them for their SO NO But the Priests may now face about and vaunt at the Quakers for their Clink Clank and mock at them for their NO SO. Therefore behold the ingenious Figure of NO SO with some Verses that Sam. Fisher inserts in pag. 773. of Rusticus which are now pertinently truly and justly to be turned back again upon these Quakers viz. Sometimes it s this sometimes it s that Sometimes it s this and this and that Sometimes it s either this or that Sometimes it s neither this nor that One while it looks like SO not NO Another while like NO not SO One way it seems or SO or NO Another way nor NO nor SO Some ways it shews both SO and NO So 't is a meer Endless NO and SO. You have observed before the Clashes Contradictions Sayings Gainsayings false Doctrines of these men one contradicting the other and many times the same man contradicting himself So pray observe once more how G. Whitehead dances the Rounds as S. Fisher says in his Appendix to J. Owen For in his Introduction to Divinity of Christ he defines a Person to be a Man and a Man to be a Person And in Qrs. plainness p. 19. confesses Jesus Christ to be a Man but not a Person p. 23.24 Again That Jesus Christ is a Man whose glorious Body in Heaven is not a humane or mans Body yet as in Numb 35. declares it to be the same Body that dyed and yet deny● Christ to have the Body of Man Thus as S. Fisher says p. 773. Now it is One thing then Another And now and then nor t 'one nor t'other Numb 40. G F's Great My●t p 206 131 250. If Christ th●● crucified be not within that Christ that 's risen be not within If 〈◊〉 are all Reproba●es The Apostles preached Christ that 's crucified within and not another for the ●●the is the Antichrist And thou sayst thou are saved by Christ without the● and so hast recorded ●oy self a Reprobate A●● 〈◊〉 in the fancy that he out of the state of witnessing Christ that suffered within them and rose again Answ to Dr. Lancaster They own Christ that was crucified without the Gates did visibly ascend into Heaven and answ to W Harworth is in Heaven in a Body of Flesh circumscribed and not in every place where God is Note While they justifie their old Doctrine and the new not being free but streined out we must take it as G. W. tells F. B. That they may intend the same only now se●●● cause Otherwise to word it Numb 41. G W's Light Life of Christ p. 58. he there defend this Passage viz The Blood that was forced out of him Christ by the Souldier after he was dead was no more than the Blood of another Saint Ans to Dr. Lancaster The whole sacrifice of Christ whereof his Blood outwardly shed was a part was of great price with God for mans Redemption Note the Contradiction or the Craft Numb 42. Ibid. Light and Life p. 38. The Quakers see no need of directing men to the Type for the Anti-Type viz. neither to the outward Temple nor to Jerusalem either Jesus Christ or his blood knowing that neither the Righteousness of Faith nor the Word of it doth so direct And where do the Scriptures say the Blood was there shed for Justification and that men must be directed to Jerusalem to it Ans to Dr. Lancaster We sincerely believe in Jesus Christ as born of the Virgin Mary Christs Blood that was shed without the Gates of Jerusalem with the whole Sacrifice of himself both Soul Body was a true Propitiation through Faith c. Note here G. W. s●●h opposing his Old Doctrine now sees cause to word the matter Otherways Numb 43. J. W's Refuge fixt p. 90. I have several times saith he denyed that Christ hath now a Body of Flesh and Bones circumscript or limitted in that Heaven which is out of every man on Earth Let these 2 Brother Whiteheads reconcile their Doctrine Ans to W. Harworth as above at Numb 34 35 G. W. declares the same body of Christ which was put to death ascerced into Heaven and is still in being though made spiritual yet a circumscribed Body not in every place where God is Numb 44. G. W's Light Life p. 39 47. As for those Expressions saith he God Man being born of Mary we do not find them in the Scriptures nor do we read that Mary was the Mother of God but in the Popes Canons c. What Non-sence and Vnscriptural Language is this to tell of God being to Creator with the Father or that God had Glory with God! doth not this imply two Gods or that God had a Father Ans to Dr. Lancaster as above We believe in Jesus Christ both as he is true God and perfect Man and a● he was conceived by the holy ghost born of the Virgin Mary Note here G. W. in contradiction to himself owns Mary to be the Mother of God-Man and God to be his Father And if he implys two Gods thereby I cannot help it seeing he now sees cause so to word the matter Numb 45. G. W's Qrs. plainness p ●9 That Jesus Christ is come in the flesh That he is God-man c. Note how inconsistent G. W. is with himself he Quarrels with the word God-man before but here he uses it Numb 46. G. F's Great Mystry p 289 God was in Christ and they are one the Creator the Father in the Son and the Son in the Father and Christ in you and God in Christ the Creator And in Qrs. plainness p. 24. G. W there says The Son is co-worker with the Father Light and Life as before what Non-sense is this says G. W. to tell of God being co-Creator with the Father Note Does not G. W. here accuse both G. F. and himself also with Non-sense for what 's the difference between Co-worker and Co-Creator Numb 47. Paper against J. ● London 6 m. 1670 And we also testifie That ● any Person whatsoever shall act or speak any thing that is evil under pretence of a motion from the Spirit of God we utterly deny that Motion to be of God G F's Great Mystry p. 77. And as for any being moved of the Lord to take your i.e. Priests Hour-glass from you by the eternal Power it is owned Note here the Father G. Fox Justifies what is Fellony by the Law But his London Children are so bold as to controul him Numb 48. If Pennington's Que. p 33 Now the Scriptures do expresly distinguish between Christ the Garment which he wore between him that came and the body in which he came between the Substance which was vailed and the Vail which vailed it there was plainly HE and the Body in-which HE came this we certainly know and can
discern But which is to be lamented some are so blinded by their Preachers crying out All is Lyes that they 'll scarce believe th●se things No not this of Rob. Ewer tho Publickly proved Take one Passage more for Infallible Discerning from Richard Hubberthorns Works patroniz'd by G. W. and others p. 21● he there tells a Priest That they are Lyars that say the Ministers of the Gospel do not know who are Elect for they could discern the Elect from the World So these Teachers that know not the Elect says he and yet exhort all their Hearers to believe and lay hold on Christ their preaching i● vain And these Priests says he tho' they take Sums of Money of their Hearers yet they know not who are elect among them Come on my old Friends come prove your selves try your selves and let us know next time you print whether by this your Rule there be one Gospel Minister now left amongst you But to wheel round about and knock all down again W. Penn says in his Rebuke p 22. We ascribe not Infallabili● to Men but to the Grace of God and to men SO FAR as they are led by it Behold Reader and note this Rhetorick well For are not other Professors yea ALL men in the world SO FAR ●nfailable as well as Quakers here W. P. has given away the Quakers cause and set them on even ground with others But says G. W. I cannot give away our cause for we have sufficient evidence of discerning of Spirits Timerous R●viler p. 3. Thus George thinks fit to keep up his Confidence with bare Say so 's though he cannot but know that the world knows his Say so 's to be false And I have known a silly Women cheat their pretended Spirit of discerning who travelled from Meeting to Meeting through several Counties being bravely received entertained by Friends und●scerned till discovered to be no Quaker by others And such things as these has made them find out a way to help their Spirit of Discerning by admitting none now to travel on Truths account as they call it without Certificates so that tho' G. W. in Qua. plainness c. tells us They have a Record in Peoples Consciences yet now they must have a Record in their Pockets or else I 'll assure them their Friends will not receive them by their Conscience Record Let them deny this if they dare and tell me how many Friends comes over Sea hither or goes hence to other Countries to preach by their Consc●ences Record without their Pocke● Record And thus is G. W 's Dec it seen with their Sufficient Eviden● of Spirituall Discerning aforesaid Ba● had almost forgot how that of late years their infa●●ibility seems to be run out of particular Persons into the Body of Friends or Church as G W demonstrates in his Apost n●end p. 4 16. there he declares them the Quakers To be THE People and Church of God and so to be Infallible and CANNOT ERR no● be deceived But where is this Body of Church sure not that Meeting of Ministers at Robert Ewer's House in Philadelphia No Sam. Jenings lets us know 't is at London for in his Speech at that Yearly Meeting 1694 he declared That the Meeting in America depended on that at London So then it seems the Me●●ings else-where are but Members of that Body at London and 't is clear that the Members so depend on the Body that if the Body dyes the Members cannot live This indeed is the Foundation Principle of Old Rome And here Samuell Je●ings has shewed us where New-Rome is Indeed I lately read how that the Quakers in England presented six Publick Addresses to the late King James in four years time but in five years that King WILLIAM had reigned they had not presented one to him And dous not this then shew that those Quakers who thus addressed King James are as near a kin to the Papists as Sam Jenings I also read one thing more viz. That the Pope once set up Womens Meetings for the increase of Faith among the Waldenses and I cannot find that ever any else has done the like beside Geo. Fox c. and yet I have searched the Scriptures and some Church Histories too and 't is pitty that they have no other President but the Pope for those Meetings are certainly of service in Deeds of Charity and Hospitality In divers other things there seems a very great Harmony between Old Rome and Sam. Jenings's New Rome which I am not desirous to repeat now This know for certain Friends that the way to recover the deceived is to discover lay open and witness against the Deceivers see T. Elwood's Epist p. 72. Therefore since this Truth has chanced to drop from T. E's Pen I shall add that though my old Friends oft bless themselves thus viz. WE are redeemed from a vain Life Conversation more than any Society in Christendom WE are the ONLY Pro●essors of Truth and WE are in the Truth and ALL OTHER Professors are OUT of the Truth Land so says the Pharisees We are not as other men We give Alms We Fast twice a week c. Yet I must now say for them We Quakers do not nor never did out-do the Papists in general as to Life Conversation but herein the Righteousness of Papists Quakers doth so harmonize that it made the late King James say as I have an account in his discourse one with R. Barclay That if he were disposed to change his Religion he would turn Quaker No marvel then why But I cannot well o● it giving one instance more about the Foundation Principle of Old R●me or top stone of Popery See Plain Dealing c. by P. Living stone page 12 20 22 where treating about that he calls the form of Truth viz. giving the Hand the Hat and going to Meetings he says Friends that stand in the Life and are in the Body know that there is not NOR CANNOT be preservation out of the Body for they that are out of the Body of Friends are out of the Faith And the Lord hath chosen the Quakers a peculiar People above ALL People upon the Earth and we are to turn to no other People c. Mark just so the Papists say There is no Salvation or Preservation out of the Body or Church And that they must believe as the Church believes or they cannot be saved as he further says p. 23. They that believe not as the true Church believes CANNOT be saved but this we know of an infallible Certainty that WE being faithful in the Truth those that are gone from us are of another Spirit and Not of the Faith of the TRVE Church The very same the Papists say WE are the true Church and All that are gone from us are not of the Faith of the true Church Pray consider where these Quakers are And also whether Old Rome can lay a greater Necessity on such low exteenal Ceremonies as the Hand