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B20542 Believers-baptism from heaven, and of divine institution Infants-baptism from earth, and human invention. Proved from the commission of Christ, the great law-giver to the gospel-church. With a brief, yet sufficient answer to Thomas Wall's book, called, Baptism anatomized. Together with a brief answer to a part of Mr. Daniel William's catechism, in his book unto youth. By Hercules Collins, a servant of the servants of Christ. Collins, Hercules, d. 1702. 1691 (1691) Wing C5360; ESTC R224066 50,763 158

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World about the aforesaid Persons in the Year 1520 is as follows There was a Conspiracy of Husbandmen against the Bishop and Canons which began from two Rusticks hence called the Clowns and Rustick War The principal Article was That they should shake off every Yoke for their Exactions and Oppressions were very great some did pay more Rent yearly to their Lords than their Farms were worth And albeit the Boors pleaded first for their Civil Liberties yet after cried up for Gospel-Liberty as appears from Luther's Admonition and Reprehension of them for using the Sword to obtain it It may be supposed many of them knew very little of the Gospel though others might but both Papists and Protestants conspired against the Cruelty of their Lords Hence you have John of Leyden's words Some are called Princes but are indeed Tyrants they care not for you they take your Goods and spend them wickedly in Pride and Riot And for light Causes make Wars which destroy all the Poor have left In the place of Widows and Orphans they maintain the Bishop of Rome's Authority and Wickedness of the Clergy Where Youth should be brought up in Learning and the Poor relieved they establish the Merchandize of Massing and other Abominations Think you God will suffer these any longer we ought rather to die than to allow their Wickedness and suffer the Doctrine of the Gospel to be taken from us Luther confess'd much of this to be true and largely admonished Magistrates to their Duty tho he reproved them who made the Insurrection Philip Landgrave of Hesse did confess the things they were accused of were true and many things ought to be amended yet said It was not lawful to rise against their Prince unto whom God had given the Sword But we know Oppression as Solomon says makes a wise Man mad especially when Civil and Spiritual Liberties are invaded How few good People condemned the Undertaking of the Duke of Monmouth when he came to deliver us from Popery and Slavery Very few good People but rejoice in our present Condition tho won by the Sword The Switzers their Neighbours had done the like before and succeeded And had Geneva miscarried or any of the famous Men among the Cantons they and their Religion might have fallen under as much Obloquy And had the Church of England miscarried in the bringing in our present King whom God cause long to reign no People would have been under greater Reproach in the World by some sort of Men though done to preserve their Civil and Ecclesiastical Liberties out of the Hands of Papists The things the Munsterians demanded were 1. To have liberty to chuse such Preachers as might preach God's Word without mixture of Mens Traditions 2. Pay no Tithes but of Corn only and the same to be distributed according to the discretion of good Men. 3. They refuse not to obey a Magistrate knowing that he is ordained of God but cannot endure to be kept in Bonds unless it be shewed reasonable in Scripture 4. Eased of these Oppressions because some did pay more Rent yearly unto their Lords than their Farms were worth 5. That those things which were not a particular Man's Property might be free for Building Firing Hunting Fishing c. The Papists to this day do reflect upon the whole Reformation of Calvin Luther Zuinglius c. upon as good grounds as the Protestants have since reflected upon the Baptists because several of their Perswasion were concern'd in that Attempt for Freedom as 't is well known many good Men of most Perswasions of the Church of England Presbyterians Independents Baptists were zealously concerned in the D. of Monmouth's Time and many fell as thousands of those did in Westphalia But know Victory is no Argument of the best Cause nor best Men nor a Defeat an Argument of a bave Cause and bad Men for God's own Church and People have fled often before the Heathens and Infidels Love nor Hatred is known by External Providences Eccles 9. Many times it fares with the Wicked as the Godly and with the Godly as the Wicked in outward things as Divine Wisdom pleaseth No better Men in the World than some which fell in the Duke's Cause in the West yet by the hands of one of the most debauched Armies that ever was in the World And if we think to know these things they are too wonderful for us as they were for David Psal 73.16 And as to those horrible Things which are said to have been in the City of Munster in Westphalia from the Year 1532 to 1536. by John of Leyden in Holland and Matthias Gnipper-doling it is manifest from several Authors that the first stir in that City was about the Protestant Reformation the Synod siding with Mr. Rotomon and others of the Ministers who were for the Reformation against the Papists and their Bishops and Canons John of Leyden Jo. Matthias and Jo. Becold came after this Insurrection began John of Leyden by Arguments had made Mr. Rotomon who was for Pedobaptism a Proselyte for Believers-Baptism and died in that Cause in Munster He by Preaching brought over a great part of the City to own this Principle He sent Letters to the Landgrave and a Book of his Doctrine which Luther opposed and he opposed Luther as he did the Bp. of Rome And it was no wonder Luther opposed him who died in the practice of Pedobaptism And whereas 't is reported that monstrous Wickedness was committed in the latter part of the Siege before they were overcome We have good ground to question the Truth thereof First Because Sleiden in his Comment who represents the Matter as unhandsom as he could doth confess Mr. Munzer did preach against open crying Sins as Murder Adultery blaspheming God's Name the Body chastened and made lean with Fasting simple Apparel Countenance grave speak seldom get much out of Company think oft of God what he is what Care he has over us whether Christ died for our Sins whether our Religion be better than the Turks Moreover to ask of God a Sign whereby he may testify his Care for us and that we be in the true Religion and though he shew no Token for Good quickly yet must we nevertheless proceed in Prayer yea expostulate with God seeing the Scripture promiseth he will grant what we ask These good things may make us doubt whether some other Principles and Practices he writes of which are contrary to those things were true Moreover we have good reason to question these Reports if we consider further that those things were either written by malicious Papists who said as bad of Luther and Calvin representing them no less Monsters who asserted that Luther and his Followers taught that Mary the Mother of Christ had more Sons that the youngest James an Apostle died for us and not Christ himself Or these things were written by some disaffected Protestants who were willing to take up and improve such Reports to blast not only