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A18004 A discourse Wherein is plainly proued by the order of time and place, that Peter was neuer at Rome. Furthermore, that neither Peter nor the Pope is the head of Christes Church. Also an interpretation vpon the second Epistle of S. Paul to the Thessalonians, the second chapter. Seene and alowed according to the order appointed.; Discourse. Wherein is plainly proved by the order of time and place, that Peter was never at Rome. Carlile, Christopher, d. 1588? 1572 (1572) STC 4655; ESTC S107558 88,721 116

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the yeare of Christe 913. was Pope and begotte Iohn the .11 Pope of that name in adulterie 54 Iohn the eleuenth in the yeare of Christe 916. kept Theodoca an impudent Harlot This Iohn was rather a warrier then an Apostle as Platina writeth At this tyme holynes fledde from the Popes to the Emperours 55 Iohn the twelfth in the yeare of Christ 934. sonne to Sergius was deposed by Leo the sixt 56 Stephanus the eight in the yéere of Christ 937. was so wounded in a ciuile sedition that hée was ashamed to come abroade all his lyfe tyme. 57 Iohn the 13. in the yeare of Christe 964. gyuen too all mischiefe to dyce cardes games robberies sacrilege fornication and to all other euyll actes from his youth whome Volaterane called a cursed man And Platina Monstrum hominis Hée cutte out the eyes of some of his Cardinalles their tounges their fingers handes noses and members Hée was accused that hée dyd not saye his Matynes and Houres that hée dyd not communicat● in his Masse that hée dyd make Deacons in his stables that hée dyd lye with twoo Sisters that in playing at dyce hée requyred the Deuill too helpe him hée made children Bishoppes hée deflowred Maydes and straungers made Lateranense that holy Pallace a Stewes and brothall house that hée dyd deflowre Stephana his fathers concubyne the Widowe Rayner and the Widowe Anne with her Niece put out his Spirituall fathers eyes hée hunted hée warred hée burned hée brake doores and wyndowes hée dranke and pledged the Deuill with wyne Wherefore hée was deposed and Leo placed But afterwarde his noble concubines caused him too bée restored and Leo deposed Hée ordeyned that the Emperoure should alwayes after that bée crowned of the Pope of Rome A man tooke him with hys wyfe and thrust him through with his dagger Hée made sainct Dunston beyng a Necromancer Archebishoppe of Canterburie 58 Boniface the seuenth in the yeare of christ 973. stale all the Treasure of Saint Peters church and fled too Constantinople and there solde it Hée returned to Rome and with that money payed his creditoures hyred Ruffians and deposed Iohn the .15 whome they had made Pope put out his eyes thrust him in prison where hée dyed miserably 59 Iohn the 16. in the yeare of Christ .983 a priests sonne was hated booth of the clergie and of the Laytie hée gaue all too hys kyndred 60 Syluester the second in the yeare of Christ 997. studied necromancie asked of the Deuill howe long he should be Pope The Diuell aunswered tyll hée should singe Masse at Hierusalem Hée fell sicke in a certeyne place in the church of the holy crosse called Hierusalem and there hearing an horrible noyse of Diuelles as Petrus Premonstratensis reporteth dyed 61 Iohn the 18. in the yeare of christ 1001. appoynted all soule daye perswaded by Odylo an Abbot who heard a pitifull noyse in mount Ethna supposing that there were the Soules departed and that Purgatorie was in that hill of Sicilia 62 Petrus Damianus a Cardinall writeth that Benedict the 8. Pope of that name in the yeare of Christe 1008. dyd appeare after his death sitting on a blacke horse to a Bishoppe one of hys acquayntance which Bishop being astonied with such a spectacle and vision sayde Arte not thou Pope Benedict whom wée know is dead Hée aunswered Sum ille infoelix Benedictus I am that vnhappie Benedict The Bishop aunswered How is it with you O blessed Father Then aunswered the Pope I am gréeuous●ie tormented but there is remedie ynough Goe thy waye and tell my brother Iohn who is nowe Pope that hée cause too be digged vp certein treasure hidden in the ground and gyue it too the poore Hée appeared also to Pope Iohn saying I trust to bée deliuered and woold to god that Odylo that holy Abbot would praye for mée that inuented purgatorie 63 Iohn the 20. of a Laye man was made Pope without any orders in the yeare of Christ 1020. 64 Benedictus the ninth in the yeare of chryst 1032. obteyned his popeshippe by Arte Magique and dyd Sacrifice to Diuelles in woodes and mountaynes and made woomen to followe hym thyther and to loue him by a Sparrowe Hée knewe what was doone in all the world Hée solde hys Popeshippe libris mille quingentis At this tyme came in the name of the Cardinalles This Benedict as hée was coniuring in the wooddes was strangled by the Deuill and after his death was séene of an Hermite in body lyke a Beare in head and tayle lyke an Asse and béeing demaunded how chaunsed it that hée was so transformed hée answered I lyue in this state bycause when I was Pope I liued without reason without Lawe without God. 65 Syluester the thirde in the yeare of Christe 1043. solde hys popeshippe to Gregorie The Cardinalles called this Gregorie a Murtherer Then there were at that selfe same tyme thrée Popes Benedictus was in the pallace Lateranense Syluester and Gregorie and Clement the second was elected the fourth 66 Damasus the second in the yeare of Christ 1048. inuaded by violence and made himselfe Pope by force at what tyme it was lawfull for euery man to aspire by what meanes hée could Quo iure quaque iniuria 67 Victor the seconde in the yeare of Christ 1055. was poysoned drinking in the Lordes Challyce 68 Alexander the second in the yeare of Christe 1062. after hée had ●ought a great battayle commaunded that no laye man should gyue any Benefice 69 Gregorie the seuenth in the yeare of Christ 1069. forbadde any Lay man to possesse Tithes he poysoned sixe or eight Popes hée caried about with him alwayes a booke of Necromancie of the which matter reade Benno at large hée excommunicated the Emperoure and made him to stande thrée dayes without the gate of the citie in a colde winter with his wyfe and his yong Sonne barefooted from morning to night without meat or drinke And when the sayde Emperour desired most humbly at the ende of the thrée dayes aunswer was made to him on this wyse O abhominable Antichrist the Popes holynes hath no leasure too speake with you But notwithstanding on the fourth day his familiare friend and Concubine Mathilda obteyned that hée might come too the Popes presence But neyther would gyue him his crowne ageyne neyther perdon him neyther absolue him from excommunication tyll hée should confirme by writing all his decrées which hée did and notwithstanding would not restore him 70 Calixtus the second in the yeare of Christe 1119. fought a battell with Gregorie the eight Pope of that name ouercame him and did set him vppon a Camell his head too the tayle and so brought him to Rome with such despite 71 Alexander the thirde in the yeare of Christe 1158. instituted that no man should marye his brothers wyfe Hée vsed the Kinge of Englande and the Kinge of Fraunce for
a stone Though ignorance were tollerable in other Bishoppes yet it is vntollerable in the Pope Why should not hée that is Superiour in place and inferiour in knowledge bée contented to bée iudged by him that is inferiour in place and superiour in knowledge Thus much writeth Arnulphus with much more reprouing superioritie condemning ostentation and repressing the intollerable arrogancie of the Pope Christ willeth that a man shall not forsake his wyfe for any cause but for adultery The Pope appointeth twelue causes Error conditio votum cognatio crimen Cultus disparitas vis ordo ligamen honestas Si sit affinis si fortè coire nequibit Christ forbiddeth to breake any of the ten commaundements The Pope sayeth that hée maye breake the first and seconde bycause that onely God is not too bée prayed vnto but also saincts and that the Images maye bée woorshipped and the crucifix wyth the adoration of Latreia aswell as the blessed Sacramentes Christ loueth his enemies The Pope persecuteth his as hée dyd Dandalus who was afterward the Duke of Venice for hée caused an yron chayne to bée locked about his necke and him to come coupled euery daye with a dogge vppon his knées and so knéeling vppon his handes and knées gathering crommes vnder his table being spurned at with his féete and others as they did the dogge Thus dyd the Pope a long tyme tyll that hée gaue some parte of his holynes to him and absolued him Christ blessed all and cursed none The Pope curseth not onely men but also Aungelles according to this place of Paule to the Galathians 1. vers 8. If an Angell come and preach any other Gospell then that which wée preach let him bée accursed Gundisalnus cont Num. 5. Gloss. dist 19. n●lli in cap. gener de Ele. lib. 6. Christ restored mens liues handes and toungues The Pope cutte●h them of For Manciuellus a famous man sitting vppon a whyte horse made an Oration against the Pope before all the people at the tyme of procession proouing him too bée Antichriste Wherefore the Pope caused him to bée apprehended and booth his handes to bée cut off After hée recouered hée made an other more vehement agaynst him then hee caused his tounge to bée cut out of his head and dyed thereof Christ is constant and writeth things certayne infallible and agréeing one with another The Pope is vnconstant writeth vntruthes false thinges absurde vnreasonable and one contrarie to an other For that which one affirmeth an other denyeth and that one approueth an other condempneth Christ burned no man. The Pope burned Hierom of Prage and Iohn Hus a true prophet in the yeare of Christ 1405. Christ payed Trybute Matthew 22. ver 21. The Pope refuseth Chryst obteyned mercie for his The Popes can finde none sayeth Platina their sinnes bée so abhominable and the Popes holynesse to bée gone from them too the Emperour Christ cannot erre The Pope dooth Christ iustifieth vs of his meere goodnesse and mercie The Pope not without his pardons ▪ Christ destroyed Idolles pulling them downe The Popes erecte them and through deceit fayneth them too speake and woorshippeth them Christ is a faithfull steward The Pope an vnfaithfull Christ exhorteth to peace The Pope to warre Christ to vertue The Pope to vice Christ doth require no mans riches The Pope doth requyre and robbe like Agamemnon in Homere Thimoboros a deuourer of the people a Vertes a Cataline a thiefe a poller and a seller of the holy Ghost And if he be demaunded why he doth so he aunswereth that it is lawfull for him to encrease his patrimonie of the church by any meanes These with such like wrote Valla a worshipful Senator of Rome in the yeare of Christ .1405 or therabout Christ thanketh his Father that he hath reueled the Gospel to his litel ones The Pope is thanked of the deuill that by his meanes so many sowles come downe to hell This is conteyned in the Epistle of Lucifer too the Pope to the other of the Spiritualtie about the yeare of Christ .1228 The Church of Christ is holy Hierusalem The Popes is adulterous Babylon and Sodomitical Rome Gregorius Hemispurgensis a doctor of Lawe and a Senator of Nor●●berge in the yeare of Christ .1454 Christ regardeth the sowle of man more thē all worldly riches The Pope careth more for ten shillings then a .10000 sowles Christ abolisheth the commaundements of men The Pope receyueth them The holy Ghost came down vpō Christ in y likenes of Doue The Popish huly ghost came downe vppon Iohn the .23 of that name after their masse of the holy ghost in a councell holden at Rome in the likenes of an ill fauored and a prodigious Owle and flied al about howling sate vpon a beame staring vpon the Pope What a thing is this sayd those holy fathers the holy ghost is present with vs in the likenes of an Owle And in the next Session the Owle did the same till the the councell was giuen ouer Clemangis Archedeacon of Baro in the yeare of Christ .1416 Christ is the Sauiour of Sowles The Pope a murtherer Brigitta in the yeare of Christ .1370 she calleth the Pope a disperser of Christes flock more abhominable then the Iewes crueller thē Iuda vniuster then Pilate worser then Lucifer that he turned the x. Commaundements in this one Da pecuniam giue me monye It is wrytten that she saw the Uirgin Mary saye to hir sonne that Rome was a riche fielde and that Christ aunswered that it was riche but rich with wéedes Zizanijs Christ sayth that whosoeuer commeth to him shal neuer perish The Pope sayeth that whosoeuer commeth to him in the yere of Iubile though he die by the way as he goeth shall not perish for he will commaund the Aungels to cary his sowle vp into Heauen without delay with all expedition He graunteth also to euery one that commeth to Rome to the Iubile power to chuse thrée or foure sowles at theyr owne wil and fetch them out of purgatory Christe saith that there is but one God and him onlie to be worshipped The Pope saith the the Sacrament of the Alter is God therfore to be worshipped Iohn Mutzeger in the yeare of Christ .1384 Christ is the Author of concorde The Pope of discorde Nilus in the yeare of Christ 136● Christ wisheth to all men felicitie The Pope wished to them a poole or a bottomlesse pitte This was the wishe of Pope Martine the .4 of that name in the yeare of Christe .1290 Christe ouercame and subdued the worlde by his doctrine The Pope by mony discorde battell crafte and malice Abbas Vrsp. in the yeare of Christe .1199 Christ teacheth true doctrine The Pope heresie Crantzius lib. 8. ca. 8. Christe breaketh not his promisse nor condempneth any man before that hée pleadeth his owne case The Pope and his Legates burned Iohn Hus and Hierome
hoggos fleshe saying putano de Dio dispetto de Dio bring mée my hogges fleshe And likewyse for his Peacock when one asked why hys holynesse was so mooued hée aunswered If God caste Adam out of Paradise for eating of an Aple what would you haue mée too doo for my Peacock Is not my peacock better then an Aple And thus they aunswer such blasphemies that in that the Pope was a man hée offended but in that hée was Christes Uicegerent hée could not sinne For saye they though hee were a desperate man yet the seate and place maketh him holye Now I come to their Obiections which they alleage out of their Canons and Doctours The first Obiection HE is saye they the head of the Church that ruleth the whole world But the Pope ruleth the whole world ▪ Ergo hée is the head of the Church I denye the Minor. They proue it by Thomas the irrefragable Doctour in these woordes The Pope sayeth hée is chiefe Bishoppe For as a King ruleth his realme so doth hée the whole world and Bishoppes for his helpe and ease are ioyned in euery citie as Iudges Thom. secund secund 4.98 art 9. 4.20 art 4. What an argument is this of Thomas of Aquine Is it a good comparison to compare a subiect with a King or rather preferre him before the kinge of the Romanes 1 Where was his authoritie when Nero persecuted as they saye Peter 2 Was not Linus as they reporte the second Pope at Rome in the yeare of Christ 82 Where was his vniuersall power where was his might when hée was put to death of Saturninus the Consul of Rome who was inferiour to Vespasian being Emperour at that tyme 3 Did not Domitian kill Anacletus an 84. 4 Did not Trayane fasten an anker aboue Clementes necke and cause him to be cast into the sea anno 102. 5 Was not Euarestus murthered by the same Emperour 6 Did not Aurelianus the Liuetenant the like to Alexander an 121. 7 And was not Pius killed in the tyme of Antonius verus an 121 8 And likewise Anicete an 159. And Sother an 169. 9 And Eleutherius beheaded an 177.191 10 And Zepherinus in the tyme of the Empe. Aurelius an 220. 11 And Ca●ixtus in the time of Seuerus apprehended beaten with clubbes cast in prison throwen out of a window headlonge and his body cast into a pitte an ●26 12 And Vrbanus at the same tyme banished and at length killed an 233. 13 And Pontianus at the same tyme was banished into Sardinia tormented afflicted and suffered death ano 239. 14 And Autherius in the tyme of the Emperour Maximinus an 243. 15 And Fabianus vnder Decius An. 250. 16 And Cornelius also anno 253. 17 and Lucius vnder Valerianus ann 255. 18 and Stephan vnder Galienus beheaded an 257. 19. Sixtus the second of that name was likewyse martyred An. 267. 20. So was Dionysius An. 277. 21. So Felix an 282. 22. So Eutichianus an 283. 23. So Caius anno 295. 24. So Marcellinus an 303. 25. So Marcellus anno 308. 26. So Eusebius an 309. 27. So Melchiades an 314. The Papistes say that all these were Popes I praye you how ruled they all the world as Thomas sayeth the Popes doo where was their auctoritie aboue all Kinges Princes Emperours and Monarches If of God or of Peter or of them selues why did they not resist why were they put too death If they had none as none they had in deede than of whom had the Popes following their power tyrannie to kill innocentes to depose Emperours to disgrade Bishoppes to rule in hell heauen earth and purgatorie to absolue à poena culpa to do what they lust to oppresse banish and murther The second Obiection Well say what you will the Pope is meruelous for hée hath his name of merueling And hée is to be wondered at bycause hée is Peters vycegerent in the earth for hee hath his name of Papae an Interiection of merueling And without doubt hée occupieth not the place of a pure man but of the true god Textus est in Codice in t corpor de transl Episcopi I answer You say that hée hath his name of Papae an Interiection of merueiling in deede the Reuelation and Paule sayeth that Antechrist when hée shall come which is the Pope shall woorke meruailes and do false myracles by Necromancie and iniquitie The third Obiection Hath he not a great preeminence when as no man neyther may nor dare aske him in any matter why he doth so De poen dist ex perso The fourth Obiection Neyther is the Pope Peters vicegerent but hee occupieth the roome that Peter occupied Gloss. in Clement vna de iure iur in verb. vicar The fifth Obiection Doo you not knowe that the Popes name is chaunged in hys Creation Consecration and enstalling that by the chaunging of the name the man may likewise bee chaunged For where hée was a pure man before now is hée become the Uicegerent of the true God as in example Who was a cruell tyraunt before is nowe chaunged and called Clemens Hée that was hurtfull is now Innocent Hée that was a maleface Boniface and so foorth of the rest Hath not the Pope both the swoordes Is not hée an heretique that breaketh the constitution of the Pope or that holdeth that the Pope is not able to make a constitution hée is a paynim that wil not obey the Pope The Pope may depose the Emperoure without a Councell yea with a cause or without a cause Stat pro ratione voluntas These Obiections are thus to bée aunswered that as none of these are conteyned in the scriptures no more are they to bée credited than fables of Homer or Ouide In chaunging their names they detect their hypocrisie who will beléeue that the chaunginge of a mans name will make an euill man a good man of a dishonest an honest Besydes this is not the Pope a man still though hée bée anoynted consecrated enstalled and entromyzed Is not an Axe an Axe though hée haue a Childes coat vppon his backe ought hée to rule the Empernur Is not hée bounde too gyue too Caesar that which is Caesars Notwithstanding one cursed Iames de Terano Chamberlayne to Vrbane the sixt Pope of that name in the yeare of Christ 1385. interpreteth this place of Luke of the Emperours before Christes passion but after that Chryste was ascendeth into heauen as victor and conquerour hée writeth thus When I shalbée lifted vp from the ground I will drawe all too my selfe that is sayeth the sayd Iames I will take away all Empire Kingdomes Iurisdictions and Dominions of the worlde from the Emperours and Kinges and gyue them too the Pope who when hée hath subdued them and brought them in subiection hée may vse the Royaltie riches gorgeous apparell and all other thinges as subiect too him This cursed Iames as Molineus termeth him is too bée condemned of treason for forging a false coyn