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A18055 An ansvvere made by Oliuer Carter, Bacheler of Diuinitie: unto certaine popish questions and demaundes Carter, Oliver, 1540?-1605. 1579 (1579) STC 4697; ESTC S108169 79,017 198

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being eighteene monethes together at Corinthe afterwardes writeth this Epistle vnto the Romanes in the which Epistle he saluteth Priscilla and Aquilla and the rest of the Congregation being then in their priuate houses and also saluted many other by name and maketh no mention at all of Peter therin Who if he had bene there as you say that he was he shoulde no doubt haue receiued salutations as well as the rest of the faithfull There fell some contention betwixt Paule and Barnabas at Antioche so that Paule tooke Siluanus otherwise called Sylas with him into all cities where they had preached the woord of the Lorde Peter departed from Antioche where he had remained seuen yeares together into Assyria yet further from Rome Ye writeth an Epistle vnto the dispersed Iewes and sendeth the same by Siluanus sending salutations therin from the Church at Babylon a famous citie in Assyria where Peter was then the Apostle of the Circumcision But it may be that you will say that I mistake this place because some writers doe interpret this Babylon to be Rome and in deede it is the onely place wherevpon you do ground Peters being at Rome But this doeth not sound with reason neither is it likely that a man shoulde vse the name of one cittie when he subscribeth his letter being written at an other citie or to vse any Metamorphosis in naming the citie as though he were either ashamed of the place or else that he would not haue had it knowne where he had his aboade so he might better haue altogether omitted it and not to haue named Babylon at all But if you will nedes haue Babylon to signify Rome in this place sithe it agreeth neither with sense reason nor truth then I besech you let Rome bee that Babylon of which the E●angelist speaketh Which is the whore that hath made all nations to drinke of ●he wine of the wrath of her fornicatiō Forasmuch as the sinnes vices which ●eined in Babylon are founde in Rome ● great aboundaunce as persecution of the ●rue Church of God oppression and destruction of Gods people confusion super●ition idolatry and all kind of impietie ●ickednesse But to my purpose Christ commaunded Peter and the other Apostles of which they had their name to goe ●nto all the world and to preache the Gos●ell to all nations and said that they should ●e his witnesses both in Hierusalem and ●n all Iudaea and in Samaria and vnto the ●ttermost part of the earth By which it ●ppeareth that if he had bene a resting Bishoppe and tied vnto the seat of Rome fiue and twentie yeares as you ●ontruly affirme he had broken his mai●ters commaundement and had answered neither to his name nor office It may be that you will alledge the Histories against me for the proofe of Peters Bishoprike but I may truly answere you that forsomuch as the Histories doe imitate and followe one an others opinion and in that the same were committed to printe verie lately in respect and in such a time as no books might be printed but suche as the Pope and his cleargy would ratify and allowe howe may it then seme straunge albeit the truth of this matter agreeing with the scriptures were concealed ▪ For if they woulde haue suffered the truth of this cause to haue bene opened it woulde haue dashed altogether your Popes succession and authoritie But to conclude you say that Peter was Bishop of Rome at such time as Paule was first committed there vnto prison which was two and thirtie yeares after his conuersion but howe vntruly let euery simple man iudge For Paule complaineth that at his comminge vnto Rome when he was first called vnto his aunsweare No man assisted him but all forsooke him No doubte if Peter had bene the Bishop of Rome he would not haue forsak his fellow ●aule Moreouer he exhorteth Timothy to ●ome vnto him shewing that Demas ●ad forsaken him and had embraced ●is present worlde and was departed ●nto Thessalonica That Crescens was ●one vnto Galatia Titus vnto Dalma●a he addeth this clause saying Only ●uke is with mee If Peter had beene ●en in Rome Paule woulde not haue ●ed these woordes Only Luke is with ●ee For neither feare of imprisoment ●either present death would haue kept ●acke Peter from Paules company ●nd if Peter had bene in like authori●e as you affirme his successours the Pope nowe to bee in hauing the neckes ●f all Emperours Kinges and Prin●es vnder his girdle he woulde surely ●aue deuised either some meanes where●y Paule might haue bene deliuered ●om that filthy prison or else woulde ●aue obteined nay graunted him a par●on for his life So that this can not be ●idden or cloaked but that either you ●ust deny the Popes a●cthoritie and ●premacie in that time or else plain● and freely graunt and confesse that Peter was not then Bishoppe of Rome as you may I warrant you without any damage or hurt to your soule agree vnto both Thus much touching the prerogatiue of your Church Now you say Tha● the scriptures be difficult and hard and therefore your church of Rome must haue the interpretation thereof I haue shewed heretofore that the Scriptures ● God be not hard but very playne and easie That they are an vndefiled law which conuerteth the soule and giueth wi●dome to the simple They bee a candle to our feete and a light to our steppes The ophilact saith That nothing can deceiu● those which do search Gods scriptures for that they are the candle whereby th● theefe is taken An other auncient Do●tour saith That all thinges are cleare and plaine in Gods Scriptures whatsoeue● thinges are necessarie the same be manifest Clemens Alexandrinus a grau● wise man in an oration that he made to the Gentils saith Harken ye that befarre of giue eare ye that bee neare the woord of God is hidden from none it is a common light it doth lighten all men there is no darknesse at all in the world Yet this commeth into question whether the interpretation of the scriptures do depend vppon the Churche of Rome or no. Pigghius one of your owne doctors saith That the scriptures as a man both truly and merely saith are like a nose of waxe that easely suffereth it selfe to be drawen backewarde and forward and to be framed and fashioned this waye and that way and how soeuer you list An other faith of your Church of Rome Although they tell thee that thy ryght hand is thy lefte hand or that thy left hande is thy right hand yet such a sentence must bee holden for good Thus you make the woord of God which is easily and playne to the vnderstanding of the simple and a ●ertaine rule to direct the true Christian ●ut a dumble schoolmaster and deade letter and that you must set the holy spirit of God ●o schoole as though he had set downe the Scriptures in a defuse and hard
thy heade meaning th● woman Which text the Louanistes woul● seeme to reforme do put in ipse referring it to Christ You may see into what miseries you woulde bring vs to haue vs to beleue that the Virgin Marie should brus● the Serpents head whereas the words are to be vnderstanded of the seede of the woman Likewise in the Epistle vnto the Corinthians your olde translation hath these wordes Omnes quidē resurgemus ▪ sed non omnes imutabimur Wee shall all rise againe but wee shall not all be changed Which words be vntruely translated for all shall not rise againe because that at Christes comming some shall be founde aliue yet neuerthelesse All must be chaunged and this corruptible flesh must put on corruptiō But you wil perhaps say that the fault is not in the translation but in the Printer Why then hath your Church suffered the same translation to haue beene printed so often and hath not corrected these faultes Nay why with your Tridentine generall councell precisely say Let no man be so bolde or presume by any manner of colour to refuse the old common translation of the Bible To conclude you persuade the world if you haue authoritie not onely to allowe what translation ye list but also as your owne Canonistes doe auouch that the Pope the heade of your Church can at 〈◊〉 pleasure dispense against the Lawe of God against the Lawe of nature against the Apostles against all the commaundements of the olde and newe Testament That hee is Christes Lieftetenaunt not onely ouer thinges in heauen ouer thinges in earth and ouer things ●● hell but also ouer the angels both good and badde whereas the true Church of God hath not at any time made her selfe ●●udge ouer the worde and lawe of God 〈◊〉 alwaies hath vsed subiection vnto the ●●●e grounding all her religion and faith ●●on the same worde And this you must needes confesse vnlesse you will denie a knowen trueth that we whose religion you doe so vehemently withstande haue alwayes perswaded the people not to beleeue vs one iotte further then we bring the woorde of God for our warrant And whereas you further enquire what Church hath had the custodie of the Bible and hath most safely preserued it I must needes say that God of his singuler mercie towardes his Churche by his diuine prouidence hath alwayes preserued his woorde to the comforte of his children as he preserued Elias in the wildernesse Daniel in the Lions denne the three children in the fornace Howe I pray you hath the Byble bene preserued by your Churche sith the whole worlde can testifie howe you haue burned the olde and newe Testament whiche thing is yet freshe in mans memorie● Did not Cutbert Tunstall being then Bishop of London cause the newe Testament to be burned at Pawles crosse in London as your Churche learned of Iehoakim king of Iuda who threw the boke which the Prophete Ieremie by Goddes commaundement had indited conteining the wrath of God against Iuda into the fier But you will say the Testamentes were falselie and vntrulie translated and therefore were burned If that had beene the cause it had bene your partes rather to haue disclosed and quoated forth the erroures and to haue amended the faultes Doeth the mother cast away the milke wherewith the children shoulde be nourished for that sometimes motes doe fall into it but rather culleth forth the moates giueth the Milke to the children euen so you ought to haue done What faultes were I beseech you in that translation you neuer noted anie if there had bene as indeede there were none why haue not you set forth a better what doctour of your Churche or fauorer of your Romishe Religion hath written in whose workes can not be found some errour yet we burned them not but are content to giue them the readinge and do reuerence them so farre as they agree with Gods truthe Further if ●n Angell should speake or write we ought not to beleue him Iudge you nowe laying away all affection whether your Church ●● ours doe better esteme of the Bible or ●● the better preserue the same Papist SHew me why our common knowen church did not as well corrupt the text of the Testament as the true religion contained in the same Shewe me why she kepte not as trulie and as faithfully the true sense of Gods woorde as she preserued the worde it selfe Shewe me why we shoulde beleeue the Papistes as ye tearme them for the worde it selfe and yet we shoulde beleeue you Protestantes for the meaning of the worde rather than them Shewe me why you beleeued our Churche telling you this to be Gods booke and will not credite her aduouching this to be the true and vndoubted sense of the same booke and last of all shewe me why you beleeued the elder knowen Churche affirming this to be the word and doe not beleeue her affirming Luther to be an Heretike Shewe me good reason or Scripture for these poyntes and I recant Answeare YF you meane by your common knowen Churche the Churche of Rome as you will easily assent therevnto then your Church is more common than true For triall whereof it is plaine and that by Saint Barnarde that the pastoures of your Churche of Rome keepe not the spouse of God whiche is his Churche but they destroy her They keepe not the flock but they kill and deuoure And one whiche writeth of your Church in that great and solemne assemblie at Constance saieth They did quenche the spirite they did dispise the voice of the prophetes they persecuted Christ in his members and it was altogether a persecuting churche Barnard in an other place likewise crieth out O miserable Rome which in the time of our Elders hast brought foorth the lightes of worthie Fathers but in our dayes hast brought forth the monstruous darkenes shamefull and slanderous to the time to come An other calleth Rome a schoole of errour a temple of heresie And your old friend Thomas Becket whome you haue canonized for a Saint saith Our holy mother of Rome is become an harlot and hath prostituted her self that is hath set her selfe open to euerie man for reward And what neede we goe farre one of your owne nest in the late councell of Trent sheweth his iudgement of your Churche of Rome They haue brought to passe saieth he that godlinesse is turned into hypocrisie and that the sauoure of life is turned into the sauour of death Woulde to GOD they were not gone with one generall consent from religion to superstition from faith to infidelitie from Christ to Antichrist from God to Epicure saying with wicked heartes and filthie mouthes there is no god Truth seketh not to be shrouded in corners I haue noted before a fewe places amongst many in which you haue corrupted the text of the Byble You seeme to vrge this matter instantly that your Church hath kept and
foresaide states in their gouernement and ministerie And if he can proue vnto me that their Churche hath neuer lacked the same appointed officers or that anie other Churche or congregation besides oures hath alwayes kept that charge and I recant Answeare TRuth it is that Christ gaue some to be Apostles some Prophetes some Euangelistes some Pastoures and teachers but where doe you reade that our Sauiour Christe euer promised all these functions to continue successiuely to the worldes end Shew vnto me anie which was called apostle or prophet after Christ his Apostles Saint Paule the blessed Apostle maketh mentiō of false Apostles which alwaies withstood the doctrine of the Gospell maintained the ceremonies of the Lawe and the inuentions of their owne braine and set them selues opposite vnto the true Apostles and if you will claime your succession from them I will easily agree vnto you There hath bene Preachers and teachers at all times saue onely when they haue bene kept vnder by your tyrannie which haue preached Gods truth and reproued your grosse Idolatrie whom your Church hath alwaies persecuted vnto death and euen vntill this time there hath bene and are Christians in Graecia and Asia which haue euer●●●e and doe yet vtterly detest the Pope the head of your Church with all your de●●●s and traditions But shewe mee in one place I pray you of the Scripture where euer Christ promised anie such succession to continue in all ages Y● were so that the truth of Gods worde ● the functions in Gods Church should ●ceed alwaies by ordinary succession t● you had a good foundation to builde y● succession vpon Then Christ our Saui● by right should not haue controuled ● Scribes and Pharesies which sat● Moses chaire which bragged of succe●on as well as you doe saying We are the seed of Abrahā we are the discipl● of Moses vnto vs God hath made ● promisses as for Christ we knowe n● from whence he came And theref● they asked Christ By what power he d● such thinges who gaue him that au●thoritie and so they might very well ha● said in respect of their outward successio● For so Annas and Caiphas were Bys●ops aswell as Aaron But that warni● and admonicion which Saint Paule ga● vnto the congregation of Ephesus touc●ing succession might satisfie you I know this saith he that after my departinge● there shal greuous Woolues enter in amoung you not sparing the flocke moreouer of your owne selues shall m● arise speaking peruerse thinges And againe he saith That true faith cometh not by succession but by hearing not the Bishoppe of Rome but the worde God. Yf Christ had appoynted anie such succession would he haue forewarned vs that desolation of abhomination should sit ●●●he holy place and that Antichrist should ●●●rude him selfe into the roome of Christ If you looke well about you you haue no cause to glory in succession for that by your writers sufficient is spoken to discredit your succession for one saith That many Popes haue fallen into heresies that Hildebrand in whose time defection frō the faith tooke place was charged by a generall councell to be an adulterer a Churchrobber a periured person a ma●queller a sorcerer and an apostata Another calleth the Popes monsters and 〈◊〉 shapen creatures If your heade and chiefe of your Church be such what shall we iudge of the rest I wil take for proofe of your succession euen the confessiō of Pope ●drian the fourth Succedimus non Pe●●●o in pascendo sed Romulo in parrici●●●o We succeede saith he not Peter in ●●●eding but Romulus in killing To be ●●●t what auaileth the succession of your Church vnlesse you coulde prooue that she hath alwayes mainteined the doctrine of Christ For Saint Augustine saith Tha● many doo giue the outward marke of a Byshop to wolues and be wolues them selues That the truth of Gods woord ma● be the touchstone of lawfull succession giu● eare to the godly councell of a learned father It becommeth vs saith he to obe● those Priestes in the Church which hau● their succession from the Apostles an● together with the succession of their Bishoprikes according to the good wil o● God the father haue receiued the vndoubted gift of the truth An other being pressed with the like succession saith If any of my predecessors haue not obserued and kept the same that our Lor● hath taught vs both by his example an● also by his commaundement his simplicitie may be pardoned but we if we do● the like can hope for no pardon bein● now admonished and instructed of ou● Lord. And comparing all other Churche● with the primatiue ●hurch the same fath● saith If the pipes of the conduit whic● before ran with abundance happen ● faile do we not vse to search to the hea● The Pristes of God keeping Gods commaundementes must doo the same that if the truth haue fainted or failed in any point we returne to the original of our Lord and to the tradition of the Gospel and of the Apostles that thence wee may take the discretion of our dooings from whence the order it selfe and originall first began Thus muche concerning the succession of your Church hauing no warrant by Gods woorde Papist 6. AND for the necessarie vse and execution of the foresaide offices they must further bee asked what sacraments the Protestāts ministred for the space of a M. yeares together in which they confesse their congregation to haue beene neare or wholly hidde what correction or discipline they kept for offendors to whom they did preache their heresies Where did 〈◊〉 principall pastor sitte in iudgement ●●●re did they gather as in a councell ●●●ye the trueth in doubtfull matters H●●e might Christian men iustelie of●●●d with some of their Bretheren haue sought out your officers or congregation to make complaint of him or how if it lacked any man to haue beene baptized of them or to haue receiued the communion of them or haue ioyned them selues in faith and religion vnto them How might I say that co●temptible and vnknowne companie ha● beene found out in this case If therefo● you can shewe me that euer anie man soug● iustice or knowledge of truth sacrament● faith or anie helpe of saluation at the Pro●stants secret and close Church or anie oth● where else but of Gods knowne Cathol● Church And I recant Aunsweare 6. TOuching Sacramentes we fin● two appoynted expresly by the wor● of God namely Baptisme and the Lor● Supper The one doeth signifie our ne● birth and regeneration that as by wat● the filthe of the body is washed cleane through faith in the bloud of Christ o● soules are clensed from all sinne and w● are incorporat and ingraffed into the b● of Christ and made members of his bo● of which he is the onely head the other do● put vs in remembraunce that Christ I●sus is our spiritual foode and sustenaun● that he is the celestial Manna which came downe from Heauen and
make anie long or large discourse or rehersal as concerning the Originall and offspring of your holy Churche of Rome whose beginning was with moste detestable and heynous murders poysoninges and other suche like meanes and practises neyther yet to dilate vppon the proceading succession or continuance thereof from time to tyme and vntill this present day neyther doo I mynde to remember you of the honour and reuerence which by the collour of your succession you haue wonne therevnto from God vnto whome onely such honor is due But to answeare you in few words the true Church of God began first to decay whe● as your Byshoppes of Rome not conte●ted with their dioces and their peculia● charge vsurped other mens rightes an● interest or when they chalenged aucthoritie aboue their felow Byshoppes Thi● was in Phocas time who flew his Maist● Mauritius the Emperour and to curr● fauoure with the Pope yeelded vnto hi● that superioritie that he shoulde be calle● the vniuersall Byshoppe and heade of th● Churche And so saith Platina Bonifa● saith he the thirde of that name obtained of Phocas the Emperoure ye● not without greate contention that h● should be called the heade of the Churche So saieth Sabellicus The Pope Boniface the thirde saith he at his beginning intreated Phocas the Emperoure that the Romaine Church might be the heade of all other Churches and that was graunted vnto the Apostolike Sea not without greate strife the Grecians claiming that honour saying that they ought by Christian pietie to be chiefest in respecte of the Empire whiche long before that time was at Constantinople Yet it appeareth by the writinges of Gregorie the greate that this challenge shoulde rather be a signe of Antichrist then of a true minister of Christ and therefore he writeth vnto Iohn Byshoppe of Constantinople saying It is not my cause but it is Goddes not I onely but the whole Church is troubled because godlie lawes reuerend synodes and the verie commaundementes of our Lord are ouerthrowne by a certaine proude and pontificall name or worde of vniuersalitie And againe he saith Whosoeuer doeth call him selfe an vniuersall Byshoppe is either Antichriste or the forerunner of Antichrist And agayne None of our Romaine Bishoppes euer chalēged this name of singularitie none of my predecessors euer agreed to vse this prophane worde we will not receiue this honour though it were offered vnto vs. And to speake the playne trueth euen from this time Goddes true Churche beganne to decay and the superstitions of your Churche of Rome by little and little to increase and as your Churche grewe in wealth and riches so it waxed proude and carelesse as a good writer spake of it Ecclesia peperit diuitias et filia deuorauit matrem Th● Church brought forth riches and t● daughter deuoured the mother Fo● euen this same Gregorie who liued sixe hundred yeares and odde after Christ not wtihstanding his owne bookes doe witnesse agaynst him to all posterities yet in his latter age he claymed this name of vniuersalitie though he could neuer attaine it for not onelie he but all before him and manie after him yeelded them selues vnto the Emperours refusing to be called vniuersall byshoppes or heades of the Churche Marcellus Meltiades and Siluester Byshoppes of Rome were in subiection vnto Constantine the Emperour Sirilius in subiection to Theodosius Anno domini 388. Hilarius vnto Iustinian Anno Domini 528. Gregorie the first vnto Mauritius Anno domini 600 Adrian and Leo to Ludouicus Pius Anno domini 830. Sergius vnto Lotharius Anno. 840. Benedict 3. and Iohn 9. vnto Ludouicus the Emperour Sonne of Lotharius Anno domini 856. But some of these byshops with their successoures peeced and patched with certaine superstitious ceremonies your Churche euen vntil ●ildebrandes time otherwise called Gregorie the. 7. at whiche time as it was prophecied long before Antichrist ●d beginne his full raigne Which Hilde●ande by a councell of nineteene byshops ●olden at Brixia was condemned for a ●riured person and a Necromancer As for your masse which was and is a more abhominable Idoll then the idoll at Delphos thoughe the Diuell himselfe was worshipped there in personall forme it was seuen hundred yeares in setting together and in framing And transubstantiation the piller of your masse not hatched vntil your Lateran councel beganne which was after Christ 1215. yeares and some euen the chiefest doctoures of your Churche cannot tell whether it be true or false certaine or vncertaine or a verie dreame or no. For Petrus Lumba●●us rehearseth these doubtes and therevnto he addeth his aunswere Quibusdam ita videtur Quidam dicunt quidam tradunt quidam concedunt alii putauerunt substantiam ibi panis et vini remanere Some men iudge thus Some say thus Some haue written thus some graunt this some other haue thought thus that the verie substance of the breade and wine remaineth still But marke your doctours iudgement and aunswere Si autem queritur qualis sit illa conuersio an formalis an substantialis an alterius generis definire non sufficio Yf a question weare moued what maner of conuersion or chaunge this is whether it be in forme or in substaunce or of some other sort I cannot define You may see your great doctors to be as ignorant and as doubtfull as the rest An other of your doctours saith How the body of Christ is there whether it be by chaūging of something into it or Christ his body begin to be there to gither with the bread both the substance and the accidents of the breade remaining still without chaunge it is not found expressed in the canon of the bible Beholde your Church Behold your doctours Beholde your vniforme assent and agreement whiche vntruely you so much boast of What time prayers for the dead soules Inuocation to Saintes seruice in an vnknowne and straunge tounge began in your Romish Church it is not much materiall seing they be all expresly ●gainst the worde of god The continu●unce of an errour doth not make the er●our a truth You may knowe by the scrip●ures that the soules of such as departe his life in the faith of Christ be with La●arus in Abrahams bosome as Saint ●ohn saith in rest and need not your prai●rs Such as end theire life in wickednes ● dye without true repentaunce be in hell ●here as the scripture saith that there is ●o redemption Concerning inuocation ●nd praier which is a parte of gods wor●hip you robbe God of his due honour if ●ou giue that to anie creature which is ●roper to the creator For God saith by ●is prophet Honorē meum alteri non ●abo I will not giue mine honour to ●nie other And againe Call vpon me ●n the day of thy trouble and I wil heare ●hee So likewise our Sauiour Christ ●aith whatsoeuer you shal aske my father ●n my name he shall giue it you And Saint Iohn saith If anie man sinne ●ee haue an