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A19224 Discoverye of a counterfecte conference helde at a counterfecte place, by counterfecte travellers, for thadvancement of a counteerfecte tytle, and invented, printed, and published by one (person) that dare not avovve his name Constable, Henry, 1562-1613. 1600 (1600) STC 5638.5; ESTC S111899 27,719 97

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frame comon vvealths after their pleasures fancyes as thoughe they vvere the superious vpō vvhome Pope all persones of vvhat qualitye so euer are to depēde frō vvhome al persons are to receaue take their directions for spirituall temporall affaires vvhich hovve great an absurditye it is for thē to thinke that all vvise mē do not see their rashe folishe dangerous courses vvherunto they pretende doth argue ther insolenty pride so much to blinde their Iudgement as that they see not hovv their deuises drifts vvilbe vvhoped hallovved out of all mens conceipts that be indifferent and that vvould haue their Countrye kept from tyrāny spoile of ancient nobilitie lavves costumes priuiledges vvhich is that it semeth these masqued author and lavvyers most desiere And it semeth straūge to vvise vertuous people that this author disguised lavvyers makinge shevv to be Catholickes to aduaunce gods cause folovv not the patterne example of his holiness predecessors vvho haue euer helde milde modest courses tovvardes the kinge of Scotlāde moste aggreable to the Apostolicke Romaine Catholicke church vvhich is a svvete Mother esteeminge it the best and rediest vvaye to dravve gaine suche princes to the right true religiō as be out of the sayd Churche specially not of malice but by Education And yet these phantasticall Aucthor lavvyers vvould haue all violente furious courses exercised against the sayd Kinge As depriuation of his ovvne realme and right to the Crovvne of Englāde yfit laye in their povver Thoughe they see by dayly experience that both princes other particular persons of great qualitye that falle from theCatholicke Churche beinge once in it vvere accompted as desperat persones for euer returninge yet since haue reconsiled them selues vvith great repentance and haue done notable seruices by theire examples in procuring hasteninge others of principall ranck to be reconsiled as namely the most Christian kinge of fraunce hath done for the vvhich he deserueth immortall fame And therfore since God hathe geuen his grace that suche remember to returne to the right vvaye that vvere strayed forth of the same as also hath called and doth call dayly infinit nombers that haue bene borne bred vp in heresie in many places specially in Fraunce vvher of late haue bene recōsiled to the Catholicke churche as it vvere manye vvhole to vvnes and cities of people that vvhich is gteatlie miraculouslie to be noted the chefe occasion instruments hereof to be by thre persons conuerted to the Catholicke faithe that vuere in theyr kinde qualitie the most sharpest and bitterest enemies against the Catholicke cause that is to say the kinges Ma. of Fraunce that novve is a most mightie Prince the bishop of Eureux a very learned Prelate and Monsieur sainct Marye a gentilman of great respect vvherfore should these vncharitable aucthor lavvers condemne the kinge of Scottlande as desperate to reconsile him selfe to the true churche since besides that vvhich hath bene sayd of his Ma. he neuer shevved him selfe vvillfull obstinate in any of his actions but gouerneth him selfe vvith that vvisedome clemencye liberalitye affabi litye vvithe other singular naturall and morall parts vvhich God hath geuē him that gaineth him great renovvme gi ueth great contentement to them that knovve him And it is verie like that God vvho hath bestovved these notable partes vpon his Ma vvill not refuse him the grace that maye make him knovve God be best for his soules health demandinge the same as he ought to do as vpon good consideration conference if he vvill accept the same he may do hereunto no doubt vvill he be the better incited vvhen he shall thinke that it is he onely of his race that svvarueth frō the Catholicke Religiō in vvhich all his noble Princely progenitors haue liued died And specially his most sacred mother vvho sealed the same at her death vvith her bludde for the vvhiche she is a Martyr by the meanes vvherof he is a Martyrs sonne vvhich passeth the dignitye of a kinge or any other vvorldly tytle And lastly vvhen his Ma. shall here hovv disceatfully falslye Plessey Morney did alledge so many hundred places passages of the doctors others to maintaine his vvicked doctrine vvhich being manifestly discouered in his ovvne presence a fore indifferent Iudges of Catholickes of his ovvnne Religion novv knovven to all the vvorlde haue procured hi perpetual shame haue made many since that tymevvhich accōpted him as one of the chefe heddes learnednest ofther religiō to leaue him to yealde them selues to the obediēce of the catholicke churche And therfore since there is not desperation of the kinges Ma. of Scotlandes acknovvledginge the true Churche this auctor vvith his lavvyers maye see vvhat grosse and foule errors they commit that vvill not let God vvorke his vvill vvho hath the hartes of Princes in his handes but vvill take vpon them by speaches vvritinges and practises to Censure of his sayd Ma. in the vvorst sence that may be to the tuine of his honor and tytle to the Crovvne of Englande because he doth not iust at that tyme as they vvould haue hi folovve their pleasures and directions Thoughe his Holiness and his predecessors haue bene are contented to sitte stil and be silent vvithout doinge any thinge against his Ma. and haue reiected all informations vvhiche I haue herd of credit this author or somme of his associats haue caused to be geuen to his Holines or some about him to procure an excomunication against his Ma. And herin it is to be noted that his Holines predecessors procedinges and actions ar gouerned and directed vvith ane other manner of spirit vvisedome and discretion then those lavvyers haue bene and that they had and haue their scope and ende cheiffye to aduance Gods glorye and rhe true Church vvith out shovvinge fantasticall humors passion and partiallitye as this auctor and his lavvyers haue done and do And let them not think hovve smothely and svvhiftly so euer they hope to runne avvaye vvith their driftes and deuises and that they vvould seeme to daunce in a nette in suche sorte that no man shoulde marke finde their subtiltyes and craste but that they be espied and clearely seen And that vvhen opportunitye serueth vvhich perhaps vvill not be longe therunto they vvilbe mette vvith all by those that are most interessed and that the name of the aucthor of the booke of tytles vvith his odious practises shal be presented to his Holines and secunded vvith suche manifest profes as neyther his accustomed cauillations equiuocations nor doblinge vvill or shall serue for his purgation but onely simple and playne dealing must be shevved than it shall appeare vvhether princes and others haue iuste cause to be greeued and offended or no and vvhether this author meriteth not to be chastised and commaunded to retyre him selfe from meddlinge farther in matters of state vviche shal be best for the publicke good and his soulthes healthe The book of succesfiō is put fourth as a babling libel The booke vvas preiudicial to the late kinge of spay ne and to this present The argument of the treatise The conference to be disliked for three reasons Tbe scope of the conference Tbe vvayes to the marke A general compact of the conserrers so bring englande to the Ciuil lavves Roman Aspecial compact that tvvo lavvyers and not lavvmust be vmpiers of this matter Six Articles of the la vvyers agreement The Ciuilian must lead the temporal lavvyer Popularitye Popular Doctrin Feigned mnximes of foreing lavves to direct the Crovvne Practise for acōmon fame A furmised dovvtfullnesse A dangerous insinuation A sediciouse cballenge Shyfts to further surmise by complyinge vvith the tyme. Dissimulatitn duplicitie in speache must be vsed No heyr apparent must he knovvē To vvyne tyme by false bruts The Qvvene must seeme to be put in securitie for her tyme. Things must hes affirmed byvvaye of protestation onely The late earle of Darbye The circumstances of effect like co folovv this matter of con ference A vayne euasiō General mischiefs innouasion Theltbeller nayther pro fiteth the kinge nor the comon cause Of Disser uice done to the kiuge by this conference The popular Doctrin is ill grovvnded Mischieses in scotlande by this popular Doctrin Mischiefes in Arragō by the same Doctrin Mischieues of this Doctrine in the lovve Countrie This book of conferēces vvas not published vvith the late kinges priuitye nor this lininig No vvise man vvill cōsent to his ovvn The kinge preiudicied in stat by the booke manye vvayes in this dayes specially No kinge sure of his state but remouable by lavve at vvill of people A fond assumption of the lavvyers A cra sty shyft to blere the late kinge this liuin ge heeyes vvith a contradiction Flatterye dissimulation disgraceth any attempt Blasphemis against the Sac●●●d state of Regall dignitye Absurdities against bothe king subiect A kinge is but tenant at vvil of the people VVhat vashe boldenesse these difguysed lavvyers shevve This author and lavvyer mock abuse the kinge of spayne The authors extreame malyce against the kinge of scotlande This author preoccupi ethe the office of a Pope This author refusethe to take his holinesse for an example No cause to esteme the kinge of scotlande desperate to be reconcyled to the true Caetholicke churche as theis lavvyers vvolde haue the vvorld to thincke