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mean_a of_o thousand_o let_v he_o 〈…〉_o a_o instructor_n he_o be_v but_o will_v you_o know_v what_o degree_n he_o bear_v in_o that_o office_n his_o title_n will_v tell_v you_o even_o nothing_o inferior_a to_o god_n himself_o for_o he_o borrow_v his_o whole_a title_n from_o psal_n 32_o 1._o only_a god_n call_v his_o work_n a_o psalm_n this_o opponent_n name_v he_o a_o treatise_n but_o one_o thing_n he_o come_v short_a in_o that_o word_n maschil_n in_o the_o hebrew_n be_v write_v two_o several_a way_n in_o the_o one_o it_o signify_v to_o understand_v or_o thing_n fit_a to_o be_v understand_v if_o it_o be_v write_v the_o second_o way_n it_o signify_v lightness_n folly_n or_o to_o be_v mad_a as_o the_o learned_a in_o that_o tongue_n have_v observe_v thus_o much_o i_o bave_v be_v inform_v by_o man_n of_o credit_n in_o that_o language_n for_o myself_o be_o whole_o ignorant_a that_o way_n thing_n stand_v thus_o i_o say_v if_o he_o have_v write_v that_o word_n with_o the_o hebrew_n character_n 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out_o question_n be_v of_o the_o church_n visible_a more_o than_o so_o god_n may_v require_v we_o to_o come_v out_o of_o babylon_n even_o we_o that_o be_v not_o there_o for_o such_o a_o command_n be_v no_o more_o but_o to_o prevent_v our_o go_v thither_o forasmuch_o as_o the_o same_o person_n that_o be_v further_a from_o babylon_n in_o this_o present_a estate_n be_v there_o even_o there_o already_o in_o possibility_n because_o the_o holy_a man_n that_o live_v live_v in_o the_o flesh_n or_o humane_a nature_n and_o therefore_o may_v he_o be_v carry_v to_o babylon_n because_o babylon_n be_v heresy_n or_o at_o least_o include_v it_o and_o heresy_n be_v a_o fruit_n of_o the_o flesh_n by_o this_o time_n i_o hope_v his_o whole_a discourse_n as_o well_o â—hat_n be_v to_o the_o purpose_n as_o what_o be_v beside_o the_o purpose_n be_v full_o clear_v and_o satisfy_v wherein_o â—hine_v depart_v from_o the_o liberty_n of_o a_o answerer_n of_o love_n and_o desire_v to_o satisfy_v the_o reader_n chap._n 10._o our_o opponent_n b._n his_o second_o argument_n he_o urge_v we_o cap._n 9_o pag._n 37._o with_o a_o second_o argument_n conclude_v after_o this_o manner_n that_o society_n which_o want_v the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n deny_v fundamental_a truth_n direct_o not_o by_o consequence_n but_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n do_v not_o deny_v fundamental_a truth_n direct_o but_o by_o consequence_n at_o the_o most_o for_o the_o pope_n arithmetic_n which_o he_o use_v in_o calculate_v the_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v not_o subrstaction_n but_o addition_n therefore_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n want_v not_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n the_o assumption_n and_o conclusion_n be_v set_v down_o pag_n 41._o and_o the_o title_n of_o the_o chapter_n pag_n 37._o the_o proposition_n be_v want_v in_o pag._n 21_o 22._o he_o write_v thus_o our_o adversary_n in_o this_o cause_n do_v bring_v the_o denial_n of_o the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n as_o a_o medium_n to_o 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it_o be_v frame_v in_o these_o term_n chap._n 11._o of_o the_o same_o argument_n new_o frame_v that_o society_n which_o want_v the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n do_v in_o word_n and_o profess_o deny_v the_o scripture_n and_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n but_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n do_v not_o in_o word_n and_o profess_o deny_v the_o scripture_n and_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n therefore_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n want_v not_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n his_o proof_n for_o this_o assumption_n be_v two_o the_o one_o pag._n 126._o in_o these_o word_n offer_v the_o fundamental_a word_n to_o they_o of_o the_o romish_a church_n and_o none_o among_o they_o will_v refuse_v to_o subscribe_v unto_o they_o the_o other_o be_v his_o five_o argument_n pag._n 59_o &c_n &c_n to_o prove_v the_o main_a question_n so_o desirous_a he_o be_v to_o make_v show_n of_o plenty_n that_o one_o shall_v be_v divide_v into_o two_o rather_o than_o he_o will_v be_v short_a in_o number_n in_o that_o he_o write_v thus_o in_o our_o disputation_n with_o they_o we_o do_v not_o prove_v that_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n but_o we_o bring_v it_o in_o proof_n against_o they_o pag._n 62._o and_o this_o say_v he_o be_v a_o tacit_a consent_n of_o all_o we_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v not_o direct_o deny_v the_o foundation_n pag._n 61._o in_o pag_n 70._o he_o write_v thus_o i_o will_v glad_o see_v the_o testimony_n of_o but_o one_o in_o estimation_n for_o his_o learning_n among_o we_o that_o ever_o affirm_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o deny_v the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n direct_o the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v not_o pass_v any_o such_o sentence_n upon_o she_o some_o of_o we_o touch_v this_o matter_n have_v write_v thus_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n deny_v christ_n jesus_n direct_o not_o by_o consequence_n only_o at_o this_o our_o opponent_n b._n pag._n 122._o grow_v very_o angry_a and_o crave_v pardon_n for_o break_v his_o 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within_o he_o whereof_o we_o read_v in_o his_o english_a epistle_n will_v not_o give_v way_n to_o that_o wherefore_o pag._n 118._o he_o allege_v two_o and_o i_o will_v report_v they_o in_o true_a form_n that_o the_o reader_n may_v see_v their_o soundness_n in_o the_o first_o he_o conclude_v thus_o if_o they_o baptise_v with_o water_n in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n the_o son_n and_o the_o holy_a ghost_n than_o their_o baptism_n be_v good_a for_o here_o be_v water_n and_o the_o word_n of_o christ_n institution_n the_o one_o the_o matter_n and_o the_o other_o the_o form_n and_o both_o essential_a to_o baptism_n i_o answer_v i_o deny_v the_o consequence_n as_o naught_o in_o itself_o and_o as_o ill_o prove_v the_o reason_n of_o my_o denial_n be_v give_v already_o so_o as_o i_o may_v be_v silent_a here_o but_o repetition_n will_v be_v useful_a often_o practice_n make_v thing_n and_o man_n more_o expert_a and_o facile_a this_o proof_n suppose_v that_o nothing_o be_v essential_a to_o 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