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A77435	A briefe examination; of a certaine pamphlet lately printed in Scotland, and intituled: Ladensium autocatacrisis, &c.		1644 (1644)	Wing B4591; Thomason E47_7; ESTC R21801	34,566	57

judgement in those points Or if those Points bee comprehended in the Articles and not condemned belike they are approved there But if the Articles doe condemne Arminianisme all men promoted in the Church subscribe to the Articles They professe fully and heartily to assent to the Doctrine there set downe which Profession is as valid as an oath and an * Heb. 6.16 Oath for confirmation is an end of all strife So that to affirme his Grace keepes a constant course in promoting Arminianisme as a Sect offensive to this Church is but a meere calumny Their subscription being as great and apparant a Purgation of any their adherence to heterodox Opinions as they can possibly exhibit or hee require of them And should he require more he could not justifie it 15. That which brought up Arminianisme among you was you say * P. 11. a gentle ayre from Court which were it true as it is undoubtedly false yet it leaves no reall Aspersion upon those Opinions The Court does not alwayes cherish the evill seeds it is the voice of Schismaticks sometimes a Optat. l. 1. Aug. Ep. 48. Quid Episcopis cum palatio The Arrians and Donatists did often complaine they were borne downe by favour at Court and so do you now and so did alwayes all unquiet Spirits when they could not have there what themselves desired * P. 11. Dr. Wederburne you tell us was made Bishop of Dunblane and that Bishop is alwayes Deane of the Chappell Royall and a society of twenty foure Chaplaines was erected the fittest that could be found in the whole Kingdome to preach to the State the Deanes Arminian Tenets Where it may be all the offence is that your selfe was none of the number 16. Passing over into Ireland you question there * P. 15. P. 21. Who holds downe the head of that Orthodoxe Primate Which complaint after three or foure pages you resume againe thus What fray makes that worthy Primate Vsher to foretell oft to his friends his expectation to be sent over sea to die a Pedant teaching boyes for his bread by the persecution of this faction Where this strange expression from your pen Orthodoxe Primate made me almost forget the maine of your complaint For say in good earnest is Episcopacie a wicked and Antichristian calling So you teach sometimes And sure if a simple Bishop be a limb of Antichrist a Primate must be a very principall member how then Orthodoxe primate Or why care you who holds downe his head Were it in your power would you advance it You that have howted all Ecclesiasticall Dignities quite out of your Countrey You tell us plainly that a totall ejection of the Bishops * Postscrip p. 28. would much increase the joy and prosperity of all the three dominions We have just reason to think then that if this Orthodoxe Primate were in your Power you would divide betwixt his Orthodoxie and his Primacie by such a kind of distinction as that was of old b Platin. in vit Ioan. 24. Gibellinorum bona Guelfa the Man might be Orthodoxe but the Primacie with what belongs to it his Rents and Revenues would be found all Antichristian so that he must be content indeed to die a Pedant teaching boyes for his bread But to the maine of your Complaint take his Answer which upon sight of this passage in your booke he made with his owne mouth This is notoriously false I never said any such thing I never thought it and I am in my particular beholding to my Lord of Canterbury I had the happinesse to be by when my Lord Primate spake this 17. Your aptnesse to misconstrue even the best actions appeares by the censure you put upon His Majesties Declaration before the Articles You make it but a crafty trick in his Grace then Bishop of London by the Duke his Patron you say to perswade that course of silence purposely to give * Their crafty leader seeing the s●…t of opposition and sinding it meet a little to hold in c. p. 19. advantage to the Arminians It were a happy thing if in all emergent controversies men would carrie themselves with that temper and prudence as that no such declarations might be needfull But when the fire of contention begins to burne and endanger the peace of Church and State it is then time for Kings who are nutritii Ecclesiae to interpose their power and suppresse the flame What our gracious Soveraigne did was done more majorum after the example of all godly Princes In the time of Theodosius the elder every mans tongue ran upon the Trinity nothing could be heard but perpetuall wrangling about those high mysteries whereupon that pious Prince forbad all disputing thereabout c Sozom. l. 7. c. 6. latâ lege paenâ constitutâ Had you lived then you would have said This was but the tricke of some Prelate to give advantage to the Sabellians Photinians Arrians and the like In these very questions blessed King Iames both counselled and approved a pacificatory edict devised and published in Holland to make peace there which indeed was variously carped at But God forbid that at such exigences for the misprision of some disaffected spirits Kings and Princes should lay by their care whose office it is to suppresse Schisme and Faction in Church as well as theft homicide or like crimes in State as d Ep. 50. cont Crescon 3. c. ●1 S. Austin tels us But what advantage did the Arminians make of this edict I pray Yes * P. 23. Many Doctors you say in both Universities and over all the Land boldly gave out their minde to all they met with for the advancement of the new way Boldly gave out their minde But did they print as boldly I am sure some of the contrary part as boldly gave out their mindes otherwise your intelligence had not been so good And what know you but that many books like to be offensive in this kinde were and are suppressed by my Lord of Canterburies care I am sure you can keepe no tale of them no more than Diagoras his friend could of those that were drowned quia nusquam picti sunt for they appeare not 18. Needs will you make the world believe in this quarrell of Arminianisme my Lord of Canterburies Predecessour Archbishop Abbot was so farre * P. 21. wrought out of grace with the King that he remained some yeares before his death well neare confined to his house at Lambeth and that for the same cause is caged up in the Tower that great and learned Bishop of Lincolne Where touching the first in good time said you well neare confined For certainly no other confinement lay upon him at Lambeth some yeares before his death but by that which serves an arrest upon all the sonnes of men age and infirmity And for the second that Arminianisme is any way concerned in my Lord of Lincolnes affaire is more than I ever understood

or I believe any man else It were a great folly for me to misreport or dissemble in things so publike and notorious as these 19. Much adoe you make about Chounes Booke where you begin with the License but mistake the Licenser whence I hope we may conclude you are over-apt to trust flying Report For had you used ocular inspection here we cannot but think you can read a printed Name Touching the Booke it selfe very eager you are to stretch all to the worst For he saith not Fides Resipiscentia Perseverantia Faith Repentance Perseverance are the Causes of Salvation as you alledge but Fidei Resipiscentiae Perseverantiae recta quae est ex Deo Ordinatio Kenne you no difference here betwixt mans act in believing repenting and persevering and Gods 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in ordaining faith repentance and perseverance to be the meanes of salvation But a dangerous matter it is to fall into the hands of a Man that is resolved to make the worst of every thing he meets with You tell us farther D. Bastwick in the Face of the Starre-Chamber charged my Lord of Canterbury with this Booke That he did not neither in the High Commission somewhat hee wrangled about Fundamentalls which truly was not worth the writing into Scotland But more than all this It wounds you say the Kings Monarchick Government at the very heart and transferres from the Crowne to the Miter one of its fairest Diamonds which the King and His Father before him did ever love most dearely You cite not the Words nor the place but in your Chapter of Tyrannie we cannot misse it sure There he is alleaged to say that * P. 113. Kings and Princes are accompted sonnes of the Church That Bishops make Canons which yet have their Vivacity or Act of life from Kings as the Heads This is all in effect he saith there I wonder much what designe M. Choune a Lay-Gentleman should have to transferre from the Crowne to the Miter this faire Diamond Supremacie in Causes Ecclesiasticall for that is it you meane And I wonder more to finde you so jealous of it But be content good Sir neither M. Choune nor the Bishops intend any such theft In the meane while Rom. 2.21 thou that teachest a man should not steale dost thou steale Doe not you with open face rob the Crowne of this Diamond and transferre it to your Ecclesiasticke Assemblies f Parall 4. Lysimachus Nicanor sayes you doe And in your Postscript-answer to him here durst you deny it so much as in one syllable Are you not faine to conclude the point with him thus Our Prince is very well content from the Generall Assembly the highest Ecclesiasticke Court should come no appeale at all to him Belike from other Sessions and Presbyteries lies Appeale thither but there you are at the top 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Looke no higher then though sure the top is ever the Kings by right Obediunt simul regnant saith Choune Princes obey the Church but rule and governe it withall but with you it is simply obediunt nay g Synodo intersint non ut regnent sed ut serviant c. Bez. conf c. 5. art 15. serviunt by no meanes regnant You may make Acts censure depose excommunicate and no Appeale lies from you Indeed you slide it over with a mannerly expression our Prince is very well content c. but should the Bishops build up such an independent Supremacie and be questioned for it would it suffice for them to answer Our Prince is very well content That personate Iesuite as you call him objects you deny Kings Power to convocate Assemblies whereto you answer * Postscr p. 14 he knowes the contrary that you give to all Christian Soveraignes so much interest in affaires of the Church as to convocate Assemblies when and where they please but withall you hold indeed that without them you may convocate your selves in some case So tender you are of preserving in the Crowne that faire Diamond And so much you indigne at Choune though very innocent thereof that hee should transferre it to the Miter the fault is he did not indeed transferre it to the Presbytery Where bee it knowne That Ecclesiastick power is not to bee lessened by the expulsion of Bishops now it is jurisdiction but then it shall bee discipline 21. In your third Chapter you * P. 31. taxe my Lord of Canterbury for promoving Master Duries Negotiation with the Churches beyond Sea This Durie is a Scottish Minister that hath much pained himselfe travelling up and downe Germany to solicit an Vnion betwixt the Churches of the Augustan confession and the rest My Lord of Canterbury found his Predecessour Archbishop Abbot imbarqued in this designe and thereupon inclined the rather to give encouragement to it but ever kept himselfe within the bounds which his Predecessour had set Now if this be a fault there be many partakers For wee are made beleeve few Ambassadours or Agents in those parts few Doctours or Professors of their Vniversities that have not intermedled more or lesse to promove this action But after all I doubt you need not much feare the successe A synctetisme you say all good men did ever pant for but not a full peace I suppose you meane they should combine against the common enemy but still keepe at oddes amongst themselves Yet a syncretisme being not every daies Word you might have done well to explaine your selfe better and the rather because the Cretians had an ill name you know for cheating and cozening that possibly 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 may bee taken in a vicious sense to pack together for mischiefe And I thinke Beza uses it so in an Epistle of his to Bishop Grindall Quis porrò fuerit quorundam nuper adversus omnes harum Partium ac proinde etiam adversus Gallicas vestras quoque Ecclesias quas omnes nobiscum in omnibus doctriae capitibus consentire arbitramur conatus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 jam pridem ad vos usque perlatum esse Opinor Conatus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I hope this is not the syncretisme you have long panted for But a syncretisme you would have not a full peace though otherwise a man very peaceably minded Now wee in England are taught to pray thus That God would inspire continually his universall Church with the spirit of truth unity and concord and grant that not onely These and Those but even all they that confesse his holy name may agree in the truth of his holy word and live in unity and godly love 22. And thus much of Fact now to matter of Doctrine or Opinion wherein all that is objected will be found as hitherto it hath been lighter then vanity it selfe But when such things as these are printed with Licence and informed of as matters of very great consequence wee trust it will bee excused if wee lose a little time to give some answer at least to