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A06635 Via tuta the safe vvay. Leading all Christians, by the testimonies, and confessions of our best learned aduersaries, to the true, ancient, and catholique faith, now professed in the Church of England. By Humfrey Lynde Knight. Lynde, Humphrey, Sir. 1628 (1628) STC 17097; ESTC S109009 96,512 358

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of_o godly_a deceit_n wherewith_o the_o church_n do_v draw_v man_n unto_o some_o kind_n of_o action_n of_o devotion_n even_o as_o a_o father_n when_o he_o move_v a_o little_a child_n to_o run_v promise_v he_o a_o apple_n which_o notwithstanding_o he_o do_v not_o give_v he_o but_o i_o will_v proceed_v to_o the_o publication_n of_o witness_n whereby_o it_o shall_v appear_v by_o the_o evidence_n of_o their_o own_o learned_a man_n that_o this_o point_n of_o faith_n have_v no_o more_o antiquity_n and_o consent_n of_o father_n and_o schoolman_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n than_o the_o article_n before_o confess_v 3._o de_fw-fr jndulgentijs_fw-la pauca_fw-la dici_fw-la possunt_fw-la per_fw-la certitudinem_fw-la quia_fw-la nec_fw-la scriptura_fw-la express_v de_fw-fr ijs_fw-la loquor_fw-la sancti_fw-la etiam_fw-la ambrose_n hilarius_n etc._n etc._n minime_fw-la locutur_fw-la de_fw-la indulgentijs_fw-la durand_n 49._o sentent_fw-fr do_v 20._o q._n 3._o indulgentiae_fw-la authoritate_fw-la 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certitudo_fw-la habere_fw-la possit_fw-la veritatis_fw-la indagandae_fw-la open_a ferret_n verum_fw-la quia_fw-la null●e_fw-la scripturae_fw-la sacra_fw-la nulla_fw-la priscorum_fw-la doctorum_fw-la graecorum_n aut_fw-la latinorun_n authoritas_fw-la scripta_fw-la haec_fw-la ad_fw-la nostram_fw-la de_fw-la duxit_fw-la noti●iam_fw-la caiet_fw-mi opus_fw-la 15._o c._n 1._o neque_fw-la mirum_fw-la videri_fw-la debet_fw-la si_fw-la authores_fw-la anti_fw-la quiores_fw-la non_fw-la multos_fw-la habemur_fw-la qui_fw-la
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certain_a of_o the_o certainty_n of_o faith_n that_o he_o do_v receive_v a_o true_a sacrament_n for_o as_o much_o as_o the_o sacrament_n can_v be_v make_v without_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o minister_n and_o none_o can_v see_v another_o man_n intention_n this_o confession_n be_v lay_v for_o a_o positive_a ground_n of_o their_o religion_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v over_o throw_v in_o one_o tenet_n all_o certainty_n of_o true_a faith_n to_o begin_v with_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n if_o the_o priest_n intention_n fail_v by_o their_o doctrine_n the_o insant_n be_v not_o baptize_v he_o be_v but_o as_o a_o heathen_a out_o of_o the_o church_n and_o consequent_o in_o the_o state_n of_o damnation_n look_v upon_o their_o sacrament_n of_o order_n it_o be_v the_o confession_n of_o learned_a bellar_n i_o secundum_fw-la bellar._n de_fw-fr milit_fw-la eccles_n ca._n 10._o ad_fw-la secundum_fw-la if_o we_o consider_v in_o bishop_n their_o power_n of_o ordination_n and_o jurisdiction_n we_o have_v no_o more_o than_o a_o moral_a certainty_n that_o they_o be_v true_a bishop_n and_o there_o he_o give_v the_o reason_n for_o it_o because_o the_o sacrament_n of_o order_n depend_v upon_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o ordeiner_n look_v upon_o the_o sacrament_n of_o matrimony_n and_o of_o this_o there_o be_v no_o certainty_n because_o it_o do_v depend_v upon_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o minister_n and_o if_o he_o fail_v in_o his_o intention_n at_o the_o time_n of_o solemnisation_n the_o marry_a people_n live_v all_o their_o day_n in_o adultery_n so_o that_o by_o their_o own_o confession_n there_o be_v no_o certainty_n of_o christianity_n by_o baptism_n no_o certainty_n of_o their_o sacrament_n of_o order_n and_o consequent_o no_o certainty_n of_o succession_n in_o person_n which_o they_o so_o much_o magnify_v in_o their_o church_n beside_o if_o in_o the_o whole_a succession_n of_o pope_n and_o pastor_n the_o intention_n of_o any_o one_o priest_n do_v fail_v either_o in_o baptism_n or_o in_o order_n all_o succeed_a generation_n that_o ordain_v and_o consecrate_v both_o priest_n and_o people_n be_v become_v utter_o void_a and_o of_o none_o effect_n he_o that_o be_v bind_v upon_o a_o curse_n to_o believe_v seven_o sacrament_n and_o yet_o be_v not_o certain_a of_o any_o one_o must_v be_v save_v by_o a_o implicit_a faith_n and_o yet_o it_o be_v to_o be_v fear_v for_o want_v of_o their_o priest_n intention_n the_o poor_a ignorant_a soul_n do_v sometime_o worship_v a_o piece_n of_o bread_n because_o the_o consecration_n of_o christ_n body_n depend_v say_v they_o upon_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o priest_n and_o no_o man_n do_v know_v another_o man_n intention_n again_o touch_v their_o invocation_n of_o saint_n they_o be_v uncertain_a whether_o the_o saint_n do_v hear_v their_o prayer_n they_o be_v uncertain_a whether_o some_o they_o pray_v unto_o be_v saint_n in_o heaven_n or_o devil_n in_o hell_n touch_v the_o first_o 45._o biel._n in_o c●n._n missae_fw-la lect._n 28._o pet._n lomb._n senten_n lib._n 4._o do_v 45._o it_o be_v not_o certain_a say_v biel_n but_o it_o may_v seem_v probable_a that_o god_n reveal_v unto_o saint_n all_o those_o suit_n which_o man_n present_v unto_o they_o and_o say_v peter_n lombard_n it_o be_v not_o incredible_a that_o the_o soul_n of_o saint_n hear_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o suppliant_n here_o be_v nothing_o but_o probability_n and_o uncertainty_n and_o yet_o admit_v it_o be_v more_o than_o probable_a that_o they_o do_v hear_v our_o prayer_n yet_o there_o be_v no_o certainty_n that_o all_o such_o be_v saint_n which_o be_v canonize_v by_o the_o roman_a church_n ibid._n accedit_fw-la quod_fw-la miracula_fw-la quae_fw-la ab_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la suscipiuntur_fw-la in_o canonizationibus_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la quae_fw-la tamen_fw-la maximè_fw-la authentica_fw-la sunt_fw-la cum_fw-la humano_fw-la testimonio_fw-la innitantur_fw-la non_fw-la omnino_fw-la certa_fw-la sunt_fw-la quoniam_fw-la etc._n etc._n caret_fw-la in_o epusc_n de_fw-fr concep_n virg._n mar._n ca._n 1._o fidei_fw-la christianae_n certitudo_fw-la non_fw-la humano_fw-la mor●_n certa_fw-la esse_fw-la debet_fw-la sed_fw-la infallibile_fw-la omnino_fw-la debet_fw-la habere_fw-la testimonium_fw-la caret_fw-la ibid._n it_o can_v be_v know_v infallible_o say_v caietan_n that_o the_o miracle_n whereon_o the_o church_n ground_v the_o canonization_n of_o saint_n be_v true_a by_o reason_n the_o credit_n thereof_o depend_v on_o the_o report_n of_o man_n who_o may_v deceive_v other_o and_o be_v deceive_v themselves_o and_o upon_o this_o uncertainty_n saint_n austin_n complain_v in_o his_o day_n that_o many_o be_v torment_v with_o the_o devil_n who_o be_v worship_v by_o man_n on_o earth_n who_o reason_n and_o authority_n be_v so_o undoubted_o true_a 9_o bellar._n the_o sanct_a beat._n lib._n 1._o c._n 9_o that_o bellarmine_n have_v no_o way_n to_o avoid_v it_o but_o with_o a_o fortasse_fw-la etc._n etc._n peradventure_o say_v he_o it_o be_v none_o of_o augustine_n and_o yet_o if_o bellarmine_n answer_n be_v true_a which_o be_v but_o