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A56740 A discourse of the communion in one kind in answer to a treatise of the Bishop of Meaux's, of Communion under both species, lately translated into English. Payne, William, 1650-1696. 1687 (1687) Wing P900; ESTC R12583 117,082 148

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this_o say_v mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n to_o show_v the_o faithful_a have_v keep_v the_o two_o species_n in_o their_o vessel_n from_o rome_n to_o constantinople_n it_o ought_v before_o to_o have_v be_v certain_a that_o there_o be_v no_o priest_n in_o this_o vessel_n or_o that_o maximian_n of_o who_o st._n gregory_n speak_v in_o this_o place_n be_v none_o though_o he_o be_v the_o superior_a of_o a_o monastery_n but_o gregory_n speak_v not_o a_o word_n of_o any_o priest_n be_v there_o and_o maximian_n may_v be_v no_o priest_n though_o he_o be_v superior_a of_o a_o monastery_n for_o they_o and_o the_o monk_n be_v often_o no_o priest_n but_o if_o a_o priest_n have_v be_v there_o it_o have_v be_v unlawful_a for_o he_o according_a to_o the_o principle_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n to_o have_v consecrate_a the_o eucharist_n in_o such_o a_o tempest_n in_o a_o unconsecrated_a place_n and_o at_o sea_n where_o according_a to_o cassander_n ecclesiae_fw-la cassander_n lyturgic_n c._n 34._o haec_fw-la missa_fw-la sicca_fw-la i._n e._n sine_fw-la consecratione_fw-la &_o communicatione_n etiam_fw-la navalis_fw-la seu_fw-la nautica_fw-la dicitur_fw-la eo_fw-la quòd_fw-la in_o loco_fw-la fluctuante_fw-la &_o vacillante_fw-la ut_fw-la in_o mari_fw-fr &_o fluminibus_fw-la quibus_fw-la in_o locis_fw-la plenam_fw-la missam_fw-la celebrandam_fw-la non_fw-la putant_fw-la in_o libello_fw-la ordinis_fw-la missae_fw-la secundum_fw-la usum_fw-la romanae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la they_o be_v not_o permit_v to_o use_v consecration_n nor_o to_o have_v the_o full_a mass_n but_o only_o what_o he_o call_v the_o missa_fw-la sicca_fw-la and_o the_o missa_fw-la navalis_fw-la and_o it_o be_v plain_a baronius_n with_o who_o authority_n i_o be_o now_o urge_v the_o meaux_n be_v of_o the_o mind_n that_o the_o faithful_a do_v carry_v the_o two_o species_n in_o their_o vessel_n for_o he_o say_v so_o express_o in_o so_o many_o word_n 32._o word_n in_o navi_fw-la portasse_z navigantes_fw-la christi_fw-la corpus_fw-la &_o sanguinem_fw-la baron_fw-fr annal._n a_o 404._o n._n 32._o there_o be_v no_o get_v off_o