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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A17236	A briefe answer, vnto those idle and friuolous quarrels of R.P. against the late edition of the Resolution: by Edmund Bunny. Whereunto are prefixed the booke of Resolution, and the treatise of pacification, perused and noted in the margent on all such places as are misliked of R.P. shewing in what section of this answer following, those places are handled	Bunny, Edmund, 1540-1619.	1589 (1589)	STC 4088; ESTC S112819	102,685	176

bee that doo not care for anie Religion who yet notwithstanding would be loth to ioyne with the Pope for manie good causes in respect of their ciuil estate heere come you in againe after your wonted maner charging mee to say that this onely reason of State holdeth many on our side froe frō comming to you who otherwise in conscience would haue no scruple at all and therewithal you wonder that euer my Lord Archbishop would let such a confession to passe in print As though I had eyther plainelie professed or couertlie insinuated thereby that such as doo imbrace this religion especially doo it not in respect of religion it selfe but in some wordly respect onelie Which how foolish a cauill it is it selfe alone sufficiently declareth But then that you leese no time while your hande is in you go further and are bolde to say that though this poore Minister to terrifie the common people say you but these bugs terrifie your papacie more deuiseth bugs vppon the Ecclesiasticall authoritie of the Bishop of Rome yet your conclusion is that it is verie plaine and palpable that there is no such inconuenience But soft I pray you Did this poore Minister thinke you indeede deuise these bugs Were they neuer heard of before Are there no histories that you haue read or can beleeue that make mention of them Would you so faine so slily passe ouer the great complaints that the countries here-abouts as England France and Germanie continually haue made at home and abroad of this matter As for the examples of priuate men although they be infinite and of al sorts and degrees verie manie yet beeing but priuate and of seuerall persons it is not vnlikely but that such an one as professeth such blindnes as you do would readily say he saw none of them all But Fraunce and Germanie if you looke abroad are great States and England likewise if you can content your selfe at home And as for the two former of these three neither of them is so farre off nor in these your wilfull and graceles wandrings so vnknown vnto you but that you might easily know could you as readily acknowledge it when you do see it that in Fraunce Lewis the ninth Philip the faire Charles the fift sixt and seuenth did all prouide by publike authoritie against the couetousnes extortion ambition and pride of the Sea of Rome and that although Lewis the eleuenth in latter time was content at the Popes request to abolish the Pragmaticall sanction and other lawes that they had made to that purpose yet diuers Bishops the students of Paris and Iohannes Romanus the Kings Atturney a wise a learned an eloquent man would in no wise consent to the abolishing of them In Germany likewise the nobles and commons did earnestly sollicite Frederike of Austrich the Emperour both before his coronation and after for the redresse of those matters in such manner as Fraunce before had done and beeing at that time defeated by the wicked counsel of Aneas Siluius did neuertheles stil hold on the same endeuour whensoeuer opportunitie serued and to that ende put vp a supplication to Maximilian of ten speciall greeuances and an other of an hundred in the session of Noremberg to the Pope himselfe And for the other being an English-man though but a bad one in the quarrel that now you sustain neuer heard you what great stickling and busines about these matters there was betwixt William Rufus and Anselme Archbishop of Canterbury betweene Henry the first and not onely Anselme but Thurstan also the Archbishop of Yorke and betweene Henry the second and Thomas Becket that proud and arrogant and head-strong traitor Nor how Edward the third did to that end not onely reuiue the statute of Praemunire made before by Edward the first but also would in no wise abrogate the same though hee were much sollicited vnto it by Gregorie the eleuenth nor how Richard the second by publike authoritie likewise both reconfirmed and further strengthened the same nor howe though it was againe attempted to bee abolished in the raigne of Henry the sixt by the earnest intreatie of Martin the fift yet was it not obtained but still stood in force euen to this praesent age of ours If these thinges were straunge or but seldome heard of I would with good will haue noted vnto you the stories them-selues more at large and the places whence they are taken but being so euident and knowne as they are in is but lost labour to deale any further but onely to put you in mind of them How is it then that you goe about to perswade your reader that these are but bugs by mee deuised to terrifie the common people Haue you the face so to dissemble the weakenes of your cause to lay off the same you care not how vppon anie others Then are they vnwise that knowing this will heereafter be deceiued by you But to proceed is it the Ecclesiasticall authoritie of the Bishop of Rome whereon these bugs as you say are deuised Is that Ecclesiasticall authoritie of his of that nature that it can meddle with ciuill causes so manie so great and so verie much And are you sure that neither the Empire nor the kingdoms of Spaine Fraunce Polo●an nor others nor the auncient Princes of this realme of England euer found the inconuenience that now we speake of that the Princes of England were for so manie ages togither more potent and glorious than they haue beene since the suppression thereof and that the matter you speake of is in it selfe so plaine and palpable Certainely whosoeuer it is that can so boldlie affirme these wee haue no great occasion to hope that hee wil make conscience of anie thing else and there is an other Note-this for you to put in your margent because you are faine to fetch them so farre for want that you haue them not so neere as you would After this you come to an other as proper a shift as most of those that are gone before For whereas I had saide before that it was the safest way to rest in Christ alone for the whole woorke of our redemption and that in such sort as that wee sought no helpe of Angell or of Saint of our owne or other folkes merits heere come you in with a fonde collection and childish cauill that by this reason such as should neuer pray nor desire others to pray for him hee that should neuer fast nor doo other good deede but should rather defie the same and lay all vpon the passion of Christ should be the neerest to that aduauntage But can you in good sadnes no better perceiue how these two may stand togither both for to rest in Christ alone for the whole woorke of our redemption and yet to be occupyed therwithall in such woorks as God hath prepared for vs to walke in Or if needes you would carpe here at might you not by the like reason haue carped at many places of

you alledge are The first was that wheras you talked as you say of Catholike priests that heare confessione I made you to say men that be skilful to giue counsell And true indeed that whereas you had so framed your speech as best might serue you to restraine the wife comfortable handling right managing of a christian soule only to those whom you vntruly cal catholike priests withall to establish that lewd deuise of your auricular confession to make it a sacramēt too I on the other side leauing those your contentious brablings quietly exprest the matter you had in hand in such other tearms as might sufficiently expresse the thing it selfe not leane to any of those corruptions neither But as I forbare to name you so may you see that I tooke not the place to our selues Though I 〈◊〉 out that vnruly and disorderly companie of yours whome you would so faine commend vnto vs vnder the name of Catholike Priests then the which they are nothing lesse yet did I not so fra●●● it as that it might seeme to import none but our selues by putting in the Ministers of the Gospell into their roomes but left the description 〈◊〉 indifferent to you if so you could imploy yourselues as I did vnto vs. This is the partialitie that heere I vsed and the like might bee saide of both the others 13 Concerning the cause that you haue in hand the matter that you chiefly charge me withall is partly for that I haue put thereto somewhat of mine owne but especially for that I haue taken so much out of yours That which I put to ●● mine owne was so little in it selfe and so indifferently and sparingly done that as you haue taken it nothing so greeuously as the other so in much you needed to haue found no fault at all And yet notwithstanding I will not denie but that in this point you had the aduantage against mee if there were anie thing materiall therein because that the mention thereof was omitted in my pr●face to the Reader and the additions themselues in som few places no better distinguished But now that your selfe haue made the search let vs see what it is that thereby you haue found The places that your selfe haue gotten and wherein you find your selfe most greeued in this kind are in al but three and those of no speciall importance but that well they might haue beene omitted by me sauing onlie that thereby you might better perceiue howe little cause you had to bee offended in this also First you charge mee that whereas you had set downe that our Sauiour beeing demaunded by a certaine Prince how he might be saued would giue him none other hope but onely by keeping the Commandements saying If thou wilt enter into life keep the Commandements there doo I helpe the matter with a parenthesis saying he would giue him none other hope so long as he sought saluation by his works but keepe the Commandements The next is that whereas you alledged out of Saint Paul and out of the Reuelations that men shall be crowned in heauen according to their fight in his life I bodged in as you say this parenthesis in some good measure thereby to limit the Holy Ghost in his meaning The third and last is that whereas you alledged plainly the words of Scripture No man knoweth whether he be woorthie of loue or hatred in Gods sight I added this parenthesis by outward thinges These are all the places that you charge me withall I likewise do willingly acknowledge that for the first last it is true but as touching the second I say that there you haue somewhat depraued my wordes from the sense that I had giuē them And now as touching my dooings herein it was meet that seeing you labour so much to establish your owne righteousnes as to make a way to saluation thereby and to keepe men alwaies in doubt of the fauour of God towardes them so to make your owne wares more saleable to all and to that end peruerted these places of Scripture the better to shrowd those naughtie errours but gainefull ●●to you vnder the cloake and shewe of truth I on the other side should bee as carefull that no 〈◊〉 tooke occasion of error by either of them Which how could I on your behalfe more easily haue doone than by giuing so briefe an interpretation vppon those places especially when as my interpretation is such as is not mine but borrowed of others greater than I as your selfe doeth or may knowe and verie agreeable vnto the truth of the places themselues But as touching this place of Ecclesiastes which also you haue not rightlie quoted whereas it pleaseth you to say that you plainely alledged the woordes of that place as plainely as you haue doone it yet notwithstanding if you will take the paines to consider of your dooinges againe you may plainely perceiue first that you haue added three woordes in the ende more than the text it selfe dooth yeelde by anie translation whatsoeuer though yet notwithstanding it stand well ynough with the sense of the place then also these woordes hee bee woorthie whereon the chiefe strength of your sense consisteth are not found in the Hebrew it selfe nor in Saint Ierome when of set purpose hee interpreteth the place although I denie not but that in your common vulgar translation which gladlie you would father vppon him it bee there for this point as corruptly interpreted as it is heere alledged by you So likewise more specially to consider of that other place of yours where you say that I bodged in that parenthesis in some good measure if you marke the place better you shall finde that I did not adde these woordes vnto the affirmatiue as you haue framed them to your better aduauntage which indeed had beene more obscurely spoken and that you haue corruptly cited both my woordes and yours also For you saide before that none should bee crowned there in the life to come but according to the measure of his fight in 〈…〉 and thereunto cited those places of Scripture which yeeld no such matter vnto you but onely that such as striue heere shall ouercome and bee crowned there without anie apportioning of it according to their measure of striuing as you had framed it Whereas therefore you had further gone than those places did warrant and would gladly abuse that also to the mainteinance of some of your errours not eating in the meane season howe you tormented a weake conscience which way could I in fewer wordes and with lesse alteration of those that you had giuen mee both haue answered those places you cited and prouided for the broken heart against such discomfortable doctrine as you would gladlie haue forced vppon it out of the same Weigh then the matter a little better and you shall see the bodging that you speake of to be so bound with the ba●●bias that you put on it that needes it must holde the contrarie course to

not restrained further among vs than the woorde of God alloweth it to be Which latter point was in no wise to be reprooued by you considering how fowly you are polluted because you doo so far abandon that holie ordinance of God from you And yet are you so eagerly set thereon that to force that aduauntage on your side you haue depraued both my Annotation and Saint Augustines rule besides which faine you would haue strengthened against vs therin With like wisedome and honestie is it that when wee aduaunce the blessednes of these daies to the glorie of God and ioy that our monie dooth not nowe goe foorth to the mainteinance of forraine power abroad you call the one intolerable lying flatterie the other you 〈◊〉 is but a fiction As touching my selfe there ●●ede bee no question but that you are througly ●●●gred with me you do so vnquietly take whatsoeuer I doo whatsoeuer I say When I bring in that sentence of Scripture Iesus Christ yesterday today and the same for euer you cannot tell what I should meane thereby and besides you abuse for my sake I feare the sentence it selfe When I am so bold as to gesse that a good part of your booke might be taken out of certain of the Schoolmen thereupon I must bee so ignorant in them that I do not so much as knowe what they treat on and yet both you know that so it might and your self are faine both to shut vp your eies that you might in no wise see whom I speake of and there also to alter my words againe to your aduauntage Afterward in the Pacification not onely the methode misliketh you when as notwithstanding you doe finde no fault with it but also whatsoeuer I say that do you euer almost take in a contrarie sense when as notwithstanding the woordes bee cleere inough in themselues as before is declared But then comming to your owne sweet selues the copie of your countenance is by and by altered and there you put on more amiable lookes For you forsooth are the onely men that can make books of deuotion pretie contemplation you perhaps it is wel that this commeth in with perhaps will one day declare that our profession is such as hath nothing at all in heauen nor in earthy to mooue men vnto it but onely respect of temporal commoditie but yours hath all So that now for deuotion and the controuersies also all the learning that thereunto belongeth lieth altogither with you and none with vs. And yet are you no sooner entered into the remembrance of the learning you haue found in manie of vs and name 〈◊〉 in the controuersies that are betwixt vs but that by and by you call hard vpon vs for bookes of deuotion when you were desirous to say somewhat against vs by the authoritie and force of some speciall places in all your store you found none other but such as did most readily turne against your selues when you thought you had Cyprian to accord vnto you in your perswasion of our glorified estate it appeereth you did not vnderstand your owne author when you heard that the silence of the blessed Virgin and of other Disciples of Christ leauing him vnto the reproch of all men and nothing at all defending his innocencie against them was a breach of diuers of Gods commaundements you could not tell how to begin to find it the breach of anie one To which end also may bee referred that knowledge and faith is with you but of one weeks learning your grosse and rude definition of a Christian man your imperfect discourse against despaire your so vnskilfull reckoning of those yeres that I haue admonished you of so distinctly and plainly set downe in the text it selfe But the more you denie learning to those that so readilie finde such ignorances in you in so small a roome so manie togither in a woorke that was laboured and car●●●ing with it great vaunts of learning the strongger you conclude against your selfe the more haue you brought your selfe in question and the lesse are you able nowe to cast off the selfe-same reproch that you were so desirous to cast vpon vs. All which if nowe you had rather to haue in lesse roome it is no more in effect but this that you haue boldly borne vs in hand of much you haue mistaken depraued and falsified more and freelie haue you taken your libertie and pleasure to carpe at all but otherwise against me or for your selfe that is woorth the writing or woorth the reading you haue brought as little as may bee and that is nothing 38 This is in a manner the effect of all your labours heerein these are the causes you had to complaine and this is the busines you haue made thereupon And now haue I no more at this time to say vnto you because I see no such temper in you as may put mee in anie hope to doo you anie good by sound admonition For seeing that you haue so manie waies so ill a cause not onelie in your religion now but also in your naughtie dealings against princes and states themselues yet notwithstanding are in no wise able your selues to find it nor can be made to perceiue it by those that do most plainly point you vnto it how many we thinke otherwise of you but that either you are starke blind and can see nothing at all or els haue hardened your hartes so much against the mercifull calling of God that though you see it yet you cannot beleeue it nor yeeld your selue in obedience vnto it If it be so then is it cleere that in that case there can bee no dealing with you● your conuersion so long as the iustice of GOD doth leaue you therein to your selues Yet others may see and acknowledge in you the feareful but righteous iudgements of God that hauing followed idols so much as you haue nowe are you become idols your selues hauing eies and yet not able to see eares and yet not able to heare faire nostrels to see too and yet hauing in them of this kind of life no breath at all Insomuch that nowe we haue in you experience againe of that which hath beene taught vs before that as the wares of God are plaine and right vnto the iust so are they stumbling-blockes to the wicked and that Christ himselfe in the wisedome of the Father is in so wonderfull maner giuen vnto vs as that although he be in Sion a chiefe corner-stone ebect and pretious to them that beleeue yet is hee likewise a stone to stumble at a rocke of offence to them which stumble at the woord and are disobedient Go your waies therefore yee shrinking children that haue forsaken the Lord of life and counted your selues vnwoorthie of him that haue had the Gospell deliuered vnto you by Christ himselfe and haue not kept it that all this while bearing the world in hande that you are the onelie builders can neuer bee induced to haue