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A10173	Protestants demonstrations, for Catholiks recusance All taken from such English Protestant bishops, doctors, ministers, parlaments, lawes, decrees, and proceedings, as haue beene printed, published, or allowed among them in England; since the cominge of our king Iames into this kingdome: and for the most parte within the first six or seuen yeares thereof. And euidentlie prouinge by their owne writings, that english Catholiks may not vnder damnable syn, co[m]municate with English Protestants, in their seruice, sermons, or matters of religion: and soe conuincinge by the[m]selues, their religio[n] to be most damnable, & among other things, their ministery to bee voide, false & vsurped.	Broughton, Richard, attributed name.	1615 (1615)	STC 20450; ESTC S112509	81,861	158

the want of good workes is a knowledge and distinguishing signe belonginge to chaffe false disciples children of Sathan and vnbeleeuers to discerne them from the true beleeuers and seruants of God I argue thus Noe societie Congregation or companie of men which by their owne testimonies doe not onely want good workes but bee generally defiled with most heynous and greuous syns can bee the children of God true beleeuers or to bee communicated with in causes of Religion But the english protestants are in this condition Therefore not the true beleeuers true church or to bee communicated with in spirituall things The maior proposition is the common doctrine of all those protestant churches before remembred And the minor proposition of the impietie and wickednes of protestants is thus proued by their owne writings M. Hull speakinge of his fellowe protestants writeth thus These are the dayes whereof our Sauiour Hull Rom. polec pref●● Christ and his Apostles soe longe agoe prophesied wherein charitie should waxe colde and faith should searce appeare wherein men should bee ●●idebacks from Christ and Apostates from true Religion wherein they should bee louers of themselues couetous cursed speakers disobedient vntankefull vnholy true breakers false accusers despisers of them that are good traytors headie high minded louers of pleasures more them of God hauinge a shewe of Godlines but haue denyed the power thereof yea wherein men are become vsers newters temporisers Atheistes An other protestant writeth in these termes The protestans Cort. consid●rat An. 1605. epist d●dicat Religion of England is much like an euill herbe which if it bee not speedely rooted vpp but suffered to spreade will soone ouerspreade the gard●ns of God with vice and impietie as there will scarcely Willet Antilog pa 28 hath these words Wee iustely complayne of the prophanes of these times and of the ouerflowinge of iniquitie euen where Religion is moste puerly professed Then that Religion must needs bee Parkes Apolog epist dedicat impuer by their former doctrine M. Parkes alsoe speakinge of protestants speaketh in this maner euery man maketh Religion the handemaide of his affections We● are come to that declinge age of the worlde foretolde by the Apostle 2. Tim. 1. 2. 3. 4. wherein men should bee louers of themselues fastidious arrogant couetous maledicous immorigerous c. for euen such are these our times selfe loue hath banished sobrietie prid● humilitie malice charitie disobedience dutie dissention vnitie prophanesse sanctitie and in a 〈◊〉 sayned zeale true deuotion Concerninge the pretended ministers how far they are ouerwhelmed with wickednes is spoken befor To which I add these protestant testimonies M. Ormerod writeth thus The taunts and contumelies Ormer pict pur f. 3. l 4. of Ministers against Ministers are vnchristean they refuse to salute one an other but one spitteth in the face of an other wishinge the plaque of God to light vppon them saying they were damned Neither is this peculiar to english ministers for the protestant relator of religion writeth thus of forreyne ministers In the diuision Relation cap. 4● of protestants into their factions the ministers haue soe behaued themselues that it threatneth a greate ruyne and calamitie neither is there any greate doubt but if any stay and agreement could bee taken with the turke all Germanie wers in daunger to bee in vproare within it selfe by intestine dissention To this lamentable extremitie hath the headines of the mininisters brought it But of their moste wicked both doctrine and behauiour against princes and common wealthe I will entreate hereafter In the meane time it i● allreadie euident that this moste vile and prophane state of wickednes is not in some few as may bee fownde amonge men of true Religion not lyuinge accordinge to the rules thereof But generall and vniuersall which must needs proceede from the nature of their pretended Religion it selfe hauing in yt and publishinge to the worlde to all men to vewe and followe soe many errors tendinge and leadinge vnto all libertie and licentiousnes of life and neither hauinge sacraments or any instrument of grace to preuent synnes and their occasions in any callinge or state of men marryed o● vnmaryed olde or yonge cleargie or laitie lyuinge or dyinge nor any one rule to warrant vnto them for true faith any one article which they hold whether in yt selfe it bee true or false all which more absurdities of such nature are demonstratiuely befor proued against them by their owne writings The 11. particular protestant demonstration for Catholicks iust Recusancie is Because the English protestants by their owne writings are not onely enemies to the temporall princes claime of supreamacie in ecclesiasticall causes aduauncing their Bishops and presbyteries aboue yt but deny alsoe his suu●ranitie in matters temporall by their consequences NOw lett vs come to those Questions for which soe many Catholicks and Religeous parsons haue suffered Martyrdome and moste greuous persecutions in the times of kinge Henry 8. Queene Elizabeth and our present Soueraigne kinge Iames the claymed supreame spirituall power of temporall princes in cause ecclesiasticall in this kingedome and that power and Authoritie concerning temporall princes which these english protestants affirme Catholickes doe giue to the Pope of the highest apostolicke See of Rome proued before by these protestants to bee supreame heade gouernor an earthe of Christs churche and greatest commaunding iudge in spirituall causes I am to proue in this demonstration That these protestant Bishops puritanes and presbyterie by their owne testimonies giue not soe much power and authoritie to the tēporall prince as wee doe And yett arrogate challendge to themselues in their pretended Bishops and presbiterie more commaunde iurisdiction and authoritie ouer temporall kings and princes then Catholicke writers and scholes allowe or attribute to the Pope of Rome And that if the parlament had framed an oathe as much concerninge the power of their Bishops and presbiteries as their soe named Oathe of alleadgeance concerneth the Popes priuil●dges Noe protestant or puritane by the groundes of their Religion should coulde or might haue taken yt What they would or will doe in such a case I dare not vndertake for men soe conuicted before to bee by their owne testimonies most notorious dissemblers deceauers willfull seducers lyers periured and foresworne people in matters of Religion And this is made moste manifest that allthough they generally condemne their owne Religion for hereticall their seruice for damnable their ministery for Antichristian or none at all their supposed ordination for ridiculous The articles of their Religion for false and erroneous Their Canons and Censures to bee vngodly vnlawfull as is proued by themselues before and absolutely deny the kings supreamacie in most daūgerous degree as will be euidēt against them by their owne writings in this Chapter yett contrary to all ●ruthe Religion conscienc● and morall honestie they haue generally sworne protested subscribed vnto and doe practice to their owne damnation in these

vvould braue him to his face And in open parlament pa. 4. sup his maiesties wordes bee these The sect of puritanes is vnable to bee suffered in any vvell gouerned K. speache in parlam 19. Mart. An. 1603. commonvvealthe Then the parlamentarie protestants agreing with them as they haue absolutely tolde vs in all essentiall things such as these bee must needs bee as guiltie in these Crimes And the rather because their protestant Brethren that were Authors of the offer Offer of Cōf●r p. 35. of Conference write in these wordes The ministers doe much more aduaunce the Roall dignitie then the prelates doe Then if the protestant Bishops with their ministers doe more disallowe the Royall dignitie then the puritans which as before doe vtterly ouerthrowe and take yt away they must needs deny all Royall dignitie and Regalitie especially if they will retayne the name of protestants for the same protestants haue further written that those positions soe contrarie to the princely and Regall state were the doctrine of the vvorthiest protestants And to Offer supr pag. 18. 19 shew that these parlament protestants and some in credite amonge them will bee of the same opinion with these worthiest protestants D. Morton confirmeth the manifest treasons Rebellion of his fellow protestants in seekinge Morton Replic part 2. pag. 100 101 against the statutes of this kingedome and the last will and testament of K. Henry 8. not onely to disable the Regiment of Queene Mary and Elizabeth but to ouerthrowe the inheritance and right of his maiestie to be lawfull Actions To iustifie the Rebellion of his protestant Bishops Cranmer and Ridley hee writeteth thus Morton s●● pag. 110. whereof can you accuse Cranmar Ridley and all protestants for takinge Armes against Queene Mary from whence I conclude if they were to bee accused of nothinge as euill Then because non datur actus indifferens in indiuiduo no● Act in particular is indifferent but good or bad their Act not to bee accused for euill by Doctor Morton must needs bee good And soe to make Rebellion against a lawfull prynce is not onely lawfull but vertuous and commendable by his diuinitie That euery of their pretended Bishops and presbiteries must iudge in causes of princes 〈◊〉 proued by them before Yett hee approueth these protestant propositions when a kinge commaundeth against God hee vsurpeth pag. 116. Gods throne and herein hee loseth his Royaltie which is to bee obeyed Terrene princes bereaue themselues of power when they arise against God yea are vnworthie to bee accompted in the nomber of men Therefore wee must rather spitt on their heades then obey them Hee mayntayneth Caluins pag. 119. expellinge the lawfull prince of Geneua and these propositions of Luther protestant● hands must bee embrued with blood and that bee pag. 120. had warrant from God to battail● against Prynces The positions of Tyndall were soe impious that I finde them not printed in Fore his monuments of the laste editions yett D. W●llet auoweth them for lawfull doctrine Wherein these bee conteyned Euery man is Lorde of other mens goods The children of faith are vnder no● Willet Anti pag. 203 lawe Syn cannot condemne vs. Hee that desireth more may reade M. Foxe in the first edition Hee alsoe compareth the rebelleous death of pag. 178. up Zwinglius to the death of good Iosias D. Feild speakinge of that greate protestant Rebellion writeth thus That Zvvingliu● dying in the Feild vvith his contry●en in defence of their Religion i● Fild l. 3. pag. 188. an excellent proofe and demonstration of the christian magnanimitie and resolution that rested in him Then if it is not onely a lawfull act but an excellent Demonstration of the grea●e heroicall vertue Christian magnanimitie That princes are not to bee obeyed but spitt vppon if they differ in Religion that protestant hands must bee ●mbrued with blood in such affaires euery man is Lord of others goods Protestants doe well in d●posinge or expellings princes ●● these parlament protestants teach vs I may iustely conclude The opinions of them bothe bee moste damnable Owen l. pil and her pa 46 47. 48. 49 50. 51. 52. 53. in this poynt And therefore they are not to bee communicated with in such Religion To these M. Dauid Owen addeth the rebellious both doctrine and practize of these prim● pro●●stants The Citizens of Geneua Ihon Guluy●● Christopher Goodman Knoxe T●eodore Beza the outlandish chur●hes in London Iunius Eusebius Philadelphus Danaeus George Buchanan Thomas Cartwright Hermanus Renegerus Robert Rollo●ke William Buchanan and others their very names are too tedious to bee recited their treasonable positions and practices able to furnish a whole volume and not to bee conteyned in this brouiate what their agreement is in this poynt will appeare by the very title of the 9. chapter of his booke in these wordes The ninth chapter sheweth the generall Consent of the moderne puritanes touching Owen supr cap 9. pag. 46 the coertion deposition and killinge of kinges whome they call Tyrants Therefore ●seing this killing doctrine is the generall doctrine of them that agree with protestants in all essentiall things protestants alsoe must hold them and wee may not communicate with such men in such things bothe for this and soe many euident demonstrations of the like nature before from their owne published and publickly printed or allowed writings and proceedings in Religeous busines Many others that might be added in this matter I Willingly passe ouer as little needfull where soe many and manifest condemnations of these protestants both Religion and persecution haue passed from their owne pens pulpitts parlaments consistories and sentences against themselues to their euerlastinge shame and confusion Which I would alsoe haue passed ouer among other sufferrings with sylence had not their manifold and late barbarous dealings especially of some in their foe termed ministery and their depen●●nts and confederates enforced mee to this maner of confutation That which remayneth God of his infinite mercie blesse preserue and prosper his Maiestie Queene and Children together with the nobilitie and this kingedome with all spirituall and temporall blessings and graces and conuert all that bee in error to his holy truthe An soe I make an end FINIS The faults escaped in printing I pray thee gentle reader of thy Curtesy to Correct them

preisthood which your new learninge and womanly diuinitie haue pronownced treasonable And your present protestant Archbishop and all others directors of M. Mason teaching that all Archbishops M●son epis● dedicator of Canterbury before your first pretended and protestantlie made Bishop Matthew parker were from S. Mason in c●ns●crat of Matthew parker Suecliffe pag d●●ell pag. 4. 5. Feild l of the church Mas●n supr Augustine consecrated after the Romane maner and otherwise then you practise must bee of the same opinion for our preists were made by them And as D. Sutclisfe D. Feild M. Mason and others testifie by this forme Receaue power to offer sacrifice for the quick and the deade which is now vsed in the church of Rome in which noe treason but much spirituall power and honor is conteyneth And such as it enforceth your present Ministery by all pretence Statut. An. 27 Elizab cap 1. M●sm Sutcl●●eild sup c. they can to clayme though with note of treason their callinge from that ordination And such that it maketh the lawful soe ordered to bee soe honorable that a cheife doctor in your Religion hath written of them in thes most D Couell def of hooker pag. 87 reuerend termes ●o thes parsons God imparteth power ouer his misticall bodye which is the societie of soules and ouer that naturall which is himselfe for the knittinge of bothe in one which Antiquitie doth call the making of Christs bodie By blessinge visible elements it Couell sup pag. 105. maketh them inuisible grace it giueth daily the holy ghost it hath to dispose of that flesh which was giuen for the life of the worlde and that blood which was powred out to red●eme soules Couell sup pag. 87 88. 91. it is a power which neither prince nor potentate kinge nor Caesar on earth can giue Then this state a function soe honorable with God and renowned in his holie church by the sentence of your owne doctors may not bee condemned for a state of Treason And soe manie Reuerend preists aboue one hundred and twentie besides diuers of Religious orders miserablie tortured and putt to death for that onelie cause in Englang since that Edics of Queene Elizabeth were not Traytors and malefactors but happie Saints and blessed Martyrs And your protestant persecution in puttinge soe manie the fourth third part or more of that little companie to that cruell death with other manifold Afflictions vppon your contrie Catholicks hath giuen occasion for straungers to thinke and a famous protestant amonge you to write in this maner The sufferings and S. Edwyne Sandes in his Booke Relation of the state of Religion cap. 31. Martyrdomes of English Catholicks in thes times are accōpted to the height of Neroes Dioclesians persecutions and the sufferings on their side both in meritts of cause in extremitie of Torments and in constancie and patience to the renowned martyrs of that heroicall church age Which noe man can denie if hee consider how manie hundred yeares wee enioined peace honor renowne aboue the third part of the possessions and reuenewes of this kingdome with all Bishopricks Monasteries and church liuings with their priuiledges and prerogatiues Hollnish hist. in will Conq Speed ib. Booke of Domesday c. And now are not onelie spoiled and depriued of them all but stiled branded and reproached with such Infamous titles additio●s slaunders and miseries as neuer any such example can bee produced of like and soe longe persecutions prosecuted against the auncient possessioners of Religion and religeous preeminences by soe late and new inuention by straungers or enemies much lesse by contrimen add professors of Christianitie And yett his maiesties regall sentence is my minde was K speach in parlam 19. of marrh An. 1603. euer free from persecution or thrallinge of my subiects in matters of conscience And againe Correction without instruction which as before you cannot sufficientlie giue vnto vs is but tirannie And writinge against Contadus vorstius the dutche hereticke proueth that if Catholicks should bee in error yett they are soe far from deseruing persecution and persecution of such nature that their case needeth not fraternall or frendly correption or admonition The wordes of his Censure bee thes If the subsect of vorstius his heresies Declaratiō An. D. 1612. in the cause of D. Conrud vorst pag. 46. 47. had not beene grownded vppon questions of an higher qualitie then touching the number and nature of the sacraments the point of iustification of meritts of purgatorie of the visible heade of the church or any such matters as are in controuersie at this day betwixt the papists vs wee doe freely professe wee should neuer haue troubled our selues with the busines in such fashion And yett all which was done therin was but a gentle and frendlie Admonition without any breache of peace leaque or amitie with that people Isaac Casaub resp ad epist. Cardi Per. in praefat Feild l. of the church Your Champion Casaubou that hath priuiledge soe often to call his doctrine the faith of our kinge the faith of the english church telleth you that thes controuersies cannot bee determined without a generall councell to whome D. Feild subscribeth and attributeth onely to that power to define and punish for such things And next to that yeeldeth primarie doth of Iudgment and to bee obeyed to the church of Rome his Feild supr l. 4. cap. 5. words bee thes Yt is more to bee respected and reuerenced then the authoritie of catholicke doctors and Bishops or other apostolicke churches Casaubon well knowinge the weakenes Casaubon supr of your cause addeth first because you haue noe hope of a generall cowncell that soe greate libertie of writinge one against an other might cease againe hee wisheth that seueris legibus ●trinque coerceretur that it were brideled on each side with seuere lawes Then you know by your owne doctors and Iudgments how greate and not to bee named offence it is with seuere lawes or edicts to commaunde and execute soe vndue and rigourous persecutions against them whome you cannot Iudge or condemne not being condemnable But because after soe manie humble and earnest suites and petitions english Catholicks can finde noe hope of other triall but to make their professed Enemies in this case and persecutors their Masters teachers accusers Iudges and and sentencers I am enforced to accept that moste vnequall and vnreasonable conflict to make your owne present protestant writers and proceedings Iudges betweene them and vs in their owne cause knowinge they dare not Lactāt firdiuin insti l. 4. de vera sapient ca. 12. Morton in appeale ep dedicat with any impudencie denye against the light reason and the christian philosopher that it is an inuincible argument to proue truthe which is graunted or made by enemies themselues especiallie seing by their common Harolde Doctor Morton they haue publicklie proclaimed yt in thes wordes The assistance of learned aduersaries wee

greate prosperi●y seuen and thirtie yeares and odd monethe● professing voluntary pouertie Went to Rome where in the habit of a Religeous man hee ended his life in poore estate And Ethelburga his wife became a vayled Nunne was made Abb●sse of Barkinge neare london wherein shee ended her life The Brethren of Ina● were kenten whose sonne was Aldome Abbat of Malmesbury and Bishop of Sherborne And if wee desire Example from the the Norman Race Kinge William the first by by some syrnamed Conqueror may bee added both to encouradge vs to continue in the Religion of the church of Rome and to bee fearefull either to persecute or forsake yt of him his affaires this Theater entreateth thus His holy father Pope Alexander tke seconde sett in a Theater sup pag 418. n. 19. foote sending twoe Cardinalls and a Bishop from the See Apostolick in a Councell degraded stigand Archbishop of Canterbury EgelWine Bishop of the easte Angles besides diuers other Bishops and Abbots of the english nation depriued for noo euident cause but onely to giue place to the Normans in fauour of the kinge Kinge William gaue his oathe vppon the holy Euangelists and the relicks pag. 421. of S. Alban● the Martyr Pope Gregoire sendeth hither his bulls against the mari●d cleargie Pope Gregorie in all generall Synode excluded the maryed preists from execution of their holy offices and pag. 422. forbad they lay men to hear● their Masses our Lords body and the blood of our Lord consecrated by preists To shewe how iustly and seuerely God punished the hinderance of Masse● and profession of that Religion speaking of the destroying of Religeous howses and churches hee writeth thus Kinge William pulleth downe pag. 421. 36. mother churches from mans vse and Gods seruice in Hamt●hire novv new forest Richard hi● second sonne there dyed goared vvith a deare or blasted vvith a pestilent ayre and Rusus his other 〈◊〉 46. sonne mistaken for a deare shott through vvith an Arrovve by vvalter Tyr●ll Henry likevvise his grandchilde by Robert Curtoise persuing the chase vvas struken vvith a bough in the Iavves and as Absalon le●t hanging vntill hee died t●es punishments vvith a straunge earth quake and other straunge hinges ascribed for taking away vse of Gods seruice And speaking of his greate repentance and vertuous end hee writeth thus Hee pag. 425. n. 65. 66. 64. builded many religeous howses moste certayne it is that in the verie same place Where kinge Harolds standard was pitched and vnder which himselfe was slayne there William the Conqueror laid that foundation Battle Abb●y d●dicating yt to the Holy Trinitie and to S. Martine that there the monkes might pray for the soules of Harold and pag. 423. the rest that were slayne in that place hee repenteth him of his crueltie in England doth not a●count yt his owne but Gods Hee giueth his Crowne and ornaments therto belonging to the monkes pag. 422. 423. of Saint Stephen in Cane Hee giueth to his sonne Henry Beaucler●ke onely 5000. prounde without any contry proph●syinge how hee should bee heire to all Th● dying kinge for kinge must dye hauinge pag. 424. nu 56. pag. 223. raised vp his weake body vppon the pillo●es hard the sounde of the greate Bell in the metropolitane church of Saint G●●uis neare Roan demaundinge the cause one replyed that it did then ring● prim● to our ladi● ●herevpon with greate deuotion lifting his eyes towards heauen spreadinge abroade his handes I commend myselfe saith hee to that blessed ladie Mary Mother of God that shee by her holy prayers may reconcile mee to her most deare owne our Lord Iesus Christ and with thes wordes yeelded vp the Ghost Their protestant Archbisop Parker is lately with applaose new printed and speaking of the Romane Religion and authoritie abrogated by the new lawes of kinge Henry the 8. writeth thus Parker Antiq. Britan p 329. His legibus by thes lawes the power of the Pope that had continued in England aboue 900. yeares hee meaneth from the tyme of our Conuersion by S. Augustine sent hether by Pope and Saint Gregory was ouerthrown● And M. Mason Masō booke of Consecr in M. Park with his directing protestant Bishops assure vs that this Matthew Parker was allowed for Archbishop of Canterbury by other order then any his predecessors in the See of Canterbury Therefore wee may not forsake the Religion of Rome soe embraced and honored by all Christian kinges princes Bishops and true beleeuing subiects vntill this time of protestants by their owne testimonies Againe I argue in this maner Noe Religion that is soe farr from truthe and to bee iustifiable for good and holy that the cheifest professors and doctors thereof acknowledge generally that it is false erroneous or fallible may bee communicated withall But the English parlament protestant Religion is such Therefore not to bee communicated with The maior proposition is euidently true for as thes protestants haue taught vs before noe communion is to bee had in spirituall things with men of a false and deceatefull Religion for such by noe possibilitie can bee the infallible and most vndoubted word reuelation of God which by noe power can either bee false or doubtfull But the phantasticall deuise Imagination and humane hereticall Inuention of seducers The minor proposition is soe generally graunted by the protestants of England That D. Morton Morton Apolog part 2. pag. 315. with publicke pri●iledge absolutely for them all writeth thus Thesis generalis nullus est omnino in ecclesia cuius Iudicium est infallibilis authoritatis Yt is a generall maxime And so to bee receaued of them all That there is non at all in the church whose iudgment is of vnfallible a●thoritie D. Willet giueth this testimonie In England will Antilog praef angl pa. 71. 120. 150 43. Praefat. to the Reader supr the temporall prince is Gouernor Ruler cheefe Ouerseer and Steward of the church to whose Iudgment and redresse the reformation of Religion belongeth Yet thee addeth thus neither hee nor any in their church haue any priuiledge from error And this is soe manifest by the often chaungings and choppings of their Religion by kinge Henry 8. kinge Edward 6. and Queene Elizabeth that to goe noe further their errors and contradictions defended and published by their owne statutes are shamefull to bee recited and soe euidently knowne that their protestant Bishop of Peterborough Doue persuasion with others doe freely acknowledge yt that all protestant princes with their church had erred and seduced others Or yf against all hope or possibilitie in S. Edwyne sands opinion wee Relation of Religion might expect a generall councell by their doctrine which not onely hee but all protestants confining spirituall iurisdiction to call councells onely to the temporall and ciuill authoritie of particul●r princes and contryes wherein they rule and noe farther much lesse ouer all nations Christian as the Pope claymeth yett to

onely allowance by a woman vncapable either to haue or giue such power therefore because men in protestants religion may not bee papists nor lyers nor say that soe many of their worthies Bishopps and doctors assuring vs before that they doe not differ in any one essentiall or materiall point bee lyers and dissemblers in religion wee must needs agree with them that say the english ministers haue noe callinge or admittance but by Queene Elizabeth which by them is none at all Againe both vpon the same ground and the like extremitie in their doctrine they are inforced to renownce all ordination from the Pope and church of Rome by this their owne demonstration Noe man can giue that to an other which hee hath not But by them the Pope hath not true ordination Therfore cannot giue yt to others The maior is euidently true and their owne grounde and principle The minor proposition hath beene a common protestant doctrine and must bee iustified by their receaued opinion that the Pope is Antichrist a thinge in religion essentiall for Antichrist that is quite contrary vnto Christ cannot by any meanes bee iudged a true preist and bishop of Christ Thirdly D. Sutcliffe maketh this matter moste cleare in these his wordes Th● Turkes musty i● Sutcliff suru pa. 48. as good a Bishop as the P●pe therefore in his doctrine neither of them a Bishop or able to make either Bishop or preist Therefore in an other worke with publick allowance as also this hath hee writeth of vs in this maner in Sutcliff ag D. kell pa. 4 the Popes church our aduersaries neither haue man●r of ordination nor substance of function they haue not imposition of handes by bishops because they haue not lawfull Bishops Therfore their pretended Bishops if made by such noe Bishops bee not true bishops And soe there bee neither true Bishops nor true and lawfull preists or ministers in the english protestant congregation and soe noe true church nor spirituall communion to bee vsed with them by their owne iudgments And this their new deuise of clayminge a consecration de iure diuino and not their old admittance from Queene Elizabeth was the Protest offer of confer pag. 11. motiue that vrgeth their owne brethren in Religion first to write in thes wordes If prelacie bee de iure diuine by the lawe of God it receaueth breathe and life from the Religion of Rome Whose prelacie and preisthood is euen by our greatest aduersaries acknowledged to bee by diuine institution And this supposed graunted by thes parlamentary protestants thus they add They cannot see how possibly by the rules of diuinitie the separation of our churches from the church of Rome and from the Pope supreame heade thereof can bee iustified And againe in this maner They protest to all the world that the Pope and the church of Rome and in them God 〈◊〉 pa. 16. and Christ Iesus himselfe haue had greate vvronge and that the protestants churches are sc●smaticall in forsakinge the vnion and communion vvith them And this hee that would bee named Archbishop of Canterbury euen by his owne groundes before should rather haue resolued vppon then contrary to his owne iudgment vnderstanding and conscience if I may vse that worde in such proceedings maintayne and aggrauate soe straunge and vnchristian persecutions against sacred and lawfull preisthood in others which though onely imputatiue pretended and vsurped in himselfe hee would haue soe much honored or rather by their Religion Idololatrated and worshipped as an Idoll ens rationis chymaera and noe reall thinge And this is one of his vnholy purchases by directinge Frauncys Mason in soe durtie a dawbinge woorke as his booke of pretended ordination is An other noe lesse prophane is this to demonstrate himselfe and all of his opinion before for the vnitie and generall accorde and agreement of all both english and other protestants in all essentiall substantiall and materiall points of Religion to bee prophane dissemblers seducers and men of noe Religion For in this soe essentiall and substantiall a question of a true and lawfull preisthood or ministery fundamentall or foundation in true worship they are soe diametrically and contradicto●ily d●●ided and separated that some of them considently and as matter of faith beleeue and teach they haue noe callinge or ordination but from a woman vtterly disabled eyther to haue or giue yt the rest as certainely affirme that which they pretend to haue is from Antichrist which likewise can neither giue nor haue yt soe that by noe possibilitie they can bee reconciled to haue any title to a true ministery and Religion Their onely way of Reconcilement in some parte but to their little comfort is this if they will agree that Queene Elizabeth was Antichrist But Concerning their pretended ordination it is aboundantly and demonstratiuely confuted out of their owne lawes writings and diuinitie in a particular booke of that subiect and for that cause I had here passed it ouer with silence had I not beene aduertised that being diners monethes synce readie for the presse it is fallen into their pretended Bishops hands that intend to suppresse it And therefore in the Authors name I request them truely and worde for worde to publish yt with the best answeare they can make vnto yt And his promise is to make noe further reply vnto them in that busines soe confident hee is his booke to bee vnansweareable and their cause vndefensible But for feare they will behaue themselues in this as to my greuous experience they haue verie often done in the like before I must add som●hat in this place And first I tell M. Frauncys Mason b. of Consecrat Mason his directors telling vs that Matthew Parker was consecrated by foure true Bishops or three and a Suffragane That no notorious and contradictory lyers are to bee beleeued in their owne cause especially of such moment But all or moste of the protestant Relators of this by their owne Testimonie are lyers Therefore not to bee beleeued The maior proposition is euidently true And the minor thus p●o●ed for first whereas I finde three relators of this pretended Consecration and Butler epdef of their mis●●on Su●cliff ag D. ●ell pag. 5. Parkers Register Doctor Butler D. Sutcliffe and directed M Mason The first saith that Ihon Suffragan of Do●er was one of these Consecrators D. Sutcliffe his wordes are thus Bishop Parker was consecrated hy imposition of hands of Bishop Barlowe Bishop Couerdale Bishop S●ory and twoe Suffragans of whome mention is made in the act of consecration yett to bee seene M. Mason Mason in ●ons Math. Park telleth there was but one Suff●agane there and hee was of Bedford Soe that in these three protestant cheife writers and allowed r●lators of this pretended consecration there bee thr●e diuers and quite repugnant narrations of which if not all three yett at the leaste twoe of necessitie are notorious lyes and corruptions and all of them cite Matthew

they were noe Bishops being of necessitie either made by a woman which they confesse could not doe yt or by the pretended Bishops of kinge Edwards makinge vtterly alsoe as before condemned by lawe and the Iudges themselues And yett of thes twoe ab●urdities that which was the worst and moste absurde to bee made by a woman vncapable must needs bee their case For the new Booke of cōsecr statu An. 3. Ed 6. ca 12. Stat. 1. Mar. Booke of Article● of Religion 1562 articul 36. Stat. An. 8. Elizab. c. 1. forme and fashion of making pretended Bishops and preists in the time of the child kinge Edward the sixt abolished by Queene Mary was neuer reuiued by the english protestants vntill their booke of Articles made in the fourth or fift yeare of Queene Elizabeth made in their conuocation consisting as before is euident onely of lay men without authoritie receaued yt and was neuer allowed by parlament vntill this in the eight yeare of Queene Elizabeth Soe that by noe possibilitie thes after Acts if they had beene powerable in religeous causes the contrary whereof is euident could make soe many yeares before pretended and vnlawfull Acts and consecrations now to bee true and lawfull Therefore thes pretended protestant Bishops and Ministers can by noe power by their owne proceedings bee lawfull wanting both true forme matter maner men ordering and the Acts and Cōc Floren. in ●niō will apud ●arkes p. 137. 180. Park ib. ●il● sur● p. ●2 mort pa 2 Apol. p. 340 l. 4 c. 18 Relat. ca. 47 ●eild p. 202. 218. functions themselues as is before proued and ●ppeareth by the councell of ●lorence which D. Wille● M. Parkes and others allow for generall which D. Bil●on D. Mo●ton their Relator of Religi●n and D. Feild assure vs hath supreame power and authoritie to commaund all whomsoeuer to obey the definitions thereof Neither need I appeale to generall councells though their graunt in this Question for by their owne parl●ments Articles common writings and publicke doctrine yt is more then euident that their pretended Bishops by whome their ministers and other pretended Bishops bee made bee noe more Bishops then their ordina●y ministers none at all noe more then all lay men bee noe more nor soe much as kinge Edward 6. a child Q. Elizabeth a woman and our present and euer of mee moste honored kinge Iames were or is by their proceedings which is thus made euident by their owne Religion Euery distinct order hath some really and essentially distinct Act and office to execute which others from which it is distinguished haue not nor can performe But the pretended callinge of protestant Bishops in England by their owne proceedings hath noe such really and essentially distinct Act or office Therefore by their ow●e Religion it is noe distinct order The m●ior proposition is euidently true for euery dist●●ct Order power facultie or habilitie spirituall or other is soe knowne and distinguished The minor proposition is thus proued by themselues For whereas our Pontificall and scholes ascribe to episcopall Order Pōtifical in Ord. Sacer. ep●schol insacr ord in 3. p. d. Th. c. Articles of Relig. Artie sacram c thes Acts to cōsecrate Christne giue twoe sacraments Orders and confirmation thes protestants by their publick Articles and practice both deny all thes and yett ascribe noe other peculiar Act or office to their pretended Bishops make ministers and confirme children I answeare they deny both them to bee Sacraments and soe hauing noe misticall consecration but being onely ceremonies may bee vsed by men noe Bishops and soe in all protestants Presbyteries pretended ministers allowed by them are made by onely ministers and where the ceremonie of confirmation is allowed by protestants out of England it is al soe ministred by onely ministers and if thes doe not giue grace effectually as they say it is not necessarie to appoinct a distinct order for their ministration Soe there is now nothing left for thes pretended Bishops but pretended iurisdiction but this is from the kinge that is Queene Elizabeth and kinge Edward 6. before supreame in this busines and soe by their Religion more truely and better Bishops then Ridley Parker Whiteguift or any of that pretended calling And as the pretended Commissioners Stat. Ed. 6. Stat. An. 1. Eliz. cap. 1. Foxe tom 2 in Ed. 6. Eliz. Holin supr c. of kinge Edward and Q. Elizabeth related by their Statutes Foxe Hollinshed others withall power from them to reforme Religion were in thes mens doctrine more worthie the name of Bishops then they which haue that name but want that office power Soe his maiestie in their Religion by his supreamacie inspirituall things may by his letters patents and commission not onely with kinge Edward and Q Elizabeth authorize his Foxe in Ed v. in B. Card Stowe Hollinsh Speed c. An. 1 Eliza in histor lay Councellors and mere temporall men to Iudge depriue and depose Bishops but to bee allowed for Bishops Archbishops and higher patriarkes without any consecration or other ceremony They which gaue this power to Q. Elizabeth and our Soueraigne were onely lay men and neither any of them in particul●r or all in generall equall vnto him that is supreame Therefore it is his power by their doctrine at his pleasure without any ministers concurrence or consent to take order and neuer more neede then when their Religion is become a mockery of all true Religion in thes affaires and to make any the meanest subiect without any im●osing of handes speaking or prayer ouer him or other complement in such busines greater in callinge and dignitie then hee that beareth the name Archbishop primate of all England amonge them But the present soe named Archbishop of Obiect Canterbury director of M. Mason and his directed scholler perhaps will say that allthough D. Sutcliffe and too many others to bee cited and the said soe called Archbishop himselfe in and at other places and times for their adnantage and to serue their turne doe teach affirme as a matter of faith that the Pope is Antichrist noe true Bishop preist or maker of such yett in this their worke asscribed to M. Mason they confesse the contrary and therein they affirme that one of their pretended Consecrators Barlowe was a true Bishop and made by Romane or true catholick Consecration in the time of kinge Henry 8. And soe in time of necessitie such as their begynning was might make a Bishop Alas I cannot tell how to make Answ answeare to this obiection or rather petition not for any difficultie conteyned in yt But for feare of offence in speaking truth and giuinge the lye to soe many protestant Bishops and Doctors before soe confidently telling vs they doe not differ in any essentiall or materiall point of Religion such as this is But put into this perplexitie I must vse this Dilemma if their first opinion That the Pope is Antichrist and cannot

as before is manifest and soe of others The same is confirmed to bee alsoe agreable to the behauiour of their doctors in this time of whome the same protestant Ormer pict purit l. 1. author writeth in this order They will make as solemne protestations as any men can doe and by oathe deny that vvhich they doe you shall neuer finde vvith any high land or border theeues more lyes and vile periuries then vvith these though they protest and by oathe denie yett s●ortely after vvee shall see it come to passe The protestant author of the booke intituled offer of Offer of Cōfer pa. 9 Conference writeth of the parlamentarie protestants shewing therein the reasons of their notorious lying and dissemblinge in Religion in these words some standinge vppon these points of difference not for conscience but for carnall respects some because othervvise they knovve not hovv to bee mayntayned but by depending vppon that faction some to gratifie their benefactors and patrons and to please their frends some for discontentment vvant of preferment some for giddines of innouation some for pride of hart and selfe loue some for hatred of order and restraint of their libertie some for ignorance some to retayne the opinion of constancie And to shewe that by their owne iudgment this prophane hipocrisie dissimulation c is generall in their Religion Couell exā pag. 179. Parkes Apol praef D Couell writeth in this maner Atheisme and hipocrisie is in all states in this kingdome M. Parkes hath this Censure heresie and infidelitie ioyne and labour to subuert all grounds of Christian Religion Their late protestant Bishop D. Babington in the publicke Conference at Hampton Conference pag. 14. 15. Co●rt sheweth how in the begynning protestancie was approued in their parlament by ambiguous and indirect dealing of the composers of their communion booke and citeth the Archbishop of yorke to that purpose What dealinge was vsed therein may appeare alsoe by soe generall a dislike of protestants against it as is befor proued whervpon D Couell writeth thus The first english Ministers soe farr dissented Couell exā pag. 71. that some bookes and the greatest part of Christendome was filled with the ●rreuerent vnholy and vnnaturall Contentions of that time Their behauiour in other Contryes was not vnlike onely I will exemplifie in Scotland of which his maiestie in the Conference at Hampton Court relateth thus M. Knoxe Writes to the Queene Regent K speache in Cofe pa. 80. 81. 82. of whome without slattery I may say shee vvas a vertuous and moderate lady telling her that ●hee vvas supreame heade of the church But hovv longe trovve yee did this continue euen soe longe till by her authoritie the popish Bishops were repressed Hee himselfe and his adherents were brought in and well setled and by these meanes made stronge enough Then loe they began to make small account of her Supreamacie nor would longer rest vpon her authoritie but tooke the cau●e into their ovvne hands Hovv they vsed that pore lady my Mother is not vnknowne vvhoe did desire onely a priuate Chappell vvherein to serue God after her maner vvith some fevv selected parsons but her supreamacie vvas not sufficient to obtaine yt at their hands And concerning the same Question of princes supreamacie in England soe enacted by their parlaments to sett them in possession yett that now at this present neither parlamentarie nor puritane protestant in their writings allowe yt but clayme it to themselues I will proue by themselues hereafter And the reason of this their proceedings procedeth from the state of their desolate cause for in the beginninge of this their protestant Religion hauing noe other meanes to giue Colour to a new pretended Ministery then by the temporall princes supreamacie and power in spirituall things all true religeous preeminencie iurisdiction and authoritie being abandoned forth of this nation by their parlaments edicts against the Apostolicke see of Rome and Christs c●tholicke church they were content against the example of all their pretended reformed churches because they could not settle yt themselues for that present to allowe yt to the temporall Prince But now settled in possession they pretend a Consecration againe from Rome which they had thus renownced before say Confer sup Barl. Serm. sup Cert considerat An. 1605. pag. 46. they are diuinae ordinationis by the ordinance of God where vppon the protestant Author of certaine Considerations doth argue and consider thus if the english protestants opinion bee mayntayned that Bishops iurisdiction is de Iure diuini by the lawe of God his maiestie and all the nobilitie ought to bee subiect to excommunication pag. 54. sup And againe in these wordes protestant Bishops themselues doe not attribute any more spirituall authotitie vnto the kinge to make constitute and ordeyne Canons Constitutions Rites or Ceremonies then they giue vnto him spirituall po●er to preache the worde administer the sacram●ntt and excommunicate Which as is euident is none at all And yett at this present to omitt others those protestant Bishops of this kingdome which moste sway and not onely in spiri●uall things are knowne to bee both by their education and writings of that protestant sect and opinion which before hath told vs that their Bishops and soe consequently themselues are vnlawfull against Gods Worde hell houndes naturall sonnes of sathan false bastardly gouernors enemyes to God to the kinge and to his people euen in their very callinges and offices How these men haue behaued themselues in the Questions betweene Catholicks and them may appeare sufficiently in the first and second generall demonstration where not onely they generall groundes of diuinitie but all particular cheife controuersies of this time are demonstratiuely proued against them by their owne writings published printed or allowed with●n the first sixe yeares of his maiesties ●aigne how the puritane protestants haue delt with their Bishops partely appeareth before how their Bishops walke towards them and one to an other is euident in that either condemneth other to bee Scismaticks hereticks in●●dolls Offer of Cōfer pag. 9. damned c. The protestant offer of Confer●nce writeth thus It is notorious vnto all the ●orlde what indignities slaunders false accusations and calumniations the prelates and their ad●erents in their priuate speaches publicke sermons and writings lay vppon the ministers I will cite one example moste conceruinge them bothe Cōferēce at H●mpt Cou●t by D. ●arlo●e 3. other Copies printed by Wind. 〈◊〉 ●●fer pag. 28 29 their Conference at Hampton Court before the kinge and Lords Their protestant Bishop of Lincolne D. Barlowe relateth it wholly for their Bishops Three other Copyes printed by Ihon Winde● and diuers others relate yt for the puritanes Besides the testimonie of their Bishop D. Montague thus cited by the protetestant offer of Conference It ●● more then apparant that they haue fraudul●ntly cut of and concealed all the speaches which were many t●at his maiestie vttered against the