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A05374 Certein letters vvherin is set forth a discourse of the peace that was attempted and sought to haue bin put in effecte by the lords and states of Holland and Zelande in the yeare of oure Lorde 1574 Also a supplication put vp by the saide States of Hollande and Zeland, and other places of the Low Countryes to the king: together with the aunsvvere and a reply vppon the same, and diuers other particularities. 1576 (1576) STC 15527; ESTC S101103 45,236 122

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treasō for that they being then the vassals of the King of Fraunce yea and that more is lincked very nere vnto him in bādes of blood and hauing yelded vnto him their homage fealtye did take armes not only withowt his appointment but also against his owne person and estates in the feeld Surely no mā cā make me beleue but that the good Duke Phillip knew very well what was the dutye of a subiect whē as to reuenge the deathe of Duke Ihon his father who alitle before had slayne the Duke of Orleans brother to the King he caused the King of England to comme into Fraunce and made him Lorde of the Cittye of Paris and of the best parte of the whole kingdome If this lawe which nou set downe here were so generall as you woulde make it surely he had neuer atteined vnto the name of so good a Prince as he was accompted neither had he lefte behinde him to his posterity so good a reporte of immortall glory as wee know of Likewise his sonne Charles the hardy when he tooke armes against Lois the. 11. and defeated a parte of his armye at Monthelery knew not hee very well that subiectes mighte make no sturre withowt appointment or aucthoritie from their Lorde wil you say then that owr King doothe wrongfully enioy the countye of Burgondy the which was graunted by the same Lois and Charles vnder the title that the subiect did beare armes against his liege Lorde But howe often hathe it been sene and iudged to be right and reasonable that the subiectes in particuler and the Townes and Prouinces in generall haue taken Armes in such cases as this not only withowt the appointment of their Lorde but also euen against their soueraignes them selues and yet hathe nether your lawe nor Maxime been of sufficient waight against the reasons and argumentes that they alledged in defence of their equytie Wherefore of force your conclusion cannot holde when as you inferre by this your Maxime that they of Holland and Zeland haue committed an offence vnexcusable in hauing taken armes against their Prince For first you shoulde haue declared that the groundes and occasions that forste them therevnto were not reasonable or at the least not sufficient to maynteyne the equitye of their cause and then mighte you haue had somme better apparāce of reason But surely it seemeth that for becaus you wolde haue the equitye of their cause quyte suppressed from the eares of the worlde and from the knowledg of his Maiestie you haue cleane troden vnder foote and sent backe againe their request grownding your self only vpon the opinions of suche of the courte as you knewe before to bee aduersaries to their attemptes And I pray you what if theis of owr side shall say that they not only haue not taken armes against his Maiestie but also that they haue not stirred but by his consent and aucthoritie Dothe it not seeme vnto you reasonable that the othe which the King hath taken and the expresse article wherin he cōmaundeth that no man shall any longer yelde obedience vnto him self than he obserueth the points of the artiles that he is sworne vnto may iustifye their doinges especially seeing that bothe his Maiestie is absent that straungers vnder the title of his name haue not only broken theis articles but also soughte vtterli to disanull that sollemne cōtract the which he made at his entrye into Brabant which is the chiefest of all the Prouinces he possesseth in theis partes for as touching that which you saie That to beare armes against his Maiestie or his Ministers is all one I cannot comprehend where of that should be grounded considering that the King him self at his foresaid entry and acceptacion dothe promise sweare declare that presently ipso facto all officers Maiestrates ad Mynisters shal be taken but for sciphers of no validity who either haue ben heere before or shal be hereafter placed in preiudice of those articles which he is sworne vnto or that shal cōmit any thing against the same So that the King him self dothe by his othe disgrade all suche ministers and dothe put weapens into owr hādes to resist their iniquitye violēce And if that you graunte that all this is trew in respect of thē of Brabant but that Hollād and Zeland may be no partakers thereof thē muste you needes Iustifie the Prince of Orēg and all those that serue him being bothe inhabitantes naturally borne in Brabant in that they wolde not acknowledge suche ministers as haue violated and broken the othes and contractes of the king And since that they wear not bounde to acknowledge or allow thē but mighte take armes against thē it followeth that they might with good reaso occupie enioy all those landes Prouinces which did yelde any fauour or deuocyon at any tyme to suche mynisters being disanulled and disgraded And as touching the rest of Holland and Zeland their fault and offence can be none other but that they bee not borne in Brabant For I cannot thinck that you wil denie but that the said ministers against whome they beare armes haue brokē and violated in a maner all those articles which the King was sworne vnto at his firste entrye And if thies things were not thus what is he that seeth not plainly how that in this point the Kings hands be fast tyed together synce that your selues doe confesse that in all matters Ecclesiasticall and touching faithe he is bounde to be obedient vnto the Pope his legates and vicars Dooe not we know how that that Cōmission which was cōcluded vpon and ordeined amongest your ecclesiastical persons and Bishops to roote owt this owr religion which you call new was inuented and forged by Pope Pius the fourthe being sollicited therevnto by Docter Sōnius who for that cause remayned at Rome by the space of three or fower yeares afterwarde broughte amongest vs into theis quarters the pestilēt seed of theis troubles calamities that we feele at this day Do not we knowe that it was onely the Pope which gaue cōmaundemēt to the king that thordinaūces of the Councell of Trent should be published here againste the which all the Estates both Ecclesiasticall and Temporall did set themselues to withstand as a thing preiudiciall against the aunciente lawes customes and priuiledges which the king hath sworn vnto vs Briefly haue not all the Instruments and Authours of this Tragedy bin created onely by the Pope And who is ignorāt I pray you that the Pope in his decres doth openly vaunte that all kinges and Princes are bound to hold all their Crownes and Scepters of him and to obey him in euery point Haue we no learned of our auncestours how that the ●opes of Rome haue cōmaunded at their plea●ure the most noble Emperours and Prince ▪ of Christendome and sought to execute their wils by excommunicating and accursinge of them as often as they would resist their pleasures Frō whence proceeded those cruell and
bloudy warres betweene the three Henries Fredericke and Philip and an insinite nomber of other Emperours agaīst the Popes of Rome but for because that the same Emperours woulde not obey their Commaundementes sometimes when they willed them to make warre in all hast vppon the Sarrasins sometimes when they woulde haue them leaue of that title which they had receiued by succession of their auncestours sometimes when the Popes themselues would be put in possession of certaine townes and territories which they said they should inherite as the patrimony of S. Peter and finally vppon any cause that it pleased them to picke whereof all the Chronicles and Histories be filled And what was the cause why Pope Alexander marched in publique place vppon the necke of the Emperour Fredericke Barbarossa adding thereunto many wordes full of reproche and shame And what is the cause againe why euen at this day they make the Monarks and kinges to kisse their feete but onely in signe and token of subiection which they claime as due And presently if they be not obeyed they thunder againste them and pronounce absolution vnto all their subiectes although they reuolt frō that fidelitie which they owe of duty Wherfore seing that the kīg is so much subiect to the Pope of Rome whō in no wise we cā acknowledge to be our superiour since that he feareth so much his thūdrings excōmunications How can you either say or beleue that his Ma. doth cōmaūd absolutely amōgst vs what he listeth himself specially in such a matter wherin the Pope pretendeth to haue more interrest than any man aliue I beseech you if the king woulde here our requests finding thē grounded vppon good reasons were willing to graūt vs the exercise of our religiō do you thīck that it were lawfull for him so to do Your selfe haue tould me very plainly that if the king would cōdiscēd to any such matter you would take armes agaīst him cause to your power the whole coūtrie to rebell And this I am sure your self wil not denie to haue said whē I was with you at Mountford Wher thē remayneth the fre auctoritie of the king to cōmaund where is the greatnes of his Ma. yea rather what becommeth of his liberty of your Maxime that no subiecte may take armes in hād without the appointmēt of his king lord seing that one only vassal wil to his power cause al his Estats to rebell if that the aduice opinion of his Maiesty touching the cause of his Coūtry subiects shal not agre with his cōceite But I am contente to pardon you herein consideringe the zeale which you beare to the Romishe Religion vppon condition that you will imagine that oure zeale which we beare vnto our Apostolicall Religiō of the Gospel is not a whit lesse althoughe peraduenture it is nether so plausible in mans capacitie neyther so profitable to them that maintaine it Yet haue we examples very freshe of the Emperour Charles of noble memorie who escaped very hardly from beinge excommunicated by Pope Paulus 3. for that hee graunted vnto the Almaynes but onely the Interim which was almost conformable in all poincts vnto the decrees of the Pope And I pray you what ado was there when he willed that a generall Councell shoulde be called in Almaine where the Almaynes might be harde in free disputacion And finally was it not the Pope that constrained him to make warre vpon the Christiās and did oftentimes threaten him with thundringes if he wente not to worke with speede in such sort that the Emperour was constrayned to couer the pretence of his warre with the cloke of rebelliō to th ēd he might draw vnto him Mawrice and th' other Princes which were confederates of the Smalcaldiens I speake nothing here of the holy Inquisition of Spaine nor of the Prelates of the Counsayle which be of the Popes creation and haue made a solempne othe vnto him neuer to agree to anye matter that they shall thinck to be preiudicial to the aduaūcement of the Sea of Rome but that they shall reueale the same and resist it with all their power Who seeth not how that our king is so possessed with them as hee is not able by anye meanes in the world to iudge any thīg in this matter contrary to their opinions aduice vppon paine of being condempned for a rebel vnto the sea of Rome Howe then can that be true where you say that wee make warre vppon the king Take away once the respect of the Pope and his Prelates and bringe to passe that either the king himself be not subiecte vnto him or els that he be content that we may be free from his lawes and then shall you see how soone and how soundlye wee will yeld our selues vnto the perfect obedience of our king naturall Prince as to one annointed of God himself to do vs right Iustice And if you esteeme this to be vtterly vnreasonable and that you meane to make the minde of oure Prince to be at the commaundemente of other mennes willes do not maruaile I pray you if we pretend to be no rebels in seeking that he maye gouerne vs by his absolute Auctoritie withoute receyuing lawes from others I come now to that other poinct where you say That it is a very straung thing for subiectes to force their Prince to assemble Estats at their pleasure Surely this seemeth very wonderfull considering that you cannot be ignorant how that the king himself by his owne pure will hath tyed himselfe thereunto as to the firmest ground and surest staffe whereuppon his auctority power Regall doth chiefly yea I may say onely leane rest For seing the Estates in a fourme of politique gouernement are none other thing but the chiefe and principall heads of the people representing the body of the multitude What thing is there that can bee so naturally vnited vnto a good king who desireth to be both father and Pastour of his people as are the Estates of his Country Euē as for exāple there is nothing that hath such affinity with the head of a mās bodye as those members which are called vital for that they be the chiefest Instrumēts by the which the vitall spirits proceding from the braynes to diuers sinewes are communicated in generall to the whole body and to euery member and by the which likewyse euery member retayneth his perfecte vnity and naturall knitting to the body Euen so a good king being the head of his people doth by the meanes of his Estates communicate and imparte vnto the whole body of his cōmon wealth not onely his fauoure grace priuiledges whereby he keepeth them in vnitie but also his bounty Iustice and wisedome from the which as out of a quicke fountaine do springe good lawes Ordinaunces whereby the people are still gouerned in good discipline as it were in the liuely being and naturall motion of the same This is the cause why our auncestours excelling in