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A90688	Heautontimoroumenos, or, The self-revenger exemplified in Mr. William Barlee. By way of rejoynder to the first part of his reply, viz. the unparallel'd variety of discourse in the two first chapters of his pretended vindication. (The second part of the rejoynder to the second part of his reply being purposely designed to follow after by it self, for reasons shortly to be alledged.) Wherein are briefly exhibited, amongst many other things, the rigidly-Presbyterian both principles and practice. A vindication of Grotius from Mr. Baxter. of Mr. Baxter from Mr. Barlee. of Episcopal divines from both together. To which is added an appendage touching the judgement of the right Honourable and right Reverend Father in God, Iames Lord primate of Armagh, and metropolitan of Ireland, irrefragably attested by the certificates of Dr. Walton, Mr. Thorndike, and Mr. Gunning, sent in a letter to Doctor Bernard. By Thomas Pierce Rector of Brington.	Pierce, Thomas, 1622-1691.; Gunning, Peter, 1614-1684.; Thorndike, Herbert, 1598-1672.; Walton, Brian, 1600-1661.	1658 (1658)	Wing P2181; Thomason E950_1; ESTC R207591	167,618	192

with such a black Coal and startled at the mention of such a Bugg as if he thought it a Scarlet sin and being afterwards put in mind who they were that grew lusty upon that very Dish which he thought Poyson and blessed God that his finger was never in it he tells the world even in Print that some of his friends his dearest Friends and Patrons too have even lived upon sequestrations but he did not think of them when he wrote what he did Who saith he did or who can think it Had he remember'd at that instant what now he tells us he would not certainly have us'd them as accidentally he did He would rather have lessen'd and excused that Fact then have loaded it as he did with so many heavy aggravations What he saith he never heard of his three speciall Friends and the distinction which he makes betwixt having a finger in the pye of sequestring and living upon sequestrations c. doth but amount to such a salvo as stands in most need of being cover'd and kept close for the more Aire gets in the more the u'cer will be indanger'd as I could shew more wayes then one Mr. B. should have known I mean he ought to have consider'd that this is one of those things which the more he stirrs will smell the more unbeseemingly But let it lye quietly for me as before it did untill Mr. B. shall rake it up as now he hath done So much for Monster of ingratitude which Himself was much rather to be charged with for calling Him monstrous Leviathan Hobbs who hath assisted his party at least to the utmost of his Ability in asserting their Doctrins of Gods Decrees And though Mr. B. doth but write like one of the lowest of his Disciples yet he tells us he will as soon own the Devil for his Master as Mr. Hobbs § 2. In his c. 2. p. 65. lin 28 29 c. He saith it had been well for King James and all his posterity if he had continued to follow the counsell of Robert Rollock who did advise him as he would not fal into inextricable streights first or last to continue a fast friend unto the Godly So he calls the Presbyterians of the Kirk vvith whom if King James had complyed as he did not they had not done as they did but had preserved him from falling into inextricable streights And then saith Mr. B. it had been better for his Posterity So dangerous and fatall a thing it is for any Magistrate whatsoever in any Kingdom or Commonwealth not to comply with the Presbytery when they have power to do mischief He hath spoken very much to the credit of his party and given notice to all in power that the way to be secure from the attempts of that Sect is either to set them up or to keep them under But which of the two is most eligible I hope the world will make no more Trialls Well we have heard Mr. B. of King Iames and the Godly Now it comes to my turne to produce King Iames concerning both In the conference at Hampton-Court upon occasion of Dr. Reynolds obtruding twice the Kings supremacy his Majesty took him up in these following words Dr. Reynolds I will tell you a Tale. After that the Religion restored by King Edw the sixth was soon overthrown c. we in Scotland felt the effect of it Whereupon Mr. Knox writes to the Queen Regent that she was supreme head of the Church and charged her as she would answer it before Gods Tribunall to take care of Christ his Evangill and of suppressing the Popish Prelates who withstood the same But how long trow you did this continue Even so long till by her Authority the Popish Bishops were repressed Himself and his Adherents were brought in and well settled and by these means made strong enough to undertake the matters of Reformation themselves Then loe they began to make small account of her supremacy nor would longer rest on her Authority but took the cause into their own hand and according to that more light wherewith they were illuminated made a further Reformation of Religion How they used that poor Lady my Mother is not unknown and with grief I may remember it Who because she had not been otherwise instructed did desire only a private Chappel wherein to serve God after her manner with some few selected persons but her supremacy was not sufficient to obtain it at their hands And how they dealt with me in my minority you all know It was not done secretly and though I vvould I cannot conceal it I vvill apply it thus And then putting his Hand to his Hat his Majesty said My Lords the Bishops I may thank you that these men do thus plead for my supremacy They think they cannot make their party good against you but by appealing unto it as if you or some that adhere unto you vvere not vvell-affected tovvards it but if once you vvere out and they in place I knovv vvhat vvould become of my supremacy No Bishop no King as before I said Neither do I speak at random vvithout ground for I have observed since my coming into England that some preachers before me can be content to pray for James King of England Scotland France and Ireland Defender of the Faith but as for supreme Governor in all causes and over all persons as vvell Ecclesiasticall as Civill they passe that over vvith silence and vvhat Cut they have been of I have aftervvards learn'd Thus far King James With vvhose vvords if vve compare vvhat hath been vvritten by Salmasius vvho vvas in every part of his life except the last the greatest enemy to Bishops and the greatest Patron to the Presbytery and yet hath fasten'd the blackest Character upon the English Presbyterians that hath ever been given to any Sect I suppose some Readers vvill take the vvords of Mr. Barlee and use them thus It had been vvell for King James and all his posterity if he had follovved the counsell not of Robert Rollock but of one vvho vvas infinitely vviser I mean his orthodox and learned self who advised his son Henry whilst yet in Scotland not to suffer such Ministers to be in his Kingdom if he liked to sit at rest § 3. But Mr. B●addes further ibid. lin ult that Mr. Cartwright and Mr. Travers and others were imprison'd for ceremonial inconformity towards the later end of Q. Elizabeth her Reign And he tells us a little before that King Iames interceded for their releasement He would have it thought I suppose that Q. Elizabeth was cruell to those good men when they were guilty of nothing but Peccadillos But was Mr. Hacket hanged for non-conformity to things indifferent Or was it nothing but ceremonial which Copinger Lancaster and Artington and others designed against the lives of the whole privy Councell and against the person of the Queen Or were not Cartwright and Travers and

Wentworth and Charke and Egerton and others of the Presbyterian Ministry made privy to the plot to which they were accessary by their concealement Perhaps Mr. B. is not acquainted with those affairs And therefore to requite him for his care to have me very well inform'd about the Faction which played Rex in King Iames his Court p. 69. lin 32 33. c. for which he adviseth me to a book writ in elegant verse by Thomas Hepey if I am able to procure it for love or money I will direct him for information to a most admirable volume printed in the year 1593. and intitled thus Dangerous Positions and proceedings published and practised within this Iland of Britain under pretense of Reformation and for the Presbyterial discipline If King James did intercede for those mens release perhaps being then but King of Scotland he did not know the whole cause of their imprisonment here in England or he was not out of his wardship to those fiery spirits as he call'd them and so might intercede in complaisance to his Guardians however unfit for that office to a King of his Age or he was not yet perfect in his mystery of King-Craft or let the cause of his intercession be what it will he did many things of which he afterwards repented that they were done § 4. What Mr. B. is pleas'd to add p. 66. lin 19 20. of K. James his writing into Scotland that he would labour to reduce the Church-government of England to that of Scotland rather then conform that to England's is for many reasons very incredible First because Mr. Barlee tells it and citeth no other Author then the unwritten words of a Scotish Minister At every dead lift he tells us something that he was told be it of me or any man else Secondly K. James was so far from such a preference that his a version to Presbyterianisme was as great as to Pigg or to Tobacco Witnesse his words at Hampton-Court where speaking of Dr. Reynolds and other chieftaines of the party If this quoth he be all that they have to say I will make them conform themselves or I will harry them out of this Land or else do worse Witnesse his letter from White-Hall A. D. 1617. to the Presbyterians of the Kirk wherein he upbraided to them their ignorance and profanenesse and resembling them to the Heathenish Constable of Castile told them they would indure both Lions Dragons and Devils to be figur'd in their Churches but would not allow the like place to the Patriarchs and Apostles Witnesse his chiding speech in the Diet held at St. Andres when he pressed upon them to keep a yearly commemoration of our Saviours greatest blessings bestow'd upon mankind as his Nativity Passion Resurrection Ascension and Descent of the Holy Ghost the private use of both Sacraments in urgent cases the Reverent administration of his holy Supper the catechizing and confirming of children by Bishops much too long to be here inserted Witnesse his very angry letter directed to the Arch-bishops of St. Andrews and Glascow representing the wrongs he had received from that sort of men and saying He was of that age that he would not be content to be fed with Broath as one of their Coat was wont to speak Witnesse his other angry letter directed singly to the Arch-bishop of St. Andrews wherein he complained of their ridiculous and scornfull dealings with their Soveraign their greater irreverence towards God himself saying The Ministers ease and commodious sitting on his Taile they are the Kings own words hath been more look't to then that kneeling which for reverence he had required to be enjoyned to the receivers of so divine a Sacrament Neither can we conceive as he there goes on what should be meant by that Table which they required even in their private administrations to people upon their Death-beds unlesse they meant to make a round Table as did the Jewes to sit and receive it In conclusion seeing we and this Church here must be held Idolatrous in this point of kneeling or they reputed rebellious knaves in refusing the same they are the Kings own words it is our pleasure c. Witnesse his third severe letter sent with this unto the Councell for inhibiting the payment of stipends to any of the rebellious Ministers they are the King own words in Burg or Landwart Witnesse his first letter of indignation to the generall Assembly indited at Perth wherein he charged all the rebellious dispositions of the people who of their own dispositions were most Loyall upon them and their Doctrins minding them of his patience under their manifold provocations their slandering the truth of God they are the Kings own words by walking disorderly under the cloak of seeming holynesse shaking hands as it were in this their disobedience to Magistracy with the upholders of Popery still the Kings own words Witnesse his fourth sharp letter directed to the Bishops at the last Parliament which was held by that King in Scotland telling them they had to deal with two sorts of enemyes Papists and Puritans that they should go forward in action against the one and the other That Papistry was a disease of the mind and Puritanisme of the Brain they are the Kings own words and that the Antidote of both must be a grave settled and well-order'd Church in the obedience of God and their King Whereof he will'd them to be carefull and to use all means for the reducing those that either of simplicity or willfulnesse did erre Witnesse his speeches at Hampton-Court when he trounced Mr. Knewstubs for taking exception to the Crosse in Baptisme when he said of him and his Brethren I have lived among this sort of men ever since I was ten years old but I may say of my self as Christ did of himself that though I lived among them I was never of them since I was able to judge neither did any thing make me more to condemn and detest their courses then that they did so peremptorily disallow of all things which at all had been used in Popery Witnesse his words upon the third day of that Conference when he pleaded for subscription to the three famous Articles which the Church-men of England were to approve by subscribing namely the Kings supremacy the Articles of Religion and the Book of Common Prayer The necessity of which he did presse so home and evinced by three such excellent Reasons as he thought it fit to conclude in these words That if any after things were well ordered would not be quiet and shew his obedience the Church were better without him he were worthy to be hanged Praestat ut pereat unus quam unitas Yet how favourably he used them notwithstanding his Threats and how much mercy the Bishops shew'd them in spight of all their guilts and provocations many thousands can witnesse and have found too soon

thankful for his Abundance So farr am I from believing that Gods Grace is dispensed to all alike that I fear those professors have less then others who have proudly adventured on its Inclosure I say therefore again that I am not concern'd in those words of Dr. Bernard concerning the same measure of Grace common to Iudas with S. Peter and by so much the less because he candidly professeth p. 65. that he would not be understood to interpose himself in the controversie or to affix thus much upon Mr. Pierces judgement of which if his Readers will but take a due notice as well as mine I shall be freed from the danger of being injur'd by their mistakes Seventhly Dr. Bernard concludeth his second Letter to Mr. Barlee with a great Civility to my self and with a very course Complement to my Delator professing to have appeared in this affair neither in patronage of Mr. Barlee nor out of any opposition to Mr. Pierce p. 71. Which as it was more then I expected from a perfect stranger whose Favour too had been courted by the renowned Raiser of false Reports so from a person of that Temper which since I find him to be of I could in reason expect no less And how many advantages soever other men may have over me in other kinds yet in offices of Humanity and mutual Forbearance I am very unwilling to come behind them but will say of Dr. Bernard a reverend person as Abraham to Lot in another case why should strife be between us when it appears that we are Brethren These are sincerely the very Reasons why I take no other course to clear my self and my Informers and the Honour also of the L. Primate then by publishing what I have spoken in several letters to Dr. Bernard which lying by me already written and comprehending the main though not the All I have to say of that particular have fitly saved me the labour of writing all over again in another Forme I should otherwise have chosen to extract the substance of my letters and out of that to have made a close Narrative of all my Meaning if both my time and my patience would have sufficed for such a work I have forborn to publish Dr. Bernards letters with mine own not that I thought I might not lawfully do it as Mr. Barlee had done before but because I was not sure that he would take it in good part and because I knew it was not needful there being nothing of Concernment in any one of his letters but what may easily be gathered from one of mine For the Reverend Dr. Bernard at his lodging in Grayes Inn. SIR THere are three things especially by which I am urged to give you the trouble of this address First a Report which came to me from several hands that you have said something to me by way of letter which although it came not to my hands I am to thank you for as heartily as if it had But a second Report hath made me guess at the Contents For I have heard that you were angry with Mr. Barlee and with me for doing wrong to the memorie of the late most learned and Reverend Primate of Armagh And again I am to thank you for being angry in such a Case wherein my Anger concurrs with yours and that against mine own self on supposition that I have injured that excellent Person whom I laboured only to vindicate from Him who did But as I heartily intended the Primates Honour in what I publickly spake of him so I cannot yet think that my intentions were misguided or have missed of the mark at which they aim'd For Mr. Barlee had printed such things of the Primate as did imply him a patron of those sad Doctrines which he asserted And because I was inform'd by several persons for learning and Piety beyond exception That though his Grace in former times was universally thought to be the prop of those Doctrines which Mr. Barlee asserted and I oppos'd yet in the latter part of his life he declared his aversion to those opinions and his perfect Concurrence with Bishop Overal I thought it my duty to make this known that so Mr. Barlee might be defeated His Grace righted the common people disabused and many learned men profited by that example And supposing as I did that my Lord Primate his Grace had once in times past been extremely different in his judgement from Bishop Overal as having embraced the way of the Anti-Remonstrants how could I possibly do less then conclude from thence his change of judgment But I have thirdly been inform'd that the cause of the displeasure conceived against me is not my saying that the Primate was at last of the opinions which I am of in these points but my implying his having been otherwise by my affirming his change of judgment And again for this cause I am to give you great thanks it being most suitable to my wishes that his Grace may be proved to have been alwaies of the judgement which I am of and that by consequence he never chang'd it and that I by consequence was much mistaken on the right hand as Mr. Barlee and his Abetters were more mistaken on the left In the mean time it is evident that what I spake of him in my books was safely spoken in all respects For what I said that I was told I was told indeed and that by excellent persons whom I shall name when time serves how truly or falsely viderint illi And this must be granted me by all the world That my Lord Primates opinions in the declining part of his life were either changed or not changed from what they formerly had been If they were it is happy for me that I did not err in what I publisht and if they were not it is much more happy I was mistaken and misinform'd for as 't is much for my purpose that so eminent a Prelate was perfectly orthodox at the last so it is more for my purpose that so eminent a prelate was alwayes orthodox On which side soever the Truth doth lye it will reflect very severely upon the pretentions of Mr Barlee For if my L. Primate forsook those Doctrines which he and his party are wont to plead for it is some discredit to their Cause that so great a person thought fit to leave it but if he was never of those opinions which they report him to have been of I know not how they can excuse so bold a Fiction And now Sir that you see how truly zealous I am and ever have been in vindicating the Honour of that Great person from such Aspersions as the Adversary hath cast upon him I shall make no doubt of having a fair opinion from you concerning the Ground on which I go and the end at which I drive And to give you a right understanding of me as well as to assure you that I had answered your Letter had I received it

is Truth is not inconstancy but improvement as I interpret When I left those Doctrines into which my Teachers at first betrayed me I cannot say I revolted but I was rather set free To be fickle is one thing but to grow and increase is quite another Whatsoever I could intend as an honour to my cause I could not choose but intend to their honour also by whom I could think my cause was honoured When I say that King Iames Bishop Andrews Philip Melanchthon Tilenus Dr. Potter Dr. Godwin and many others whom I could name of eminent learning and integrity did turn away from those Tenents which are called Calvinistical in exchange for those other which unconsidering persons do call Arminian I make accompt I commend them for bowing to the sceptre of soveraign truth And this doth justifie my Intentions in all I said of our Reverend Primate But the question still remains concerning matter of Fact whether his Grace did change his judgement from what it formerly had been I began in the affirmative but you say No And both perhaps with good reason because we are diversely informed unless we can shew by some Inquiry where lyes the Error I grounded my affirmative upon the Difference which I found betwixt the judgement of the Primate when he writ the History of Gotteschalc and that account of his judgement which I had from those Persons who are of vast Importance in my esteem To transcribe their Certificates which they have severally given me under Hand and seal of what they severally heard from his Grace his mouth is too large a task in the present hast that I am in nor am I sure that you desire it And therefore deferring for a time the special part of my Advantage I will offer to your Equity and Christian candor what I have just now observed from several passages in your Book First you thank Mr. Barlee for the large expressions of his affection to the late Archbishop of Armagh and the readiness to clear him from some injury done him by Mr. Thomas Pierce whereas it seems very evident by that account which you give of the Primates judgement about the true intent and extent of Christs Death that Mr. Barlee is less qualified for the Bishops vindication in that affair then any man in the world in all respects I beseech you bear with me whilst I give you my reasons 1. Mr. Barlee in his last book declares himself a Supralapsarian Yet 2. in Correptory Correction he had again and again usurpt the name of the Primate for the patronizing of his opinions He doth in one place oppose him to Bishop Overal as a more moderate Bishop affirming Bishop Overal to have played upon Calvin and to have traduced the Puritans whom the Reverend Primate he saith did clear He citeth the History of Gotteschalc against that notion of Christs death and satisfaction which you have now printed from the Primates own Hand He directs me to him as to a choice orthodox writer in the Barlean conceipt of the word Orthodox besides what he doth in other places which I have not leisure to search after 3. But now you tell him in your Letter that the Primates judgement was in a middle way different as well from Mr. Barlees as from mine Whether from mine we shall see anon But if at all I am sure much less then from my neighbours In the mean time it is demonstrable that if Mr. Barlee was in the right when he vouched the Primate for his opinions I was also in the right when I said that the Primate had changed his judgement And for this your book shall be my warrant as well as the Primates own words That he concurred with Bishop Overal Next I pray Sir consider whether any one Paragraph in all my books touching the true intent and extent of Christs Death is any way dissonant from what now you publish and that say you very truly without all Question from the Primates Letter of Resolution to the request of a Friend First I have nothing in behalf of the two extremes p. 2 3. in any part of my writings Next I have jumped with the Primate in what I publisht before I had the possibility of seeing that which you have sent me not onely much to my comfort but truly almost to my Admiration For his Grace writes thus That the satisfaction of Christ was once done for all the application is still in doing The satisfaction of Christ onely makes the sins of mankind fit for pardon All the sins of mankind are become venial in respect of the price paid by Christ to his Father but all do not obtain actual Remission because most offendors do not take out or plead their pardon as they ought to do By this way being made that is by assuming our nature God holds out unto us the Golden sceptre of his word and thereby not only signifieth his pleasure of admitting us unto his presence c. but also sends an embassage unto us and entreats us that we would be reconciled unto him 2 Cor. 5. 20. By the vertue of this blessed oblation God is made placable unto our nature but not actually appeased with any untill he hath put on the Lord Iesus All men may be said to have interest in the merits of Christ as in a Common though all do not enjoy the benefit of it because they have no Will to take it The well-spring of life is set open to all Rev. 22. 17. Faith is the vessel whereby we draw all vertue from Christ The means of getting this Faith is the hearing the word c. Ephes 1. 13. which ministreth this general ground for every one to build his faith upon This Gospel of salvation many do not hear at all being destitute of the ministry c. Many hearing do not believe or lightly regard it and many that believe the truth thereof are so wedded to their sins c. that they refuse to accept the gracious offer that is made unto them Yet we may truly say that good things were provided for them on Christs part and a rich price was put into the hand of a fool however he had no heart to use it Prov. 17. 16. Our Saviour hath procured a Iubile for the Sons of Adam his Gospel is a Trumpet to proclaim liberty c. Luk. 4. 18. but that some desire no deliverance derogates nothing from the generality of freedom annext to that year Luk. 4. 18. The slavish disposition of him who will not be free Exod. 2. 5. maketh the extent of the priviledge of that year not a whit the straiter because he was included in the general Grant as well as others however he was not disposed to take the benefit of it The neglect of the men invited v. 5. doth not falsifie the word of the King v. 4. See Rom. 3. 4. Ezek. 18. 29. 30. The proclamation was general