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A69195	Certaine demandes with their grounds, drawne out of holy writ, and propounded in foro conscientiæ by some religious gentl. vnto the reverend fathers, Richard archbishop of Canterbury, Richard bishop of London, William bishop of Lincolne, Garvase bishop of Worcester, William bishop of Exeter, & Thomas bishop of Peterbourough wherevnto the said gentl. require that it would please their lordships to make a true, plaine, direct, honest and resolute aunswere.	Bancroft, Richard, 1544-1610.	1605 (1605)	STC 6572.5; ESTC S112734	57,418	70

as that not only they content not thē selves by eating flesh themselves to grieve to offend a weak brother to give him an occasion to sinne but also cōmand a weake brother to eate that meate by eating wherof he can not but fal but stumble but grieve but offend but sinne and but destroy him selfe This kind of charitie may deserve vnhappely the name of some Synodal or Provincial charitie but certes it can neverworthely deserve to be called an Apostolicall charitie But Sirs you mistake the matter very much you deceive your selves draw not the cases rightly The vse of Crosses Copes Surplices Cappes kneelings are cōmanded by the christiā Magistrates soveraigne authority only as things indifferēt for orders sake not that men should be grieved and offended or that they should fall stumble sinne destroy them selves Touching the christian Magistrates authoritie about ordering rites ceremonies in the church we have somewhat at large argued before which we had thought might have fully satisfied your Lordships but because it pleaseth you still to presse vs with the same we must once againe plainly signifie vnto you that we beleeve that your selves do not attribute any more spirituall authoritie vnto the King to make constitute and ordeine canons constitutions rites or ceremonies then you give vnto him spirituall power to preach the word administer the Sacraments and excommunicate For we beleeve that your selves with the residue of the clergie assembled by the Kings writt in your convocation doe chalendge all spirituall power vnto your selves to make ordeine and decree all maner of canons constitutions ordinances ornaments rites and ceremonies in the Church Yea and this spirituall power we beleeve that you pretend to be derived vnto your selves and the rest of the clergie in the convocation not from any spirituall power invested in the person of our soveraigne Lord the King but onely from the spirituall power of our Saviour Christ alone And this is manifest by your Cxxxix canon for so are your words Whosoever shall hereafter affirme that the Sacred Synode of this nation in the name of Christ and by the Kings authoritie assembled is not the church of England by representation let him be excommunicated c. These wordes wee say of your canon viz. Sacred Synod is assembled in the name of Christ and by authoritie of the King plainely testifie that you hold your Synode not to be assembled by authoritie of the King in the name of the King or in the name of Christ and the King but only in the name of Christ And therefore by your owne wordes wee are inforced to beleeve that you attribute vnto the King none other authoritie then such as you attribute to the godly Kinges of Judah namely an authoritie to assemble and command your persons as they assembled and commanded the persons of the Priestes What to execute the rites and ceremonies of the Kinges of Iudah No but to execute the rites and ceremonies of God And so we beleeve your persons being assembled by authoritie and commandement of the King that your selves by your owne authoritie and that in the name and by the power of Christ and not in the name and power of the King doe ordeine decree and make canons constitutions rites and ceremonies as if they were sent vnto vs by your handes from God And thus much doe the very first words of your first canon and some words in your 140. 141. canons clearly prove For howsoever in the title of your book you vse these words Constitutions and Canons treated and agreed vpon by the Bishop of London c. Yet both in the proheme body of your first canō you affirme as followeth In your proheme or title you say thus the Kings supremacy over the church of Englād in causes ecclesiastical you say not over the church causes but over the church in causes and in the body of the same canō you say we first decree ordeine that the Archb. of Canterbury c. and in the Cxl. canon your words are these Whosoever shall affime that no maner of person c. are to be subiect to the decrees therof speaking of the Synod eccllesiasticall made ratified by the kings Maiesties supreame authority c. let him be c. your words also in your last canō are these whosoever shal hereafter affirm c. that the sacred Sinod assembled c. was a company of persons c. in making canons cōstitutions in causes ecclesiasticall c. ought to be despised c. the same being ratified confirmed and inioyned by the regall power supremacie and authoritie lett them be excommunicated Now by all these your owne words and sentences we decree ordeine decrees of the Synod making canons by the sacred Synod ratified confirmed inioyned by the regall power c. by all these words we say we can not but beleeve that you chalendge your ecclesiasticall power of ordeining decreeing making decrees canons constitutions rites and ceremonies to be invested in your owne persons assembled by authoritie of the King from the authoritie and power of Christ and not from any spirituall or ecclesiasticall power invested in the person of the King and derived and conveighed vnto your persons assembled by his regall writt For then how should we not beleeve also but that you iudged the Kings writt to be no civil but an ecclesiasticall and spirituall writt But howsoever as yet wee beleeve not this latter yet still we beleeve that you appropriate vnto your owne persons assembled by the Kings writt a sole power and that from our Saviour Christ to give vnto your decrees canons constitutions rites and ceremonies their first being and their first birthright and that you assigne vnto the King none other power but a power of their after birth of ratifying and confirming of that life being which your persons have first put into them So that the King is in this but as it were an executioner of your canons and not you the executioners of the Kings decrees Yea thus much M. Doctor Bilson in his Book intituled True difference betweene Christian subiection vnchristian rebellion Pag. 243. avoweth testifieth whose words are these We never said that Princes had any spirituall power it is a false collection of yours it is no part of our cōfession the sword which they bear we never called but external tēporall Againe to devise new rites and ceremonies for the Church is not the Princes vocation but to receive and allow such as the Scriptures and canons commend and such as the Bishops Pastours of the place shall advise not infringing the Scriptures or canons so for all other ecclesiasticall things causes Princes be neither the devisors nor directors of them but the confirmers and establishers of that which is good and displacers and revengers of that which is evill which power we say they have in all things be they spirituall

by this booke of common prayer of the second of Edw. 6. kneeling crossing holding vp of handes knocking vpon the breaste and other gestures are to bee vsed at least as every mans devotion serveth without blame We pray your Lordships to suffer vs without blame and danger of your late canons peaceably and quietly to enioy and possesse our libertie That so we may receyve the communion sitting standing or kneeling as everie mans devotion serveth And thus much for our full and perfect answere vnto your questions of disseysing the church of her evangelicall decencie and order and of reverence and conformitie in kneeling in the act of receyving the cōmunion wherevpon we most instantly pray your Lordships that you would be well pleased vpon your second thoughtes to heale your former errours And withall to be content not only to suppresse the vse of your Copes Surplices making of Crosses signing with Crosses tokening with Crosses kneeling c. But also to restore our possession and to give vs livery and seysin of all those decencies conformities and reverend maner of prayer preaching the word receiving and administring the Sacramentes without Copes Surplices Crosses and kneelings whereof the Churches were seysed in the Apostles tymes And which being moderated by the wisdome and authoritie of our Saviour Christ we are most assured can not be but well-pleasing vnto God But Sirs by your patience our Christian Magistrate imposeth them as matters of order according to that forme wherein he found the church at his coming and this his pleasure must commaund may satisfie vs if it should please the King not to commaund them wee for our partes could be well content not to vrge them See see what a dalliance is this in a matter of so high a qualitie and touching the dignitie preheminence of so excellent a person what was your melody yesterday and that in the presence of the King and assemblie of his Nobles was your melody but yesterday we say viz. No ceremonie no Bishop no Bishop no King and can your Lordships to day sitting Iudicially in your Consistory to censure the Ministers for not conformitie thus sudenly change your note and cry openly No commaundement of ceremonies by the King no imposition of ceremonies by the Bishop For is it not as if you should have layde the whole blame vpon the King and have spoken thus No ceremonious King no ceremonious Bishop And yet for all this do not all men know that your Lordships were too too ceremonious and too too great masters of ceremonies before ever the King saw your faces And how then cometh it to passe ceremonies having hitherto ben vpheld by your Lordlines that your Lordlines should not now stande but by ceremonies or how cometh it to passe your Lordlines heretofore being propped vp by the crowne and scepter of our late Queene that your Lordlines should now vphold the scepter crowne of our Christian King This your Lordships gradation therefore made vpon the first day from the not being of a Ceremonie to the not being of a Bishop to the not being of a King And this your protestation made vpon the next day of the being of a Kinge to the being of a ceremonie what ells doeth the one and the other argue and importe but a feare and a suspition if the King should once commande downe your lawes of Ceremonies that the Lawes of your Lordlinesse likewise would of them selves sone after fall to the ground And therefore whether the King did conceive that you might but glose and flatter with your gradation or whether poore simple and playne meaning men might be seduced by your protestation we know not neither is it our purpose to enquire Only we can not but much marveile that each of you professing him selfe to be a Gad and to be a Nathan to be a Seer and to be a Prophet vnto our christian Magistrate should thus protest thus chardge the King to be the only spirit by whom your selves doe speake and the only prophet from whom your selves doe learne Nay what a thinge is this your Lordships prophesying vnto the King in the name of the Lord That your rites and ceremonies are no way contrariant or repugnant but every way agreeable and consonant to the holy word of God and meete to be reteyned aswell for the manner and forme of Gods worship as for edification of the church should notwithstanding openly avow the Kings pleasure and the Kings command to be the fountayne and welspring of your prophesies Nay which is more your selves making for your selves Ceremonious hornes of Iron assuring the king that with the same he should be able to overthrowe and push downe al such as by your Lordships be falsely called puritanes What a thing is this that you should notwithstanding proclayme the kings minde to be as it were the only mould wherein your ceremonies were cast Nay which is more What a thing is this your Lordships assuring to your selves to bee the chiefest of the Lordes Priestes and Levites should notwithstanding put the holy Censores into his Maiesties hand and laye the holy Arcke of the Covenaunt vpon the kinges shoulders to burne incense and to beare it and to carrye it him selfe alone Nay which is more What a thing is this your Lordships by a definitive sentence publickly given read and divulged in your sacred so called Synod having not only iudicially decreed the lawfulnes of ornaments rites and ceremonies but also humbly and professedly desired the same to be cōfirmed by the Kings royal authoritie vnder the broad Seale of England that you should notwithstanding for the execution of your said Decree call to witnes the Kings commaund and the Kings pleasure As though the Kings pleasure and commaund were the only cause and not the effect of your decree and not rather your decree the only cause and not the effect of his Highnes commaund Your second canon by which the same power is iustly as we cōfesse given to our Sovereigne Lord the King in causes ecclesiasticall that the godly Kings had among the Iewes will not serve to excuse you in the making of your canons if any of them be blame worthie for the godly Kings of Iudah never had any authoritie to command what ceremonies should be ordeyned among the lewes Neither did King David neither any other of the godly kings of Iudah doe any thing in building of the Temple in distribution of offices among the Levites or in any manner services performed to the Lord but the same was sent vnto them in writing from the hand of the Lord or by the mouth of the Prophetes or by casting of Lott What soever authoritie then the godly Kings of Iudah had to command ceremonies once made to be observed the same authoritie and none other in matter of ceremonies doeth your canon yeald vnto the King And therfore we beseech your Lordships hereafter to carry such a loyall and conscionable reverence and

ecclesiasticall or temporall ibid. pag. 252. Yea and moreover we beleeve if any should impugne or gaine-say this your power of making spirituall and ecclesiasticall decrees in your convocatiō not to belong properly to your ministeriall power which you have by your divine offices in the church that you would then fly for the interpretation of the statute 1. Elizab. to our late Queenes iniunctions wherby it is declared that nothing was is or shal be meant or intēded by the oath required to have any other duety allegeance or band then was acknowledged to be due to the most noble Kinges of famous memorie K. H. the eight hir Maiesties Father or to K. Ed. 6. hir Maiesties brother And that the Kings and Queenes of this Realme may not challendge authoririe and power of any ministery of divine offices in the Churches But vnder God to have soveraintie rule of all maner of persons borne within hir Realmes so as no other foreigne power shal or ought to have any superioritie over them vpon this iniunction we say we build our former credence that your Lordships iudge your only persons and the persons of the rest of the Clergie not the ministerie of your divine offices or any parte thereof to be vnder the obedience of the Kings power vnto which ministerie also of divine offices you attribute right of ordeyning and making canons rites and ceremonies in the Church as a right properly incident and appertaining to that ministery not of doctrine but of divine governement which you challendge to be due vnto you as vnto Ministers and Officers appointed to rule and governe the Church vnder Christ by the holy Scriptures And therefore we pray your Lordships henceforwards to put vs vnto no more paine to answere this your argument of Kingly and supreame authoritie For we beleeve assuredly if Archbishops Bishops Deanes Archdeacons and the rest of the clergie assembled by the Kings writt by their deliberate counsaile voluntary and vnconstrayned will had not in their Synod decreed the vse of Copes Surplices Crosses square Cappes Tippets and such trash or if they had not by the president of their assembly most instantly supplicated the King to command the vse of these things thus ordeined by them selves we perswade our selves assuredly that the King by his absolute regall and supreame power would never have constrayned Archbishops Bishops Deanes Archdeacons c. to have vndergone the yoke of these ceremonies for the King right well knoweth that in so doing he should not have walked in the wayes of the Godly kings of Iudah then whose holy example to followe his Highnes hath protested to desire nothing more Neither for any other purpose as it seemeth vnto vs by your late speaches in the eares of the King no ceremony no Bishop doe your selves presse these ceremonies then that they should be in your owne hands as crosier staves to stay vp from falling the tottering walles of your Lordly Iurisdictions And yet because we never read in holy Writt that any ceremony was ever planted by our heavenly Father to bee a leanetoo for any Bishops of Gods planting or that the vnplanting of an humane ceremony would be the vnplanting of any of Gods Bishops what should we gather from hence but that your Lordships bee no Bishops of Gods planting for Bishops planted by the hande of God in the Vineyard of Christ be so fast sett and so deeply rooted that by no blast or storme of humane ceremonies they can be blowne vp And thus much touching your argument of the Kings cōmandement for orders sake As for the indifferencie of the things commanded the same hath already bene handled in an other place but touching the last part of your exception that the vse of these things is not commanded to the end that men should be grieved offended fall stumble sinne destroy them selves we reiect this as an impertinent insufficient answere to our demand for our demand tendeth not to insinuate that we think that these things be commanded to the end that every man by the vse of them should sinne but our demand concerneth the vncharitable commandement of the vse of these things imposed vpon a weake brother which weake brother by the vse of these things notwithstanding the commandement can not but full but stumble but give an offence but sinne What because of the commandement No but by reason of his weaknes which the commandement hath not power to ridd and take from him And therefore vnles your Lordships by some learning taught you in holy Writt can informe your selves our Christian Magistrate that your Synode in the Apostles absence is placed in the Apostolike chaire and being so placed hath also received by the Apostles doctrine an Apostolike authoritie to commande those thinges in his absence which he expresly forbade in his presence wee doubt greatly whether your convocationall assembly can charitably by Gods Law command the weake in faith to eate meate sacrificed vnto Idols and so by consequence to weare a Surplice a Cope a square Cap a shaven Crowne a Fryers Coule or a Monckes Hood yea or no Nay sithence the Apostle hath directly and in plaine termes forbidden the strong in faith the eating of meate sacrificed vnto Idolls because of him that shewed it and for the conscience not of thine but of that other which sayeth this is sacrificed vnto Idols and if withall hee have taught that it is evill for a man to eate with offence we demand by what rule of holy Writt your Lordships can assure the conscience of our Christian Magistrate and the soules of your assembly in convocation that his Highnes and they shall doe charitably vprightly and not sinne in the sight of the Lord in case by a commandement ye impose a necessitie of eating meates or vsing things of like indifferencie vpon the weake which the weake by the Apostles doctrine have free libertie nay rather which by the Apostles doctrine they be taught so longe as they be weake not to vse Besides if eating drinking appareling crossing or kneeling doubtingly without faith or with offence be sinnes against the soule defilements of the soule we then pray your Ll. to deale plainly with vs divinely to teach vs whether it be an Apostolike charitie to cōmand the doing of a thing which can not be done either by the weak in faith but doubtingly or by the strong in faith without offence giving an occasion to fall or putting a stumbling block before his brother But Sirs by your patience the Christian Magistrate doeth not inioyne neither doeth the Clergie in their convocation decree that the Ministers or people should weare a Surplice make a Crosse or kneele doubtingly and without faith only his commandement is that they kneele that they make a crosse and that they weare a Surplice Yea by your Lordships favour we demand whether such their doubting such their being without faith can either be purged by any glister or be dispensed