Selected quad for the lemma: cause_n

Word A Word B Word C Word D Occurrence Frequency Band MI MI Band Prominent
cause_n bishop_n council_n see_v 1,446 5 4.1419 3 false
View all documents for the selected quad

Text snippets containing the quad

ID Title Author Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication) STC Words Pages
A68474 Appello Cæsarem A iust appeale from two vniust informers· / By Richard Mountagu. Montagu, Richard, 1577-1641. 1625 (1625) STC 18031; ESTC S112844 144,688 352

There are 4 snippets containing the selected quad. | View original text

think_v and_o speak_v and_o write_v otherwise_o or_o you_o either_o yet_o both_o of_o we_o may_v be_v deceive_v but_o somewhat_o there_o be_v which_o these_o man_n intend_v and_o will_v have_v say_v if_o so_o be_v they_o can_v have_v hit_v upon_o it_o it_o be_v a_o conclusion_n of_o the_o roman_a school_n the_o church_n can_v err_v which_o proposition_n i_o may_v both_o affirm_v and_o deny_v as_o it_o be_v propose_v the_o church_n can_v err_v the_o church_n can_n err_v for_o first_o it_o i●_n ambiguous_a subiectiuè_n what_o the_o church_n be_v which_o can_v err_v the_o word_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o must_v be_v distinguish_v and_o second_o we_o may_v consider_v it_o obiectiuè_fw-la in_o what_o thing_n the_o church_n can_v err_v and_o quousque_fw-la that_o not_o err_v do_v reach_v forth_o extensiuè_a to_o this_o purpose_n i_o difference_v church_n two_o way_n into_o topical_a or_o particular_a church_n into_o catholic_n or_o universal_a i_o divide_v also_o the_o object_n of_o err_a or_o not_o err_v two_o way_n into_o fundamental_n or_o superstructive_n for_o particular_a local_a church_n such_o as_o corinth_n ephesus_n smyrna_n thyatyra_n laodicea_n etc._n etc._n it_o be_v in_o confesso_fw-la on_o both_o side_n that_o they_o may_v err_v for_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o they_o have_v err_v both_o in_o inferior_a and_o in_o high_a point_n of_o faith_n and_o so_o have_v err_v oftentimes_o that_o through_o their_o err_v in_o fundamental_n in_o that_o sort_n they_o have_v cease_v to_o be_v church_n any_o more_o the_o catholic_n or_o universal_a church_n i_o consider_v two_o way_n conceive_v it_o to_o be_v diffusive_a or_o representative_a and_o that_o diffusion_n to_o run_v out_o two_o way_n into_o universality_n of_o all_z both_o time_n and_o place_n or_o into_o universality_n of_o time_n alone_o the_o first_o be_v so_o ample_a that_o it_o fetch_v in_o the_o apostle_n and_o all_o and_o so_o include_v within_o the_o verge_n that_o part_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n which_o be_v now_o regnant_a in_o heaven_n and_o free_a from_o all_o error_n as_o partake_v of_o that_o bliss_n which_o lead_v infallible_o hold_v inseparable_o in_o all_o truth_n in_o this_o sense_n and_o acceptation_n the_o proposition_n be_v not_o quarrel_v the_o church_n so_o have_v not_o can_v err_v the_o second_o divide_a part_n stint_v from_o so_o large_a a_o extent_n be_v yet_o enlarge_v respective_o to_o all_o member_n to_o every_o member_n in_o particular_a of_o the_o catholic_n church_n live_v any_o where_o at_o any_o one_o time_n so_o that_o the_o whole_a aggregation_n of_o all_o christian_a professor_n make_v and_o compose_v this_o church_n and_o as_o yet_o i_o think_v the_o informer_n do_v not_o quarrel_v we_o for_o popery_n their_o whole_a stitch_n be_v against_o the_o church_n representative_a in_o a_o general_n council_n in_o which_o though_o i_o shall_v resolve_v simple_o and_o punctual_o thus_o a_o general_n council_n can_v err_v yet_o can_v i_o not_o be_v count_v a_o papist_n for_o the_o tenent_n of_o the_o papist_n if_o you_o my_o informer_n know_v it_o not_o in_o their_o school_n be_v this_o a_o general_n council_n can_v no_o way_n err_v in_o the_o decision_n final_a thereof_o which_o be_v allow_v by_o the_o pope_n by_o which_o they_o necessary_o infer_v as_o also_o they_o stick_v not_o to_o express_v that_o unless_o the_o pope_n give_v ratification_n any_o general_n council_n whatsoever_o may_v err_v in_o any_o point_n of_o faith_n of_o what_o nature_n soever_o and_o therefore_o such_o be_v their_o doctrine_n since_o the_o jesuit_n have_v domineer_v in_o their_o school_n all_o the_o validity_n and_o assurance_n of_o not_o err_v which_o a_o general_n council_n have_v or_o can_v have_v either_o in_o fide_fw-la or_o moribus_fw-la be_v only_o from_o that_o impossibility_n of_o err_v which_o the_o pope_n have_v as_o haeres_fw-la ex_fw-la ass_n unto_o s._n peter_n to_o who_o our_o saviour_n behight_v that_o impossiblity_n alone_o so_o that_o pretend_v the_o jesuit_n as_o long_a as_o they_o will_v that_o fair_a and_o specious_a show_n and_o title_n of_o the_o church_n never_o so_o much_o have_v they_o nothing_o in_o their_o mouth_n but_o the_o church_n the_o church_n the_o pope_n be_v that_o church_n and_o their_o conclusion_n here_o be_v not_o for_o the_o church_n but_o for_o he_o now_o do_v mr._n mountagu_n come_v up_o unto_o nay_o look_v he_o towards_o this_o catholic_n roman_a fancy_n and_o infallible_a madness_n nothing_o less_o he_o direct_o pitch_v upon_o the_o church_n representative_a in_o a_o general_a council_n without_o the_o pope_n i_o mean_v without_o the_o pope_n as_o head_n or_o exceed_v the_o bound_n and_o limit_n of_o a_o patriarchicall_a bishop_n i_o go_v not_o unto_o all_o thing_n discuss_v or_o determinable_a in_o a_o council_n but_o rest_n upon_o that_o which_o be_v fundamental_a nor_o do_v i_o resolve_v it_o as_o certum_fw-la &_o de_fw-la fide_fw-la or_o tender_v it_o unto_o other_o to_o be_v believe_v i_o say_v no_o more_o but_o i_o see_v no_o cause_n why_o i_o may_v not_o so_o resolve_v and_o that_o also_o but_o upon_o supposition_n if_o the_o council_n be_v true_o general_n indeed_o and_o of_o such_o none_o yet_o ever_o err_v that_o ever_o i_o yet_o read_v or_o observe_v in_o point_n fundamental_a and_o therefore_o i_o see_v and_o see_v no_o cause_n but_o a_o man_n may_v say_v such_o a_o council_n shall_v never_o err_v in_o fundamental_o but_o concern_v fundamental_o if_o your_o stitch_n be_v against_o they_o i_o answer_v with_o b._n morton_z in_o his_o appeal_v the_o belief_n of_o some_o article_n be_v so_o absolute_o necessary_a for_o the_o constitution_n of_o a_o 443._o true_a church_n as_o a_o reasonable_a soul_n be_v for_o the_o essential_a be_v of_o a_o man_n in_o such_o as_o these_o be_v show_v i_o a_o error_n dr._n reynolds_n himself_o though_o maintain_v the_o contrary_a be_v not_o able_a in_o his_o vi_o conclusion_n out_o of_o all_o his_o read_n and_o yet_o therein_o be_v his_o excellency_n to_o afford_v we_o so_o much_o as_o a_o piece_n of_o a_o example_n in_o antiquity_n for_o a_o general_n council_n err_v in_o fundamental_o and_o i_o be_o persuade_v no_o man_n live_a can_v instance_n it_o of_o such_o only_a do_v i_o speak_v and_o in_o such_o only_o do_v i_o conceive_v infallibility_n and_o so_o as_o i_o conceive_v it_o the_o promise_n of_o our_o saviour_n may_v and_o do_v hold_v he_o shall_v lead_v you_o into_o all_z truth_n as_o also_o that_o other_o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n where_o two_o or_o three_o be_v gather_v together_o in_o my_o name_n i_o be_o there_o in_o the_o midst_n of_o they_o the_o church_n of_o england_n may_v seem_v to_o have_v be_v of_o a_o contrary_a mind_n in_o her_o determination_n and_o to_o have_v teach_v and_o prescribe_v to_o be_v so_o teach_v that_o such_o general_n counsel_n true_a and_o lawful_a not_o only_o may_v err_v for_o possibility_n but_o also_o have_v err_v in_o reality_n for_o artic._n xxi_o we_o read_v thus_o general_n counsel_n may_v not_o be_v gather_v together_o without_o the_o commandment_n and_o will_n of_o prince_n and_o when_o they_o be_v gather_v together_o for_o as_o much_o as_o they_o be_v a_o assembly_n of_o man_n whereof_o all_o be_v not_o govern_v with_o the_o spirit_n and_o word_n of_o god_n they_o mayerre_n and_o sometime_o have_v err_v even_o in_o thing_n appertain_v unto_o god._n which_o decision_n of_o the_o article_n be_v not_o home_n to_o this_o purpose_n first_o the_o article_n avouch_v that_o general_n counsel_n have_v err_v which_o can_v be_v understand_v of_o my_o limitation_n fundamental_o because_o there_o be_v no_o such_o extat_fw-la of_o any_o general_n council_n true_a and_o lawful_a second_o thing_n appertain_v unto_o god_n be_v not_o all_o fundamental_o but_o point_n of_o piety_n god_n service_n and_o religion_n which_o admit_v a_o very_a large_a interpretation_n for_o many_o thing_n appertain_v unto_o god_n that_o be_v not_o of_o necessity_n unto_o salvation_n both_o in_o practice_n and_o speculation_n in_o these_o haply_o general_n counsel_n have_v err_v in_o those_o other_o none_o can_v err_v the_o council_n of_o nice_a determine_v the_o controversy_n of_o easter_n it_o be_v not_o fundamental_a i_o put_v the_o case_n that_o in_o it_o they_o err_v it_o be_v a_o thing_n appertain_v unto_o god_n in_o his_o service_n this_o may_v come_v under_o the_o sense_n and_o censure_n of_o the_o article_n but_o this_o touch_v not_o my_o opinion_n concern_v only_a fundamental_o three_o the_o article_n speak_v at_o large_a concern_v general_n counsel_n both_o for_o debate_v and_o decide_v i_o only_o speak_v of_o the_o determination_n wherein_o it_o may_v be_v possible_a they_o nor_o can_v nor_o shall_v err_v that_o may_v and_o have_v err_v in_o the_o discuss_n in_o that_o very_a council_n of_o
you_o may_v strong_o send_v that_o which_o be_v but_o weak_a now_o who_o can_v help_v this_o touch_v this_o point_n i_o beeleeve_v because_o jusee_fw-fr the_o experience_n such_o as_o yourselves_o can_v not_o relish_v nor_o savour_v any_o thing_n but_o only_a god_n secret_n for_o you_o and_o man_n of_o your_o company_n be_v never_o at_o quiet_a with_o god_n arcana_fw-la imperij_fw-la can_v never_o let_v his_o eternal_a predestination_n alone_o the_o most_o ordinary_a theme_n of_o your_o as_o i_o be_o give_v to_o understand_v and_o their_o popular_a preach_n be_v touch_v that_o comfortable_a doctrine_n of_o election_n and_o reprobation_n m._n mountagu_n rub_v somewhat_o upon_o this_o sore_a thus_o that_o man_n in_o curiosity_n have_v presume_v far_o upon_o and_o wade_v deep_a into_o the_o hide_a secret_n of_o the_o almighty_a and_o you_o among_o other_o be_v gall_v as_o guilty_a have_v winch_v at_o it_o and_o hence_o it_o be_v that_o he_o seem_v so_o strong_o to_o savour_n of_o arminianism_n who_o will_v not_o have_v you_o meddle_v beyond_o your_o model_n but_o keep_v and_o contain_v yourselves_o within_o the_o bound_n of_o christian_a sobriety_n and_o moderation_n and_o savour_v of_o s._n paul_n counsel_n sapere_fw-la ad_fw-la sobrietatem_fw-la he_o savore_v of_o arminianism_n but_o how_o arminius_n savour_v we_o shall_v smell_v it_o if_o we_o can_v and_o find_v it_o at_o leisure_n for_o have_v but_o name_v he_o you_o fall_v hot_a upon_o lutheranism_n and_o of_o m._n mountagu_n consent_n with_o they_o as_o if_o arminianism_n &_o lutheranism_n be_v two_o word_n of_o one_o signification_n or_o in_o this_o point_n lutheran_n and_o arminian_n be_v divide_v or_o as_o if_o in_o your_o heat_n you_o ramble_v up_o and_o down_o and_o can_v not_o well_o resolve_v what_o to_o fasten_v on_o will_v you_o have_v the_o imputation_n run_v thus_o the_o xxi_o chap._n savore_v strong_o of_o arminianism_n and_o he_o declare_v himself_o therein_o to_o consent_n with_o the_o lutheran_n two_o several_a act_n upon_o different_a object_n or_o shall_v it_o be_v that_o he_o savore_v so_o of_o arminianism_n because_o he_o declare_v himself_o to_o consent_v with_o the_o lutheran_n if_o lutheranism_n and_o arminianism_n be_v distinct_a here_o be_v a_o error_n commit_v by_o these_o informer_n against_o error_n that_o i_o be_o not_o present_v upon_o point_n of_o lutheranism_n in_o the_o title_n as_o well_o as_o upon_o point_n of_o arminianism_n if_o not_o different_a but_o the_o same_o lutheran_n be_v in_o be_v and_o in_o name_n when_o arminius_n be_v not_o hatch_v nor_o in_o the_o shell_n and_o if_o it_o be_v a_o error_n of_o arminius_n which_o be_v the_o positive_a doctrine_n of_o lutheran_n and_o luther_n before_o arminius_n be_v bear_v why_o be_v arminius_n entitle_v unto_o that_o which_o be_v none_o of_o he_o but_o m._n luther_n why_o be_v m._n mountagu_n accuse_v of_o arminianism_n say_v to_o savour_n of_o arminianism_n rather_o than_o of_o lutheranism_n both_o in_o this_o be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o thing_n there_o lie_v here_o a_o pad_n in_o the_o straw_n i_o can_v guess_v at_o the_o cause_n a_o trick_n of_o your_o brotherly_a charity_n because_o luther_n opinion_n be_v not_o dangerous_a but_o arminius_n error_n be_v dangerous_a for_o we_o be_v tell_v in_o their_o insinuation_n that_o this_o arminianism_n have_v infest_a and_o have_v bring_v into_o great_a peril_n the_o state_n of_o the_o unite_a province_n if_o the_o king_n majesty_n by_o his_o gracious_a care_n and_o providence_n have_v not_o help_v to_o quench_v the_o fire_n scilicet_fw-la as_o of_o old_a the_o pagan_a idolater_n accuse_v christianity_n of_o all_o those_o calamity_n which_o befall_v mankind_n postquam_fw-la esse_fw-la in_o mundo_fw-la christiana_n gens_fw-la cepit_fw-la as_o arnobius_n speak_v bless_a be_v the_o peacemaker_n among_o man_n the_o generation_n of_o that_o faithful_a one_o shall_v be_v ever_o bless_v and_o bless_v be_v that_o man_n of_o peace_n in_o israel_n for_o ever_o the_o reward_n of_o the_o righteous_a rest_n upon_o his_o royal_a person_n and_o posterity_n and_o the_o faithful_a promise_n of_o that_o grand-peacemaker_n betwixt_o heaven_n and_o earth_n be_v sevenfold_a return_v into_o his_o bosom_n who_o princely_a care_n and_o providence_n be_v not_o confine_v within_o the_o surroundry_a of_o the_o four_o sea_n but_o enlarge_v ultra_fw-la unto_o his_o neighbour_n those_o unite_a province_n primary_o and_o before_o all_o but_o for_o this_o particular_a sir_n informer_n can_v you_o speak_v upon_o knowledge_n for_o i_o must_v confess_v my_o ignorance_n and_o small_a intelligence_n in_o matter_n of_o this_o kind_n both_o for_o action_n and_o speculation_n that_o there_o be_v no_o other_o snake_n lurk_v in_o covert_n nothing_o else_o but_o the_o simple_a difference_n about_o these_o school-point_n of_o predestination_n freewill_n final_a perseverance_n which_o have_v so_o almost_o endanger_v the_o state_n of_o those_o unite_a province_n do_v no_o crafty_a interloper_n be_v you_o sure_a of_o that_o put_v in_o his_o stock_n among_o those_o brawl_a banker_n do_v no_o wise_a man_n or_o man_n work_n upon_o perhaps_o exasperate_v mind_n or_o exasperate_v mind_n to_o work_v upon_o as_o it_o have_v happen_v elsewhere_o in_o point_n of_o controvert_v divinity_n call_v into_o question_n or_o maintain_v on_o foot_n that_o religion_n may_v serve_v for_o a_o stalk_a horse_n to_o catch_v fool_n and_o be_v pretend_v to_o serve_v turn_n sure_o those_o very_a point_n be_v scholastical_a speculation_n mere_o and_o as_o far_o from_o state-business_n as_o theory_n be_v from_o practice_n be_v not_o of_o themselves_o aptae_fw-la natae_fw-la to_o breed_v danger_n those_o so_o dangerous_a opinion_n in_o the_o netherlands_o have_v be_v as_o free_o quarrel_v and_o as_o fierce_o pursue_v in_o the_o vpperland_n of_o as_o long_a time_n without_o all_o danger_n but_o of_o tongue-tryall_n and_o why_o shall_v they_o be_v so_o dangerous_a here_o those_o classical_a project_n consistoriall_a practice_n conventuall_a design_n and_o prophetical_a speculation_n of_o the_o zealous_a brethren_n in_o this_o land_n do_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d aim_v at_o anarchy_n popular_a confusion_n dangerous_a indeed_o to_o prince_n and_o people_n state_n civil_a and_o ecclesiastical_a may_v well_o come_v under_o this_o information_n as_o be_v active_a in_o front_n and_o not_o only_o upon_o the_o rear_n why_o inform_v you_o not_o against_o the_o fomenter_n of_o they_o will_v you_o not_o take_v it_o ill_a if_o yourselves_o be_v traduce_v as_o dangerous_a indeed_o who_o do_v more_o than_o upon_o the_o buy_v incline_v unto_o they_o but_o i_o be_o loath_a to_o touch_v here_o or_o to_o meddle_v beyond_o my_o slipper_n the_o state_n be_v not_o the_o subject_a of_o my_o profession_n i_o pray_v for_o the_o prosperity_n of_o prince_n and_o polity_n but_o let_v their_o course_n alone_o to_o who_o they_o concern_v i_o excuse_v not_o arminius_n or_o arminian_n in_o any_o misdemeanour_n only_o let_v not_o innocency_n in_o different_a opinion_n be_v calumnious_o traduce_v without_o cause_n m._n mountagu_n in_o his_o own_o particular_a be_v know_v he_o give_v god_n the_o praise_n therefore_o to_o better_a than_o yourselves_o or_o any_o of_o your_o sect_n be_v they_o who_o they_o will_v be_v to_o foment_n neither_o faction_n in_o state_n whereof_o he_o be_v incapable_a nor_o schism_n in_o church_n whereto_o he_o be_v not_o inclinable_a have_v all_o his_o study_n address_v and_o prayer_n direct_v to_o one_o end_n to_o make_v up_o if_o it_o be_v possible_a the_o rent_n in_o the_o garment_n of_o christ_n jesus_n the_o breach_n and_o ruin_n in_o the_o church_n for_o which_o cause_n it_o be_v apparent_a they_o can_v endure_v he_o quibus_fw-la quietamoveri_fw-la magna_fw-la merces_fw-la and_o live_v well_o fare_v full_a and_o fat_a by_o fish_v in_o trouble_a water_n there_o be_v one_o god_n one_o faith_n one_o hope_n one_o baptism_n not_o divide_v but_o compose_v christ_n in_o his_o member_n and_o profession_n comparison_n be_v odious_a yet_o sometime_o necessary_a gall_n and_o vinegar_n be_v corrosive_a but_o must_v sometime_o be_v use_v there_o be_v never_o a_o saint-seeming_a and_o bible-bearing_a hypocritical_a puritan_n in_o the_o pack_n a_o better_a patriot_n every_o way_n than_o the_o man_n that_o have_v deliver_v such_o dangerous_a error_n your_o goodly_a gloze_n and_o time-serving_a colluding_n with_o the_o state_n be_v but_o like_a watermen_n upon_o the_o thames_n look_v one_o way_n row_v another_o way_n your_o holy_a cause_n you_o see_v will_v not_o succeed_v by_o opposition_n therefore_o you_o come_v up_o and_o seem_v to_o close_v with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o her_o discipline_n to_o use_v the_o cross_n and_o wear_v the_o clothes_n but_o for_o her_o doctrine_n you_o wave_v it_o preach_v against_o it_o teach_v contrary_a to_o that_o which_o you_o have_v subscribe_v that_o so_o through_o foreign_a doctrine_n be_v infuse_v secret_o
assertion_n as_o to_o profess_v that_o turk_n and_o turkism_n be_v to_o be_v prefer_v before_o and_o rather_o embrace_v than_o papist_n and_o popery_n with_o who_o the_o puritan-papist_n the_o jesuit_n be_v quit_v for_o they_o teach_v the_o like_o concern_v turk_n and_o heretic_n as_o they_o call_v we_o but_o the_o truth_n be_v haec_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la illa_fw-la helena_n these_o opinion_n be_v not_o the_o thing_n which_o offend_v they_o so_o much_o or_o move_v they_o to_o impute_v these_o calumny_n unto_o m._n mountagu_n there_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o that_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o whereas_o the_o puritan_n be_v wont_a to_o be_v shroud_v under_o the_o covert_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o to_o vent_v publish_v and_o tender_v their_o many_o idle_a dream_n fancy_n and_o fury_n unto_o the_o world_n under_o pretext_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o our_o church_n and_o our_o opposite_n of_o the_o romish_a side_n do_v according_o charge_v our_o church_n with_o they_o m._n mountagu_n out_o of_o just_a indignation_n against_o that_o open_a wrong_n and_o injury_n do_v unto_o his_o mother_n and_o as_o he_o do_v assure_o hope_n to_o the_o good_a service_n of_o his_o majesty_n and_o the_o church_n have_v disband_v they_o from_o their_o shelter_n take_v they_o off_o from_o collude_v under_o the_o church_n protection_n and_o send_v they_o to_o their_o own_o home_n to_o shroud_v there_o if_o they_o can_v and_o to_o answer_v for_o themselves_o to_o make_v good_a their_o own_o cause_n by_o and_o of_o themselves_o and_o likewise_o have_v assert_v the_o church_n unto_o her_o own_o true_a tenant_n natural_a and_o proper_a unto_o that_o doctrine_n which_o be_v public_o determine_v and_o authorize_v in_o her_o authentic_a record_n to_o the_o high_a displeasure_n no_o doubt_n and_o distaste_v of_o such_o a_o porent_a overween_a faction_n as_o they_o be_v hinc_fw-la mihi_fw-la sola_fw-la mali_fw-la labes_fw-la this_o be_v the_o ground_n of_o all_o the_o popery_n and_o arminianism_n with_o which_o i_o be_o asperse_v the_o particular_n whereof_o in_o the_o one_o i_o have_v wipe_v away_o aheady_o the_o other_o will_v as_o easy_o off_o too_o i_o take_v they_o in_o order_n as_o they_o be_v propose_v in_o the_o copy_n that_o come_v unto_o my_o hand_n in_o which_o they_o be_v digest_v without_o any_o good_a method_n or_o due_a order_n as_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o angry_a and_o idle_a brain_n point_n of_o popery_n in_o particular_a chap._n ii_o the_o church_n representative_a and_o point_n fundamental_a what_o they_o be_v all_o that_o papist_n say_v be_v not_o popery_n particular_a church_n have_v and_o may_v err_v the_o catholic_n universal_a church_n have_v not_o can_v err_v of_o general_n counsel_n the_o author_n far_o from_o the_o jesuit_n fancy_n the_o xxi_o article_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n explain_v informer_n he_o say_v that_o the_o church_n representative_a true_a and_o lawful_a never_o yet_o err_v in_o fundamental_o and_o therefore_o that_o he_o see_v no_o cause_n but_o to_o avouch_v the_o church_n representative_a can_v err_v pag._n xlv_o mountagu_n in_o this_o accusation_n be_v two_o proposition_n distinct_a though_o connex_v and_o dependent_a first_o the_o church_n representative_a true_a and_o lawful_a do_v never_o err_v in_o fundamental_o second_o the_o church_n representative_a so_o true_a and_o lawful_a can_v err_v in_o fundamental_o now_o whether_o proposition_n of_o these_o two_o be_v popery_n or_o be_v both_o these_o proposition_n joint_o or_o several_o take_v popery_n to_o explicate_v the_o term_n and_o draw_v up_o to_o anatomize_v your_o confusedness_n the_o church_n representative_a be_v a_o general_n council_n not_o titular_o so_o as_o the_o conventicle_n of_o trent_n but_o plenary_o true_a general_a and_o lawful_a point_n fundamental_a be_v such_o as_o be_v immediate_a unto_o faith_n for_o instance_n the_o article_n of_o our_o creed_n which_o only_o be_v those_o tenant_n and_o point_n of_o faith_n that_o have_v indeed_o and_o so_o must_v have_v universality_n antiquity_n consent_n knowledge_n no_o man_n can_v be_v save_v that_o believe_v they_o not_o no_o man_n can_v be_v save_v that_o know_v they_o not_o which_o must_v be_v understand_v de_fw-fr viâ_fw-la ordinariâ_fw-la except_o that_o god_n himself_o have_v dispose_v otherwise_o who_o may_v dispense_v with_o his_o own_o ordinance_n as_o he_o will_v as_o in_o case_n of_o infant_n natural_n frantic_a person_n which_o through_o invincible_a disability_n be_v extra_fw-la censure_n ordinariorum_fw-la otherwise_o the_o knowledge_n and_o believe_v of_o they_o be_v absolute_o necessary_a and_o require_v necessitate_v medij_fw-la unto_o salvation_n to_o say_v they_o be_v fundamental_o to_o propose_v they_o for_o fundamental_o that_o be_v thus_o require_v and_o must_v be_v know_v and_o acknowledge_v upon_o so_o great_a and_o dangerous_a a_o exigence_n be_v no_o popery_n as_o i_o conceive_v no_o not_o in_o your_o opinion_n the_o papist_n rather_o be_v ad_fw-la oppositum_fw-la for_o they_o enlarge_v their_o tenor_n make_v their_o dignity_n and_o degree_n too_o common_a abuse_v that_o honour_n peculiar_o due_a to_o they_o by_o promiscuous_o communicate_v it_o unto_o other_o point_n of_o inferior_a rank_n and_o reckon_n especial_o those_o xii_o new_a article_n of_o the_o tridentine_a creed_n thus_o upon_o explication_n of_o the_o term_n we_o come_v unto_o the_o assertion_n it_o be_v belike_o popery_n to_o say_v that_o in_o they_o in_o these_o fundamental_a point_n a_o true_a and_o lawful_a general_a council_n never_o err_v de_fw-fr facto_fw-la because_o forsooth_o papist_n say_n that_o a_o general_a council_n can_v err_v if_o this_o be_v right_a and_o regular_a yet_o first_o bate_v i_o a_o ace_n for_o all_o be_v not_o popery_n that_o papist_n say_v but_o what_o they_o say_v as_o papist_n as_o a_o faction_n divide_v as_o in_o particular_a by_o themselves_o that_o haply_o be_v popery_n all_o be_v not_o heresy_n that_o heretic_n hold_v nor_o be_v all_o puritanisme_n that_o puritan_n believe_v or_o maintain_v they_o hold_v many_o thing_n right_a with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n but_o what_o they_o hold_v as_o puritan_n that_o be_v as_o a_o schismatical_a party_n divide_v from_o and_o oppose_v against_o the_o doctrine_n or_o discipline_n or_o both_o of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n that_o we_o may_v be_v bold_a to_o call_v so_o semblable_o we_o be_v to_o judge_v of_o papist_n and_o so_o what_o be_v say_v of_o papist_n be_v not_o present_o and_o indistinct_o popery_n but_o may_v be_v say_v in_o terminis_fw-la by_o protestant_n and_o they_o be_v never_o a_o whit_n the_o more_o any_o papist_n for_o so_o say_v again_o to_o say_v that_o this_o proposition_n a_o true_a and_o lawful_a general_n council_n never_o do_v err_v be_v popery_n can_v sink_v into_o my_o understanding_n for_o i_o demand_v quo_fw-la warranto_fw-la have_v any_o classis_fw-la or_o consistory_n of_o lay-elder_n or_o other_o conclude_v it_o so_o it_o may_v be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o misreport_n a_o error_n in_o story_n which_o go_v no_o far_a than_o unto_o the_o thing_n do_v or_o not_o do_v historical_a mistake_n mis-relatings_a who_o make_v they_o popery_n though_o i_o profess_v i_o neither_o know_v nor_o acknowledge_v any_o misreport_n or_o error_n in_o point_n of_o story_n in_o so_o say_v let_v any_o puritan_n live_v show_v i_o where_o when_o in_o what_o any_o general_n council_n according_a to_o true_a acception_n or_o church_n representative_a have_v so_o err_v in_o the_o resolution_n and_o decision_n of_o that_o council_n for_o in_o the_o debate_n of_o doubt_n question_n proposition_n the_o case_n be_v otherwise_o and_o not_o the_o same_o i_o conceive_v and_o acknowledge_v but_o four_o counsel_n of_o this_o kind_n that_o of_o nice_n of_o constantinople_n of_o ephesus_n of_o chalcedon_n show_v i_o in_o what_o fundamental_a point_n of_o faith_n any_o of_o these_o general_n counsel_n have_v err_v but_o it_o be_v popery_n peradventure_o to_o say_v it_o never_o be_v therefore_o in_o all_o probability_n it_o can_v be_v if_o so_o than_o inconsequence_n and_o non_fw-fr sequitur_n in_o logic_n be_v in_o your_o opinion_n to_o be_v range_v under_o point_n of_o popery_n and_o so_o by_o this_o your_o assignment_n popery_n will_v extend_v itself_o very_o far_o indeed_o far_o than_o ever_o any_o pope_n or_o papist_n do_v pretend_v or_o claim_v and_o if_o you_o will_v grant_v the_o pope_n this_o so_o universal_a and_o transcendent_a jurisdiction_n yet_o m._n mountagu's_fw-mi popery_n come_v not_o up_o so_o high_a as_o unto_o generality_n illimited_a it_o can_v be_v at_o all_o it_o insist_v but_o upon_o some_o point_n only_o and_o that_o not_o by_o or_o with_o a_o general_a vouchee_n neither_o but_o thus_o only_o i_o see_v no_o cause_n now_o there_o may_v be_v cause_n though_o i_o see_v it_o not_o it_o may_v be_v though_o i_o
elsewhere_o before_o that_o popery_n in_v be_v hear_v of_o in_o the_o world_n or_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n itself_o but_o the_o name_n of_o altar_n be_v give_v unto_o they_o when_o they_o be_v of_o wood_n as_o be_v plain_a out_o of_o optatus_n and_o other_o as_o i_o have_v there_o collect_v now_o though_o you_o may_v stumble_v and_o break_v your_o shin_n at_o the_o altar_n yet_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v not_o overthrow_v the_o sacrifice_n i_o have_v so_o good_a opinion_n of_o your_o understanding_n though_o weak_a that_o you_o will_v confess_v the_o bless_a sacrament_n of_o the_o altar_n or_o communion-table_n whether_o you_o please_v to_o be_v a_o sacrifice_n not_o propitiatory_a as_o they_o call_v it_o i_o will_v use_v this_o word_n call_v it_o lest_o you_o challenge_v i_o upon_o popery_n for_o use_v propitiatory_a for_o the_o live_n and_o dead_a not_o a_o external_a visible_a true_a and_o proper_a sacrifice_n but_o only_o representative_a rememorative_n and_o spiritual_a sacrifice_n now_o if_o you_o grant_v a_o sacrifice_n why_o deny_v you_o a_o altar_n d._n reynolds_n and_o b._n morton_z have_v grant_v that_o though_o we_o have_v no_o proper_a altar_n yet_o altar_n and_o sacrifice_n have_v a_o mutual_a relation_n and_o dependence_n one_o upon_o the_o other_o the_o name_n of_o priest_n be_v give_v not_o only_o unto_o all_o christian_n in_o general_a but_o also_o to_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n in_o particular_a by_o the_o confession_n of_o d._n reynolds_n out_o of_o isaiah_n lxvi_o 21._o in_o his_o conference_n chap._n viii_o divis_n 4._o pag._n 470._o indeed_o first_o to_o the_o minister_n and_o then_o to_o those_o that_o be_v all_o a_o royal_a priesthood_n they_o have_v authority_n as_o he_o confess_v to_o sacrifice_v spiritual_o good_a sir_n why_o not_o then_o a_o altar_n at_o least_o of_o the_o same_o make_n to_o sacrifice_v upon_o and_o why_o then_o be_v it_o such_o popery_n to_o name_v the_o lord_n supper_n the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o altar_n walk_v at_o random_n and_o at_o rover_n in_o your_o by-path_n if_o you_o please_v i_o have_v use_v the_o phrase_n of_o altar_n for_o the_o communion-table_n according_a to_o the_o manner_n of_o antiquity_n and_o be_o like_a enough_o sometime_o to_o use_v it_o still_o s._n paul_n call_v the_o pagan_a altar_n which_o be_v indeed_o and_o true_o altar_n table_n and_o why_o may_v not_o we_o name_v the_o lord_n table_n a_o altar_n by_o the_o same_o warrant_n you_o can_v communicate_v he_o say_v of_o the_o table_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o the_o table_n of_o devil_n nor_o will_v i_o abstain_v notwithstanding_o your_o oggannition_n to_o follow_v the_o step_n and_o practice_n of_o antiquity_n in_o use_v the_o word_n sacrifice_n and_o priesthood_n also_o and_o yet_o be_v far_o from_o popery_n in_o that_o practice_n than_o you_o from_o puritanisme_n or_o any_o puritan_n be_v indeed_o from_o true_a popery_n be_v two_o bird_n of_o one_o feather_n chap._n xxx_o a_o real_a presence_n maintain_v by_o we_o the_o difference_n betwixt_o we_o and_o popish_a writer_n be_v only_o about_o the_o modus_fw-la the_o manner_n of_o christ_n presence_n in_o the_o bless_a sacrament_n agreement_n likely_a to_o be_v make_v but_o for_o the_o factious_a and_o unquiet_a spirit_n on_o both_o side_n beati_fw-la pacifici_fw-la informer_n afterward_o he_o express_v himself_o more_o full_o and_o say_v thus_o unto_o his_o adversary_n but_o that_o you_o be_v breed_v up_o in_o a_o faction_n otherwise_o you_o will_v acknowledge_v there_o need_v be_v no_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o papist_n and_o we_o in_o the_o point_n of_o real_a presence_n pag._n 253._o mountagu_n more_o full_o you_o mean_v to_o be_v a_o papist_n than_o before_o and_o that_o in_o the_o point_n of_o real_a presence_n which_o real_a presence_n in_o your_o divinity_n be_v flat_a popery_n but_o not_o in_o the_o divinity_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n concern_v this_o point_n i_o say_v and_o i_o say_v so_o still_o that_o if_o man_n be_v dispose_v as_o they_o ought_v unto_o peace_n there_o need_v be_v no_o difference_n and_o i_o add_v a_o reason_n which_o i_o repeat_v again_o here_o the_o disagreement_n be_v only_o in_o the_o modo_fw-la praesentiae_fw-la the_o thing_n be_v yield_v to_o on_o either_o side_n that_o there_o be_v in_o the_o holy_a eucharist_n a_o real_a presence_n god_n forbid_v say_v bishop_n bilson_n we_o shall_v deny_v that_o the_o flesh_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n be_v true_o present_a and_o true_o receive_v of_o the_o faithful_a at_o the_o lord_n table_n it_o be_v the_o doctrine_n that_o we_o teach_v other_o and_o comfort_v ourselves_o withal_o pag._n 779._o of_o true_a subject_n and_o the_o reverend_a and_o learned_a answerer_n unto_o bellarmine_n apology_n come_v home_o to_o the_o faith_n or_o popery_n if_o you_o will_v condemn_v in_o m._n mountagu_n who_o learn_v it_o of_o he_o and_o such_o as_o he_o be_v nobis_fw-la vobiscum_fw-la de_fw-la obiecto_fw-la convenit_fw-la de_fw-la modo_fw-la lie_fw-la omnis_fw-la est_fw-la you_o understand_v not_o objectum_fw-la and_o modum_fw-la here_o take_v his_o own_o application_n to_o the_o purpose_n praesentiam_fw-la inquam_fw-la credimus_fw-la non_fw-la minus_fw-la quam_fw-la vos_fw-la veram_n de_fw-fr modo_fw-la praesentiae_fw-la nil_fw-la temerè_fw-la definimus_fw-la and_o to_o they_o agree_v bishop_n morton_z pag._n 93._o the_o question_n be_v not_o concern_v a_o real_a presence_n which_o protestant_n as_o their_o own_o jesuit_n witness_n do_v also_o profess_v fortunatus_n a_o protestant_n hold_v that_o christ_n be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n most_o real_o verissimè_fw-la realissimeque_fw-la be_v his_o word_n calvin_n teach_v that_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n body_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o faithful_a be_v trluy_fw-fr in_o this_o sacrament_n and_o substantial_o receive_v with_o who_o beza_n and_o sadael_n do_v consent_n if_o this_o be_v the_o doctrine_n that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n teach_v and_o profess_v as_o it_o be_v indeed_o i_o leave_v you_o to_o those_o that_o must_v look_v unto_o you_o yea_o but_o it_o be_v inexpiable_a that_o i_o say_v we_o need_v not_o so_o dissent_v from_o papist_n as_o if_o it_o be_v a_o sacrilege_n not_o to_o jar_v and_o jingle_v infinite_o without_o cause_n i_o may_v i_o see_v turn_v my_o speech_n to_o you_o and_o you_o will_v not_o refuse_v to_o take_v it_o to_o yourselves_o which_o i_o utter_v touch_v the_o jesuite_n faction_n but_o that_o the_o devil_n breed_v you_o up_o in_o a_o faction_n and_o send_v you_o abroad_o to_o do_v he_o service_n in_o maintain_v a_o faction_n otherwise_o you_o may_v right_v well_o acknowledge_v there_o be_v no_o such_o cause_n why_o in_o this_o point_n of_o the_o sacrament_n we_o shall_v be_v so_o distract_v as_o we_o and_o the_o papist_n be_v see_v both_o confess_v that_o which_o be_v enough_o this_o be_v my_o body_n and_o contend_v mere_o about_o the_o modus_fw-la how_o it_o be_v my_o body_n a_o point_n of_o faith_n undeniable_a though_o it_o be_v unsearchable_a and_o incomprehensible_a incomparable_a hooker_n that_o puritanomastix_n may_v well_o say_v and_o you_o in_o your_o right_a wit_n will_v subscribe_v it_o thus_o see_v that_o by_o open_v the_o several_a opinion_n which_o have_v be_v hold_v they_o be_v grow_v for_o aught_o i_o can_v see_v on_o all_o side_n at_o the_o length_n to_o a_o general_a agreement_n concern_v that_o which_o alone_o be_v material_a namely_o the_o real_a participation_n of_o christ_n and_o of_o life_n in_o his_o body_n and_o blood_n by_o mean_n of_o this_o sacrament_n wherefore_o shall_v the_o world_n continue_v still_o distract_v yes_o to_o please_v the_o humour_n and_o serve_v the_o turn_n of_o jesuit_n and_o puritan_n and_o rend_v with_o so_o manifold_a contention_n when_o there_o remain_v now_o no_o controversy_n save_v only_o about_o the_o subject_n where_o christ_n be_v yea_o even_o in_o this_o point_n neither_o side_n deny_v but_o that_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n be_v the_o receptacle_n of_o christ_n presence_n it_o be_v no_o blessed_a speech_n in_o my_o opinion_n but_o unworthy_a to_o be_v hear_v in_o a_o open_a pulpit_n and_o publish_v in_o print_n maledicti_fw-la pacifici_fw-la those_o that_o endeavour_n to_o make_v up_o such_o rent_n be_v you_o of_o that_o family_n if_o you_o please_v i_o be_o for_o peace_n and_o reconciliation_n and_o say_v still_o beati_fw-la pacifici_fw-la as_o i_o have_v good_a warrant_n from_o christ_n and_o his_o bless_a servant_n king_n james_n of_o most_o happy_a memory_n chap._n xxxi_o the_o author_n acknowledgement_n of_o his_o error_n consecration_n of_o the_o element_n cause_v a_o change_n yet_o infer_v no_o popish_a transubstantiation_n the_o informer_n out_o of_o their_o element_n antiquity_n maintain_v figurist_n &_o noveller_n condemn_v informer_n and_o again_o no_o man_n deny_v a_o change_n a_o alteration_n a_o transmutation_n a_o transelementation_n as_o they_o speak_v