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st._n gregory_n condemn_v it_o only_o in_o the_o first_o sense_n assert_v the_o second_o express_o to_o himself_o 5._o phocas_n give_v no_o new_a title_n to_o boniface_n but_o only_o declare_v that_o the_o title_n of_o universal_a bishop_n do_v of_o right_o belong_v to_o the_o pope_n and_o not_o to_o the_o bishop_n of_o constantinople_n 6._o st._n irenaeus_n not_o right_o translate_v by_o the_o bishop_n 7._o ruffinus_n corrupt_v the_o nicen_n canon_n and_o the_o bishop_n mistake_v ruffinus_n 8._o the_o bishop_n even_o with_o calvin_n help_v can_v clear_v himself_o of_o the_o authority_n of_o st._n irenaeus_n 9_o st._n epiphanius_n miscit_v and_o mistake_v by_o the_o bishop_n 10._o primacy_n and_o supremacy_n in_o the_o ecclesiastical_a sense_n all_o one_o and_o as_o necessary_a in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n now_o as_o in_o the_o apostle_n time_n after_o many_o wind_n the_o bishop_n lead_v we_o at_o last_o into_o a_o trite_a and_o beat_a way_n fall_v upon_o the_o question_n of_o john_n patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n so_o much_o censure_v by_o st._n gregory_n for_o assume_v the_o title_n of_o universal_a bishop_n a_o objection_n satisfy_v a_o hundred_o time_n over_o yet_o 12._o though_o never_o so_o clear_a in_o itself_o the_o bishop_n still_o endeavour_v to_o overshadow_v it_o with_o difficulty_n and_o amuse_v his_o reader_n to_o the_o end_n therefore_o all_o obscurity_n may_v be_v take_v away_o and_o the_o truth_n clear_o appear_v i_o think_v it_o not_o amiss_o in_o the_o first_o place_n to_o set_v down_o the_o whole_a matter_n historical_o as_o i_o find_v it_o register_v in_o the_o monument_n of_o the_o church_n 1._o know_v then_o that_o the_o title_n of_o universal_a or_o ecumenical_a bishop_n in_o ecclesiastical_a history_n be_v ancient_o attribute_v to_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n this_o no_o man_n can_v deny_v that_o read_v the_o act_n of_o that_o famous_a general_n council_n of_o chalcedon_n where_o in_o a_o letter_n approve_v by_o the_o whole_a council_n and_o afterward_o by_o order_n of_o the_o bishop_n there_o assemble_v insert_v into_o the_o act_n thereof_o the_o priest_n and_o deacon_n of_o alexandria_n style_n pope_n 3._o leo_n the_o most_o holy_a and_o most_o bless_a ecumenical_a or_o universal_a patriarch_n of_o great_a rome_n etc._n etc._n the_o national_a council_n of_o constantinople_n do_v the_o same_o to_o pope_n agapet_n call_v he_o their_o 5._o most_o holy_a lord_n the_o archbishop_n of_o old_a rome_n and_o ecumenical_a patriarch_n agapet_n etc._n etc._n john_n bishop_n of_o nicopolis_n with_o other_o style_v pope_n hormisda_n rom._n universi_fw-la orbis_fw-la terrarum_fw-la patriarcha_fw-la which_o be_v in_o full_a sense_n the_o same_o with_o ecumenical_a constantinus_n pogonatus_n the_o emperor_n in_o the_o three_o council_n of_o constantinople_n which_o be_v the_o six_o general_n call_v leo_n the_o second_o ecumenical_a pope_n as_o witness_v both_o rom._n baronius_n and_o 1636._o binius_fw-la so_o likewise_o 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other_o patriarch_n 2._o it_o be_v further_a observable_a that_o
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