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A70515 Of the incurable scepticism of the Church of Rome; De insanabili romanae Ecclesiae scepticismo. English La Placette, Jean, 1629-1718.; Tenison, Thomas, 1636-1715. 1688 (1688) Wing L429; Wing T705; ESTC R13815 157,482 172

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auxilius_n sardic_n auxilius_n apud_fw-la lupum_fw-la diss_n de_fw-fr council_n sardic_n among_o the_o ancient_n by_o richerius_n 3._o richerius_n rich._n the_o council_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 3._o and_o peter_n de_fw-fr marca_n 3._o marca_n marca_n de_fw-fr concord_n lib._n 7._o cap._n 3._o among_o the_o modern_n the_o first_o constantinopolitan_a council_n natalis_n 236._o natalis_n orientalis_n duntaxat_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la concilium_fw-la istud_fw-la fuit_fw-la nec_fw-la oecumenicum_fw-la nisi_fw-la ex_fw-la post_fw-la facto_fw-la quatenus_fw-la etc._n etc._n nat._n nat._n 4._o part_n 1._o p._n 236._o affirm_v to_o have_v be_v only_o a_o synod_n of_o the_o eastern_a church_n and_o ecumenical_a only_a ex_fw-la post_fw-la facto_fw-la inasmuch_o as_o the_o western_a church_n in_o the_o roman_a synod_n under_o pope_n damasus_n approve_v it_o yet_o in_o the_o year_n after_o the_o council_n the_o eastern_a bishop_n meet_v at_o constantinople_n and_o write_v to_o the_o roman_a synod_n 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present_a but_o make_v a_o separate_a synod_n in_o the_o same_o city_n anathematise_v the_o other_o which_o prevail_v indeed_o in_o number_n and_o reason_n and_o so_o may_v be_v call_v lawful_a but_o can_v be_v ecumenical_a the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n be_v acknowledge_v by_o all_o yet_o as_o to_o the_o 13_o session_n in_o which_o notwithstanding_o all_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o synod_n be_v make_v it_o be_v reject_v by_o baronius_n lupus_n and_o many_o other_o because_o the_o legate_n of_o rome_n and_o the_o bishop_n of_o egypt_n be_v then_o absent_a whereas_o the_o greek_n and_o other_o contend_v it_o be_v whole_o ecumenical_a the_o v._o council_n under_o justinian_n which_o be_v the_o ii_o constant_a inopolitan_a be_v admit_v for_o ecumenical_a by_o all_o the_o present_a greek_n and_o latin_n not_o so_o former_o when_o the_o african_n italian_n spaniard_n and_o gaul_n reject_v it_o and_o certain_o it_o be_v not_o ecumenical_a for_o vigilius_n and_o the_o western_a bishop_n although_o then_o at_o constantinople_n will_v not_o be_v present_a in_o it_o the_o council_n in_o trullo_n be_v account_v general_n by_o some_o greek_n and_o latin_n as_o innocent_a iii_o gratian_n bellarmine_n barnes_n and_o other_o deny_v by_o baronius_n 692._o baronius_n bar._n add_v a_o 692._o leo_n allatius_n consensu_fw-la allatius_n leo_fw-la all._n de_fw-fr perp_v consensu_fw-la and_o bellarmin_n 18._o bellarmin_n bell._n de_fw-fr pont._n lib._n 2._o cap._n 18._o himself_o in_o another_o place_n the_o ii_o nicene_n be_v esteem_v ecumenical_a both_o by_o greek_n and_o latin_n yet_o former_o hincmar_n and_o even_o theodorus_n studita_n that_o great_a patron_n of_o image-worship_n maintain_v it_o be_v only_o local_a as_o lupus_n 15._o lupus_n lup._n do_v de_fw-fr council_n nicaen_fw-la ii_o cap._n 15._o confess_v certain_o it_o be_v deny_v to_o be_v ecumenical_a by_o the_o ancient_a french_a german_n and_o english_a and_o by_o the_o synod_n of_o franoford_n who_o deny_v it_o can_v be_v call_v ecumenical_a when_o it_o be_v propose_v to_o they_o as_o peter_z de_fw-fr marca_n 17._o marca_n proposita_fw-la est_fw-la sacro_fw-la conventui_fw-la synodus_fw-la nicaeae_fw-la habita_fw-la quam_fw-la illi_fw-la oecumenicam_fw-la dici_fw-la posse_fw-la negârunt_fw-la marc._n the_o concord_n lib._n 7._o cap._n 17._o acknowledge_v yea_o and_o in_o the_o caroline_n capitular_a they_o call_v it_o a_o heretical_a schismatical_a erroneous_a and_o presumptuous_a synod_n wonder_v at_o the_o impudence_n and_o vanity_n of_o its_o bishop_n in_o rank_v themselves_o with_o the_o six_o former_a general_n council_n and_o just_o may_v they_o wonder_v at_o it_o for_o although_o the_o roman_a legate_n be_v present_a yet_o the_o western_a be_v not_o either_o by_o themselves_o or_o by_o their_o delegate_n not_o to_o say_v that_o the_o pretend_a legata_n of_o the_o three_o oriental_a patriarch_n be_v suborn_v by_o the_o council_n and_o have_v no_o commission_n from_o those_o patriarch_n 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vien_fw-it and_o pisa_n but_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n praescriptâ_fw-la constance_n in_o formulâ_fw-la fidei_fw-la pontifici_fw-la eligendo_fw-la praescriptâ_fw-la admit_v only_o one_o of_o lateran_n one_o of_o lion_n and_o that_o of_o vien_fw-it reject_v the_o other_o five_o clement_n vii_o reject_v yet_o more_o for_o in_o his_o bull_n of_o privilege_n for_o the_o edition_n of_o the_o florentine_a synod_n he_o call_v it_o the_o eight_o general_n council_n whereby_o he_o proscribe_v all_o these_o eight_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n itself_o and_o the_o constantinopolitan_a under_o ignatius_n which_o common_o bear_v the_o title_n of_o the_o eight_o of_o these_o eight_o that_o of_o lion_n under_o innocent_a iv_o be_v one_o wherein_o frederick_n the_o emperor_n be_v depose_v this_o bellarmine_n onuphrius_n and_o the_o assertor_n of_o the_o pope_n depose_v power_n contend_v to_o have_v be_v general_n launoy_n and_o widdrington_n deny_v it_o nor_o be_v this_o a_o late_a controversy_n this_o very_a thing_n be_v dispute_v in_o the_o synod_n itself_o between_o the_o pope_n and_o thaddaeus_n the_o emperor_n orator_n editionem_fw-la vid._n labbeanam_n council_n editionem_fw-la who_o appeal_n to_o a_o future_a general_n council_n be_v reject_v by_o the_o pope_n upon_o pretext_n that_o the_o present_a synod_n be_v ecumenical_a the_o council_n of_o constance_n be_v from_o the_o begin_n to_o the_o end_n account_v general_n by_o the_o french_a as_o the_o cardinal_n of_o lorraine_n senat._n lorraine_n apud_fw-la gallos_n constantiense_n concilium_fw-la in_o partibus_fw-la suis_fw-la omnibus_fw-la ut_fw-la generale_fw-mi habetur_fw-la comm._fw-la ad_fw-la briton_n senat._n express_o affirm_v and_o the_o whole_a clergy_n of_o france_n late_o confirm_v with_o a_o solemn_a decree_n the_o monarchist_n deny_v it_o to_o have_v be_v general_n in_o the_o first_o session_n because_o of_o the_o three_o obedience_n but_o one_o be_v present_a so_o cajetan_n canus_n bellarmine_n duval_n and_o innumerable_a other_o bosius_n 8._o bosius_n bos_n de_fw-fr signis_fw-la eccl._n lib._n 5._o cap._n 8._o and_o f._n cotton_n go_v far_o of_o who_o the_o first_o reckon_v it_o not_o at_o all_o among_o the_o ecumenical_a council_n the_o second_o by_o the_o testimony_n of_o richerius_n 3._o richerius_n rich._n hist_o council_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 3._o wipe_v it_o out_o of_o the_o list_n of_o they_o that_o the_o council_n of_o basil_n be_v always_o hold_v ecumenical_a by_o the_o french_a the_o cardinal_n of_o lorraine_n witness_v the_o same_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o eugenius_n iu._n bellarmine_n carranza_n labbé_fw-fr and_o other_o duval_n su_fw-es duval_n duvall_n de_fw-fr potest_fw-la pont._n in_o antelo_fw-la su_fw-es vehement_o oppose_v it_o and_o stiff_o contend_v it_o be_v never_o general_n the_o council_n of_o florence_n be_v never_o by_o the_o french_a esteem_v either_o lawful_a or_o general_a say_v the_o same_o cardinal_n cit_fw-la cardinal_n conc._n florentinum_n perinde_v ac_fw-la nec_fw-la legitimum_fw-la nec_fw-la generale_fw-mi repudiatur_fw-la loc_fw-la cit_fw-la on_o the_o contrary_a the_o italian_n and_o spaniard_n extol_v it_o to_o the_o sky_n the_o council_n of_o lateran_n under_o leo_n x._o fabulottus_n bellarmine_n and_o many_o more_o contend_v to_o have_v be_v ecumenical_a yet_o bellarmine_n confess_v that_o some_o doubt_n of_o it_o and_o duval_n 7._o duval_n quidam_fw-la aiunt_fw-la non_fw-la fuisse_fw-la verè_fw-la &_o propriè_fw-la generale_fw-mi c●m_fw-la ei_fw-la vix_fw-la c._n episcopi_fw-la intersuerint_fw-la duvall_n de_fw-fr potest_fw-la pont._n part_n 4._o qu._n 7._o that_o other_o affirm_v it_o not_o to_o have_v be_v true_o and_o proper_o general_n forasmuch_o as_o there_o be_v scarce_o a_o hundred_o bishop_n present_a in_o itc_n and_o himself_o a_o little_a after_o leave_v it_o uncertain_a because_o of_o the_o paucity_n of_o bishop_n which_o reason_n may_v also_o exclude_v many_o session_n of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n thus_o therefore_o it_o manifest_o appear_v that_o there_o be_v many_o council_n who_o universality_n be_v and_o be_v still_o dispute_v of_o the_o latin_n agree_v neither_o with_o the_o greek_n nor_o among_o themselves_o
be_v uncertain_a whether_o plurality_n of_o suffrage_n ought_v to_o overcome_v or_o whether_o perfect_a unanimity_n be_v require_v that_o in_o both_o case_n no_o small_a difficulty_n occur_v there_o remain_v the_o last_o part_n of_o a_o lawful_a proceed_v the_o conclusion_n whereby_o the_o precedent_n of_o the_o council_n when_o he_o have_v hear_v the_o suffrage_n of_o the_o father_n solemn_o pronounce_v sentence_n concern_v this_o be_v no_o small_a controversy_n viz._n whether_o the_o precedent_n of_o the_o council_n whosoever_o he_o be_v aught_o to_o give_v sentence_n according_a to_o the_o major_a part_n of_o the_o suffrage_n or_o whether_o a_o full_a or_o absolute_a unanimity_n be_v necessary_a and_o whether_o the_o same_o account_n be_v to_o be_v make_v of_o a_o decree_n make_v by_o the_o vote_n of_o all_o and_o by_o the_o vote_n of_o the_o major_a part_n the_o monarchist_n distinguish_v here_o and_o say_v that_o if_o the_o pope_n himself_o preside_v and_o perceive_v either_o the_o major_a part_n or_o all_o to_o favour_v error_n he_o may_v deny_v his_o assent_n to_o they_o and_o give_v sentence_n as_o himself_o please_v but_o if_o only_a the_o legate_n preside_v and_o have_v instruction_n what_o to_o do_v if_o the_o major_a number_n of_o vote_n be_v consonant_a to_o their_o instruction_n they_o may_v give_v sentence_n without_o expect_v unanimity_n if_o repugnant_a they_o must_v suspend_v their_o assent_n on_o both_o side_n and_o refer_v all_o to_o the_o pope_n who_o may_v determine_v it_o as_o he_o please_v however_o regular_o and_o ordinary_o they_o think_v plurality_n of_o vote_n ought_v to_o overcome_v so_o bellarmin_n 11._o bellarmin_n est_fw-la verum_fw-la decretum_fw-la concilii_fw-la quod_fw-la fit_a à_fw-la majori_fw-la parte_fw-la alioqui_fw-la nullum_fw-la esset_fw-la legitimum_fw-la concilii_fw-la decretum_fw-la cùm_fw-la semper_fw-la aliqui_fw-la dissentiant_fw-la bell._n the_o council_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 11._o that_o decree_n of_o a_o council_n be_v true_a which_o be_v make_v by_o the_o major_a part_n otherwise_o no_o decree_n of_o a_o council_n will_v be_v lawful_a since_o some_o have_v dissent_v in_o all_o and_o in_o another_o place_n 18._o place_n ibid._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 18._o produce_v the_o example_n of_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n which_o declare_v heretic_n ten_o egyptian_a bishop_n who_o will_v not_o acquiesce_v in_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o major_a part_n and_o in_o a_o three_o place_n say_v 21._o say_v nisi_fw-la detur_fw-la locus_fw-la majori_fw-la parti_fw-la suffragiorum_fw-la lib._n 1._o cap._n 21._o there_o will_v never_o be_v a_o end_n of_o controversy_n unless_o we_o give_v place_n to_o the_o major_a part_n of_o suffrage_n the_o same_o say_v tho._n bosius_n 9_o bosius_n bos_n de_fw-fr signis_fw-la eccl._n lib._n 16._o cap._n 9_o and_o many_o other_o this_o opinion_n seem_v also_o to_o have_v obtain_v at_o trent_n for_o when_o the_o father_n be_v divide_v about_o abolish_n clandestine_v 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