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controversy_n this_o very_a thing_n be_v dispute_v in_o the_o synod_n itself_o between_o the_o pope_n and_o thaddaeus_n the_o emperor_n orator_n editionem_fw-la vid._n labbeanam_n council_n editionem_fw-la who_o appeal_n to_o a_o future_a general_n council_n be_v reject_v by_o the_o pope_n upon_o pretext_n that_o the_o present_a synod_n be_v ecumenical_a the_o council_n of_o constance_n be_v from_o the_o begin_n to_o the_o end_n account_v general_n by_o the_o french_a as_o the_o cardinal_n of_o lorraine_n senat._n lorraine_n apud_fw-la gallos_n constantiense_n concilium_fw-la in_o partibus_fw-la suis_fw-la omnibus_fw-la ut_fw-la generale_fw-mi habetur_fw-la comm._fw-la ad_fw-la briton_n senat._n express_o affirm_v and_o the_o whole_a clergy_n of_o france_n late_o confirm_v with_o a_o solemn_a decree_n the_o monarchist_n deny_v it_o to_o have_v be_v general_n in_o the_o first_o session_n because_o of_o the_o three_o obedience_n but_o one_o be_v present_a so_o cajetan_n canus_n bellarmine_n duval_n and_o innumerable_a other_o bosius_n 8._o bosius_n bos_n de_fw-fr signis_fw-la eccl._n lib._n 5._o cap._n 8._o and_o f._n cotton_n go_v far_o of_o who_o the_o first_o reckon_v it_o not_o at_o all_o among_o the_o ecumenical_a council_n the_o second_o by_o the_o testimony_n of_o richerius_n 3._o richerius_n rich._n hist_o council_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 3._o wipe_v it_o out_o of_o the_o list_n of_o they_o that_o the_o council_n of_o basil_n be_v always_o hold_v ecumenical_a by_o the_o french_a the_o cardinal_n of_o lorraine_n witness_v the_o same_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o eugenius_n iu._n bellarmine_n carranza_n labbé_fw-fr and_o other_o duval_n su_fw-es duval_n duvall_n de_fw-fr potest_fw-la pont._n in_o antelo_fw-la su_fw-es vehement_o oppose_v it_o and_o stiff_o contend_v it_o be_v never_o general_n the_o council_n of_o florence_n be_v never_o by_o the_o french_a esteem_v either_o lawful_a or_o general_a say_v the_o same_o cardinal_n cit_fw-la cardinal_n conc._n florentinum_n perinde_v ac_fw-la nec_fw-la legitimum_fw-la nec_fw-la generale_fw-mi repudiatur_fw-la loc_fw-la cit_fw-la on_o the_o contrary_a the_o italian_n and_o spaniard_n extol_v it_o to_o the_o sky_n the_o council_n of_o lateran_n under_o leo_n x._o fabulottus_n bellarmine_n and_o many_o more_o contend_v to_o have_v be_v ecumenical_a yet_o bellarmine_n confess_v that_o some_o doubt_n of_o it_o and_o duval_n 7._o duval_n quidam_fw-la aiunt_fw-la non_fw-la fuisse_fw-la verè_fw-la &_o propriè_fw-la generale_fw-mi câ—m_fw-la ei_fw-la vix_fw-la c._n episcopi_fw-la intersuerint_fw-la duvall_n de_fw-fr potest_fw-la pont._n part_n 4._o qu._n 7._o that_o other_o affirm_v it_o not_o to_o have_v be_v true_o and_o proper_o general_n forasmuch_o as_o there_o be_v scarce_o a_o hundred_o bishop_n present_a in_o itc_n and_o himself_o a_o little_a after_o leave_v it_o uncertain_a because_o of_o the_o paucity_n of_o bishop_n which_o reason_n may_v also_o exclude_v many_o session_n of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n thus_o therefore_o it_o manifest_o appear_v that_o there_o be_v many_o council_n who_o universality_n be_v and_o be_v still_o dispute_v of_o the_o latin_n agree_v neither_o with_o the_o greek_n nor_o among_o themselves_o