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A57825 Five speeches in the High and Honourable Court of Parliament by Sir Benjamin Rudyerd ... ; printed according to his owne true copies, the former being absurdly false.; Speeches. Selections Rudyerd, Benjamin, Sir, 1572-1658. 1641 (1641) Wing R2184; ESTC R12031 12,505 32

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government of the State Every man can say it is so common and known a truch that sudden and great changes both in naturall and politique bodies have dangerous operations and give me leave to say that we cannot presently see to the end of such a consequence especially in so great a kingdom as this and where Episcopacie is so wrap dane involv'd in the Laws of it Wherefore Master Speaker my humble motion is That we may punish the present offenders reduce and preserve the Calling for better men hereafter Let us remember with fresh thankfulnesse to God those glorious Martyr Bishops who were burn'd for our Religion in the times of Popery who by their learning zeal and constancle uphold and convay'd it down to us We have some good Bishops still who do preach every Lords Day and are therefore worthy of double honour They have suffer'd enough already in the disease I shall be forry we should make them suffer more in the remedy Concerning BISHOPS DEANES AND CHAPTERS At a Committee of the whole House by Sir Beniamin Rudyerd M. Hyde WE are now upon a very great businesse so great indeed as it requires our soundest our saddest consideration our best iudgement for the present our utmost foresight for the futuer But Sir One thing doth exceedingly trouble me it turnes me quite round it makes my whole reason vertiginous which is that so many doe beleeve against the wisdom of all ages that now there can he no reformation without destruction as if every sick body must presently be knock'd in the head as past hope of cure Religion was first and best planted in Cities God did spread his net where most might be caught Cities had Bishops and Presbiters Presbiters were the Seminaries out of which were sent labourers by the Bishops to propagate and cultivate the Gospell The Clergy then liv'd wholly upon the free-will-offerings and bounty of the people Afterward when Kings and States grew to be Christians the outward settlement of the church grew up with them They erected Bishopricks founded Cathedrall churches endowed them with large possessions Land lords built parish churches gleabd them with some portion of land for which they have still a right of Presentation I do confesse that some Bishops have had ambitious dangerous aymes and have so still That in their government there are very great Enormities Regeneration doth neither destroy the man nor the faculties but doth rectifie and reforme them so the calling of Bishops may c. But I am not of their opinion who beleeve that there is an innate ill quallity in Episcopacy like a specificall property which is a refuge not a reason I hope there is no originall sin in Episcopacie and though there were yet may the Calling be aswell reformed as the person regenerated Bishops have govern'd the church for fifteene hundred yeeres without interruption and no man will say But that God hath saved soules in all those times under their government Let them be reduced according to the usage of ancient Churches in the best times so restrayned as they may not be able hereafter to shame the calling I love not those that hate to be reformed and doe therefore thinke them worthy of the more strict the more close reformation We have often complaind that Bishops are too absolute too singular Although Cathedrall churches are now for the most part but receptacles of Droanes and Non-residents yet some good men may be found or placed there to be Assessours with the Bishops to assist them in actions of moment in causes of importance There is maintenance already provided for them If either in Bishopricks or Cathedrall churches there be too much some may be pared off to relieve them that have to little If yet more may be spared it may be employed to the setting up of a preaching ministery thorow the whole kingdome and untill this be done although we are Christians yet are we not a Christian State There are some places in England that are not in Christendome the people are so ignorant they live so without God in the world for which Parliaments are to answer both to God and man let us looke to it for it lyes like one of the Burdens of the Prophet Esay heavy and flat upon Parliaments I have oftentimes seriously considered with my selfe what strong concurrent motives and causes did meet together in that time when Abbeyes and Monasteryes were overthrown Certainly Gods hand was the greatest for he was most offended The prophane superstitions the abhominable Idolatryes the filthy nefandous wickednesse of their lifes did stink in Gods nostriles did call downe for vengeance for reformation A good party of Religious men were zealous instruments in that great work As likewise many covetous ambitious Persons gaping for fat morsells did lustily drive it on But Master Hyde there was a principall Parliamentary motive which did facillitate the rest For it was propounded in Parliament that the Accession of Abbey lands would so in-rich the crowne as the people should never be put to pay Subsidies againe this was plausable both to court and country besides with the overplus there should be mainteyned a standing army of forty thousand men for a perpetuall defence of the kingdome this was safety at home terrour and honour abroad The Parliament would make all sure Gods part Religion by his blessing hath been reasonably well preserv'd but it hath been saved an by fire for the rest is consum'd and vanish'd The people have paid Subsidies ever since and we are now in no very good case to pay an Army Let us beware Master Hyde that we do not look with a worldly carnall evill eye upon church lands Let us cleare our sight search our hearts that we may have unmixt and sincere ends without the least thought of saving our own purses Church lands will still be fittest to maintaine church men by a proportionable and orderly distribution We are very strict and curious to uphold our own propriety and there is great reason for it Are the Clergy only a sort of men who have no propriety at all in that which is called theirs I am sure they are Englishmen they are Subiects If we pull down Bishopricks and pull down Cathedrall churches in a short time we must be forc'd to pull downe Colledges too for schollers will live and die there as in cells if there be no considerable preferment to invite them abroad and the example we are making now will be an easie temptation to the lesse pressing necessities of future times This is the next way to bring in Barbarisine to make the Clergy an unlearnd contemptible vocation not to be desir'd but by the basest of the people and then where shall we finde men able to convince an adversary A Clergy man ought to have a farre greater proportion to live upon then any other man of an equall condition He is not bred to multiply Three-pences it becomes him not to live mechanically and sordidly He must be given to hospitality I do know my selfe a Clergy man nodignitary whose books have cost him a thousand pounds which when he dyes may be worth to his wife and children about some two hundred It will be a shamefull reproach to so flourishing a kingdom as this to have a poore beggerly Clergy For my part I think nothing too much nothing too good for a good minister a good Clergy man They ought least to want who best know how to abound Burning and shining lights do well deserve to bee set in good candlesticks Master Hyde I am as much for reformation for purging and maintaining Religion as any man whatsoever But I professe I am not for Innovation Demolition nor Abolition FINIS
fall away of them selves This nothing but Parliaments can do As for subsist I could never 〈…〉 narrow protecting word applyed to the King without scorne and indignation Let us set out thoughts and desires but six 〈◊〉 back when we had noe hope of any Parliament at all 〈◊〉 what then we would have given what we would have done then to have had a Parliament And we cannot 〈◊〉 well now It doth not well 〈◊〉 with the wisdom and settlednesse of this Assembly to value 〈◊〉 a Parliament we had not then the Parliament we have to think better of an imaginaty Parliament then of a reall one I have observed that whilst Parliaments are sitting they 〈…〉 so high so sharp as if Parliaments should sit alwaies which indeed doth 〈…〉 And when Parliaments are 〈…〉 who 〈…〉 if Parliament 〈◊〉 never sit again 〈…〉 a Parliament 〈…〉 into this House 〈…〉 us 〈…〉 the pieces together 〈…〉 out right and our selves with it 〈…〉 Mr. Speaker It is so far from being strange as it can hardly be otherwise but that in so long a vacation between Parliaments many disorders must needes grow in upon us as Deviation in Religion violation of Lawes invasion upon libertyes But the worke and labour is how to teduce them how to set them right againe The manner of doing it ought to be the principall in our consideration for the matters carry in them stirring vehement tempting provocations For that very reason Master Speaker it behoves us to be the more wary the more compos'd lest we be transported beyond the attaining our ends I confesse I do now feele my selfe in a straight Shall we onely looke forward as they call it Altogether omit and neglect God in his Religion the King in his Honour the Common-wealth in his gasping extremity That stands notwith the integrity of this house with the 〈…〉 our country Shall we encounter these enormities with the ful force of a Parliamentary strictnes rigor and exactnesse In doing thus we may turn the medcine into a worse disease and so undoe all even root out the whole race of Parliaments for ever Men and brethren what shall we doe Truly Master Speaker If I should speake for my life as I doe for more I should most humbly beseech this House That we may all of us strive to make this a breeding teeming Parliament that it may be the mother of many moe and not cast our selves upon the hazard of desperate dismall events As long as we have Parliaments we shall know where to finde our selves when they are gone we are lost AN INTRODVCTION To the PARLIAMENT Novemb. 7. 1640. Master Speaker WE are here assembled to do Gods busines the Kings in which our own is included as we are Christians as we are Subjects Let us 〈◊〉 God thee shall we honour the King the more for I am afraid we have been the lesse prospectus in Parliaments be cause we have preferr'd other 〈…〉 him Let Religion be 〈…〉 for all things else are 〈…〉 yet we may have them too 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 if we give God his precedence We all know what disturbance hath beene brought upon the 〈◊〉 for vain petty trifles How the whole Church The whole kingdome hath been troubled where to place a Metaphor an Altar We have seen Ministers their wives children and families undone against law against conscience against all bowells of compassion about not dancing upon Sundayes What do this sort of men thinke will be come of themselves when the master of the house shall come and finde them thus Beating their fellow-servants These inventions were but Sives made of purpose to winnow the best men and that 's the devils occupation They have a minde to worry Preaching for I never yet heard of any but diligent preachers that were vex'd with these and the like devices They despise prophecy and as one said they would faine be at something that were like the Masse that will not bite a muzzeld Religion They would evaporate and dis-spirit the power and vigour of Religion by drawing it out into solemne specious Formalityes into obsolete antiquated ceremonies new furbished up And this belike is the good worke in hand with Docter Heylin hath so often celebrated in his bold Pamphlets All their acts and actions are so full of mixtures involutions and complications as nothing is cleare nothing sincere in any of their proceedings let the in not say that these are the perverse suspicious malitious interpretations or some few factions spirits amongst us when a Romanist hath bragg'd and congratulated in print that the face of our church begins to alter the language of our religion to change And Sancta Clara hath published That if a Synod were held Non intermixtis Puritanis setting Puritans aside our Articles their Religion would soon be agreed They have so brought it to passe that under the name of Puritans all our Religion is branded under a few hard words against Iesuits all Popery is countenanced Whosoever squares his actions by any rule either divine or humane he is a Puritan Whosoever would be govern'd by the King's Lawes he is a Puritan he that will not doe whatsoever other men would have him do he is a Puritan Their great worke their master piece now is to make those of the Religion to be the suspected party of the kingdome Let us farther reflect upon the ill effects these courses have wrought what by a defection from us on the one side a separation on the other Some imagining whither we are tending made haste to turne or declare themselves Papists beforehand thereby hoping to render themselves the more gracious the more acceptable A great multitude of the King's Subiects striving to hold communion with us but seeing how farre we were gone and fearing how much further we would goe were forc'd to flee the land some into other inhabited countreys very many into savage wildernesses because the land would not bear them Doe not they that cause these things cast a reproach upon the government Master Speaker let it be our principall care that these wayes neither continue nor returne upon us If we secure our religion we shall cut off and defeat many plots that are now on foot by them by others Beleeve it Sirs Religion hath bin for a long time and still is the great designe upon this Kingdome It is a knowne and a practis'd principle that they who would introduce another Religion into the church must first trouble and disorder the government of the state that so they may hide and worke their ends in a confusion which now lyes at the doore I come next Master Speaker to the King businesse more particularly which indeed is the kingdomes for one hath no existence no being without the other their relation is so neere Yet some have subtilly and strongly laboured a divorce which hath been the very bane both of King and kingdome When foundations are shaken it is high time to look to the building He