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A04434	The svmme and svbstance of the conference which, it pleased his excellent Maiestie to haue with the lords, bishops, and other of his clergie, (at vvhich the most of the lordes of the councell were present) in his Maiesties priuy-chamber, at Hampton Court. Ianuary 14. 1603. / Contracted by VVilliam Barlovv, Doctor of Diuinity, and Deane of Chester. Whereunto are added, some copies, (scattered abroad,) vnsauory, and vntrue.	Barlow, William, d. 1613.	1604 (1604)	STC 1456.5; ESTC S100949	36,617	118

at his handes in giuing vs such a King as since Christ his time the like he thought hath not beene whereunto the Lords with one voice did yeeld a verie affectionate acclamation The Ciuilians present confessed that they could not in many houres warning haue so iudiciously plainely and accurately in such a briefe described it After this his Maiesty committed some weightie matters to be consulted of by the Lords and Bishops 1. for Excommunication in causes of lesse moment the name or censure to bee altered 2. for the High Commission the qualitie of the persons to be named and the nature of the causes to be handled therein 3. for recusant Communicants for there are 3. sortes saith his Maiestie of the Papistes some 1. which come to Sermons but not to seruice and prayer 2. some which come to both them but not to the Communion 3. a number which abstaine from all That inquirie might bee made of al those who were of the first second or third ranke concluding therein that the weake were to be informed the wilfull to bee punished Here my Lord Chancelor mentioned the writ de Excōmunicato capiendo which his Hon. saide did most affright the Papists of al other punishmēts because by reasō of that they were many wayes disabled in law therfore he would take order if his M tie so pleased to sēd that writ out against them freely without charge and if they were not executed his Lordship would lay the Undershiriffes in prison and to this the King assented The 4. thing to be consulted of was for the sending and appointing of Preachers into Ireland whereof saieth his Maiestie I am but halfe a King being Lord ouer their bodies but their soules seduced by Popery he much pittied affirming that where there is no true Religion there can be no continued obedience nor for Ireland onely but for some parts of Wales and the Northerne borders so once called though now no borders the men to bee sent not to be factious or scandalous for weeds will be weedes wheresoeuer they be and are good for nothing but to bee piked ouer the wall therefore they should single out men of sinceritie of knowledge of courage The last was for prouision of sufficient maintenance for the Clergy and withall for the planting of a learned and painfull minister in euery parish as time shall serue To euery of those his Maiestie willed that seuerall Cōmissioners of his Councell and bishops should be appointed by the Lords vpon the dissoluing the assembly present And thus hauing conferred of these points with his Bishops and referred othersome of them as you heard to speciall Committies his Maiestie willed that D. Reyn and his associates should bee called in to whom he presently signified what was done and caused the alterations or explications before named to bee read vnto them A little disputing there was about the wordes in mariage With my body I thee worship arguing no other thing to be ment by the word Worship then that which S. Paule willeth 1. Cor. 7. 4. the man thereby acknowledging that hereby he worshippeth his wife in that he appropriateth his body vnto her alone nor any more then that which S. Peter councelleth 1. Peter 3. 7. That the man should giue Honour to his Wife as to the weaker vessell yet for their satisfaction shold be put in With my body I thee worship honor if it were thoght fit so his M tie shut vp all with a most pithy exhortation to both sides for vnity perswading diligēce in each mans place without violence on the one party or disobedience on the other and willed them to deale with their friendes abroad to that purpose for his Maiestie feared and had some experience that many of them were ticklish and humorous nor that onely but labourers to peruert others to their fancies hee now saw that the exceptions against the Communion Booke were matters of weakenes therfore if the persons reluctant be discreet they will be wonne betimes by good perswasions if vndiscreete better they were remoued for many by their factious behauiour were driuen to be Papists Now then of their fruites he shall iudge them Obedience and Humilitie being markes of honest and good men Those he expected of them and by their example and perswasion of all their sorte abroade for if hereafter thinges being thus well ordered they should be vnquiet neither his Maiestie nor the state had any cause to thinke well of them To which they all gaue their vnanimous assent taking exception against nothing that was saide or done but promised to performe all dutie to the Bishoppes as their Reuerend fathers and to ioyne with them against the common aduersaries for the quiet of the Church Onely M. Chatterton of Emanuel Colledge kneeling requested that the wearing of the Surplis and the vse of the Crosse in Baptisme might not be vrged vpō some honest godly and painefull ministers in some partes of Lancashire who feared that if they should be forced vnto them many whome they had wonne to the Gospell would slide backe and reuolte vnto Popery againe and particularly instanced the Vicar of Ratesdale hee coulde not haue light vppon a worse for not many years before he was proued before my Lord Archbishop as his Grace there testified and my L. Chancelor by his vnseemely and vnreuerent vsage of the Eucharist dealing the bread out of a Basket euery man putting in his hand taking out a peece to haue made many loath the holy Communion and wholy refuse to come to Church his Maiesty aunswered that it was not his purpose and hee durst answere for the Bishops that it was not their intent presently and out of hād to inforce those things without fatherly admonitions conferences and perswasions premised but wished that it should be examined if those men by their paines and preaching had conuerted any from Popery and were withall men quiet of disposition honest of life and diligent in their calling if so letters should be written to the Bishoppe of Chester of whome his Maiestie gaue a very good testimony to that purpose if not but that they were of a turbulent and opposite spirite both they and others of that vnquiet humor should presently be enforced to a conformity and so for that point it was concluded that my Lord Archbishop should write to the Bishop of Chester his letters for that matter My Lord of London replyeth that if this were graunted the copy of these letters especially if his Maiestie had writtē as at first it was purposed would flye ouer al England and then other for their confines would make the same request and so no fruite should follow of this Conference but thinges would bee worse then they were before Therefore he humbly desired his Maiesty that a time shoulde bee limited vvithin vvhich compasse they should conforme themselues To vvhich his Maiestie readily assented willed that the Bishoppe of the Diocesse should set them dovvne the time and

Rubrike of Priuate Baptisme which leaues it indifferently to all Laikes or Clergie the wordes Curate or lawfull Minister might not bee inserted which was not so much stuck at by the Bishops And so his Maiestie proceeded to the next point about Excommunication in causes of lesser moment first Whether the name might not be altered and yet the same censure be retained or secōdly whether in place of it another Coercion equiualent thereunto might not bee inuented and thought of A thing very easily yeelded vnto of all sides because it hath beene long and often desired but could not be obtained from her Maiestie who resolued to be still Semper eadem and to alter nothing which she had once setled And thus the VVednesday succeeding beeing appointed for the exhibiting of their determinations in these points and the Munday next immediately following this present day for the Opponents to bring in their Complaintes wee were dismissed after three houres and more spent which were soone gone so admirably both for vnderstanding speech and iudgment did his Maiestie handle all those points sending vs away not with cōtentment only but astonishment and which is pittifull you will say with shame to vs all that a King brought vp among Puritans not the learnedst men in the world and schooled by them swaying a kingdome full of busines and troubles naturally giuen to much exercise and repast should in points of Diuinity shew himselfe as expedite and perfect as the greatest Schollers and most industrious Students there present might not outstrip him But this one thing I may not omit that his Maiestie should professe howsoeuer he liued among Puritans and was kept for the most part as a Ward vnder them yet since hee was of the age of his Sonne 10. years old he euer disliked their opinions as the Sauiour of the world said Though he liued among them he was not of them Finis Primae diei THE SECOND DAYES Conference ON Munday Ianuary 16. betweene 11. and 12. of the Clocke were the foure Plaintiffes called into the Priuie Chamber the two Bishoppes of London and VVinchester being there before and after them all the Deanes Doctors present which had bin summoned Patr. Galloway somtimes Minister of Perth in Scotland admitted also to be there The Kings maiestie entering the Chamber presētly tooke his Chaire placed as the day before the noble young Prince sitting by vppon a stoole where making a short but a pitthy and sweet speech to the same purpose which the first day hee made vz. of the end of the Conference mee●e to bee had he said by euerie King at his first entrance to the Crowne not to innouate the gouernment presently established which by long experience hee had found accompanied with so singular blessinges of God 45 yeares as that no Church vpon the face of the earth more florished then this of England But first to settle an vniform order through the whole church Secondly to plant vnity for the suppressing of Papistes and enemies to Religion Thirdly to amend abuse as naturall to bodies Politike and to corrupt man as the shadow to the bodie which once being entred hold on as a wheele his motiō once set going And because many grieuous complaints had bene made to him since his first entrance into the land hee thought it best to send for some whom his Maiestie vnderstoode to be the most graue learned and modest of the aggreeued sort whome being there present he was now readie to heare at large what they could obiect or say so willed them to beginne whereupon they 4. kneeling downe D. Reynalds the Foreman after a short Preamble gratulatorie and signifying his Maiesties Summons by vertue whereof they then and there appeared reduced all matters disliked or questioned to these 4. heades 1. That the Doctrine of the Church might be preserued in puritie according to Gods word 2. That good Pastors might be planted in all Churches to preach the same 3. That the Church gouernment might be sincerely ministred according to Gods word 4. That the Booke of Common Prayer might be fitted to more increase of pietie For the first he moued his Maiestie that the Booke of Articles of Religion concluded 1562. might bee explaned in places obscure and enlarged where some thinges were defectiue For example whereas Art 16. the wordes are these After we haue receiued the holy Ghost we may depart from Grace Notwithstanding the meaning be sound yet he desired that because they may seeme to be cōtrary to the doctrine of Gods Predestination election in the 17. Article both those wordes might be explaned with this or the like addition yet neither totally nor finally and also that the nine assertions Orthodoxall as he termed them concluded vpon at Lambeth might be inserted into that Booke of Articles Secondly where it is said in the 23. Article that it is not lawfull for any man to take vpon him the office of Preaching or administring the Sacraments in the congregation before hee bee lawfully called D. Rey. tooke exception to these wordes In the Congregation as implying a lawfulnes for any man whosoeuer out of the Congregation to preach and administer the Sacraments though he had no lawfull calling thereunto Thirdly in the 25. Article these words touching Confirmation growne partly of the corrupt following the Apostles beeing opposite to those in the Collect of Confirmation in the Communion Booke vpon whome after the exāple of the Apostles argue saith he a contrarietie each to other the first confessing Confirmation to be a depraued imitation of the Apostles the second grounding it vpon their example Act. 8. 19. as if the Bishop in Confirming of Children did by imposing his handes as the Apostles in those places giue the visible graces of the holy ghost therfore he desired that both the contradiction might be considered and this ground of Confirmation examined Thus farre Doctor Reyn. went on without any interruption but here as hee was proceeding the Bishoppe of London much moued to heare these men who some of them the Euening before and the same morning had made semblance of ioyning with the Bishops and that they sought for nothing but vnitie now strike to ouerthrowe if they could all at once cut him off and kneeling downe most humbly desired his Maiestie first That the aunciēt Canon might be remēbred which saith that Schismatici contra Episcopos non sunt audiendi Secondly that if any of these parties were in the number of the 1000. Ministers who had once subscribed to the Communion Booke and yet had lately exhibited a Petition to his Maiestie against it they might be remoued and not heard according to the Decree of a verie auncient Councell prouiding that no man should be admitted to speake against that whereunto he bad formerly subscribed Thirdly he put D. Reynoldes and his Associates in minde how much they were bound to his Maiesties exceeding great clemencie in that they were permitted contrary

complained of and that none except it vvere such as D. Reyn. who were supposed would confute them had libertie by authoritie to buy them Againe such books came into the Realme by many secret conueyances so that there could not bee a perfect notice had of their importation Secondly to the particular instaunce of Ficlerus hee saide that the author De iure c. was a great Disciplinarian whereby it did appeare what aduantage that sorte gaue vnto the Papistes who mutatis personis could apply their owne argumentes against Princes of the Religion but for his owne parte hee saide hee detested both the Author and the Applyer alike My Lord Cecill here taxing also the vnlimited libertie of the dispersing and diuulging these Popish and seditious Pamphletes both in Powles Churchyeard the Vniuersities instanced one lately set forth published namely Speculū Tragicum which both his M tie the L. Henry Howard now Earle of Northampton termed a daungerous booke both for matter intention the Lord Chauncellor also diuiding all such bookes into Latine and English concluded that these last dispersed did most harme yet the Lord Secretarie affirmed that my Lord of London had done therein what might bee for the suppressing of them and that he knewe no man else had done any thing in that kinde but he At length it pleased his excellent Maiestie to tell D. Reyn. that hee was a better Colledge man then a Statesman for if his meaning were to taxe the Bishop of London for suffering those bookes betwixt the Secular Priestes and Iesuites lately published so freely to passe abroad His Maiestie would haue him and his Associates to know and willed them also to acquaint their adherents and friendes abroad therewith that the saide Bishoppe was much iniured and slaundered in that behalfe who did nothing therein but by warrant from the Lordes of the Councell whereby both a Schisme betwixt them was nourished also his Maiesties owne cause and Title handled the Lord Cecill affirming thereunto that therefore they were tolerated because in them was the Title of Spaine confuted The L. Treasurer added that D. Reyn. might haue obserued another vse of those Bookes viz. that now by the testimony of the Priestes themselues her late Maiestie and the State were cleared of that imputation of putting Papistes to death for their consciences onely and for their Religion seeing in those books they themselues confesse that they were executed for treason D. Reyn. excused himselfe expounding his cōplaint not meant of such bookes as had beene printed in England but such as came from beyond the Seas as Commentaries both in Philosophy and diuinitie And these were the partes of the first head concerning puritie of Doctrine Touching Pastors Resident Learned To the second generall point concerning the planting of Ministers learned in euery Parish it pleased his Maiestie to aunswere that hee had consulted with his Bishops about that whome hee found willing and readie to second him in it inueighing herein against the negligence and carelesnesse which hee heard of many in this land but as Subita euacuatio was periculosa so subita mutatio Therefore this matter was not for a present resolution because to appoint to euery Parrish a sufficient Minister were impossible the Vniuersities would not afford them Again he had fouud alreadie that hee had more learned men in this Realme then hee had sufficient maintenance for so that maintenance must first bee prouided and then the other to bee required In the meane time ignorant Ministers if young to be remoued if there were no hope of their amendment if olde their death must bee expected that the next course may bee better supplyed and so concluded this point with a most religious and zealous protestation of doing something dayly in this case because Ierusalem could not be built vp in a day The Bishoppe of Winchester made knowne to the King that this insufficiency of the Cleargie bee it as it is comes not by the Bishops defaultes but partly by Lay Patrones who present very meane men to their Cures wherof in himselfe hee shewed an Instance how that since his being Bishop of Winchester very fewe Maisters of Artes were presented to good Benefices partly by the law of the land which admitteth of very meane and tollerable sufficiēcy in any Clearks so that if the Bishop should not admit them then presently a Quare impedit is sent out against him Here my Lord of London kneeling humbly desired his Maiestie because hee saw as hee saide it was a time of mouing Petitions that hee might haue leaue to make two or three First that there might be amongst vs a Praying Ministerie another while for whereas there are in the Ministerie many excellent duties to be performed as the absoluing of the Penitent Praying for and blessing of the people administring of the Sacraments and the like it is come to that passe now that some sort of men thought it the onely dutie required of a Minister to spend the time in speaking out of a Pulpit sometimes God wot very vndiscreetly and vnlearnedly and this with so great iniury and preiudice to the celebratiō of Diuine seruice that some Ministers would be content to walk in the Churchyeard till Sermon time rather then to be present at publke Prayer He confessed that in a Church new to be planted preaching was most necessarie but among vs now long established in the faith he thought it not the onely necessary dutie to bee performed and the other to be so profanely neglected and contemned VVhich motion his Maiestie liked exceeding well very acutely taxing the hypocrisie of our times which placeth all Religion in the eare through which there is an easy passage but Prayer which expresseth the heartes affection and is the true deuotion of the mindes as a matter putting vs to ouer-much trouble wherin there concurre if prayer be as it ought an vnpartiall consideration of our owne estates a due examination to whome we pray an humble cōfession of our sinnes with an harty sorrow for them and repentance not seuered from faith is accounted and vsed as the least part of Religion The second was that till such time as learned and sufficient men might bee planted in euery Congregation that godly Homilies might be read and the number of thē encreased and that the Opponents would labour to bring them into credite againe as formerly they brought them into contempt Euery man saith hee that can pronounce well cannot indite well The Kinges Maiestie approued this motion especially where the liuing is not sufficient for maintenance of a learned Preacher as also in places where plenty of Sermons are as in the Citie and great Townes In the Countrey villages where Preachers are not neare together hee could wish preaching but where there are a multitude of Sermons there he would haue Homilies to bee read diuerse times and therein hee asked the assent of the Plaintiffes and they confesse it A preaching Ministery

any Then hee desireth that according to certaine Prouincial Constitutions they of the Clergy might haue meetinges once euery three weekes first in Rurall Deanries and therein to haue Prophecying according as the Reuerend Father Archbishoppe Grindal and other Bishops desired of her late Maiestie 2. that such things as could not be resolued vpon there might bee referred to the Archdeacons Uisitation and so 3. from thence to the Episcopall Synode where the Bishoppe with his Presbyteri should determine all such pointes as before could not be decided At which speech his Maiestie was somewhat stirred yet which is admirable in him without passion or shewe thereof thinking that they aymed at a Scottish Presbytery which saith hee as well agreeth with a Monarchy as God and the Diuell Then Iack and Tom and Will and Dick shall meete and at their pleasures censure me and my Councell and all our proceedings Then VVill shall stand vp and say it must bee thus then Dick shall reply and say nay mary but wee will haue it thus And therefore here I must once reiterate my former speech Le Roy s'auisera Stay I pray you for one seauen yeares before you demaunde that of mee and if then you finde mee purseye and fat and my winde pipes stuffed I will perhaps hearken to you for let that gouernment bee once vp I am sure I shall bee kept in breath then shall wee all of vs haue worke enough both our hands full But Doctor Reyn. til you finde that I grow lazy let that alone And here because D. Reyn. had twise before obtruded the Kings Supremacie 1. In the Article concerning the Pope 2. in the point of Subscription his Maiestie at those times saide nothing but now growing to an end he saide I shall speake of one matter more yet somewhat out of order but it skilleth not Doctor Rein. quoth the K. you haue often spoken for my Supremacie and it is well but knowe you any here or any elsewhere who like of the present Gouernement Ecclesiasticall that finde fault or dislike my Supremacie D. Rein. saide no why then saith his Maiestie I will tell you a tale After that the Religion restored by King Edwarde the sixt was soone ouerthrowne by the succession of Queene Marie here in England wee in Scotland felt the effect of it Whereupon Mas. Knoxe writes to the Queene Regent of whome without flattery I may say that she was a vertuous and moderate Lady telling her that she was Supreme head of the Church and charged her as shee would aunswere it before Gods Tribunall to take care of Christ his Euangil and of suppressing the Popish Prelates who vvithstoode the same But how long trovv yee did this continue euen so long till by her authority the popish Bishops were repressed hee himselfe and his adherents vvere brought in and well setled and by these meanes made strong enough to vndertake the matters of Reformation thēselues Then loe they began to make small account of her Supremacy nor vvould longer rest vpon her authoritie but tooke the cause into their ovvne hand according to that more light wherewith they were illuminated made a further reformation of Religion How they vsed that poore Lady my mother is not vnknowne and vvith griefe I may remember it vvho because shee had not beene otherwise instructed did desire only a priuate Chappell vvherein to serue God after her manner with some few selected persons but her Supremacy was not sufficient to obtaine it at their hands And howe they dealt with me in my Minoritie you all know it was not done secretly thogh I would I cannot conceale it I will apply it thus And then putting his hand to his hat his Maiestie saide my Lordes the Bishops I may thanke you that these men doe thus pleade for my Supremacie They thinke they cannot make their party good against you but by appealing vnto it as if you or some that adhere vnto you were not well affected towardes it But if once you were out and they in place I knowe what would become of my Supremacie No Bishop no King as before I sayd Neither doe I thus speake at randon without ground for I haue obserued since my comming into England that some Preachers before me can be content to pray for Iames King of England Scotland Fraunce and Ireland defendor of the faith but as for Supreme Gouernour in all causes and ouerall persons as well Ecclesiasticall as Ciuill they passe that ouer with silence what out they haue beene of I after learned After this asking them if they had any more to obiect and D. Reyn. aunswering Noe his Maiestie appointed the next Wednesday for both parties to meete before him and rising from his Chaire as hee was going to his inner Chamber If this bee all quoth he that they haue to say I shall make thē conforme themselues or I will harrie them out of the land or else do worse And this was the Summe of the second dayes Conference which raised such an admiration in the Lordes in respect of the King his singular readinesse and exact knowledge that one of them sayde hee was fully perswaded his Maiestie spake by the instinct of the spirite of God My L. Cecill acknowledged that very much we are bound to God who had giuen vs a King of an vnderstanding heart My Lord Chancelor passing out of the Priuy-Chamber said vnto the Deane of Chester standing by the dore I haue often hearde and read that Rex est mixta persona cum sacerdote but I neuer saw the truth thereof till this day Surely whosoeuer heard his Maiesty might iustly thinke that title did more properly fitte him which Eunapius gaue to that famous Rhetoritian in saying that he was 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a Liuing Library and a walking Study Finis secundae diei THE THIRD DAYES Conference VPon Wednesday Ianuary 18. all the Bishops afore named attended at the Court and the Deanes who were all called into the Priuie Chamber and who so else my Lord Archbishop appointed for such was his Maiesties pleasure whereuppon the Knightes and Doctors of the Arches viz. Sir Daniel Dunne Sir Thomas Crompton Sir Richard Swale Sir Iohn Bennet and D. Drury entred As soone as the King was set the Lord Archbishoppe presented vnto him a note of those points which his Maiesty had referred to their consideration vpon the first day and the alteration or rather explanation of them in our Liturgie 1. Absolution or Remission of sinnes in the Rubrike of Absolution 2. In priuate Baptisme the lawfull Minister present 3. Examination with Confirmation of Children 4. Iesus sayd to them twise to bee put into the Dominicall Gospels in stead of Iesus sayd to his Disciples His Maiestie here taking the Common Prayer Booke and turning to Priuate Baptisme willed that where the wordes were in the Rubrike the second Paragraph They Baptize not Children Novv it should be thus read They cause not Children to be baptized and

in meane while conferre vvith them and if they vvould not yeeld vvhatsoeuer they vvere to remoue them after their time expired No sooner was that motion ended but downe fals M. Knewstubs and hee requestes the like fauour of forbearance for some honest Ministers in Suffolke telling the K. it vvould make much against their Credites in the Country to be now forced to the Surplis and the Crosse in Baptisme My Lordes Grace was aunswering Nay saith his Maiestie let me alone with him Sir saith the King you shew your selfe an vncharitable man wee haue here taken paines and in the end haue concluded of an vnity and vniformitie and you forsooth must preferre the Credites of a few priuate men before the generall peace of the Church this is iust the Scottish argument for when any thing was there concluded which disliked some humors the onely reason why they would not obey was it stoode not with their credits to yeeld hauing so long beene of the cōtrary opinion I vvill none of that saith the King and therefore eyther let them cōform thēselues that shortly or they shall heare of it My Lord Cecill put his Maiestie in mind of a word his Highnes had vsed the day before namely of Ambuling Communions saying that the indecency thereof vvas very offensiue had driuen many from the Church here M. Chatterton vvas told of sitting Communions in Emanuel Colledge vvhich hee saide vvas so by reason of the seates so placed as they be yet that they had some kneeling also Finally they ioyntly promised to bee quiet and obedient now they knew it to be the Kinges mind to haue it so His Maiesties gracious conclusion was so piercing as that it fetched teares from some on both sides My Lord of London ended all in the name of the vvhole company with a Thankesgiuing vnto God for his Maiestie and a prayer for the health and prosperity of his Highnes our gracious Queene the yong Prince and al their Royall Issue His Maiestie departed into the inner Chamber all the Lordes presently went to the Councell Chamber to appoint Commissioners for the seuerall matters before referred FINIS The Preface MAny Copies were sent me wherof some were so shamelesly vntrue and I assure you so obscaene that I think his Maiestie would haue bene as much offended with me for Printing as with the Authors for dispearsing them I haue chosen three of the best and cleanliest which doe here vnder follow I giue no censure neither know I the Dispearsers let the Reader conferre and iudge Rectum est iudex sui obliqui The first Copie Ianuary 15. 1603. SIr I cannot conceale from you the good successe which it hath pleased God to sende vs by the Conference which his Maiestie had with the Bishops at the court There appeared none but the Bishops which were with the King aboue three houres Can. Lon. Wint. fell downe on their knees and desired that all things might remaine least the Papists should thinke we haue bene in an error The King replied that in 42. yeares corruptions might creep in He spake of cōfirmation priuate Baptisme the Crosse dumbe Ministerie non residence the Courtes which he promised to amēd especially he spake bitterly against priuate Baptisme saying hee had as liue an Ape as a woman should Baptise his childe and against Courtes which hee saide he would put downe The Lo. chiefe Iustice and the Lo. Cecil against Excommunications by Lay-men Maister Deane of the Chappell speaking something to the King in his eare the Bishop of London insolently said vnto him Doctor Mountague speake out that we may heare you and seeke not to crosse vs. At their departure they said that if the King should vse the Ministers in such sort as they were vsed they would be too insolent The King said they were his subiectes and if hee would not heare them then they had iust cause to complaine The Bishops brought foorth many Popish arguments which the King very ernestly answered and learnedly more then tenne times calling them Popish arguments and saide by those reasons they might prooue Popery The Bishop of Winchester saide that if he tooke away priuate Baptisme he ouerthrew all antiquitie The Bishop of Peterbrough brought a foolish argument with much disgrace to himselfe The Bishops haue taken Wednesday to consider of the Kings speech The Ministers came to the King on Munday at nine of the clocke Honest men about the Court are comforted Conformitans hang down their heads and the Bishops men curse the Puritanes sic explicit 1. dies Another Copie I Haue sent you the declaration of the Conference which was in this manner The firste day the Bishoppes mette before his Maiestie Bishops of Canterburie London and Winchester making earnest sute that all things might stand as they did least the Papists should take offence who might say we would perswade them to come to a Church hauing errors in it and the Puritans will say they haue bin persecuted long The King answered that the best state would gather corruptions and that it was no argument for them to say they would not be cured of the pox because they had had it 30. yeares he concluded against absolution confirmation priuate Baptisme the dumbe and scandulous Ministers pluralities the Courtes and the authoritie of Bishoppes by the high Commissisners c. The second day the Ministers were conuented before the King who answered fearefully modestly the Bishop of Lon. behaued himselfe insolently saying these are Cartwrightes Schollers Scismatikes breakers of your Maiesties lawes you may know thē by their Turkie gownes and silke Turky Grogorum The third day they met all where the King spake much to vnitie that they might ioyne against the Papists All the three dayes the King behaued himselfe admirable to the beholders graunting to the Ministers their earnest request that the Ceremonies of the Crosse in Baptisme and the Surplises reuerent for antiquitie should not be vrged vpon the consciences of the Ministers so that they were peaceable mē and that they should haue time to consider of them many hundreds being resolued rather to haue lost their places then to haue yeelded to those superstitions against which they had Preached The last day the Bishop of Cant. was intreated to be a meanes that the ceremonies might not be pressed but he answered they had bene vrged as necessary and should be so still But it pleased God to moue his Maiestie to a more peaceable course the Bishop of Peter-borow came in with his argument about Baptisme which the King made voide to his great reproach The King saide many times that the Bishoppes reasons were popish and that they might establish Poperie by them it is thought that the King will be shortly in Huntingtonshire The Lord Chancellor the Lord Cecil the Lord chiefe Iustice and the Atturnie Generall must set downe some course for the high Commission and the Spirituall Courts A third Copie Some of the speeches that are bruited vpon Maister Doctor Reynoldes returne to Oxen. concerning the late Conference before his Maiestie 1 THat the Kinges Maiestie did gratifie Maister Doctor Reynoldes in euery thing which he proposed or that Doctor Reynoldes obtained and preuailed in euerie thing he did desire 2 That if anie man reporte the contrarie hee doth lye or that they should giue him the lye from Maister Doctor Reynoldes 3 That these thinges now obtained by the reformers were but the beginning of reformation the greater matters were yet to come 4 That my Lord of Winton stoode mute and said little or nothing 5 That my Lord of London called Doctor Reynoldes Schismatick indeede he thankes him for it but otherwise said little to purpose 6 That the Kings Maiestie vsed the Bishops with very hard words but imbraced maister Doctor Reynolds and vsed most kind speeches to him 7 That my Lo. of Canterbury or my Lo. of London falling on his knees besought his Maiestie to take their cause into his owne handes and to make some good end of it such as might stand with their credite Archiep. Can tuar 2 Deanes of Ep. Londl Christchur VVinchest VVindsor Archdeac Nottinghā and mine owne Prou. 30 1● 13. 14 Pro. 25. 11 Iohn 1. 5. 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 2 1 2 3 4 1 1 2 3 2 3 4 1. Cor. 14. Act. 21. Other Copies haue the Bishop of Winchester