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A94296 Of religious assemblies, and the publick service of God a discourse according to apostolicall rule and practice. / By Herbert Thorndike. Thorndike, Herbert, 1598-1672. 1642 (1642) Wing T1054; Thomason E1098_1; ESTC R22419 207,469 444

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which were converted and the conversion of those which were not Thus were Timotheus and Titus placed over the Churches of Asia and Crete just upon the time when he made account to see them no more Thus was Mark attendant on Peter at writing his first Epistle v. 13. who was afterward as all agree seated by him at Alexandria and did the office of an Evangelist there Clemens and Linus companions of the Apostles All Antiquity agreeth were placed by them over the Church at Rome though in what rank and condition it agreeth not The words of Theodoret are remarkable where he answereth the question Why S. Paul writ Epistles to Timotheus and Titus none to Silas or the rest of his fellows 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And we say saith he that he had already p●● Churches in the hands of these the rest he had with him What meaneth the Apostles instructions concerning the perpetuall government of those Churches if they had nothing to do but to plant Presbyteries there and away S. Paul sendeth for Timotheus to Rome 2. Tim. iiii 9. as for Titus to Nicopolis iii. 12. who was also with him at Rome and went thence to Dalmatia 2. Tim. iiii 10. But did he mean that his instructions should be void thenceforth or be practiced at Ephesus and in Crete afterwards We cannot discredit Antiquity that maketh them Bishops there without offering violence to the tenour of the Scriptures that inforceth it But how is Titus counted Bishop of a Church that is instructed to plant Presbyteries through the cities of Crete i. 3. all under his own government and oversight or how is Timotheus Bishop of one Church of Ephesus that is instructed to govern as well as to plant all the Presbyteries whereof the Apostle writeth for all those Presbyteries import Episcopall Churches No otherwise then the Apostle had his Chair in all the Churches of his planting according to Tertullian The Apostles could not settle all things in the intended form at the beginning So farre there is no fault in Epiphanius his words Not because they knew not what to do but for reasons best known to themselves because perhaps they might find it more to the purpose to put into the hands of their own Disciples those Churches on which depended the planting and government of many more then to set men untried over the Presbyteries of particular Churches Is S. Mark Bishop of Alexandria the lesse because he preached the Gospel through the Countrey under it because he planted the government of Churches perhaps under his own oversight for the time Or what inconvenience is it that S. James an Apostle should be deputed by consent of the Apostles to exercise that office in the parts of Palestine and Arabia alwayes with resort to his residence at the Mother Church of Jerusalem or that he should therefore be counted Bishop of it In due time even during the age of the Apostles severall Churches had their severall Bishops as appeareth by the Angels of the seven Churches of Asia which from the beginning were in the compasse of Timothies charge At first all Presbyters were Angels of Churches according to the Apostle 1. Cor. xi For this cause ought a woman to have power upon her head because of the Angels That seemeth the most naturall meaning of his words for Tertullian in divers places of his book De Velandis Virginibus intimateth one reason of vailing womens faces in the Church from the scandall of their countenances when Bishops came over them no marvel if they alone were called the Angels of those Churches For it is acknowledged that all Presbyters are called Bishops under the Apostles But when severall Heads were set over severall Churches then Heads of Presbyteries were onely Bishops thenceforth Those that would have us take those Angels of Churches for the Churches of those Angels rather then believe that Epistles concerning those Churches were fit to be addressed to their Bishops might have corrected their mistake out of the Scripture that saith Revel i. 20. The seven Starres are the Angels of the seven Churches and the seven Candlesticks are the seven Churches S. Ambrose or whosoever writ those Commentaries upon 1. Cor. xii 28. saith two things First the Apostles spoken of there are Bishops to wit in the then state of the Church Then having compared the Apostles with Prophets he concludeth Et quia ab uno Deo Patre sunt omnia idcirco singulos Episcopos singulis Ecclesiis praeesse decrevit And because all things are from one Father God therefore he decreed that severall Bishops should be over severall Churches In these two particulars he speaketh my whole meaning The Apostles were Bishops but not severall ones of severall Churches But as there is one God over all so he decreed saith he that afterwards severall Bishops should be over severall Churches In the mean time the rights reserved to great Churches over the lesse which now we see derived with so much learning from the times of the Apostles is the print which remaineth of that Government and oversight of them which at the first rested in those great Churches from which they were propagated by the Apostles or by their companions Walo Messalinus standeth stiff upon S. Hieromes opinion that there were no Bishops till they were appointed by the Church to extinguish the schismes of Presbyteries But Tertullians words inforce more That the Bishops of his time sate in those Chairs which the Apostles possessed for theirs And afore C. xxxii Sicut Smyrnaeorum Ecclesia Polycarpum ab Joanne CONLOCATUM refert As the Church at Smyrna relateth that John PLACED Polycarpus or Installed him to wit in the Bishops Chair there He thinketh that all this importeth that Polycarpus took place of the rest of the Presbyters and no more But indifferent reason will require him to grant no more superiority of Bishops then the Chair of the Apostles importeth However S. Hierome reconcile his opinion with his own words concerning the Presbyters of Alexandria that from S. Marks time were wont to take one of their number and place him on a higher step and call him Bishop of Alexandria common sense will inforce the high rank in which he sate to import the superiority and eminence of his office even during the Apostles time The consideration of this Order or this Bench of the Church shall give me further occasion to resume and averre two particulars of good consequence in this businesse The first the Extent of the Office common to the Bishop and Presbyters as for preaching and celebrating the Sacraments so for the oversight and government of the Church in those Spirituall matters wherein as members of the Church men communicate expressed in all places of the Scripture wherein there is any remembrance of their Charge Survaying those passages of the Acts and Epistles of the Apostles in which the office of Presbyters is remembred we find it every where described as well by the oversight or
he should be much mis●aken that should so understand it but taking up controversies within the Church after ●his course And all to this purpose that on ●he Lords day they might communicate ●hat they might give and receive the kisse of peace that when the Deacon pronounced 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Let no man ●ave a quarrell or suspicion against any they might neverthelesse draw near Such was ●he beginning of the externall Jurisdiction of ●he Church by which it may be judged whether it were first bestowed by the indulgence of Christian Princes or by them con●inued upon the practice of the Church be●ore the Empire was Christian But of this we speak not here as not concerning the Government of the Church in Spirituall ●atters wherein as members of the Church we communicate That standeth indeed and ●ometh to effect by the free consent of members of it so farre as Religion is not the Law of that Kingdome or Commonwealth ● which it flourisheth Because our Lord ●●dued not the Ministers of his Kingdome with that power to constrain obedience ●hich himself used not upon earth But as ●he Laws of Kingdomes and Common-●ealths inforce the Execution and outward ●ffect of Ministeries instituted in the Scri●tures in this respect not the power of excommunicating alone but of preaching and ministring the Sacraments and whatsoeve● else belongeth to the Office is derived from the Common-wealth that is in our particular from the Imperiall Crown of this Kingdome because it is exercised with effec● outwardly that is of doing the work though not of producing the inward end and purpose of converting the soul by Laws inforced by it The like is to be said of all tha● is done in deputing those that receive any Order in the Church to the exercise of any part of that function which the Order received importeth The right and charge o● it must rest upon those Ministeries that an● incharged with the oversight and government of such matters according to the Scriptures and by whom it must be exercised were the Common-wealth not Christian● But the power that inforceth the effect o● that which they do in this and all parts o● their Office is derived from the Secular Arm of the Common-wealth that cherisheth th● Church in the bosome of it As for Excommunication by Judges Delegate or High-Commissioners that is by men not of thes● Orders First it proceedeth upon Rules directed by the Church and then the course o● it is not so agreeable to the tenour of Scripture as to the necessities of the Kingdome For that is here to be averred again that th● Presbyteries whereof we speak are differenced from the rest of the people as Benches composed of none but persons Ordained by Imposition of hands for the purpose of Teaching the people and Ordering and Governing Spirituall matters So you have the Office described in all places where there is remembrance of it in the Scriptures Onely in the words of the Apostle 1. Tim. v. 17. Let the Elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour especially those that labour in the Word and Doctrine it is imagined that two kinds of Presbyters as well as two parts of their Office are expressed one of Ministers of the Church another of the people one perpetuall the other ambulatory for their time both alike interessed in the Government of the Church the Office of Preaching charged upon the one How little of this is set down in the words of the Apostle were the sense of them that which is pretended let all the world judge yet this is the state of that discipline which hath been pressed as one of the essentiall marks of avisible Church But the purpose is now to satisfie that which hath been alledged from the collections of Justellus upon the Africane Canons to make good this pretended meaning of the Apostle and that from the Apostles own words He hath there produced out of Church-writers of the age of S. Augustine and Optatus or underneath much remembrance of certain Persons styled in those Writers Seniores Ecclesiarum Elders of Churches As in S. Augustine cont Cresc iii. 56. Clerici Seniores Cirthensium Epist 136. Peregrinus Presbyter Seniores Ecclesiae Musticanae regionis in Ep. Conc. Cabarsussitani apud S. Aug. in Psal 36. Seniores Ecclesiae Carthaginensis and to these persons are ascribed certain Acts retaining at least to the Government of those Churches As The Church goods are deposited in their hands Optatus lib. i. They reprove a drunkard August Serm. xix De verbis Domini They are present at an Ecclesiasticall Judgement Greg. l. xi Ep. 19. The Elders of the Church at Carthage solicite the sentencing of their Bishops cause Epist Concil Cabarsussitani apud August in Psal 36. these and more particulars produced by Justellus Out of Origen iiii cont Celsum that the Church had certain of the people to inform them of scandalous offenses whereupon they might proceed to reproof or censure But observe first the style of the Apostle 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 1. Tim. 5. 17. and Heb. xiii 17. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 agreeing with that of Tertullian Apolog. cap. 39. PRAESIDENT probati quique Seniores and of Firmilianus Ep. lxxv Cypr. In qua PRAESIDENT majores natu and Ignatius afore 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 All expressing the first rank of the Church in which after the Bishop they put the Presbyters Compare herewith the rank in which we see these Elders of the people in the time of Optatus and S. Augustine placed in these writings from whence the remembrance of them is alledged In Actis Purgat Caecil Felicis Episcopi Presbyteri Diaconi Seniores August iii. cont Cresc 56. Clerici Seniores Cirthensium and then let common sense judge whether these that stand in rank and style behind all degrees of the Clergie be the men that the Apostle placeth in the head of the Church as Rulers of it or how those that governed the Church can come behind Deacons and inferiour Ranks whom they governed The truth is in that age when the Latine tongue began to decay and corrupt they are called Seniores in the Authours alledged by Justellus in the same sense as now in the Vulgar Languages into which the Latine is changed Signori or Scigneurs And therefore there is remembrance of Seniores locorum Seniores regni Childeberti out of Gregory of Tours as well as Seniores Ecclesiae signifying the Aldermen of Commonalties and Lords of the Kingdome as well as the Chief persons of such or such a people that acknowledged the Christian Faith at such time as all were not Christians but Churches and Commonalties in which they subsisted made bodies distinct in persons as well as in nights In that regard it seemeth they are called sometimes Viri Ecclesiastici Ecclesiasticall persons that is belonging to the Church because there were others of like rank which being Heathen belonged not to it rather then for any settled charge in these
injunction was ceased If then such Ordinances and Customes as are allowed and injoyned by the Apostles themselves are with right abolished because the reason of them is ceased much more those which were taken up at the beginning upon humane appointment of the Church may cease when the reason of that good appeareth not and must cease when evil consequences which they draw into the Church at their heels begin to appear This is that which justifieth the Reformation which we professe wherein some observances in the Church as ancient as there is remembrance in it of things used since the time of the Apostles are perhaps abolished by Law or disused by Custome the remembrance of the dead at the Celebration of the Eucharist for example The reason of edification of the Church by the comfort which it receiveth at the Communion professed with the deceased not being now required in particular by them which presume of it in all that dye in the Faith and the abuses which it hath trained in after it appearing unsufferable But all this being granted the consideration of the Primitive Church and the President of it to my understanding prescribeth two things The first is generall as it is a Church and all Churches make one Church by acknowledging and maintaining Union and Communion with the Churches that have been in other ages as well as with the Churches that are in other Countreys we are obliged not to disclaim not to renounce it but to maintain our selves alwayes of Communion with it without substantiall difference of belief or practice The Donatists in old time as S. Augustine chargeth fell foul upon the Article of the Catholick Church because they acknowledged no Church but their own but thought it had failed in all other Countreys by communicating with the Church of Africk from which they had separated themselves Much more foul must he needs fall upon that Article that thinketh the Church perished almost as soon as it was instituted and proceedeth in his practice as obliged to renounce that which was in the first ages To maintain this Communion it is not requisite we commend but it is necessary we tolerate all that was then in practice though we believe some things may be mended at this time we must not believe any thing was pernicious at that time This indeed in the height concerneth them which separate from this Church Let them advise upon what terms they renounce that Church which communicateth with the Primitive Church with which all Churches are bound to hold correspondence but in a lower degree concerneth all those that think they cannot detest the corruptions of the Church of Rome enough till they involve the Primitive Church and whatsoever is done upon the President of it in the same imputations which stick upon it which is out of indiscreet zeal to our own cause to prevaricate against it and for the blindnesse of the love we bear it to oversee the advantages of it For what greater pleasure can we do the Church of Rome then to quit them the Ancient Church as their clear advantage Or what greater scandall can we fasten upon the Reformation which we love then to make every thing we like not a mark of Antichrist for which we hold our selves bound to separate which if we should do upon no other matters then those which some men will have to be such then were we as true schismaticks as they of the Church of Rome would have us The second is an advantage more particular to the point we are in hand with As it was the Church Primitive near the fountain and resented that fire the Holy Ghost had inspired so late that which discourse of reason concludeth to be for the Edification of the Church in the Service of God must needs appear more reasonable if it were then in practice Were the question about matters difficult and obscure in the meaning of the Scriptures knowledge goeth along with gray hairs and it is to be believed that the Church may improve in it as in time But whereas it was said afore that we are to use our common reason in judging what is for the Edification of the Church in the Order of Publick Service it is not to be thought that these are matters that require so much depth of understanding as they do uprightnesse of disposition to give sentence without inclination or prejudice I say then that when the coast was clear of partialities the matters in hand not controverted on any side the Church bent more to act in the Service of God then to dispute about it the practice of that time may be a way too steep for us to tread but sure it is straight to direct us We must not slight those Orders which directed them to make the Service of God their earnest businesse because the Church of Rome hath made it a formall imployment to passe the time over with If in weeding this Garden of Gods Church we pluck up wholesome Ordinances with the abuses which have been pinned to them well may men devise Laws for a good fense but not to much purpose when Religion is not suffered to grow within the Pale That noble and learned Du Plessis thought it a great advantage to the cause he undertook against the Masse if he could demonstrate the Form of Service used in the Reformed Churches of France to be more agreeable to that of the Primitive Church then that of the Masse-book of Rome This he thought worth his pains to undertake and if we regard the substance of Publick Service may well be thought to have performed it I am yet in a more generall point concerning the Order of Publick Service but I shall think it advantage enough to the cause in which I deal to shew the points questioned in this Order to be of more Ancient Practice in the Church then the corruptions of the Church of Rome for which we leave it And when I come anon to survay the particular Form of Service which this Church useth let men of learning judge what is nearer to the Primitive then both but thereupon I must take leave to conclude That this Church is not to forsake the Primitive to conform to other Reformed Churches where the Order in force hath both the President of so Ancient Practice and the reason of Edification to commend it Now the difference between this State of the Church incorporate into the bodies of Kingdomes and Common-wealths and the Primitive when it was either tolerated or persecuted under the Romane Empire is to be seen in the Apostles fishing after the Resurrection of Christ John xxii 11. Though there were taken 153. great fishes yet the Net brake not For the multitude of believers were of one heart and one soul Acts iiii 32. They came out of good will into the Net of the Apostles and out of good will they applied themselves to the Orders wherein they were directed by them and their successours not able to constrain