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6._o v._n 20._o p._n 44._o 2_o tim._n cap._n 1._o v._n 14._o p._n 44._o c._n 6._o v._n 16._o p._n 72._o hebr._n cap._n 5._o v._n 12._o p._n 125._o c._n 9_o v._n 12._o p._n 199._o c._n 11._o v._n 6._o p._n 28_o 236._o c._n 11._o v._n 1._o p._n 56_o 68_o c._n 12._o v._n 9_o p._n 103._o c._n 13._o v._n 17._o p._n 168._o s._n james_n cap._n 1._o v._n 20._o p._n 99_o 1_o s._n peter_n cap._n 5._o v._n 3._o p._n 59_o 2_o s._n peter_n cap._n 1._o v._n 16._o p._n 73._o 1_o s._n john_n cap._n 4._o v._n 2._o p._n 28._o c._n 2._o v._n 19_o p._n 105._o s._n judas_n v._o 3._o p._n 46._o p._n 218._o apocal._n cap._n 12._o v._n 1._o p._n 136._o finis_fw-la finis_fw-la may_v 24._o 1622._o 1622._o one_o of_o these_o biasses_n be_v a_o aversion_n from_o all_o such_o truth_n as_o fit_v not_o our_o ends._n and_o aversus_fw-la à _fw-la veritatis_fw-la luce_fw-fr ab_fw-la hoc_fw-la luci_fw-la veritatis_fw-la adversus_fw-la fit_a etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n l._n 2._o cont_n adversarium_fw-la legis_fw-la &_o prophet_n and_o it_o be_v a_o easy_a transition_n for_o a_o man_n that_o be_v averse_a from_o to_o become_v adverse_a to_o the_o truth_n truth_n in_o the_o epistle_n to_o the_o reader_n reader_n ibid._n ibid._n these_o word_n be_v in_o my_o former_a epistle_n and_o a._n c._n check_n at_o they_o in_o defence_n of_o the_o jesuit_n and_o say_v that_o the_o jesuit_n do_v not_o at_o all_o so_o much_o as_o in_o speech_n and_o much_o less_o in_o paper_n publish_v this_o or_o either_o of_o the_o other_o two_o conference_n with_o dr._n white_a till_o he_o be_v force_v unto_o it_o by_o false_a report_n give_v out_o to_o his_o private_a disgrace_n and_o the_o prejudice_n of_o the_o catholic_a cause_n nor_o then_o do_v he_o spread_v paper_n abroad_o but_o only_o deliver_v a_o very_a few_o copy_n to_o special_a friend_n and_o this_o not_o with_o a_o intent_n to_o calumniate_v the_o bishop_n etc._n etc._n a._n c._n in_o his_o preface_n before_o his_o relation_n of_o this_o conference_n true_o i_o 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too_o the_o more_o special_a friend_n they_o be_v to_o he_o the_o less_o indifferent_a will_v they_o be_v to_o i_o perhaps_o my_o more_o special_a enemy_n yea_o but_o all_o this_o be_v without_o a_o intent_n to_o calumniate_v i_o well_o be_v that_o so_o too_o but_o if_o i_o be_v calumniate_v thereby_o his_o intention_n will_v not_o help_v it_o and_o whether_o the_o copy_n which_o he_o deliver_v have_v not_o in_o they_o calumny_n against_o i_o i_o leave_v to_o the_o indifferent_a reader_n of_o this_o discourse_n to_o judge_v psal._n 50._o 19_o 20._o 20._o s._n aug._n s_o 〈…〉_z 63._o de_fw-fr diversis_fw-la c._n 10._o he_o speak_v of_o christ_n dispute_v in_o the_o temple_n with_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o jew_n and_o they_o hear_v christ_n the_o essential_a word_n of_o the_o father_n with_o admiration_n to_o astonishment_n yet_o believe_v he_o not_o s._n luk._n 2._o 47._o and_o the_o word_n then_o speak_v to_o thâ—â—_n by_o a_o mean_v they_o think_v not_o of_o namely_o per_fw-la fâ—lâ—um_fw-la deâ—_n in_o pvero_fw-la by_o the_o son_n of_o god_n himself_o under_o the_o veil_n of_o our_o human_a nature_n a._n c._n p._n 67._o 67._o preface_n to_o the_o relation_n of_o this_o conference_n by_o a._n c._n c._n and_o s._n aug._n be_v very_o full_a against_o the_o use_n of_o mala_n retid_v unlawful_a net_n and_o say_v the_o fisherman_n themselves_o have_v great_a cause_n to_o take_v heed_n of_o they_o s._n aug._n l._n de_fw-fr fid_n &_o oper._n c._n 17._o rom._n 3._o 8._o 1_o cor._n 9_o 16._o judg._n 5._o 23._o judg._n 17._o 6._o psal._n 118._o 12._o 12._o apum_fw-la similitudine_fw-la ardorem_fw-la notat_fw-la vesanum_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la enim_fw-la in_o illis_fw-la multum_fw-la roboris_fw-la sed_fw-la mira_fw-la excandescentia_fw-la calv_n in_o psal._n 118._o revel_v 22._o 12._o 12._o gen._n 15._o 1._o rom._n 8._o 18._o 18._o there_o be_v no_o other_o difference_n between_o we_o and_o rome_n than_o betwixt_o a_o church_n miserable_o corrupt_v and_o happy_o purge_v etc._n etc._n jos._n hall_n b._n of_o exon._n in_o his_o apologetical_a advertisement_n to_o the_o reader_n p._n 192._o approve_a by_o tho._n morton_n b._n then_o of_o cou._n &_o lich._n now_o of_o dâ—resm_n in_o the_o letter_n print_v by_o the_o b._n of_o exâ—ter_n in_o this_o treatise_n call_v the_o recoâ—scileâ—_n p._n 68_o and_o d._n field_n in_o this_o appen_n to_o the_o three_o part_n c._n 2._o where_o he_o cite_v calv._n to_o the_o saâ—â—t_a purpose_n l._n 4._o inst._n c._n 2._o â—_o 11._o 11._o s._n matth._n 15._o 14._o phil._n 2._o 21._o 21._o s._n aâ—g_n epist._n 48._o s._n jud._n 3._o 3._o 1_o s._n pet._n 3._o 15._o 15._o 1_o cor._n 10._o 15._o 15._o quis_fw-la non_fw-la sine_fw-la ullo_fw-la magistro_fw-la aut_fw-la interpret_v ex_fw-la se_fw-la facilè_fw-la cognoscat_fw-la etc._n etc._n novat_fw-la de_fw-fr trin._n c._n 23._o et_fw-la loquor_fw-la de_fw-fr mysterio_fw-la passionis_fw-la christ_n dijudicare_fw-la est_fw-la mensurare_fw-la etc._n etc._n unde_fw-la &_o mens_fw-la dicitur_fw-la à _fw-la metiendo_fw-la tho._n p._n 1._o q._n 79._o à _fw-la 9_o ad_fw-la 4._o to_o what_o end_n then_o be_v a_o mind_n and_o a_o understanding_n give_v a_o man_n if_o he_o may_v not_o apply_v it_o to_o measure_v truth_n et_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i._o ab_fw-la to_o quod_fw-la considerate_a &_o discernit_fw-la quia_fw-la decernit_fw-la inter_fw-la verum_fw-la &_o salsum_fw-la damase_v l._n 2._o fid._n orth._n c._n 22._o and_o a._n c._n himself_o p._n 41._o deny_v not_o all_o judgement_n to_o private_a man_n but_o say_v they_o be_v not_o so_o to_o rely_v absolute_o upon_o their_o private_a judgement_n as_o to_o adventure_v salvation_n upon_o it_o alone_o or_o chief_o which_o no_o man_n will_v deny_v a._n c._n p._n 42._o 42._o veritas_fw-la uincat_fw-la necesse_fw-la est_fw-la sive_fw-la negantem_fw-la sive_fw-la conâ—itentem_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n epist._n 174._o occultari_fw-la potest_fw-la ad_fw-la tempus_fw-la veritas_fw-la vinci_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la s._n aug._n in_o psal._n 61._o 61._o l._n 4._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n cap._n 4._o §._o 1._o romana_fw-la particularis_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la errare_fw-la in_o fide_fw-la fide_fw-la ibid_fw-la §._o 2._o 2._o navigare_fw-la audent_fw-la ad_fw-la petri_n cathedram_fw-la &_o ecclesiam_fw-la principalem_fw-la etc._n etc._n nec_fw-la cogitare_fw-la eos_fw-la esse_fw-la romanos_fw-la ad_fw-la quos_fw-la persidia_fw-la habere_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la accessum_fw-la cyprian_a l._n 1._o epist._n 3._o 3._o bin._n council_n tom._n 1._o p._n 152._o edit_fw-la paris_n 1636._o baron_fw-fr annal._n 253_o 254_o 255._o 255._o rom._n 1._o 8._o 8._o ego_fw-la tibi_fw-la istam_fw-la scelestam_fw-la scelus_fw-la linguam_fw-la abscindam_fw-la plaut_n amphit_n exit_fw-la hac_fw-la enim_fw-la parte_fw-la pudor_fw-la pugnat_fw-la illinc_fw-la petulantia_fw-la etc._n etc._n cic._n latuit_fw-la plebeio_fw-la tectus_fw-la amictu_fw-la omnis_fw-la honos_fw-la nullos_fw-la comitata_fw-la est_fw-la purpura_fw-la fasces_fw-la lucan_n l._n 2._o 2._o nec_fw-la cogitare_fw-la eos_fw-la esse_fw-la romanos_fw-la quorum_fw-la fides_fw-la apostolo_n praedicante_fw-la &c_n &c_n &c_n epist._n 67._o 67._o for_o so_o s._n cyprian_n begin_v his_o epistle_n to_o cornelius_n legi_fw-la literas_fw-la tuas_fw-la frater_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o after_o sed_fw-la enim_fw-la lectâ_fw-la alia_fw-la epistolâ_fw-la tuâ_fw-la frater_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n cypr._n l._n 1._o epist._n 3._o 3._o stephanus_n frater_fw-la noster_fw-la haereticorum_fw-la causam_fw-la contra_fw-la christianos_n &_o contra_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la dei_fw-la asserere_fw-la conatur_fw-la cypr._n ad_fw-la pompeium_n contra_fw-la epist._n stephani_fw-la edit_fw-la per_fw-la erasmum_fw-la basil_n p._n 327._o 327._o stephani_fw-la fratris_fw-la nostri_fw-la obstinatio_fw-la dura_fw-la ibid._n p._n 329._o and_o it_o will_v be_v mark_v by_o the_o jesuit_n and_o his_o a._n c._n that_o still_o it_o be_v stephani_fw-la fratris_fw-la nostri_fw-la and_o not_o capitis_fw-la or_o summi_fw-la
say_v express_o 15._o though_o israel_n transgress_v yet_o let_v not_o judah_n sin_n and_o s._n hierome_n ibid._n expound_v it_o of_o this_o very_a particular_a sin_n of_o heresy_n and_o error_n in_o religion_n nor_o can_v you_o say_v that_o 12._o israel_n from_o the_o time_n of_o the_o separation_n be_v not_o a_o a_o church_n for_o there_o be_v true_a prophet_n in_o it_o achaâ—o_fw-la elias_n and_o achabi_fw-la elizaeus_n and_o other_o and_o 18._o thousand_o that_o have_v not_o bow_v knee_n to_o 〈◊〉_d and_o there_o be_v salvation_n for_o these_o which_o can_v be_v in_o the_o ordinary_a way_n where_o there_o be_v no_o church_n and_o god_n threaten_v 17._o to_o cast_v they_o away_o to_o wander_v among_o the_o nation_n and_o be_v no_o congregation_n no_o church_n therefore_o he_o have_v not_o yet_o cast_v they_o away_o in_o non_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la into_o no-church_n and_o they_o be_v express_o call_v the_o people_n of_o the_o lord_n in_o 6._o 〈◊〉_d time_n and_o so_o continue_v long_o 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truth_n which_o be_v not_o then_o catholike_o admit_v in_o the_o church_n namely_o the_o procession_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n from_o the_o son_n if_o she_o err_v in_o this_o fact_n confess_v her_o error_n if_o she_o err_v not_o why_o may_v not_o another_o particular_a church_n do_v as_o she_o do_v a_o learned_a school-man_n of_o you_o say_v she_o may_v 9_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n need_v not_o to_o call_v the_o grecian_n to_o agree_v upon_o this_o truth_n since_o the_o authority_n of_o publish_v it_o be_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n especial_o since_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o every_o particular_a church_n to_o promulgate_v that_o which_o be_v catholic_a nor_o can_v you_o say_v he_o mean_v catholic_a as_o fore-determine_a by_o the_o church_n in_o general_a for_o so_o this_o point_n when_o rome_n add_v filioque_fw-la to_o the_o creed_n of_o a_o general_n council_n be_v not_o and_o how_o the_o grecian_n be_v use_v in_o the_o after-councel_n such_o as_o it_o be_v of_o florence_n 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