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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A16910	Demands to be propounded of Catholickes to the heretikes by Richard Bristow ... ; taken partly out of his late English booke of Motiues to the Catholicke faith, partely out of his printed Latin booke of the same matter.	Bristow, Richard, 1538-1581.	1623 (1623)	STC 3801.5; ESTC S1528	47,404	192

Succession And whether our church cannot shew in plaine authenticall writing the continuall Succession of her Bishopes and Pastors with their flockes euer since the Apostles time Or whether the Protestants Church can doe the like Yea whether they can in our Countrey referre them selues any further then to the letters patents of the Prince And whether this haue not bene e Opt. l. 2. f. 15. Hier. in Mic. 1. Aug. in Psa con par Do. nat alwaies vsed as a marke most certaine to knowe the true Church from Schismatikes and Heretikes euen in the f 3. Reg. 12. g. 31. Olde Testament also The 44. Demaund Apostolike Church VHHETHER in the Creede that we in our Masse and they in their Communion do vse this word Apostolicall were or could be put in as a plaine marke to know the Church which we must beleeue but only as it directeth vs to the Church of Rome seeing by experience that all other Apostolicall Churches Trent de praes Har. are now fayled Or whether the Roman Church be not Apostolicall as being the Sea of the two most glorious chiefe Apostles Iren. l. 3. c. 3. Opt l. 2. Aug ep 165. S. Peter and S. Paul Or whether in tyme of schisme and heresy the Fathers in their tymes hauing many Seas Apostolike did not chiefly looke themselues and direct others to the Apostolike Sea of Rome shewing therby that the Truth was theirs because the Bishop of Rome that came of the Apostles by lineall succession was theirs And therfore whether we haue not iust cause to followe their example specially seeing that Sea still hold on and continue as the Fathers said it should to the number now of two hundred and thirtie Bishopes Aug. in ps cont part Don. wheras to those Fathers time there were not fourtie The 45. Demaund Changinge VVHETHER we haue not yet againe iuste cause to keepe vs with the Churche of Rome seeing that the Romanes neuer changed their Faith which a Act. 2. g. 31. Rom. 10 c. 12. 6. 17. 16. c. 19. they receiued of S. Peter S. Paul Which is so plaine that I appeale to the Protestants them selues whether the Romans did not for example Pray for the dead euen then when those Fathers aforesaid did auouch that they were vnchāged yea so wondēring euen thē also at Aerius for denying the same that togeather with all other Churches they condemned him as an Heretike for going about to change that which alwaies vnitll then they had keapte vnchanged as they doe keepe it stil both that all the rest and that by the Protestantes owne confession these thousād or twelue hūdred years Whereby no wise man can doubt but that they remaine also the rest vp to the Apostles time also without change Yea to consider no more but that since Luthers time the Popes haue not changed one iote and that the Heretickes on the other side haue not since then lefte nor do not leaue changing euery daye may to any man of indifferent iudgement seeme a demonstration that the Popes neuer at all did chang And as for one or two amongst all the Popes whom they charge with erring first we deny it for it is most false as the learned Catholikes haue well declared Secondly we say supposing some Popes had erred yet neuer did any Pope goe about to chang the Romans faith with his error Thirdely we say and let the wise consider it well that were it so those Popes did erre also goe aboute to infect the Romans with those errors yet is it not those errors wherewith the Protestantes do now charge the Pope the Romanes And therefore whē they blasphemously burden S. Liberius with Arrianisme or any other with the like they might better holde their peace then so to lie yet their lye nothing at all vnto the purpose The 46. Demaund Our Auncestors saued THEN whether al this while that they cōfesse our church to haue bene at least 12 hundred yeeres they will say that all our and their fathers mothers grād fathers and grandmothers and other Anncestors Kinsefolke Countreimen and all others that haue gonne so long for Christian men Iustin. l. 4. cap. 2 in fine c are all dāned in Hell yea whether Caluine him selfe do not confesse the contrarie that our Church I say serued well the turne all this while to saue men from Hell and to bringe men to Heauen Aske them then why it cannot serue still that turne as wel Or if they say that ignorāce afore did excuse now because of their preaching it cannot aske them why they do confesse that S. Augustine and such like are of all most surely saued who yet had not this ignorance but knew right well their new doctrine as in Aerius Iouinianus Vigilantius c and condēned it for most wicked Heresie And therefore whether it be not wisdome for al men to hold thē still in our chuch or to returne againe vnto it The 47. Demaund Communion of Saintes ALSO whether their church as it neuer was in the world before now so now at theire first appearing haue not cōmitted many most foule absurdities in pinching vp it selfe so narowly into the streightes of one small Countrey that in it one Christian man to another euen in spirituall affaires is a stranger that in it an Ecclesiasticall and Apostolicall power erected by Christ is deemed a foreiner that in it any Generall Councell that euer was or euer can be gathered of the Bishops of other Nations of al christēdom yea or of their owne confederats can take beare or haue no whit of authoritie that in it Epistles directed frō beyond the Sea by S. Paule himselfe if he were aliue such as his Epistles to the Romanes Corinthians c could beare no sway that in it all the Apostles togither writing frō their Synode of Hierusalem as they did to the Antiochians Act. 15. might beare no stroake that in it Christ himselfe without the King and the Parliaments consent might not dispose of his own churches but hold his peace and leaue his medling like a Foreiner as he was vnlesse he would say that he were the naturall King of Englande and displace the lawefull heires of the Kinges afore time because by their saying that headship cannot be separated from the kingshipe being as they say a real naturall and essential parte therof and therfore they shoulde not write the King of Englande Head of the Church of England no not vnder Christ vnlesse they wold write him also King of England vnder Christ. Of many other their absurdities Conf. l. 9 c. 12.24 as that S. Augustine there with our Priestes doeing his request should forfeite an hundred Markes for saying Masse for his Mothers soule c. I here say nothing The 33. Demaund VVhere Christ worketh VVHETHER it be not our Church onely which now and euer is so blessed of God and so embrued with Christes Blood that she hath grace in