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A14614	The copies of certaine letters vvhich haue passed betweene Spaine and England in matter of religion Concerning the generall motiues to the Romane obedience. Betweene Master Iames Wadesworth, a late pensioner of the holy Inquisition in Siuill, and W. Bedell a minister of the Gospell of Iesus Christ in Suffolke.	Wadsworth, James, 1572?-1623.; Bedell, William, 1571-1642. aut; Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656.	1624 (1624)	STC 24925; ESTC S119341	112,807	174

lesser Orders and Subdeaconship according to the Master of the Sentences were instituted by the Church 3. The Deacons instituted by the Apostles Act. 6. were not Deacons of the Altar but of the Tables Widdowes 4. In Deaconship there seemes to be no certain forme for according to the old Pontificals the laying of hands vpon the Deacon hath no certaine forme of words but that prayer Emitte q●aesumus in eos S. Sauctum which according to the new Pontificals is to be said after the imposition of hands For the giuing of the Booke of the Gospels hath indeede a forme of words but that impresseth not the Character for before any Gospell was written the Apostles ordained Deacons by imposition of hands 5. In the Subdeaconship also there is no Pontificall which hath not the matter without forme viz. the deliuery of the emptie Chalice c. These things with more which hee there sets downe he would haue to serue to the instruction of the learned touching the vncertaintie of this whole matter to ●each men to be wise to sobrietie that is euery man to be content with the accustomed Pontificall of the Church wherein he is ordained And if ought be omitted of those things which be added out of the new Pontificals as for example that the Booke of the Epistles was not giuen with those words Take authoritie to reade the Epistles as well for the quicke as the dead there is no neede of supplying this omission by a new ordination for such new additions make no new law Learne then of your owne Caietane that the new additions of deliuery of the Chalice with wine and Paten with Hosts and authoritie to offer sacrifice for the quick and dead make no new Law Learn to be content with the Pontificall of the Church wherein you were ordained Wherein first is verbatim all that which your Pontificals had well taken out of the holy words of our Sauiour Accipe Spiritum Sanctum quorum remisseris peccata remittuntur eis quorum retinueris retenta sunt Which me thinkes you should rather account to containe the essentiall forme of Priesthood then the former both because they are Christs owne words and ioyned with that ceremonie of laying on hands which anciently denominated this whole action and do expresse the worthiest and principallest part of your Commission which the Apostle cals the Ministry of reconciliation 2 Cor. 5. 18. 19. Then because this office is not onely deputed to consecrate the Lords body but also to preach baptize which in your Pontificall is wholly omitted in a larger and more conuenient forme is added out of Saint Paul 1 Cor. 4. 1. and be thou a faithfull dispenser of the word of God and of his holy Sacraments In the name of the Father c. As to that you adde that we offer no sacrifice for the quicke and dead and therefore well may be called Ministers as all lay men are but are no Priests I haue met with sundry that pull this roape as strongly the other way and affirme that because by the very forme of your ordination you are appointed Sacrificers for the quicke and dead well may ye be Masse-Priests as ye are called but Ministers of the New Testament after S. Pauls phrase ye are none For that office stands principally in preaching the word whereof in your ordination there is no word said And as little there is in Scrip●ure of your sacrifice which makes Christ not to be a Priest after the order of Melchisedech c. with much more to this purpose Where my defence for your Ministrie hath beene this that the forme Receiue the holy Ghost whose sinnes ye remit they are remitted c. doth sufficiently comprehend the authoritie of preaching the Gospell Vse you the same equitie toward vs and tell those hot spirits among you that stand so much vpon formalities of words that to be a dispenser of the word of God and his holy Sacraments is all the dutie of Priesthood And to you I adde further that if you consider well the words of the Master of the Sentences which I vouched before how that which is consecrated of the Priest is called a Sacrifice and oblation because it is a memoriall and representation of the true sacrifice and holy offering made on the altar of the Crosse and ioyne there to that of the Apostle that by that one offering Christ hath perfected for euer them that are sanctified and as he saith in another place through that bloud of his Crosse reconciled vnto God all things whether in earth or in heauen you shall perceiue that we do offer sacrifice for the quick and dead remembring representing mystically offering that sole Sacrifice for the quicke and dead by the which all their fins are meritoriously expiated and desiring that by the same wee and all the Church may obtaine remission of sinnes and all other benefits of Christs passion To the Epilogue therefore of this your last motiue I say in short Sith we haue no neede of Subdeaconship more then the Churches in the Apostles times in truth those whom wee call Clerkes and Sextens performe what is necessarie in this behalfe Sith we haue Canonicall Bishops and lawfull succession Sith we neither want due intention to depute men to Ecclesiasticall functions nor matter or forme in giuing Priesthood deriuing from no man or woman the authoritie of ordination but from Christ the head of he Church yee haue alleadged no sufficient cause why we should not haue true Pastors and consequently a true Church in England CHAP. XII Of the Conclusion Master Waddesworths agonies and protestation c. YEt by these you say and many other arguments you were resolued in your vnderstanding to the contrary It may well be that your vnderstanding out of it owne heedlesse haste as that of our first Parents while it was at the perfectest was induced into errour by resoluing too soone out of seeming arguments and granting too forward assent For surely these which you haue mentioned could not conuince it if it would haue taken the paines to examine them throughly or had the patience to giue vnpartiall hearing to the motiues on the other side Bu● as if you triumphed in your owne conquest and captiuitie you adde that which passeth yet all that hitherto you haue set downe viz. That the Church of Rome was and is the onely true Church because it alone is Ancient Catholike and Apostolike hauing succession vnitie and visibilitie in all ages and places Is it onely ancient To omit Hierusalem are not that of Antioch where the Disciples were first called Christians and Alexandria Ephesus Corinth and the rest mentioned in the Scriptures ancient also and of Antioch ancienter then Rome Is it Catholike and Apostolike onely Doe not these and manie more hold the Catholike faith receiued from the Apostles as well as the Church of Rome For that it should be the Vniuersall Church is all one as yee would say the part is the

the Communion of the Ecclesiastical vnity for while he thinks he can separate all from his communion he hath separated himselfe onely from all He taxes him for calling Saint Cyprian a false Christ a false Apostle and a deceitfull workeman which being priuy to himselfe that these were his owne due preuentingly hee obiected to another No maruell if this geare could not passe the Presse at Rome In S. Cyprians Epistle De Vnitate Ecclesiae these words Primatus Petro datur c. after Vnam Cathedram constituit and againe Et Cathedra vna are foisted into the text in that Romane edition In that of Pamelius also besides these another clause is added forsooth out of Gratian and a Copie of the Cambron Abby Qui Cathedram Petri super quam fundata est Ecclesia deserit These patches being all left out the sense is neuerthelesse complete and perfect and for the last which speaks most for the Popes Chaire the Superuisors themselues of the Canon Law by the commandement of Gregory the thirteenth acknowledge that in eight Copies of Cyprian entire in the Vaticane Librarie this sentence is not found but besides these there is one wherein his opuscula alone are contained and another at Saint Sauiours in Bologna in which it is found But what account they make of it appeares by this that supplying the whole sentence in another place of Gratian they leaue it out Wherein as their conscience is to bee commended and Manuti●● his modestie or theirs who surueied that edition that would not follow one Copie against eight so is Pamelius boldnesse to be corrected that out of one and that not fully agreeing with Gratian neither shames not as himselfe sayes veriti non sumus to force in this reading into the text against all the rest printed and manuscript which he vsed aboue twentie in number as he sets them downe in a Catalogue in the beginning of his edition It is now little more then two hundred yeeres agoe that Frier Thomas of Walden wrote against Witcleff He in the second Booke of his first Tome the first Article and second Chapter cites this verie place of Cyprian and cites it to fort●fie Witclefs assertion of his owne minde For hauing recited Witclefs words he concludes them thus Haec ibi and then proceeds Addam●t nos quod Cyprianus dicit omnes Apostolos pares fuisse pote●tate ho●●re Addamus quod Hieronymus dicit super omnes Apostolos ex aequo fortitudo solidatur Ecclesiae c. Yet neither in that Chapter nor in that whole discourse doth he once mention these words now conueied into Cyprian nor any where else that I can find in all his Work though hee cite this Tractate often vnder the name of Liber contra haereticos schismaticos How fit had it beene to answere the obiection out of Cyprian by Cyprian if hee had not found that Gratian after his manner had been too bold or negligent in this passage The same Author in his third Tome De Sacramentalibus Doct. 10. cites a long place out of this same Treatise beginning at those words An esse sibi cum Christo videtur qui aduersum Sace●dotem Christi facit c. Againe Cap. 81. two places one immediately before the sentences charged with those former wordes another after The one beginning Loquitur Dominus ad Petrum Ego tibi dico quia tu es Petrus c. the other Vnitatem tenere ●irmiter vendi●are debemus c. Certainely vnlesse Waldens●s meant by fai●t-pleading to betray the cause hee vndertooke hee would neuer haue omitted so pregnant pass●ges as these be for Peters Primacie and the Popes Chaire had they beene extant in Cyprians worke when hee wrote But wee cannot doubt of his good affection to the See of Rome either for his orders sake o● his dedicating that worke to Pope Marti●e the Fi●th or his approbation of the two first Tomes which hee saith hee caused to bee seene and examined per sollennes viros and testifies of to bee commended of all encouraging him to write the third It remaines therefore that Cyprian hath receiued this garnishment since Waldens time And here with this occasion of his silence about those things which are thrust into Cyprian I will though besides my purpose vse his testimony about a certaine sentence of the Author of the imperfect worke vpon Matthew ascribed to Saint Chrysostome which the Romish faction will needs race out It is in the eleuenth Homily about the middle The words are these Si enim vasa sanctificata ad priuat●s vsus transferre peccatum est periculum sicut docet Balthasar qui bibens in calicibus sacris de regn● depositus est de vita Si ergo haec vasa ad priuatos vsus transferre sic 〈◊〉 est in quibus non est verum corpus Christi 〈◊〉 mysterium ●orporis eius continetur quanto magis vasa corporis nostri quae sibi Deus ad habitaculum praeparan●● non debemus locum dare Diabolo agend● in ijs quae vult In this sentence the wordes that I haue e●closed from the rest are inserted saith Bellarm●e by some Schol●er of Berengarius for they are not in all Copies No maruell That is more maruell that they are in any since the Canonizing of Trans●bstantiation But in Walde●s time and before the words were th●s read for in his third Tome Cap. 30. they are thus cited saue tha● by the error of the print ministerium is put for mysterium and hee addes there 〈…〉 But saith Bellarmine These words 〈◊〉 not to the matter in hand for the Author of the 〈◊〉 spake of the holy vessels of Salomons Temple which 〈…〉 and in those vessels neither was the Lords true body nor yet the mystery thereof Well if they be not to the purpose if they speake of the vessells of Salomons Temple let them stand in the Text still What need yee purge them out of the newer editions at Antwerpe and Paris Belike Father Iohn Matthews saw further into this matter then Bellarmine for hee casts out this sentence with the dregs of the Arians although there bee no Arianisme in it that I can perceiue The truth is the Author speakes of the Vessels vsed in the Lords Supper in his owne time For those wordes sicut docet Balthasar c. are brought in by the way for a confirmation from a like example the sense hanging in the meane while which is resumed againe when hee goes on Si ergo haec vasa as any indifferent Reader may perceiue Yea take away these words the sinewes of the sentence are cut for the force of the argument lies in the comparison of the prophaning of the holy vessels and of our bodies That is a sin yet Christs body is not contained in them but the mystery therof but God himselfe dwels in these These examples to omit some other doe make mee thinke that howsoeuer the corrupting of the texts of the

Common Prayer c. without any particular mention of the booke or forme of ordering Ministers and Bishops Hence grew one doubt whether ordinations and consecrations according to that forme were good in Law or no. Another was Queene Elizabeth in her Letters Patents touching such Consecrations Ordinations had not vsed as may seeme besides other generall words importing the highest authoritie in causes Ecclesiasticall the title of Supreame Head as King Henry and King Edward in their like Letters Patents were wont to d● that notwithstanding the Act of 35. Hen. 8. after the repeale of the former repeale might seeme though neuer specially reuiued This as I ghosse was another exception to those t●at by vertue of those Patents were Consecrated Whereupon the Parliament declares First that the Booke of Common Prayer and such order and form● for consecrating of Archbishops and● Bishops c. as was set forth in the time of King Edward the Sixth and added thereto and authorised by Parliament shall stand in force and be obserued Secondly That all Acts done by any person about any consecration confirmation o● in●esting of any elect to the Office or Dignitie of Arch-bishop or Bishop by vertue of the Queenes Letters Patents or Commission since the beginning of her reigne bee good● Thirdly That all that haue beene ordered or consecrated Archbishops Bishops Priests c. after the said forme and order be rightly made ordered and consecrated any Statute Law Canon or other thing to the contrary notwithstanding These were the reasons of that Act which as you see doth not make good the Nags-head-ordination as F. Halywood pretends vnlesse the same were according to the forme in Edward the Sixth dayes His next proofe is that Bo●er Bishop of London while hee liued alwayes set light by the Statutes of the Parliaments of Queene Elizaboth alleadging that there wanted Bishops without whose consent by the Lawes of the Realme there can no firme Statuee bee made That Boner despised and set not a straw by the Acts of Parliament in Queene Elizabeths time I hold it not impossible and yet there is no other proofe thereof but his bare word and the ancient Confessors tradition of which we heard before Admitting this for certaine there might bee other reasons thereof besides the ordination at the Nags-head The stiffenesse of that man was no lesse in King Edwards time then Queene Elizabeths And indeed the want also of Bishops might be the cause why he little regarded the Acts of her first Parliament For both much about the time of Queene Maries death dyed also Cardinall Poole and sundry other Bishops and of the rest some for their contemptuous behauiour in denying to performe their dutie in the Coronation of the Queene were committed to prison others absented themselues willingly So as it is commonly reported to this day there was none or very few there For as for Doctor Parker and the rest they were not ordained till December 1559. the Parliament was dissolued in the May before So not to stand now to refute Boners conceit that according to our Lawes there could bee no Statutes made in Parliament without Bishops wherein our Parliament men wil rectifie his iudgement F. Halywood was in this report twice deceiued or would deceiue his Reader First that he would make that exception which Boner laid against the first Parliament in Queen Elizabeths time to be true of all the rest Then that he accounts B. Boner to haue excepted against this Parliament because the Bishops there were no Bishops as not canonically ordained where it was because there was no Bishops true or false there at all His last proofe is That D. Bancroft being demanded of M. Al●blaster whence their first Bishops receiued their orders answered that hee hoped a Bishop might bee ordained of a Presbyter in time of necessity Silently granting that they were not ordained by any Bishop and therefore saith he the Parliamentary Bishops are without order Episcopall their Ministers also no Priests For Priests are not made but of Bishops whence Hierome Qu●d facit c. What doth a Bishop sauing ordination which a Presbyter doth not I haue not the meanes to demand of D. Alablaster whether this be true or not Nor yet whether this be all the answere he had of D. Bancroft That I affirme that if it were yet it followes not that D. Bancroft silently granted they had no orders of bishops Vnlesse he that in a false discourse both where propositions be vntrue denies the Maior doth silently grant the Minor Rather he iested at the futilitie of this Argument which admitting all this lying Legend of the Nags-head and more to suppose no ordination by any Bishops had beene euer effected notwithstanding shewes no sufficient reason why there might not be a true consecration and true Ministers made and consequently a true Church in England For indeed necessitie dispences with Gods owne positiue Lawes as our Sauiour shewes in the Gospel much more then with mans and such by Hieromes opinion are the Lawes of the Church touching the difference of Bishops and Presbyters and consequently touching their ordination by Bishops onely Whereof I haue treated more at large in another place for the iustification of other reformed Churches albeit the Church of England needs it not To confirme this Argument it pleaseth F. Halywood to add● That King Edward the Sixth tooke away the Catholike rite of ordaining and in stead of it substituted a few Caluinisticall prayers Whom Queene Elizabeth followed c. And this is in effect the same thing which you say when you adde that Couerdale being made Bishop of Exceter in King Edwards time when all Councells and Church Canons were little obserued it is very doubtfull hee was neuer himselfe canonically consecrated and so if hee were no canonicall Bishop hee could not make another canonicall To F. Halywood I would answere that King Edward tooke not away the Catholike rite of ordaining but purged it from a number of idle and superstitious rites prescribed by the Popish Pontifical And the praiers which he scoffes at if they were Caluinisticall sure it was by prophecie for Caluin neuer saw them●ill Queene Maries time when by certaine of our English exiles the Booke of Common Prayer was translated and shewed him if he saw them then Some of them as the Let any and the Hymne Veni Creator c. I hope were none of Caluins deuising To you if you name what Councells and Church Canons you meane and make any certaine exception either against Bishop Couerdale or any of the rest as not canonicall Bishops I will endeauour to satisfie you Meane while remember I beseech you that both Law and reason and Religion should induce you in doubtfull things to follow the most fauourable sentence and not rashly out of light surmises to pronounce against a publike and solemne ordination against the Orders conferred successiuely from it against a whole Church Wherein I cannot but commend Doctor Carriers modestie