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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A09618	The examinacion of the constaunt martir of Christ, Ioh[a]n Philpot arch diacon of Winchestre at sondry seasons in the tyme of his sore emprisonment, conuented and banted, as in these particular tragedies folowyng, it maye (not only to the christen instruction, but also to the mery recreacion of the indifferent reader) most manifestly appeare. Reade fyrst and than iudge.	Philpot, John, 1516-1555.	1556 (1556)	STC 19892; ESTC S100457	120,727	301

booke and read the place The which after I had read I sayd it made nothing against me but against the Arriās and other heretiks against whom Ireneus wrote prouīg that they weare not to be credityd because they did teache and folowe after straunge doctrine in Europa that the chefe churche of the same was founded by Peter and Paule and had to his tyme continued by faythfull succession of the faythfull Bishops in preachyng the true Gospel as they had receyued it of the Apostles and nothyng lyfe to the late sprong heretikes c. Wherby he cōcludeth against thē that they were not to be heard neyther to be credited The which thing yf you my lordes be able to proue nowe of the churche of Rome then had you as good autoritie against me in my cause nowe as Ireneus had against those heretikes But the church of Rome hath swarued frō that truthe and simplicitie of the Gospell which it maintained in Ireneus tyme and was vncorrupted frō that which it is nowe Wherfore your lordships can not iustly applie the autoritie of Ireneus to the churche of Rome nowe which is so manifestlye corrupted from the primatiue Churche London So wil you say stil it maketh nothing for the purpose what so euer autoritie we bring and wil neuer be satisfyed Phil. My lorde when I do by iust reason proue that the autorities which be brought against me do not make to the purpose as I haue already proued I trust you wil receyue myne answere worcest It is to be proued most manifestly by al auncient wryters that the sea of Rome hath alwayes folowed the truthe and neuer was deceyued vntil of late certayne heretikes had defaced the same Phil. Let that be proued I haue done worcest Nay you are of suche arrogācie singularitie vayne glorie that you wil not se it be it neuer so wel proued Phil. Ha my lordes is it nowe tyme thynke you for me to folowe singularitie or vaynglorie synce it is nowe vpō daunger of my lyfe and death not onlye presently but also before God to come and I knowe yf I dye not in the true faythe I shall dye euerlastingly again I knowe yf I do not as you would haue me you will kyll me and many thousandes moo Yet had I leuer perishe at your handes than to perishe eternally And at this tyme I haue lost al my cōmodities of this worlde and nowe lye in a colhouse where a man would not laye a dogge with the which I am wel contented Cole Where are you hable to proue that the churche of Rome hath erred at any tyme and by what historie certaine it is by Eusebius that the churche was stablyshed at Rome by Peter and Paule and that Peter was Bisshop .xxv. yeres at Rome Phil. I knowe wel that Eusebius so wryteth but yf we compare that which S. Paule writeth to the Galathiās the first it wil manifestly appere the cōtrarie that he was not halfe so long there He lyued not past .xxxv. yeares after he was called to be an Apostle And Paul maketh mencion of his abidyng after Christes death more then .xviij. yeres Colle What did Peter wryte vnto the Galathians Phil. No I saye Paule maketh mencion of Peter wrytyng to the Galathians of his abiding And further I am hable to proue bothe by Eusebius and other historiographers that the church of Rome hath manifestly erred and at this present doth erre because she agreeth not with that which they wrote The primatiue churche dyd vse according to the Gospel And ther nedeth none other profe but cōpare the one with the other London Hearke my lordes wise parabable I maye compare this man to a certayne man I reade of which fell into a disperation and went into a wood to hang him selfe And when he came there he went vewyng of euery tree and could fynde none on the which he myght vouchesaffe to hang himselfe But I wil not applie it as I myght I praye you maister doctor go forth with him Nother you nor they are hable in this case Colle My lorde there be on euery syde on me that be better hable to answer him And I loue not to falle in disputacion for that nowe a dayes a man shall but sustayne shame and obloquy therby of the people I had leuer shewe my mynde in wrytyng Phil. And I had leuer that you should so do then otherwyse For thē a mā may better iudge of your wordes then by argument And I beseche you so doo But yf I were a ryche man I durst wager an hundreth poundes that you shal not be hable to shewe that you haue sayd to be decreed by a general coūsel in Athanasius tyme. For this I am sure of that it was concluded by a general counsel in Affrica many yeres after that none of Affrica vnder payne of excōmunication should apeale to Rome the which decre I am suer they would not haue made yf by the scriptures it had bene by an vniuersall counsell that all men should abyde and folowe the determinacion of the churche of Rome Colle But I can shewe that they reuoked that errour agayne Phil. So you saye maister doctour But I pray you shewe me where I haue hetherto heard nothing of you for my contentation but bare wordes without any autoritie London What I praye you ought we to dispute wyth you of our fayth Iustinian in the lawe hath a tytle De fide catholica to the contrarie Phil. I am certayne the ciuil lawe hath suche a constitucion but our fayth must not depende vpon the ciuil lawe For as S. Ambrose sayeth Non lex sed fides congregauit Ecclesiam Not the lawe but the gospel sayeth he hath gathered the church together worcest Maister Philpot you haue the spirite of pryde wherwith ye be ledde which wil not let you yelde to the truth Leaue it for shame Phil. Sir I am suer I haue the spirite of fayth by the which I speake at this present Neither am I ashamed to stand in my fayth Glocest What do you thynke yourselfe better learned then so many notable learned men as be here Phil. Elyas alone had the truthe whē there were foure hundreth priestes against him worcest Oh you would be coūted now for Helyas And yet I tel thee he was deceiued For he thought ther had ben none good but him selfe and yet he was deceyued for ther was .vii. hundreth besydes hym Phil. Yea but he was not deceyued in doctrine as the other .vii. hūdreth were worc By my fayth you are greatly to blame that you can not be content to be of the churche which euer hath ben of that faythful antiquitie Phil. My lorde I knowe Rome haue ben there where I sawe your lordship worc In dede I dyd flye from hence thither And I remember not that I sawe you there But I am sorye that you haue ben there for the wyckednes whych you haue sene there peraduēture causeth you to

before the lordes of the Quenes maiesties councel prudentlye and to take hede what I sayde And thus he pretēded to gyue me coūcel because he wysshed me to do well as I might nowe do yf I list And after the lordes other worshypfull gentelmen of the Quenes maiesties seruauntes were seit my lorde of London placed hymselfe at th end of the table and called me to hym And by the lordes I was placed at the vpperend agaynst hym where I kneling downe the lordes commaunded me to stād vp and after in this maner the bishop beganne to speake London Master Phylpot I haue hertofore both priuatlye my selfe and openlye before my lordes of the cleargye mo tymes then once cauled you to be talked withall to reforme you of your errours but I haue not foūd you yet so tractable as I would wysshe Wherfore now I haue desired these honorable lordes of the tēporaltie of the Quenes Maiesties coūcel who haue takē paynes with me this daye I thāke thē therfore to heare you what you cā saye that they maye be Iudges whether I haue sought all meanes to do you good or no. And I dare be bold to saye in their behalfe that yf you shew your selfe cōformable to the Quenes maiesties proceadinges you shall finde as muche fauour for your deliueraūce as you cā wisshe I speake not this to fawne vpon you but to bring you home into the churche Nowe let them heare what you haue to saye phil My lord I thāke God of this daye that I haue suche an honorable audience to declare my minde before And I can not but commende your lordships equitie in this behalfe which agreeth with the ordre of the primatiue churche which was yf any body had bē suspected of heresie as I am nowe he should be called before the Archbishop or bishop of the diocese wher he was suspected in the presēs of others his felowships learned elders in the hearing of the laytie where after the iudgemēt of Goddes worde declared with the assēt of other bishops cōsent of the people he was cōdēpned for an heretike or absolued And the secōd poynt of the good ordre I haue founde at your lordships handes already now haue the third fort of men at whose handes I trust to fynd more righteousnes in my cause then I haue foūde with my lordes of the clergie God graūt I may haue at last the iudgemēt of Goddes worde cōcerning the same London Master Philpot I praye you er you go any further tell my lordes here plaīly whether you were by me or by my procuremēt cōmitted to prison or not And whether I haue shewed you any crueltie sythē you haue ben committed to my prison phil Yf yt shall please your lordship to gyue me leaue to declare furth my mater I wil touche that afterward Riche Answere fyrst of all to my lordes two questiōs thē furth procede to the mater Howe saye you were you imprisoned by my lorde or no cā you finde any faulte since with his cruell vsing of you phil I cā not laye to my lordes charge the cause of my imprisonment neither I maye saye that he hath vsed me cruellye But rather for my parte I might saye that I haue founde more gentlenes at his lordships handes then I did at mine owne ordinaries for the tyme I haue bē within his prison for that he hath called me thre or foure tymes to myne answere the which I was not twelue monethe and a halfe before Kyche Wel now go furth to your mater Phil. The materis that I am imprisoned for the disputacion had by me in the conuocaciō house agayne the sacramēt of the altar which mater was not moued principally by me but by the prolocutor with the consent of the Quenes maiestie and of the holl house And the house being a membre of the parliamēt house ought to be a place of fre speche for al mē of the house by the auncient laudable custome of this realme Wherfore I thinke my selfe to haue sustayned hytherto greate iniurie for speaking my conscience frely in suche place as I might laufully do it And I desire your honorable lordships iudgemēts which be of the pliamēt house whether of right I ought to be empeched therfore sustain the losse of my liuīg as I haue done morouer of my life as it is sought Ryche You are deceyued herin for the conuocacion house is no part of the parliament house Phil. My lorde I haue alwayes vnderstanded the contrarie by suche as are more expert men in thinges of this real me then I. And agayne the title of euery acte leadeth me to thinke otherwise which alledgeth the agrement of the spiritualtie tēporaltie assembled together Ryche Yea that is mēt of the spirituall lordes of the vpper house wynsor In dede the conuocation house is called together by one wryt of the sōmons of the parliament of an olde custome notwithstandyng that house is no parte of the parliament house phil My lordes I muste be contented to abyde your iudgementes in this behalfe Ryche We haue tolde you the truthe Mary yet we would not that you should be troubled for any thyng that there was spoken so that you hauyng spokē amisse do declare nowe that you are sorye therfore London My lordes he hath spokē there manifest heresie yea and there stoutly mayntayned the same against the blessed sacrament of the alter and with that he put of his cap that al the lordes myght reuerence and vayle their bonets at that ydol as they dyd And would not alowe the real presence of the bodye an blood of Christ in the same Yet my lordes God forbid that I should go about to shewe him extremitie For so doyng in case he wil repent and reuoke his wicked sayenges And in fayth yf he wyl so do with your lordships consent he shal be released by and by Mary yf he wyl not he shal loke for the extremitie of the lawe and that shortly Chamber My lorde of London speaketh reasonably vnto you take it whiles it is offred you Ryche How saye you wil you acknowlage the real presente of the blood and bodye of Christ as al the learned men of this realme do in the masse and as I do and wyl beleue as long as I lyue I do protest it Phil. My lorde I do acknowlege in the sacrament of the bodye bloud of Christ suche a presence as the worde of God dothe alowe and reache me Ryche That shal be none otherwyse then you lyst Lond. A sacramēt is the signe of a holy thyng So that ther is bothe the signe which is the accidens as the whitnes roundnes and shape of bread and theris also the thing it selfe as very Christ bothe God and man But these heretikes wil haue the sacramētes to be but bare signes Howe say you declare vnto my lordes here whether you do alowe the thing it selfe in the sacramēt or no Phil. I do confesse