haec dâ—co haec dicis sed audiamus haec dicit Dominus Auferantur illa de medio quae adversus noâ— invicem non ex divinis Canonicis libris sed aliundè recitamus Let vs heare no more Thus I say or Thus thou saist but let vs heare Thus saith the Lord. Away with those arguments on both sides which are not taken out of the Divine and Canonicall Scriptures i Ibid. cap. 2. Inter nos quaestio eist vbi sit Corpus Christi id est vbi sit Ecclesia Quid ergo facturi sumus in verbis nostris eam quaesituri an in verbis Capitis sui Domini nostri Iesu Christi Puto quòd in illius verbis potius eam quaerere debemus qui veritas est optimè novit Corpus suum It is questioned between vs where the body of Christ is that is where his Church is what then must be done shall we seeke it in our owne words or in the words of Christ the head of the Church I trow rather in his word who is Truth and best knowes his one body k Ibid. cap. 4. Ipsum Caput de quo consentimus ostendat nobis corpus suum de quo dissentimus vt per ejus verba jam dissentire desinamus Let this head of which we agree shew vs his Body of which we disagree that our dissentions may by his word be ended l Cap. 19. vid. etiam cap. 7. 18. passim That wee are in the true Church of Christ and that this Church is universally scattered over the earth we proue not by our Doctors or Councells or Miracles but by the divine Scriptures The Scriptures are the only documents and foundations of our cause Hither is his refuge and appeale from all other sentences The Mistaker was ill advised to send vs to this Treatise which both in the generall ayme in the quality of the arguments and proofes is so contrary to his pretensions If the present Roman Church could with S. Austine and all Antiquity submit to this Iudge or rather Rule of controversies both this in hand of the Church and all the rest of our contestations might bee quickly ended Before I leaue this piece of S. Austine I will leaue this passage out of it to the Mistaker to ruminate vpon m Ibid. cap. 4. Whosoever beleeue aright in Christ the Head but yet doe so dissent from his Body the Church that their communion is not with the whole wheresoeuer diffused but with themselues seuerally in some part it is manifest that such are not in the Catholique Church The Protestants communicate with the Catholique Church in what part or place of the world soever They of Rome say the Church is no where to be found but in their faction none can bee saued but Romanists What will follow from hence He hath so much Logick that he cannot mistake The Herefies recounted by Epiphanius Philastrius and S. Austin in their Catalogues were many of them wild wandring conceits of heads crazed in the Principles of vnderstanding rather frenzies and dotages against reason then false opinions in faith tending to breake the vnity of the Church And iustly said S. Austine No Christian Catholique hee might haue said no rationall creature beleeues them It is true divers of those Heretiques as the Arrians Photinians Macedonians Nestorians Eutychians c did disturbe that vnity by maintaining obstinately their errours against the common rule of faith But they were convicted not by their disobedience to the Church as the Mistaker beleeues but principally by the evidence and authority of Scripture and then after that by the attestation of the Catholique Church which is the faithfull keeper of all Scripture and divine verities as appeares clearely in those Councells and Fathers which haue opposed those Heretiques Epiphanius alone of the three aboue named disputes the matter with the Heretiques and profesfes to fetch his arguments from Scripture n Haeresi 65. Pauli Samosateni num 6. edit Petau 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vide cund Haer. 76. pag. 989. Haer. 78. pag. 1047. The divine goodnesse saith hee hath fore-warned and fore-armed vs against Heresies by his Truth For God fore-seeing the madnesse impietie and fraud of the Samosatenians Arrians Manichees and the other Heretiques hath secured vs by his divine word against all their subtleties And elsewhere to the same purpose Where by the way the Mistaker must needs obserue as hee saies that the Protestants hold divers ancient heresies and particularly that of denying Prayers for the dead He is very much mistaken in his observation The commemoration of the deceased in the ancient Church which o Ap. Epiphan Haer. 75. Aerius without reason disallowed was a thing much differing from those Prayers for the dead which are now in vse in the Church of Rome Our Roman Catholiques beleeue at least they say so that some soules of the faithfull after their departure hence are detained in a certaine fire bordering vpon Hell till they bee throughly purged and their prayers for them are that they may bee released or eased of those torments On the contrary the generall opinion of the ancient Doctors Greeke and Latine downe almost till these last ages was and is the opinion of the p Graeci in Concil Flor. ante Sess 1. in Quaest de Igne purgat apud Bin. Tom. 4. part 1. pag. 421. edit vlt. Greek Churches at this day that all the spirits of the righteous deceased are in Abrahams bosome or some outer Courts of heauen where though they liue in a blessed condition of peace and ioy and refreshing being secured of glory and the beatificall vision yet they expect the full perfection and consummation of their happinesse till the last day Some of their Testimonies to this purpose are collected by q Spalat de Rep. Eccl. lib. 5. cap. 8. num 98. Sixtus Senens Bibl. S. lib. 6. annot 345. Antonius de Dominis and Sixtus of Siena wherevnto many more might easily be added This opinion seemes directly to overthrowe two new doctrines of Popery Purgatory and invocation of Saints Such Invocation I meane as is intended to the Saints as a worship due vnto them and when they are invocated as Commissioners vnder God to whom he hath delegated the power of conferring sundry benefits deposited in their hands and to bee bestowed at their pleasure which is properly new and Popish Invocation Which r De Beatitud Sanct. lib. 1. cap. 4. 5. Bellarmine well perceiuing passionately labours to overthrowe it and to proue that the Ancients were not of this minde But his proofes are feeble and fall short of the thing in question and being a man of so great reading it may be thought hee spake against his knowledge and conscience Now conformably to this opinion the Ancient s 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Liturg. Basil Chrysost vide Clem. Const lib. 8. cap. 12. Chrysost Liturg Gr. Epiphan Her 75. Cyril Hier. Catech. 5.
to Arrianisme and cast him out of their communion Voluntary and vngrounded separation from the Catholique communion is without doubt a damnable Schisme yet may it bee much mollified or malignified by circumstances Tertullian was a man passionately zealous euen to superstition It appeares in part by his Treatise de Coronâ militis where he justifies the vanity and peeuishnesse of a common souldier who made scruple to weare on his head a Crowne of Lawrell as if the Christian religion had forbidden it And accordingly when the Church thought fit to remit a little of her ancient rigor in the manner and time of her fasts in the receiuing of penitents after publique satisfaction in allowing second marriages and the like Tertullian ill expounding this just relaxation to be a meere dissolution of good discipline hence tooke occasion being also prouoked by some claumnies and contumelies of the Romane Clergy to fall off from the Catholiques to the party of Montanus great pretenders to mortification and in that separation as it is likely he died Yet why may wee not hope that God pardoned the errours of his honest zeale i Nicol. Rigaltius in prefat Obseruat ad 9. libros Tertulliani Quae Tertulliani dicuntur haereses eae vix aliud praecipiebát quà m martyria fortiora jejunia sicciora castimoniam sanctiorem nuptias scilicet vnas aut nullas In quibus quicquid peccauit id omne virtutis amore vehementiore peccâsse videatur Id. mox ibid. Verosimile est Montani dogma quale extitit primordio quidem sui Christianis austerioribus probabili Tertullianum tenuisse non quale posteà quum sequacium quorundam imposturis fraudibus acu Phrygiâ interpolatum ab Ecclesiis passim Catholicis despui caepit his greatest fault being an excesse of indiscreet piety And if separatiō such as hath been said from all visible Churches doe not exclude from heauen much lesse doth a separation from the Church of Rome worke such an exclusion Whilest the Church of Rome stood in her puritie her amity and communion was very much esteemed deseruedly by other Churches yet neuer esteemed by any to be of absolute necessity for saluation Nor did Antiquity beleeue that a separation from the Romane communion in some regards whether actiue or passiue did induce or implie a disunion with the Catholique Church or a rejection from Gods fauor and Kingdome Many proofes here of might be alleaged but these few which follow may suffice When Pope Victor withdrew his communion from the Churches of Asia for their Easter day and Pope Stephen from those of Africa Cappadocia c. for rebaptizing their censures were much slighted and their pride and Schisme in troubling the peace of the Church much condemned by k Euseb lib. 5. cap. 23. z. p. Sec. Lation Cyprian Epist 74. 75. men of the greatest note for learning and piety in those ages S. Austin himselfe and with him 217. Bishops of Africa and their Successors for a hundred yeares together if their owne l Bonif. 2. Epist ad Eulal Alexandi Lindan Panopl Eu. lib. 4. cap. 89. in fine Salmeron Tom. 12. Tract 68. § Ad Canon Sander de visib Mon. lib. 7. num 411. records be true were all seuered from the Romane communion for maintaining the liberties of their Churches against the pretensions and forgeries of the Sea of Rome in the matter of appeales Yet during that separation many holy Soules were sent vp vnto God by Martyrdome vnder the persecution of the Vandales The fifth generall Councell condemned three Chapters casually omitted in the Councell of Chalcedon the Bishop of Rome at length consenting Many Bishops of Liguria and Istria mistaking the Councels meaning imagined the Councell of Chalcedon to be thereby dishonoured m Sigon de Occid Imper. lib. 20. Therefore in a full Synod of their owne they renounce the communion of their owne Patriarch of Rome and erect a new Patriarch at Aquileia which was after translated to Venice and there in name at least continues till this day And the Bishops of Ireland on the same occasion as n Baron Tom. 7. an 566. num 21. Baronius reports when they perceiued that the Church of Rome did both receiue the condemnation of the three Chapters strengthen the fifth Synod with her consent they did all joyntly depart from that Church and cleaue to the Bishops of Italie Africk in that cause Whereby it appeares that they did not take all the resolutions of the Church of Rome for vndoubted oracles but when they thought that they had better reason on their sides they preferred the judgement communion of other Churches before it The most ancient Brittish Irish Bishops did so stiffly adhere to the Churches of Asia in their celebration of Easter that the o Baron ad an 604. num 65. D. Vsher Treat of the Relig. of the ancient Irish Ch. 9. 10. Pope did therefore cut them off from his communion yet they persisted and neglected his anger as vaine and without danger Like Instances might be numberlesse By all which it is cleare that of old a totall Communion with the Church of Rome euen in her good dayes was not accounted so precious and necessary as is now pretended On the contrary men generally beleeued that Christians might liue and dye in the peace of God though they were at warre with the Pope and keepe the vnity of the Church Catholique though they fell off or were cut off from that of Rome The degrees of communion with particular Churches may be many and different The ancient Catechumeni and Penitents by degrees attained the spirituall fauours of the Church being in some respects within her communion without it in others So in the punishment of sinners the Church was wont to temper her censures according to the quality of offences Her censure for the most part was onely medicinall for the sinners benefit to reclaime him from euill by suspending him from her society the comfort of her publique prayers and Sacrament not denying him her inwar◠communion and Charity Sometime was a mortall censure by Anathema against malicious incorrigible wicked nesse In the former shee intended to purge the sinner by depriuing him 〈◊〉 while of her society in the latter to purge her selfe by cutting him off from the body of Christ And this Tertullia◠truly calls p Apologet. cap. 39. maximum futuri judic◠praeiudicium a Sentence which will bee verified in the last judgement according to that of our Lord q Matt. 18. 18. Whatsoeuer yo◠shall binde on earth shall be bound in heauen Whosoeuer is thus cursed justly by the Church shall neuer haue the benediction of God vnlesse hee make his peace by true and timely repentance Particular Churches owe each to other the mutuall offices of loue and communion so farre as may be but they owe onely to the Catholique Mother of all Christians the duty of obedience If then any Particular will deny to her
praesumunt Hoâ—â—â— Dei apud nos est sed illi hoc arbitrantur honorem diuinitatis esse quod credunt Inofficiosi sunt sed illis hoc est summum Religionis officum Impij sunt sed hoc putant veram esse pretatem Errant ergo sed boâ—â— animo errant non odio sed affectu Dei honorare se Dominum atqâ—â— aâ—are credentes Quanmuis non habeant rectam fidem illi tamen 〈◊〉 perfectam aestimant Dei Charitatem Qualiter pro hoc ipso falsae opnionis errore in die judicij puniendi sunt nullus potest scire nisi Index Saluian an ancient Bishop of Marseilles are very remarkeable concerning some Arrian Heretiques of whom he speakes thus The tradition of their Teachers and the doctrine which they haue learned is to them as it were a Law they beleeue as they haue beene instructed They are Heretiques then but not wittingly Briefly they are Heretiques in our judgement but not in their owne For they esteeme themselues so good Catholiques that they defame vs with the title of Heresie Such therefore as They are to vs such are Wee to them We know assuredly that they are iniurious to the Diuine Generation of the Sonne of God because they say He is inferiour to his Father They contrarily thinke vs iniurious to the Father because we beleeue the Sonne to be equall to Him The truth is on our side but they presume it is on theirs Our opinion truly honours God but they suppose their opinion to be more honourable to Him They are indeed vndutifull to God but this they esteeme a great dutie of Religion They are impious but this they thinke to be true piety They erre then but they erre with a good minde not out of any hatred to God but with affection to him thinking to honour hereby and loue the Lord. Although they haue not the right Faith yet they imagine their opinion to be perfect Charitie towards God How they shall bee punished in the last day of judgement for this error of their false opinion the Iudge alone knowes 3. In the Society of such Professors there is at least there may be true Baptisme administred and rightly for the substance of it And where true Baptisme may be rightly administred there is the Couenant of Saluation in Christ setled and established because the Seale of the Couenant is there allowed And euery Society in which is the Couenant of Grace is a Church of Christ Againe where true Baptisme is there by the Confession of the Romanists euery one by Vertue of that Baptisme if himselfe doe not ponere obieem is made a member of the Church and of Christ an Heyre of heauen And hence it followeth that Children baptized in that Church are regenerated because they doe not ponere obicem And hence againe that that Societie is a Church of Christ and his Spouse which bringeth forth Children vnto God 4. The people of the ten Tribes after their defection notwithstanding their grosse corruptions and Idolatrie yet because they professed by Circumcision and otherwise to honour the true Iehouah they remained still a true Church though a very imperfect and impure Church and were therefore called the i Rom. 9. 25 26. 1 King 16. 2. people of God the beloued of God the Children of the liuing God and God was called the k 1 Kin. 18. 36. c. 20. 28. God of Israel and said to be among them being also euer readie to direct and counsell them by his true l 2 Kin. 5. 8. 1. 16. 1 Kin. 22. 5 7. Prophets and lastly the Kings of Israel are often said to doe euill in the eyes of God that is as it may bee probably expounded in that place whereupon God did as yet looke with the eyes of his mercy as vpon his Church Though in regard of their halting betweene God and Baal they were said to be without m 2 Chron 15. 3. the true God without Priests and Law that is without that pure and comfortable worship of God which his Priests according to his Law ought to haue performed And it seemes by S. Paul that a Christian seruing the true God after a false and deuised manner may be at once both 1 Cor. 5. 11. a Brother and an Idolater And forignorances yea or errours of the vnderstanding though very grosse and perhaps by some thought to be fundamentall it seemes true Faith may be lodged in the same minde together with them The Faith of Rahab in o Heb. 11. 31. commended who surely had no great knowledge of the Messiah to commend her After our Lord had long conuersed with his Disciples and instructed them yet did they not beleeue p Matth. 20. 21. Act. 1. 6. his Kingdome to be spirituall nor q Matth. 16. 22. S. Peter the necessitie of his Passion though immediately before he had made that goodly Confession on which the Church is founded The Christians of Ephesus knew not r Act. 19. 2. whether then were an Holy Ghost or no and many thousand Christian Iewes s Act. 21. 20. did both beleeue the Gospell yet were zealous for the old legall Ceremonies which were by Christ fulfilled and abolished A learned t Synesius apud Phot. Myriobibl cod 26. man anciently was made a Bishop of the Catholique Church though he did professedly doubt of the last Resurrection of our Bodies The Authors of this opinion are oâ— age and abilitie enough to speake for it and themselues The Reader may be pleased to approue or reiect it as he shall finde cause No doubt the errors of Poperie and those other of Vbiquitie Consubstantiation and the like are errours grosse and palpable yet not such as presently and absolutely cut off all that professe and beleeue them from the Catholique Church and all hope of Saluation especially if withall they professe resolutely and heartily to beleeue in Iesus Christ and to obey him according to his word so farre as they can vnderstand it or can be taught it For howsoeuer some skilfull Disputant by Logicall deduction may from those opinions inferre some consequences damnable and destructiue to the Faith yet the erring persons many times doe not see or beleeue that any such consequences follow clearly from their opinions nay they doe happily so farre abhorre them and are so well disposed towards truth that rather then admit any such dangerous consequents they would readily renounce and rectifie their opinions But I finde my selfe digressing I returne and proceed By all this it is manifest that S. Cyprian agreed with the Donatists onely in a part of their errour but not wholly nor in their chiefest errours nor in their faction and obstinacy which made them guiltie of Schisme and Heresie S. Cyprian was a peaceable and modest man dissented from others in his judgement but without any breach of Charity condemned no man much lesse any Church for the contrary Opinion He beleeued his owne Opinion to be true
have gathered together so many Bishops from so distant parts of the world to celebrate Generall Councells if this had bene then knowne or imagined that Councells can conclude nothing to purpose without the Pope and that his sentence alone must cleare all controversies and silence all Heresies Nay his judgement hath bene formally opposed and rejected anciently by particular Doctors men of eminency and esteeme in the Catholique Church by Councells Provinciall and Generall by the Churches of the East for above 800 yeares now past and the onely cause of that Schisme is by the Greekes cast upon the vast ambition and pretensions of the Bishop of Rome y Nilus Thessalon de causes dissidii inter Graecos Latinos 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Who refuses to have the grounds of that dissention fairly heard and discussed in a Generall Councell but in a Masterly fashion will needs be judge himselfe in his owne cause and have all men besides stand by and obey him as his Schollers And here in the West it is not long since the Councells of Constance and Basil deposed some Popes and decreed against all that as inferiors they may be sentenced by Councells And their judgement herein hath been ever constantly avowed and maintained by the best learned a Vide Vigor in Comment ad Resp Synod Basil Em. Richer de Ecclesiastica Polit. potestate Iac. Leschass de libertate Eccl. Gallicanae ap Laur. Bochell Decret Eccles Gall. l. 4. tit 21. Revision du Concile de Trente liu 4. c. Romane Catholiques of France as a branch of the liberties of the Gallican Church and by the Sorbon it selfe till of late b Du Val Similes some of that bodie have been corrupted by the practises of the Iesuites to flatter the Pope contrarie to their owne ancient Maximes and as I verily thinke contrarie to their owne judgement For however the Authors of this imagination can be content to abuse simple people persuading them that the Pope is infallible yet I am persuaded c Franc. à Victor Relect. 4 de Potest Pa. Concil prop. 12. ad fin Da mihi Clementes Linos Sylvestros omnia permittam arbitrio eorum Sed ut nihil gravius dicatur in recentiores Pontifices certè multis partibus sunt priscis illis inferiores they are so far from beleiving it themselves that they secretly deride all those that beleive it well knowing it to be but one of their holy frauds devised for the advancement of their Catholique cause If this then be the infallible ground and motive of our Mistakers faith without doubt all his faith in this point and so in all the rest which depend on this is but a fancy and comes far short of a probable opinion Especially considering that in all this conceit of the Popes authority and infallibility there is no certaine ground for a divine faith to build upon nay there is nothing but uncertainties and probabilities Divine faith must have a firme and divine foundation that cannot faile or deceive it cannot relie on conjectures on which onely this pretended infallibility relies As may shortly appeare by this that followes S. Peter sate many yeares Bishop of Rome and there he died Well grant this though it seemes it can hardly be proved For Bellarmines first reason for it is so weake that himselfe sayes onely d Bell. lib. 2. de Rom. Pont. cap. 4. §. Restant suadere videtur it seemes to persuade it doth not convince but persuade and but seeme to do so There God commanded him to fix his Chaire and to leave his full power to his heyres and Successors the Popes But what certainty of this Indeed saith e Bell. lib. 2. de Rom. P. cap. 12. §. Observandum est tertiò Bellarmine it is no where expressed in Scripture that the Pope succeeds S. Peter and therefore happily it is not of divine right that he succeeds him f Bell. ibid. §. Et quoniam lib. 4. de R. P. cap. 4. §. Accedit yet it is not improbable that God commanded him to fasten his seate at Rome and it may be devoutly so beleeved Happily it is thus and happily otherwise This is not improbable nor that This may be beleived and may not be Here 's some little feeble ground for opinion none at all for faith a conjecturall certainty here may be no certainty of faith at all Yet further if S. Peter left this priviledge of infallibility to his Chaire surely he left it onely to his lawfull Successors such as were lawfully elected and ordained Bishops of Rome not to intruders But here againe we have nothing but meere uncertainties For first Onuphrius and other Romane Writers have noted six twenty severall Schismes in the Sea of Rome wherein two Antipopes and sometime three have each one pretended to the Chaire and pretended also their claime to be just and reasonable disabling their concurrents as unjust and unreasonable The last of these Schismes continued above 40 yeares from Vrban 6. untill the Councell of Constance during which time all these Westerne parts were distracted perplexed g Plat. in Vrb. 6. Adeò perplexum fuit Schisma ut etiam doctissimi viri conscientiosi non valerent discutere cui esset magis adhaerendum as Platina saies the most learned and devout men being not able to judge which of the pretenders was the true Pope If the faith of Christians did then depend on the infallible Pope then infallibly all that while Christians had no meanes to setle their faith in any thing that should be questioned Againe by the Popes owne h Leo PP apud Gratian. Cons 1. qu. 1. Can. Gratia Gratia si non gratis datur vel accipitur gratia non est Simoniaci autem non gratis accipiunt igitur gratiam quae maximè in Ecclesiasticis ordinibus operatur non accipiunt Si autē non accipiunt non habent nec gratis nec non gratis cuiquā dare possunt Quid ergò dant profectò quod habent Quid autem habent Spiritum utique mendacii Bull. Iul. 2. Si contingat Simoniacè quenquam ad Pontificatum promoveri electio ipsius seu assumptio ad Pontificatum co ipso nulla existat nec ullam electo seu assumpto administrandi facultatem vel in spiritualibus vel in temporalibus tribuat à nemine pro Pontifice Romano habeatur Imo liceat omnibus Electum talem ut Magum Ethnicum Publicanum Haeresiarcham evitare Canons all ordinations of men promoted symoniacally or for money are meere nullities of no validity Now it is cleare out of their owne i Baronius ad an Chr. 912. §. 8. Romae tunc dominabantu◠potentissimae ae què ac sordidissimae meretrices quarum arbitrio mutabantur sedes dabantur Episcopi quod auditu horrendum atque infandum est in Sedem Petri earum amasii Pseudo-Pontifices intrudebantur Nusquam cleri eligentis vel consentientis poste
say it is in jeast to shew the Sorbonists the iniquity of their censures As if Iesuiticall Libells and Pamphlets were to bee parallel'd with the Apostles Creed or this as justly censurablea as the other God in justice may giue ouer these men to Atheisme in earnest who dare so prophanely dally with the Capitall Principles of our faith By the profession of this faith and by the bond of loue wee are linked in communion with the Catholike Church and all her true members in the world and doubt not of Gods mercy in Christ if to our holy faith we adde an holy conversation For the Church of Rome in those Catholique truths which shee maintaines we are not at oddes with her nor need any reconciling for that masse of errours and abuses in iudgement and practise which is proper to her and wherein she differs from vs wee iudge a reconciliation impossible and to vs who are convicted in conscience of her corruptions damnable Hitherto the Mistaker hath declamed for the Charity of his party Hee will now declare the truth of his assertion that no Protestant can be saved Vpon examination wee shall finde as little truth in the substance of his discourse as there is in the designe of it little judgement or conscience or modesty Charity mistaken Cap. 3. 4. 5. 2 VNtrue The former iudgement proceeds not from lacke of Charity but from truth Which may appeare by these grounds of truth which follow 1 Almighty God hath founded but one Church and ordained but one religion wherein he will be served and out of the communion of this one Church there is no salvation This vnity of the Church is proued by many testimonies of Scripture and by the consent of the Fathers of the East and West And it is likewise proued by the same authorities that out of the communion of this one Church salvation cannot bee obtained wherefore all Heretiques Schismatiques being out of this Church and Communion must needs eternally perish Answere Sect. 2. OF the Vnity of the Church Wherein it consists How it is violated Each discord in opinion dissolues not the vnity of Faith The communion of the Church in what sense and how farre necessary TO the first ground No Protestant denyes the Catholique Church to bee one They all deny the present Romane to be that one Catholique If the Mistaker could proue this his paines were to some purpose But his labour is lost in prouing the vnity of the Catholique Church where of there is no doubt or Countrouersie Wherefore we might passe ouer this impertinent discourse but that some things are here and there intermingled which merit our consideration That place of a Deut. 17. 8 9. Deut. 17. alleaged by the Mistaker makes little for the vnity of the Church and much lesse for the Popes pretence of soueraigne power All Controuersies ciuill or ceremoniall are there referred not to the high Priest alone as the Mistaker thinkes but to the great Tribunall called the Sanhedrim mixt of Priests and Iudges in which all harder causes Ecclesiasticall and Ciuill should be determined without further appeale And therefore in respect of the two kindes of causes there were ordained two sorts of men to heare them Ecclesiasticall and Ciuill the Ciuill meant by the Iudge and the Ecclesiasticall by the Priest And though sometimes amongst the Iewes both the offices did meet in one person as in Eli yet this was very rare and extraordinary Ordinarily they were distinct and in the place which we haue in hand many learned b Oleaster Lyra. Cajeta apud Bonfrer in loc Sigon de Rep. Heb. libr. 6. cap. 7. The Dowists in their Marginall note on 2 Chron. 19. vers 11. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Romanists affirme that by the Iudge is meant the ciuill Magistrate who is directly distinguished and seuered from the Priest both in the c 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 originall Hebrew and in the d 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Septuagint And by the Priest not the high Priest alone but as may appeare by this e Deut. 17. 9. Text and another f Deut. 2. 1. 5. parallell to it the Priests the sonnes of Leui. It is true amongst those Priests there was one Chiefe in this matter of highest judgement in doubtfull causes So also was there one principall among the Iudges in g 2 Chron. 19. 11. matters of the King that is in ciuill causes And therefore if the Mistaker imagine that Christians must haue one soueraigne Bishop ouer all because the Iewes had one chiefe Priest it may bee inferred by as good consequence that Christians must haue one Soueraigne Prince ouer all because the Iewes had one chiefe Iudge And as all harder causes of religion must be referred to the Pope so all ciuill matters must be referred to the Emperour And as amongst the Iewes the Priest and Iudge were resident in the place which the Lord had chosen so the Pope and the Emperour must both abide in Rome These Inferences are all of equall validitie that is of no validitie at all The Mistaker will here haue it further well considered that the whole people was to submit to the determination of the high Priest or of the Iudge as the Vers 12. Text hath it vpon no lesse then the paine of death True and there was reason for it For 1. the sentences of them that are in authority and iudge soueraignely without appeale should bee obeyed or submitted vnto though they be vniust A lawfull power though vnlawfully abused must be obeyed A man fined or censured in the Star-chamber high Commission or other Courts of Iustice may not pretend for his contempt the error or misinformation of the Iudges But though Inferiours be alwaies bound to obey the sentences of their Gouernours yet they are not bound to beleeue them alwayes to be just Those Priests and Iudges had a rule to gouerne their judgements by they were to giue sentence h Vers 11. Eze. 44. 24. according to the Lawe If they erred frō this rule as sometimes i Es 28. 7. Ier. 2. 26. 27 Ezek. 22. 26. Mal. 2. 7 8. Act. 23. 3. Vide Tirin in loc Deut. 17. they did the errour might bee obserued though the authority might not be disobeyed 2. The high Priest in cases of moment had a certaine Priuiledge from errour if he cōsulted the k Exod. 28. 30. Numb 27. 21. diuine oracle by the judgement of Vrim or by the brest-plate of judgement wherein were Vrim and Thummim whereby he had an absolutely infallible direction If any such promise frō God to assist the Pope could be produced his decisions might then justly passe for oracles without examination till then his words with vs weigh so much as his reasons no more The sinne of l Numb 16. Korah Dathan and Abiram was a rebellion yea treason against Moses the civill Magistrate as well as a schisme from Aaron the Priest That they with all their company