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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A58394	Reformation no enemie, or, A true discourse betweene the bishops and the desirers of reformation wherein is plainely laid open the present corrupt government of our church, and the desired forme of government plainely proved by the word of God.; Hay any worke for Cooper	Marprelate, Martin, pseud.; Penry, John, 1559-1593.	1641 (1641)	Wing R741; ESTC R34566	39,052	59

to mirth I tooke that course I might lawfully doe it I for jesting is lawfull by circumstances even in the greatest matters The circumstances of time place and persons vrged me therevnto I never profaned the word in any jest Other mirth I vsed as a covert wherein I would bring the truth into light the Lord being the Author both of mirth and gravity Is it not lawfull in it selfe for the truth to vse either of these wayes when the circumstances doe make it lawfull My purpose was and is to doe good I know I have done no harme howsoever some may iudge Martin to mar all They are very weake ones that so think In that which J have written J know vndoubtedly that I have done the Lord and the state of this Kingdome great service Because I have in some sort discovered the greatest enemies thereof And by so much the most pestilent enemies because they wound Gods religion and currupt the State with Atheism and loosenesse so call for Gods vengance vpon vs all even vnder the colour of Religion I affirme them to be the greatest enemies that now our state hath for if it were not for them the truth should have more free passage herein then now it hath All states thereby would be amended and so we should not be subject vnto Gods displeasure as now we are by reason of them Now let me deale with these that are in authority I doe make it knowne vnto them that our Bishops are the greatest enemies which we have For they doe not onely goe about but they have long since fully perswaded our state that they may lawfully procure the Lord to take the Sword in hand against the state if this be true have J not said truly that they are the greatest enemies which our state hath The Papists worke no such effect for they are not trusted The Atheists have not infected our whole state these have The attempts of our forraine enemies may be pernicious But they are men as wee are But that God which when our Bishops have and doe make our Prince and our governours to wadge war who is able to stand against him Well to the point many have put his Maiestie the Parliament and counsell in mind that the church officers now among vs are not such as the Lord alloweth off because they are not of his owne ordaining They have shewed that this fault is to be amended or the Lords hand to be looked for The Bishops on the other side have cried out vpon them that have thus dutifully moved the state They with a loud voyce gave out that the magistrate may lawfully maintaine that church government which best fitteth our estate as living in the time of peace What doe they else herein but say that the magistrate in time of peace may maime and deforme the body of Christ his church That Christ hath left the government of his own house vnperfect and left the same to the discretion of the Magistrate whereas Moses before whom in this point of government the Lord Christ is justly preferred Heb. 3 6. made the government of the legall policy so perfect as hee left not any part thereof to the discretion of the Magistrate Can they deny church Officers to bee members of the church they are refused by the expresse text 1 Cor. 12. will they affirme Christ to have left behind him an vnperfect body of his Church wanting members at the least wise having such members as were onely permanent at the Magistrates pleasure Why Moses the servant otherwise governed the house in his time And the sonne is commended in this point for Wisedome and faithfulnesse before him Heb. 3.6 Either then that commendation of the sonne before the servant is a false testimony or the sonne ordained a permanent government in his Church If permanent not to be changed What then doe they that hold it may be changed at the Magistrates pleasure but advise the Magistrate by his positive lawes to proclaime that it is his will that if there shall be a Church within his dominions he will maime and deforme the same hee will ordaine therein what members he thinketh good He will make it knowne that Christ vnder his government shall be made lessefaithfull then Moses was That he hath left the placing of members in his body vnto the Magistrate Oh cursed beasts that bring this guilt vpon our estate Repent Caitifes while you have time you shall not have it I feare when you will And looke you that are in authority vnto the equity of the controversie betweene our wicked Bishops and those vho would have the disorders of our Church amended Take heed you be not carryed away with slanders Christs government is neither Mar-prince Mar. state Mar-law nor Mar-magistrate The living God whose cause is pleaded for will be reuenged of you if you give eare vnto this slander contrary to so many testimonies as are brought out of his word to prove the contrary He denounceth his wrath against all you that thinke it lawfull for you to maime or deform his church he accounteth his Church maimed when those Offices are therein placed which hee hath not appointed to bee members thereof he also testifieth that there be no members of this appointment in the Church but such as hee himselfe hath named in his word and those that he hath named man must not displace for so he should put the body out of joynt Now our Bishops holding the contrary and bearing you in hand that you may practize the contrary doe they not drive you to provoke the Lord to anger against your owne soules And are they not your enemies they hold the contrary J say for they say that his Maiestie may alter this government now established and thereby they shew either this government to be vnlawfull or that the magistrate may presume to place those members in Gods Church which the Lord never mentioned in his word And I beseech you marke how the case standeth betweene these wretches those whom they call puritans 1 The puritans falsely so called shew it to be vnlaw full for the Magistrate to goe about to make any members for the body of Christ 2 They hold all officers of the Church to be members of the body Rom. 12 6.1 Cor. 12.8 28. 3 And therfore they hold the altering or the abolishing of the offices of church government to be the altering abolishing of the members of the Church 4 The altering and abolishing of which members they hold to be vnlawfull because it must needes be a maime vnto the body 5 They hold Christ Iesus to have set downe as exact and as vnchangeable a Church government as ever Moses did Heb. 3.6 These and such like are the points they hold let their cause be tryed and if they hold any other points in effect but these let them be hanged every man of them Now I demand whether they that hold the contrary in these points and cause the

REFORMATION NO ENEMIE Or a true DISCOVRSE betweene the Bishops and the Desirers of Reformation WHEREIN Is plainely laid open the present corrupt government of our Church and the desired forme of Government plainely proved by the word of GOD. PROV 24. Vers 24. Hee that saith vnto the wicked thou art righteous him shall the people Curse Nations shall abhorre him Printed in the yeare 1641. A man of worship to the men of worship that is Martin Mar-prelate gentleman Primate and Metropolitane of all the Martins wheresoever To the Iohn of all the Sir Iohns and to the rest of the terrible Priests saith have among you once againe my clergie masters For O Brethren there is such a deale of love grown of late I perceive betweene you and me that although I would be negligent in sending my Pistles unto you yet I see you cannot forget me I thought you to be very kind when you sent your Pursivaunts about the Country to seeke for me But now that you your selves have taken the paines to write this is out of all cry Why it passes to thinke what loving and carefull Brethren I have who although I cannot be gotten to tell them where I am because I love not the ayre of the Clinke or Gatehouse in this cold time of Winter and by reason of my businesse in Pistle-making will notwithstanding make it known vnto the world that they have a moneths mind towards me now truly brethren J find you kind why ye doe not know what a pleasure you have done me My worships bookes were vnknowne to many before you allowed T. C. to admonish the people of England to take heed that if they loved you they would make much of their Prelates and the chiefe of the Clergie Now many seeke after my bookes more then ever they did Againe some knew not that our brother Iohn of Fulham was so good vnto the porter of his gate as to make the poore blind honest soule to be a dum Minister Many did not know either that Amen is as much as by my faith and so that our Saviour Christ ever sware by his faith or that bowling and eating of the Sabboth are of the same nature that Bishops may as lawfully make blind guydes as David might eate of the Shew bread or that father Thomas Tul-trimmer of Winchester good old student is a master of Arts of 45. yeares standing Many I say were ignorant of these things and many other pretty toyes vntill you wrote this pretty booke besides whatsoever you overpasse in my writings and did not gainsay that I hope will be iudged to be true and so Iohn a Bridges his treason out of the 448 page of his booke you grant to be true Your selves you deny not to be petty Popes the Bishop of sir Davids in Wales you deny not to have two wives with an hundred other things which you doe not gainsay so that the reader may judge that I am true of my word and vse not to lye like Bishops and this hath greatly commended my worships good dealing But in your confutation of my book you have shewed reverend Martin to be true peny indeed for you have confirmed rather then confuted him So that brethren the pleasure which you have done vnto me is out of all scotche and notche And should not I againe be as ready to pleasure you Nay then I should be as vngratefull towards my good brethren as Iohn of Cant. is to Thomas Cartwright The which Iohn although hee hath beene greatly favoured by the said Thomas in that Thomas hath now these many yeares let him alone and said nothing vnto him for not answering his bookes yet is not ashamed to make a secret comparison betweene himselfe and Thomas Cartwright As who say Iohn of Lambehith were as learned as Thomas Cartwright What say you old deane Iohn a Bridges have not you shewed your selfe thankefull vnto his Majestie in overthrowing his supremacie in the 448 page of your book I will lay on load on your skincoat for this geare anon And I will have my penyworths of all of your brethren ere I have done with you for this paines which your T. C. hath taken with me This is the Puritans craft in procuring me to be confuted I know I le be even with them to a crafty whoresons brethren Bishop did you thinke because the puritans T. C. did set Iohn of Cant. at a non-plus and gave him the overthrow that therefore your T. C. alias Thomas Cooper Bishop of Winchester or Thomas Cooke his Chaplaine could set me at a nonplus simple fellowes me thinkes he should not J gesse your T C. to be Thomas Cooper but I doe not peremptorily affirme it because the modest old student of 52. yeares standing setteth Winchester after Lincolne and Rochester in the contents of his booke which blasphemy would not have beene tollerated by them that saw and allowed the booke vnlesse Mistresse Coopers husband had beene the author of it Secondly because this T. C the author of this booke is a Bishop and therefore Thomas Cooper he is a Bishop because hee reckoneth himselfe charged amongst others with those crimes whereof none are accused but Bishops alone pag. 101. lin 26. Ha olde Martin yet I see thou hast it in thee thou wilt enter into the bowels of the cause in hand I perceive Nay if you will commend me I will give you more reasons yet The stile and the phrase is very like her husbands that was sometimes wont to write vnto Doctor Day of Welles You see I can doe it indeed Againe none would be so groshead as to gather because my reverence telleth Deane Iohn that hee shall have twenty fists about his eares more then his owne whereby J meant indeed that many would write against him by reason of his bomination learning which otherwise never meant to take pen in hand that J threatned him with blowes and to deale by stafford law whereas that was farre from my meaning could by no meanes be gathered out of my words but onely by him that pronounced Enlogeni for Eulogin in the pulpit and by him whom a Papist made to beleeve that the Greek word Eulogein that is to give thankes signifieth to make a crosse in the forhead py hy hy hy I cannot but laugh py hy hy hy I cannot but laugh to thinke that an old soaking student in this learned age is not ashamed to be so impudant as to presume to deale with a Papist when he hath no grue in his pocket But I promise you Sir it is no shame to be a L-Bishop if a man could though he were as vnlearned as Iohn of Glocester or William of Liechfeld And I tell you true our brother Westchester had as live play twenty nobles in a night at Priemeero on the cards as trouble himselfe with any Pulpit labour and yet hee thinks himselfe to be a sufficient Bishop What a Bishop such a cardplaier A Bishop play 20 nobles in a

State to practize the contrary be not outragious wicked men and dangerous enemies of the state it cannot be denyed but they are Because the contrary practize of any the sormer points is a way to worke the ruine of the state Now our Bishops hold the contrary vnto them all save the 3 and 2. points wherevnto it may be they will yeeld and cause our estate to practize the cōtrary whence at the length our destruction is like to proceed For 1 They deny Christ Iesus to have set downe as exact and as vnchangeable a forme of Church government as Moses did For they say that the Magistrate may change the church government established by Christ so could he not doe that prescribed by Moses 2 In holding all offices of the church to be members of the body for if they be not members what should they doin the body they hold it lawfull for the Magistrate to attempt the making of new members for that body 3 The altering or abolishing of these members by the Magistrates they hold to be lawfull And therefore the maiming or deforming Now you wretches Archb. and L. Bishops I meane you Mar-state Mar law Mar-Prince Mar-magistrate Mar-commonwealth Mar church and Mar-religion Are you able for your lives to answere any part of the former Syllogisme whereby you are concluded to be the greatest enemies unto his Majesty and the State You dare not attempt it I know For you cannot deny but they who hold it and defend it lawfull yea enforce the Magistrate to maime or deforme the body of Christ are vtter enemies vnto that Magistrate and that state wherein this order is practized You cannot deny your selves to doe this vnto our Magistrate and State because you beare them in hand that a lawfull Church government may consist of those offices which the magistrate may abolish out of the Church without sinne and so that the Magistrate may lawfully cut off the members of Christ from his body and so may lawfully massacre the body You are then the men by whom our estate is most likely to be overthrowne you are those that shall answer for our blood which the Spaniard or any other enemies are like to spill without the Lords great mercy you are the persecutors of your brethren if you may bee accounted brethren you and your hirelings are not onely the wound but the very Plague and pestilence of our Church Yow are those who maime deforme vex persecute grieve and wound the Church Which keep the same in captivity and darkenesse defend the blind leaders of the blind flander revile and deforme Christs holy government that such broken and woodden members as you are may bee still maintained to have the roomes of the true and naturall members of the body Tell me I pray whether the true and naturall members of the body may be lawfully cut off by the Magistrate If you should say they may I know no man would abide the speech What May the Magistrate out off the true and naturall members of the body of Christ Oh impudency not to be tolerated But our magistrate that is his Maiesty and our state may lawfully by your owne confession cut you off that is displace you and your Offices out of our church Deny this if you dare Then indeed it shall appeare that Iohn of Canterbury meaneth to be a Pope indeed and to have the soveraignty over the civill Magistrate Then will you shew your selfe indeed to be Mar-prince Mar-law and Mar-state Now if the Magistrate may displace you as he may then you are not the true members Then you are as indeed you ought to be thrust out unlesse the Magistrate would incurre the wrath of GOD for maiming and deforming the body of the Church by joyning unnaturall members thereunto Answer but this reason of mine and then hang those that seeke reformation if ever againe they speake of it if you doe not I will give you little quiet I feare you not If the Magistrate will be so overseene as to beleeve that because you which are the maime of the church are spoken against therefore they namely our Prince and state which are Gods Lieutenants shall be in like sort dealt with this credulity will be the Magistrates sinne But I know their wisedome to be such as they will not For what reason is this which you profane T. C. have used page 103. The sinfull the unlawfull the broken unnaturall false and bastardly governours of the church to wit Archb. Bishops which abuse euen their false Offices are spoken against Therefore the true naturall and lawfull and just governours of the Common wealth shall bee likewise shortly misliked Ah senslesse and undutifull beasts that dare compare your selves with our true Magistrates which are the ordinances of God with your selves that is with Archbishops and Bishops which as you your selves confesse I will by and by prove this are the ordinances of the Divell J know I am disliked of many which are your enemies that is of many which you call Puritans It is their weaknesse J am threatned to be hanged by you What though I were hanged doe you thinke the cause shall be the better For the day that you hang Martin assure your selves there will 20 Martins spring in my place I meane not now you grosse Beasts of any commotion as profane T. C. like a senslesse wretch not able to understand an English phrase hath given out upon that which he calleth the threatning of fister Assure your selves I will prove Marprelat ere I have done with you I am alone No man under Heaven is privy or hath bin privie unto my writings against you J used the advice of none therein You have and do suspect divers as Master Pagget Master Wiggington Master Vdall and Master Penri c. to make Martin If they cannot cleare their selves their sillinesse is pittifull and they are worthy to beare Martins punishment Well once againe answer my reasons both of your Antichristian places in my first Epistle unto you and these now used against you Otherwise the wisedome of the Magistrate must needes smell what you are And call you to a reckoning for deceiving them so long making them to suffer the Church of Christ under their government to be maimed and deformed Your reasons for the defence of your Hierarchie and the keeping out of Christs government used by this profane T. C are already answered They shew what profane Beasts you are I will heere repeate them But heere first the Reader is to know what answere this T. C. maketh unto the syllogismes whereby I prove all L. Bishops to bee petty Popes and petty Antichrists I assure you no other then this he flatly denyeth the conclusion wheras he might if he had any learning in him or had read any thing know that every Dunsticall Logician giveth this for an inviolable precept that the conclusion is not to be denied For that must needs be true if the Major and minor be true he in