Selected quad for the lemma: cause_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
cause_n	bishop_n	church_n	person_n	1,806	5	4.8836	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A90523	A defence of church-government, exercised in presbyteriall, classicall, & synodall assemblies; according to the practise of the reformed churches: touching I. The power of a particular eldership, against those that plead for a meere popular government, specially Mr Ainsvvorth in his Animadversion to Mr Clyft. &c. II. The authority of classes and synods, against the patrons of independencie: answering in this poynt Mr Davenport his Apologeticall reply, &c. and Mr Canne his Churches plea, &c, sent forth first by W. Best, and afterwards for this part of it, under the title of Syons prerogative royall. By Iohn Paget, late able and faithfull pastour of the Reformed English Church in Amsterdam. Hereunto is prefixed an advertisement to the Parliament, wherein are inserted some animadversions on the Cheshire Remonstrance against Presbytery: by T.P.	Paget, John, d. 1640.; Paget, Thomas, d. 1660.	1641 (1641)	Wing P166; Thomason E117_1; ESTC R16734	348,418	298

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at_o frankford_n for_o whereas_o g._n johnson_n in_o a_o peculiar_a 21-73_a peculiar_a disc_n of_o troub_v in_o the_o banish_v english_a church_n at_o amsterd_n p._n 21-73_a treatise_n which_o he_o write_v against_o his_o brother_n franc._n johnson_n and_o that_o church_n of_o the_o brownist_n whereof_o he_o be_v pastor_n have_v compare_v the_o trouble_n of_o these_o two_o church_n together_o in_o the_o first_o part_n of_o this_o treatise_n which_o be_v entitle_v the_o agreement_n between_o the_o banish_a english_a church_n at_o frankford_n in_o q._n mary_n day_n and_o some_o trouble_n in_o the_o banish_a english_a church_n at_o amsterdam_n in_o q._n elizabeth_n day_n he_o bring_v more_o than_o a_o 100_o several_a instance_n to_o show_v that_o where_o any_o disorder_n scandal_n or_o offence_n be_v in_o the_o english_a church_n at_o frankford_n the_o like_a evil_n scandal_n and_o offence_n be_v also_o to_o be_v find_v and_o observe_v in_o the_o english_a church_n of_o the_o separatist_n 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etc._n l._n 7._o c._n 26_o 28._o etc._n etc._n whereby_o it_o appear_v that_o he_o allow_v unto_o synod_n not_o only_a counsel_n or_o admonition_n but_o a_o power_n of_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n &_o censure_n those_o counsel_n mention_v and_o point_a at_o by_o he_o for_o instance_n of_o this_o chiefty_a of_o judgement_n be_v such_o as_o do_v not_o only_o admonish_v but_o also_o determine_v and_o judge_v of_o cause_n the_o synod_n of_o etc._n of_o barthol_n carranza_n summa_fw-la council_n p._n ●3_n etc._n etc._n ancyra_n in_o galatia_n make_v most_o severe_a ecclesiastical_a law_n for_o the_o exclude_v of_o such_o as_o do_v fall_v in_o time_n of_o persecution_n the_o synod_n of_o 463_o of_o magdeb._n cent._n 4._o c._n 3._o col_fw-fr 111._o etc._n etc._n 6._o col_fw-fr 463_o gangris_n in_o paphlagonia_n exercise_v ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n in_o depose_v eustathius_n bishop_n of_o sebastia_n for_o his_o error_n and_o the_o like_a may_v be_v note_v for_o the_o 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that_o 79._o that_o ibid._n qu._n 3._o c._n 1._o p._n 79._o the_o papist_n will_v have_v only_o the_o bishop_n or_o great_a prelate_n to_o be_v allow_v for_o judge_n and_o the_o presbyter_n or_o inferior_a clergy_n to_o be_v only_a inquisitor_n disputer_n or_o consulter_n to_o give_v counsel_n but_o not_o to_o have_v suffrage_n in_o give_v definitive_a sentence_n this_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o the_o 15._o the_o bellar._n tom._n 2._o contr._n 1._o de_fw-fr council_n l._n 1._o c._n 15._o romish_a church_n now_o d._n whit._n in_o the_o refutation_n of_o the_o papist_n do_v as_o well_o refute_v the_o brownist_n and_o other_o opposite_n while_o he_o prove_v 3._o prove_v de_fw-fr council_n qu._n 3._o c._n 3._o that_o all_o who_o have_v a_o lawful_a deputation_n and_o calling_n be_v to_o be_v allow_v for_o judge_n and_o not_o for_o counsellor_n only_o and_o that_o their_o suffrage_n be_v not_o only_o for_o consultation_n but_o for_o decision_n as_o be_v hereafter_o show_v more_o at_o large_a observe_v only_o at_o this_o time_n that_o the_o first_o argument_n in_o that_o dispute_n be_v take_v from_o this_o very_a place_n act._n 15._o g._n bucerus_n plead_v from_o this_o same_o ground_n of_o scripture_n and_o write_v 65._o write_v dissert_n de_fw-fr gub._n ecc._n p._n 65._o that_o not_o only_o several_a particular_a church_n have_v their_o proper_a distinct_a presbytery_n but_o that_o the_o history_n of_o the_o apostle_n witness_v that_o when_o great_a controversy_n do_v arise_v which_o can_v not_o be_v end_v in_o lesser_a college_n then_o more_o church_n under_o the_o new_a testament_n do_v run_v unto_o a_o general_n synod_n act._n 15._o and_o what_o power_n they_o be_v wont_a to_o exercise_v therein_o he_o show_v by_o a_o distinction_n of_o person_n come_v to_o the_o synod_n as_o d._n whit._n refute_v the_o popish_a distinction_n of_o great_a and_o lesser_a clergy_n show_v that_o there_o be_v a_o right_a and_o power_n of_o suffrage_n &_o judgement_n in_o the_o synod_n so_o bucerus_n etc._n bucerus_n ibid._n p._n 107._o 108._o etc._n etc._n confirm_v the_o distinction_n of_o junius_n viz._n that_o some_o person_n come_v to_o the_o synod_n as_o delegate_n send_v from_o the_o church_n which_o therefore_o do_v give_v definitive_a sentence_n of_o matter_n propound_v that_o other_o come_v without_o such_o deputation_n and_o commission_n may_v give_v their_o advice_n and_o counsel_v but_o without_o suffrage_n do_v hereby_o acknowledge_v a_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n in_o the_o synod_n by_o those_o that_o be_v peculiar_o call_v to_o be_v judge_n therein_o zepperus_n etc._n zepperus_n polit._n eccl._n l._n 3._o c._n 8._o de_fw-fr syn._n p._n 713._o 714._o 715._o etc._n etc._n allege_v act._n 15._o for_o a_o pattern_n of_o synod_n declare_v that_o after_o the_o apostle_n the_o primitive_a church_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n be_v most_o studious_a of_o this_o consociation_n or_o combination_n in_o synod_n do_v not_o only_o communicate_v by_o letter_n but_o meet_v together_o in_o nationall_n or_o general_n counsel_n do_v hear_v the_o cause_n of_o heretic_n &_o other_o that_o appear_v before_o they_o &_o so_o convince_v condemn_a and_o excommunicate_v they_o &_o send_v their_o decree_n unto_o all_o church_n with_o the_o name_n &_o heresy_n of_o those_o that_o be_v excommunicate_a etc._n etc._n thus_o do_v he_o acknowledge_v the_o right_n of_o synod_n not_o only_o for_o counsel_n &_o admonition_n but_o also_o for_o jurisdiction_n in_o censure_v piscator_fw-la 361-364_a piscator_fw-la thes_n theolog._n vol._n 1._o loc._n 23._o p._n 361-364_a writing_n of_o counsel_n and_o synod_n and_o of_o the_o seven_o question_n concern_v they_o do_v seven_o time_n allege_v this_o place_n act._n 15._o for_o a_o ground_n of_o direction_n in_o each_o of_o they_o and_o for_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n he_o plain_o express_v his_o meaning_n when_o speak_v of_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n in_o general_a he_o say_v 63._o say_v thes_n 62_o 63._o it_o consist_v chief_o in_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n and_o again_o distinguish_v this_o jurisdiction_n into_o two_o part_n he_o say_v that_o the_o one_o part_n consist_v in_o the_o power_n of_o make_v law_n &_o potissimum_fw-la spectatur_fw-la in_o conciliis_fw-la that_o be_v it_o be_v chief_o see_v in_o synod_n bucanus_n 27._o bucanus_n loc._n con_n loc._n 43._o qu._n 21_o 22_o 25_o 27._o write_v much_o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n and_o asscribe_v unto_o synod_n authority_n of_o make_v law_n of_o decide_v controversy_n and_o this_o from_o the_o example_n of_o that_o synod_n act._n 15._o often_o mention_v by_o he_o mr_n fenner_n 278-281_a fenner_n s._n theol._n l._n 7._o c._n 7._o p._n 278-281_a brief_o and_o methodical_o describe_v the_o nature_n of_o synod_n the_o kind_n the_o use_n &_o authority_n of_o they_o do_v derive_v their_o authority_n from_o this_o ground_n act._n 15._o which_o even_o in_o that_o short_a description_n be_v more_o than_o ten_o time_n allege_v by_o he_o many_o other_o such_o testimony_n may_v be_v produce_v to_o show_v the_o consent_n of_o judicious_a and_o learned_a divine_n in_o this_o point_n of_o which_o somewhat_o more_o be_v to_o be_v say_v when_o i_o come_v to_o give_v answer_n touch_v that_o multitude_n of_o author_n which_o mr_n can_v allege_v against_o i_o let_v we_o now_o hear_v what_o my_o opposite_n say_v concern_v this_o example_n mr_n dau._n his_o exception_n touch_v act._n 15._o answer_v i._o dav_n 255._o dav_n apol_n reply_n p._n 254._o 255._o this_o text_n act._n 15._o be_v allege_v by_o bellarmine_n to_o prove_v the_o bind_a force_n of_o the_o decree_n of_o council_n and_o by_o the_o answerer_n to_o show_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la whereunto_o junius_n give_v 2_o answer_n also_o 1._o non_fw-la sequitur_fw-la ex_fw-la particulari_fw-la si_fw-la custodienda_fw-la fuerint_fw-la decreta_fw-la concilii_fw-la apostolici_fw-la ergo_fw-la &_o omnium_fw-la seruari_fw-la oportere_fw-la it_o

judgement_n touch_v this_o controversy_n be_v the_o same_o with_o that_o which_o i_o have_v here_o note_v out_o of_o his_o writing_n and_o for_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o matter_n no_o other_o than_o that_o which_o i_o maintain_v throughout_o this_o discourse_n sect_n viii_o touch_v the_o english_a church_n at_o frankford_n in_o q._n mary_n time_n io._n dav_n 67._o dav_n apol._n reply_n p._n 243._o a_o discourse_n of_o the_o trouble_n in_o the_o engl._n chur._n at_o franckf_n art_n 62._o art_n 67._o and_o to_o conclude_v thus_o it_o be_v order_v in_o the_o english_a church_n at_o frankford_n among_o the_o exile_n in_o those_o marian_n day_n that_o if_o all_o the_o minister_n and_o senior_n be_v suspect_v or_o find_v party_n if_o any_o appeal_v be_v make_v from_o they_o that_o then_o such_o appeal_n be_v make_v to_o the_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n etc._n etc._n and_o that_o the_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n may_v appoint_v so_o many_o of_o the_o congregation_n to_o hear_v and_o determine_v the_o say_a matter_n or_o matter_n as_o it_o shall_v seem_v good_a to_o the_o congregation_n again_o if_o any_o controversy_n be_v about_o the_o doubtful_a meaning_n of_o any_o word_n or_o word_n in_o the_o discipline_n that_o first_o it_o be_v refer_v to_o the_o minister_n or_o senior_n and_o if_o they_o can_v agree_v thereupon_o than_o the_o thing_n be_v refer_v to_o the_o whole_a congregation_n answ._n i._n it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o these_o two_o article_n of_o discipline_n be_v allege_v against_o i_o by_o 36._o by_o church_n plea_n p._n 36._o mr_n can_v as_o well_o as_o by_o mr_n dau._n there_o be_v this_o difference_n betwixt_o they_o that_o mr_n can_n add_v more_o word_n than_o he_o shall_v and_o mr_n daven_n omit_v some_o word_n that_o shall_v have_v be_v add_v that_o which_o mr_n can_v add_v be_v against_o himself_o and_o serve_v to_o condemn_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o brownist_n when_o he_o faith_n of_o the_o minister_n and_o senior_n that_o they_o have_v authority_n to_o hear_v &_o determine_v etc._n etc._n that_o which_o mr_n dau._n omit_v and_o refuse_v to_o express_v serve_v to_o reproove_v such_o as_o complain_v unjust_o of_o except_v against_o the_o elder_n judgement_n for_o when_o that_o 62_o article_n speak_v of_o appeal_n to_o be_v make_v unto_o the_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n the_o minister_n senior_n &_o party_n except_v this_o latter_a clause_n show_v there_o be_v just_a cause_n of_o except_v against_o the_o elder_n judgement_n sometime_o and_o that_o they_o be_v to_o be_v refuse_v as_o incompetent_a judge_n be_v party_n this_o brief_a clause_n be_v of_o special_a use_n in_o our_o controversy_n ought_v not_o to_o have_v be_v omit_v by_o mr_n dau._n ii_o that_o which_o they_o allege_v for_o appeal_v unto_o the_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n do_v not_o overthrow_v the_o authority_n of_o synod_n this_o grant_v one_o kind_n of_o appeal_n do_v not_o exclude_v or_o deny_v another_o see_v particular_a congregation_n be_v subject_a to_o error_n and_o many_o of_o they_o daily_o do_v err_v why_o shall_v not_o appeal_v be_v grant_v from_o they_o unto_o class_n and_o synod_n especial_o where_o there_o be_v no_o magistrate_n that_o can_v or_o will_v judge_v of_o such_o error_n iii_o this_o appeal_v make_v unto_o the_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n be_v not_o usual_o permit_v but_o extraordinary_o in_o case_n of_o special_a necessity_n when_o the_o minister_n and_o senior_n be_v not_o able_a to_o end_v the_o controversy_n bring_v unto_o they_o the_o express_a word_n of_o the_o article_n be_v 57_o be_v ●isc_fw-la of_o troubl_n in_o engl_n ch._n at_o franckf_n art_n 57_o in_o case_n they_o can_v end_v they_o than_o afterward_o to_o be_v refer_v to_o the_o whole_a congregation_n their_o ordinary_a practice_n be_v otherwise_o as_o appear_v in_o other_o article_n of_o their_o discipline_n where_o it_o be_v plain_o ordain_v 59_o ordain_v ibid._n art_n 59_o that_o the_o minister_n and_o senior_n shall_v have_v authority_n to_o hear_v and_o determine_v on_o the_o behalf_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n all_o offence_n determinable_a by_o the_o congregation_n commit_v by_o any_o person_n in_o the_o congregation_n unless_o the_o party_n call_v before_o they_o have_v just_a occasion_n to_o take_v exception_n to_o the_o say_a minister_n and_o senior_n or_o to_o appeal_v from_o they_o as_o not_o competent_a judge_n and_o afterward_o again_o there_o be_v another_o strict_a and_o severe_a decree_n 63._o decree_n art_n 63._o if_o any_o person_n do_v unjust_o take_v exception_n to_o any_o of_o the_o minister_n or_o appeal_v from_o the_o whole_a ministry_n that_o then_o such_o person_n beside_o the_o punishment_n for_o the_o principal_a cause_n shall_v also_o be_v punish_v as_o a_o contemner_n of_o the_o ministry_n and_o a_o disturber_n of_o the_o church_n this_o order_n as_o it_o serve_v to_o condemn_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o brownist_n as_o tend_v to_o the_o disturbance_n of_o the_o church_n while_o they_o give_v no_o power_n of_o judge_v and_o decide_v cause_n unto_o the_o eldership_n so_o it_o serve_v for_o the_o reproof_n both_o of_o they_o and_o mr_n davenp_n in_o deny_v the_o authority_n of_o synod_n for_o if_o the_o church_n may_v in_o ordinary_a case_n commit_v their_o authority_n unto_o a_o eldership_n &_o not_o deprive_v themselves_o of_o their_o right_n then_o why_o may_v they_o not_o do_v so_o likewise_o unto_o class_n and_o synod_n four_o this_o english_a church_n at_o frankford_n do_v commit_v and_o delegate_v the_o power_n of_o judge_a controversy_n not_o only_o to_o their_o elder_n but_o upon_o occasion_n even_o unto_o other_o particular_a and_o private_a member_n of_o the_o church_n which_o have_v no_o ecclesiastical_a office_n and_o this_o in_o divers_a degree_n as_o 1._o in_o case_n some_o of_o the_o eldership_n though_o the_o lesser_a part_n be_v except_v against_o as_o party_n 2._o when_o the_o great_a part_n be_v except_v against_o 3._o when_o all_o the_o minister_n and_o senior_n be_v suspect_v etc._n etc._n thus_o they_o do_v erect_v as_o it_o be_v three_o several_a sort_n of_o class_n or_o synod_n within_o themselves_o for_o the_o judicature_n of_o such_o cause_n as_o can_v not_o be_v end_v by_o the_o eldership_n thus_o they_o ordain_v in_o these_o three_o several_a article_n of_o their_o discipline_n which_o follow_v of_o the_o first_o sort_n 60._o sort_n art_n 60._o item_n if_o any_o have_v just_a occasion_n to_o take_v exception_n to_o some_o of_o the_o minister_n and_o senior_n and_o not_o to_o the_o more_o part_n that_o then_o those_o of_o the_o minister_n and_o senior_n to_o who_o the_o exception_n be_v make_v in_o this_o case_n shall_v not_o be_v judge_n but_o in_o this_o case_n for_o the_o time_n remove_v from_o the_o ministry_n and_o that_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o minister_n and_o senior_n to_o who_o no_o exception_n shall_v be_v make_v with_o as_o many_o of_o the_o congregation_n join_v to_o they_o as_o they_o be_v in_o number_n which_o shall_v be_v except_v shall_v be_v arbiter_n and_o judge_n in_o the_o say_a cause_n and_o that_o the_o say_v person_n so_o to_o be_v join_v to_o the_o minister_n and_o senior_n shall_v be_v appoint_v by_o the_o congregation_n the_o minister_n and_o senior_n not_o except_v give_v their_o voice_n as_o other_o of_o the_o congregation_n of_o the_o second_o sort_n 61._o sort_n art_n 61._o item_n if_o exception_n be_v take_v to_o the_o more_o part_n of_o the_o minister_n and_o senior_n that_o then_o the_o church_n shall_v appoint_v six_o more_o to_o be_v judge_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o minister_n against_o who_o exception_n be_v not_o make_v the_o same_o rest_n of_o the_o minister_n have_v their_o voice_n in_o the_o election_n of_o the_o six_o as_o other_o member_n of_o the_o church_n of_o the_o three_o sort_n 62._o sort_n art_n 62._o item_n if_o all_o the_o minister_n and_o senior_n be_v suspect_v or_o find_v party_n or_o if_o any_o appeal_v be_v make_v from_o they_o that_o then_o such_o appeal_n be_v make_v to_o the_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n the_o minister_n senior_n and_o party_n except_v and_o that_o the_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n may_v appoint_v so_o many_o of_o the_o congregation_n to_o hear_v and_o determine_v the_o say_a matter_n or_o matter_n as_o it_o shall_v seem_v good_a to_o the_o congregation_n now_o as_o in_o all_o these_o commission_n the_o church_n do_v not_o loose_v her_o authority_n but_o do_v rather_o exercise_v the_o same_o herein_o this_o very_a act_n of_o delegation_n be_v a_o testimony_n of_o her_o power_n so_o in_o like_a manner_n if_o the_o example_n of_o this_o church_n allege_v against_o i_o may_v be_v follow_v of_o we_o other_o church_n may_v also_o send_v their_o deputy_n and_o delegate_n unto_o class_n &_o synod_n for_o the_o judgement_n &_o

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1135._o write_v a_o peculiar_a book_n touch_v synod_n exstant_fw-la among_o his_o work_n which_o he_o have_v translate_v out_o of_o greek_a into_o latin_a wherein_o the_o act_n and_o decree_n of_o divers_a synod_n that_o censure_v and_o condemn_v the_o arian_n heresy_n be_v record_v have_v he_o think_v with_o my_o opposite_n that_o this_o jurisdiction_n of_o synod_n have_v be_v a_o usurp_a and_o unlawful_a power_n he_o ought_v not_o to_o have_v give_v so_o much_o approbation_n of_o they_o in_o allege_v their_o authority_n for_o defence_n of_o his_o opinion_n without_o some_o testification_n against_o their_o power_n beside_o what_o colour_n of_o reason_n have_v mr_n c._n to_o show_v that_o hilarius_n shall_v vary_v from_o the_o judgement_n of_o orthodox_n bishop_n who_o in_o that_o age_n etc._n age_n ib._n cent._n 4._o c._n 7._o col_fw-fr 519._o &_o 528_o etc._n etc._n ordinary_o use_v to_o meet_v together_o in_o synod_n for_o the_o exercise_n of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n for_o 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impeachment_n unto_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n as_o be_v show_v before_o ii_o that_o this_o cyrill_n bishop_n of_o alexandria_n do_v acknowledge_v the_o use_n of_o synod_n not_o only_o for_o counsel_n and_o admonition_n but_o for_o censure_n and_o judgement_n of_o cause_n it_o appear_v evident_o by_o his_o practice_n while_o in_o the_o 4._o the_o euagr._fw-la hist_n eccl._n l._n 1._o c._n 4._o synod_n hold_v at_o ephesus_n in_o the_o time_n of_o theodosius_n he_o be_v a_o principal_a member_n of_o that_o synod_n do_v together_o with_o other_o give_v sentence_n against_o nestorius_n and_o depose_v he_o from_o his_o office_n for_o his_o obstinacy_n in_o refuse_v to_o appear_v before_o they_o and_o for_o his_o heresy_n whereof_o he_o have_v be_v convict_v the_o next_o witness_v abuse_v by_o he_o be_v ambrose_n who_o be_v allege_v to_o show_v what_o the_o senate_n or_o assembly_n of_o elder_n be_v to_o do_v viz._n

1_o viz._n amb._n offi._n l._n 1._o c._n 1_o these_o with_o spiritual_a bridle_n order_n man_n etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v i._o in_o the_o place_n allege_v there_o be_v not_o a_o word_n to_o be_v find_v either_o touch_v a_o senate_n of_o elder_n or_o touch_v spiritual_a bridle_n or_o any_o thing_n to_o like_a purpose_n ii_o if_o a_o senate_n of_o elder_n be_v spiritual_a bridle_n than_o the_o brownist_n with_o mr_n c._n that_o now_o want_v such_o a_o senate_n be_v a_o unbridled_a company_n want_v order_n etc._n etc._n iii_o what_o though_o a_o assembly_n of_o elder_n order_n man_n with_o spiritual_a bridle_n be_v there_o therefore_o no_o other_o spiritual_a bridle_n in_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n what_o consequence_n be_v this_o iv_o that_o ambrose_n do_v allow_v the_o authority_n and_o jurisdiction_n of_o synod_n it_o appear_v both_o by_o his_o practice_n he_o 9_o he_o theod._n hist_o eccl._n l._n 5._o c._n 9_o himself_o be_v present_a with_o damasus_n britto_n valerian_n and_o other_o bishop_n at_o the_o synod_n hold_v at_o rome_n for_o the_o censure_n of_o apollinaris_n and_o timotheus_n his_o disciple_n and_o by_o his_o theoph._n his_o amb._n tom._n 3._o epi._n l._n 10._o ep_n 78._o ad_fw-la theoph._n exhortation_n give_v unto_o theophilus_n and_o other_o to_o judge_v the_o cause_n of_o euagrius_n and_o flavianus_n be_v depute_v thereunto_o by_o the_o synod_n of_o capua_n and_o again_o by_o his_o any_o his_o ib._n epi._n 79._o ad_fw-la theoph_n &_o any_o exhortation_n give_v unto_o theophilus_n &_o anysius_n that_o they_o be_v choose_v by_o the_o same_o synod_n of_o capua_n will_v give_v sentence_n touch_v bonosus_n and_o his_o accuser_n forasmuch_o as_o the_o synod_n have_v give_v this_o authority_n unto_o they_o and_o they_o do_v now_o supply_v the_o place_n thereof_o with_o ambrose_n he_o join_v patr_n join_v in_o orat_fw-la fun_n de_fw-fr patr_n nazianzen_n to_o testify_v also_o that_o a_o senate_n or_o assembly_n of_o elder_n do_v with_o spiritual_a bridle_n order_n man_n but_o in_o the_o place_n allege_v i_o find_v no_o such_o testimony_n as_o be_v mention_v and_o therefore_o the_o three_o first_o answer_n make_v before_o unto_o the_o testimony_n from_o ambrose_n may_v also_o serve_v for_o nazianzen_n and_o further_o that_o gregory_n nazianzen_n do_v not_o limit_v all_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o jurisdiction_n unto_o a_o particular_a congregation_n only_o it_o may_v appear_v if_o we_o observe_v i._n how_o 17._o how_o soc._n hist_o ecc._n l._n 4._o c._n 21._o sozom._n hist_o ecc._n l._n 6._o c._n 17._o he_o himself_o be_v make_v bishop_n of_o constantinople_n by_o the_o suffrage_n of_o many_o bishop_n meet_v together_o which_o be_v a_o further_a degree_n of_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n then_o that_o which_o be_v exercise_v in_o the_o class_n or_o synod_n of_o these_o country_n ii_o how_o he_o plead_v clidon_n plead_v nazian_n epist_n 1._o ad_fw-la clidon_n from_o a_o synodall_n law_n touch_v the_o receyve_v of_o those_o that_o be_v fall_v iii_o how_o he_o allow_v the_o order_n of_o convocate_a and_o assemble_v neighbour_n bishop_n about_o the_o create_v of_o a_o new_a bishop_n affirm_v this_o to_o be_v caesarien_n be_v epi._n 30._o ad_fw-la caesarien_n right_a and_o according_a to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a law_n iv_o how_o he_o in_o his_o counsel_n and_o exhortation_n unto_o the_o synod_n at_o constantinope_n 8._o constantinope_n theod._n hist_o eccl._n l._n 5._o c._n 8._o asscribe_v unto_o they_o authority_n and_o power_n for_o his_o own_o dimission_n and_o translation_n for_o the_o set_n of_o another_o unblameable_a bishop_n in_o his_o place_n and_o thereby_o withal_o for_o the_o deposition_n and_o abdication_n of_o maximus_n which_o be_v according_o perform_v that_o which_o may_v with_o more_o colour_n be_v object_v out_o of_o nazianzen_n against_o the_o use_n of_o synod_n and_o which_o be_v also_o allege_a both_o by_o mr_n can_n and_o by_o mr_n davenp_n though_o not_o direct_o against_o the_o 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falsehood_n oppose_v itself_o more_o bold_o unto_o the_o truth_n then_o explain_v and_o open_o defend_v whereupon_o after_o that_o synod_n which_o none_o excel_v great_a incommodity_n do_v arise_v from_o the_o wickedness_n of_o man_n etc._n etc._n when_o nazianz._n see_v so_o wicked_a disposition_n of_o man_n he_o be_v whole_o turn_v from_o counsel_n although_o without_o doubt_n he_o disallow_v not_o the_o thing_n itself_o but_o the_o wicked_a endeavour_n of_o man_n now_o if_o any_o will_v reason_v after_o this_o manner_n the_o issue_n of_o synod_n be_v not_o good_a or_o more_o evil_n follow_v thence_o therefore_o synod_n be_v to_o be_v avoid_v that_o man_n shall_v dispute_v deceitful_o from_o a_o wrong_a cause_n from_o accident_n and_o from_o the_o fallacy_n of_o consequent_a but_o nazianzen_n be_v to_o be_v pardon_v because_o he_o live_v in_o the_o worst_a and_o most_o turbulent_a time_n of_o the_o church_n when_o by_o mean_n of_o valens_n the_o emperor_n that_o degenerate_v from_o the_o catholic_n faith_n heretic_n do_v more_o prevail_v etc._n etc._n again_o he_o oppose_v augustine_n unto_o nazianzene_n and_o say_v it_o be_v most_o true_a which_o augustine_n say_v epist_n 118._o that_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v most_o wholesome_a which_o certain_o he_o will_v not_o have_v say_v if_o he_o have_v be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n with_o nazianzen_n and_o further_o he_o oppose_v unto_o the_o speech_n of_o nazianz._n the_o testimony_n of_o christ_n say_v christ_n himself_o pronounce_v and_o promise_v matt._n 18.20_o where_o two_o or_o three_o be_v assemble_v together_o in_o his_o name_n there_o he_o will_v be_v in_o the_o midst_n of_o they_o in_o which_o word_n he_o signifi_v that_o the_o assembly_n and_o synod_n of_o godly_a and_o religious_a man_n undertake_v and_o appoint_v for_o godly_a cause_n be_v not_o displease_v unto_o he_o iii_o the_o testimony_n of_o nazianzen_n be_v as_o much_o against_o the_o opinion_n of_o mr_n can_n and_o mr_n dau._n as_o against_o that_o which_o we_o hold_v touch_v class_n and_o synod_n for_o see_v they_o allow_v such_o meeting_n for_o counsel_n and_o admonition_n though_o not_o for_o exercise_v of_o any_o jurisdiction_n and_o see_v the_o testimony_n of_o nazian_n do_v extend_v itself_o to_o all_o kind_n of_o assembly_n of_o bishop_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d whether_o for_o counsel_n or_o censure_n without_o exception_n of_o one_o sort_n more_o than_o another_o therefore_o he_o no_o more_o condemn_v our_o synod_n than_o those_o which_o my_o opposite_n allow_v augustine_n his_o next_o witness_n be_v in_o like_a manner_n pervert_v as_o the_o former_a though_o he_o in_o the_o place_n 17._o place_n dedoct_n chr._n l._n 1._o c._n 17._o object_v do_v write_v that_o the_o key_n be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n yet_o do_v he_o not_o thereby_o exclude_v synod_n gather_v together_o in_o the_o name_n of_o

of_o the_o apostle_n 1._o cor._n 11.16_o to_o what_o end_n else_o be_v those_o manifold_a proof_n and_o allegation_n which_o mr_n c._n have_v take_v from_o author_n of_o all_o time_n to_o show_v as_o he_o etc._n he_o ch._n pl._n p._n 77-81-89_a etc._n etc._n pretend_v their_o consent_n with_o he_o and_o that_o his_o opinion_n may_v not_o be_v think_v a_o novelty_n 11._o the_o due_a power_n of_o class_n &_o synod_n be_v not_o ground_v upon_o the_o ancient_a exercise_n of_o it_o neither_o be_v this_o make_v a_o argument_n to_o prove_v the_o lawfulness_n thereof_o it_o be_v only_o allege_v to_o show_v that_o other_o also_o profess_v subjection_n unto_o the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n have_v in_o like_a manner_n understand_v the_o divine_a warrant_n for_o the_o exercise_n of_o such_o government_n in_o the_o church_n the_o antiquity_n whereupon_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o this_o combine_a polity_n do_v rest_n be_v that_o which_o it_o claim_v from_o the_o law_n and_o the_o gospel_n as_o have_v be_v show_v 4._o show_v ch._n 2.3_o 4._o before_o i._o c._n answ._n ii_o housoever_o mr_n paget_n for_o the_o credit_n of_o his_o cause_n name_v it_o the_o old_a &_o ancient_a discipline_n yet_o sure_o i_o be_o to_o prove_v it_o so_o he_o never_o will_v nor_o can_v there_o be_v many_o and_o i_o think_v he_o know_v it_o which_o do_v affirm_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a government_n by_o class_n and_o synod_n be_v a_o weed_n that_o grow_v many_o year_n after_o the_o apostle_n a_o late_a devise_n 387_o devise_n bilson_n perp_v gov_fw-mi c._n 16._o p_o 387_o and_o that_o in_o all_o antiquity_n there_o do_v not_o appear_v any_o one_o step_n thereof_o 138._o thereof_o sutclif_n discipl_n c._n 8._o p._n 138._o also_o that_o at_o geneva_n subject_v of_o church_n to_o this_o order_n first_o begin_v 94._o begin_v bancrost_a surv_v c._n 22._o p._n 353._o comp._n ch._n p._n 91_o 93_o 94._o and_o before_o calvin_n come_v there_o every_o congregation_n be_v free_a in_o itself_o pref._n itself_o hook_n ecc._n polit._n pref._n repl._n 1_o these_o testimony_n do_v not_o speak_v of_o synod_n and_o the_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n exercise_v by_o they_o what_o truth_n be_v there_o then_o in_o mr_n cannes_n word_v when_o he_o say_v they_o affirm_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a government_n exercise_v by_o class_n and_o synod_n be_v a_o weed_n etc._n etc._n 11._o the_o distinction_n which_o these_o author_n make_v betwixt_o class_n and_o synod_n as_o it_o be_v ungrounded_a and_o insufficient_a to_o prove_v the_o one_o less_o lawful_a or_o ancient_a than_o the_o other_o so_o it_o can_v least_o of_o all_o serve_n mr_n cannes_n purpose_n see_v the_o chief_a cause_n why_o they_o disallow_v class_n be_v because_o they_o exclude_v hierarchicall_a authority_n not_o simple_o because_o they_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n which_o be_v the_o main_a ground_n whereupon_o mr_n c._n do_v oppose_v they_o iii_o the_o place_n quote_v out_o of_o d._n bilson_n where_o he_o object_v unto_o some_o their_o own_o device_n be_v not_o proper_o direct_v against_o classical_a government_n and_o he_o seem_v to_o intend_v it_o principal_o against_o lay-elders_a as_o they_o call_v they_o as_o appear_v by_o that_o which_o follow_v 388_o follow_v perpet_n gou._n p._n 388_o in_o his_o book_n but_o to_o show_v how_o far_o he_o be_v from_o utter_v any_o thing_n that_o may_v either_o disprove_v the_o ancient_a use_n of_o synod_n or_o favour_n independent_a church-government_n and_o the_o pretend_a antiquity_n thereof_o mark_v what_o he_o say_v elsewhere_o 376._o elsewhere_o ibid._n p._n 376._o there_o be_v no_o christian_a realm_n nor_o age_n wherein_o the_o use_n of_o synod_n have_v not_o be_v think_v needful_a etc._n etc._n as_o appear_v by_o the_o council_n that_o have_v be_v keep_v in_o all_o kingdom_n and_o country_n since_o the_o apostle_n time_n when_o any_o matter_n of_o moment_n come_v in_o question_n which_o be_v extant_a to_o this_o day_n and_o likewise_o by_o the_o synod_n that_o every_o nation_n and_o province_n do_v yearly_a celebrate_v according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o great_a nicene_n &_o chalcedon_n council_n which_o can_v be_v number_v &_o be_v not_o record_v etc._n etc._n and_o unless_o you_o give_v the_o pastor_n and_o presbyter_n of_o every_o parish_n full_a &_o free_a power_n to_o profess_v what_o religion_n they_o best_o like_v to_o offer_v what_o wrong_v they_o will_v to_o use_v what_o impiety_n and_o tyranny_n they_o themselves_o lift_v without_o any_o restraintor_n redress_n which_o be_v a_o heathenish_a if_o not_o a_o hellish_a confusion_n you_o must_v where_o there_o be_v no_o christian_a magistrate_n etc._n etc._n yield_v that_o liberty_n to_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n which_o every_o humane_a society_n have_v by_o the_o principle_n of_o nature_n to_o wit_n that_o the_o whole_a may_v guide_v each_o part_n &_o the_o great_a number_n over-rule_v the_o lesser_a which_o without_o assemble_v in_o synod_n can_v be_v do_v 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