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their_o power_n can_v we_o seek_v for_o this_o same_o authority_n of_o synod_n be_v in_o like_a manner_n prove_v by_o that_o which_o 334._o which_o pol._n eccl._n lib._n 3._o p._n 108_o 126._o 334._o mr_n parker_n to_o like_a purpose_n witness_v together_o with_o d._n whitak_n and_o other_o ii_o mr_n can_v here_o do_v yet_o blame_v our_o practice_n in_o deprive_v the_o church_n of_o her_o right_n and_o the_o people_n of_o their_o interest_n and_o be_v so_o eager_a in_o seek_v to_o blame_v the_o manner_n of_o our_o keep_a synod_n that_o unaware_o he_o have_v yield_v we_o the_o matter_n itself_o about_o which_o we_o dispute_v viz._n a_o authority_n of_o give_v sentence_n and_o not_o only_o a_o give_v of_o counsel_n by_o synod_n his_o reprehension_n be_v that_o mr_n paget_n and_o other_o do_v otherwise_o practice_v but_o who_o be_v those_o other_o beside_o i_o why_o do_v he_o not_o name_v they_o as_o well_o as_o i_o be_v they_o any_o other_o than_o all_o the_o know_v reform_a and_o 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of_o many_o thousand_o but_o rather_o the_o multitude_n of_o such_o special_a person_n as_o be_v meet_v in_o the_o synod_n so_o beza_n interprete_v it_o 15.12_o it_o annot._n maj_o in_o n.t._n in_o act._n 15.12_o multitudinis_fw-la autem_fw-la nomine_fw-la intellige_fw-la non_fw-la totam_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la etc._n etc._n by_o the_o name_n of_o the_o multitude_n understand_v not_o the_o whole_a church_n which_o be_v not_o yet_o whole_o adjoin_v but_o the_o whole_a company_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o elder_n as_o appear_v before_o from_o the_o 6_o verse_n etc._n etc._n piscator_fw-la likewise_o 15.12_o likewise_o schol._n in_o act._n 15.12_o approve_v this_o interpretation_n and_o add_v some_o further_a light_n unto_o it_o from_o the_o reference_n of_o the_o greek_a article_n though_o he_o also_o give_v liberty_n for_o another_o interpretation_n so_o for_o that_o phrase_n the_o whole_a church_n mention_v vers_fw-la 22._o junius_n 1._o junius_n animad_fw-la in_o contr._n 4._o de_fw-fr conc._n l._n 1._o c._n 15._o n._n 19_o etc._n etc._n 16._o n._n 1._o expound_v the_o same_o of_o the_o elder_n and_o deacon_n or_o the_o whole_a clerus_fw-la or_o clergy_n serve_v that_o church_n these_o say_v he_o be_v design_v by_o the_o common_a name_n of_o the_o church_n calvine_n also_o 15.6_o also_o come_v in_o act._n 15.6_o write_v to_o the_o same_o purpose_n luke_n say_v not_o that_o the_o whole_a church_n be_v gather_v together_o but_o those_o that_o be_v man_n of_o learning_n and_o judgement_n and_o which_o by_o virtue_n of_o their_o office_n be_v lawful_a judge_n of_o this_o cause_n it_o may_v be_v indeed_o that_o the_o disputation_n be_v before_o the_o people_n but_o lest_o any_o man_n shall_v think_v that_o the_o common_a people_n be_v promiscuous_o admit_v to_o handle_v the_o cause_n luke_n express_o name_v the_o apostle_n and_o elder_n as_o more_o sit_v to_o take_v cognition_n thereof_o ii_o we_o grant_v that_o beside_o minister_n and_o elder_n other_o member_n of_o the_o church_n may_v have_v suffrage_n or_o voice_n and_o give_v sentence_n in_o synod_n as_o well_o as_o those_o that_o be_v officer_n always_o provide_v that_o they_o be_v lawful_o depute_v and_o send_v thereunto_o thus_o d._n whitaker_n explain_v himself_o touch_v his_o allowance_n of_o lay-man_n to_o have_v voice_n in_o synod_n and_o say_v 92._o say_v de_fw-fr conc._n qu._n 3._o c._n 2._o p._n 92._o every_o man_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v admit_v into_o the_o synod_n nor_o to_o speak_v therein_o but_o he_o that_o shall_v be_v choose_v of_o the_o church_n and_o design_v thereunto_o again_o he_o say_v 103._o say_v ibid._n c._n 3._o p._n 103._o not_o only_o bishop_n be_v to_o be_v choose_v of_o the_o church_n to_o be_v send_v unto_o synod_n but_o other_o godly_a prudent_a &_o learned_a man_n which_o happy_o can_v dispute_v more_o skilful_o and_o inquire_v into_o controversy_n better_o than_o the_o bishop_n whosoever_o be_v send_v of_o the_o church_n he_o represent_v the_o church_n and_o 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at_o frankford_n for_o whereas_o g._n johnson_n in_o a_o peculiar_a 21-73_a peculiar_a disc_n of_o troub_v in_o the_o banish_v english_a church_n at_o amsterd_n p._n 21-73_a treatise_n which_o he_o write_v against_o his_o brother_n franc._n johnson_n and_o that_o church_n of_o the_o brownist_n whereof_o he_o be_v pastor_n have_v compare_v the_o trouble_n of_o these_o two_o church_n together_o in_o the_o first_o part_n of_o this_o treatise_n which_o be_v entitle_v the_o agreement_n between_o the_o banish_a english_a church_n at_o frankford_n in_o q._n mary_n day_n and_o some_o trouble_n in_o the_o banish_a english_a church_n at_o amsterdam_n in_o q._n elizabeth_n day_n he_o bring_v more_o than_o a_o 100_o several_a instance_n to_o show_v that_o where_o any_o disorder_n scandal_n or_o offence_n be_v in_o the_o english_a church_n at_o frankford_n the_o like_a evil_n scandal_n and_o offence_n be_v also_o to_o be_v find_v and_o observe_v in_o the_o english_a church_n of_o the_o separatist_n in_o amsterdam_n and_o in_o the_o second_o part_n of_o this_o treatise_n entitle_v 73-93_a entitle_v ibid._n p._n 73-93_a difference_n between_o the_o pastor_n elder_n &_o people_n in_o the_o trouble_n at_o frankford_n in_o q._n mary_n day_n and_o the_o pastor_n elder_n and_o people_n in_o the_o trouble_n at_o amsterdam_n in_o q._n elizabeth_n day_n he_o bring_v more_o than_o 20_o several_a instance_n to_o show_v that_o the_o english_a church_n of_o the_o separation_n be_v worse_a than_o the_o other_o and_o that_o where_o divers_a good_a order_n and_o practice_n be_v in_o the_o english_a church_n at_o frankford_n the_o same_o be_v want_v in_o the_o church_n of_o the_o brownist_n at_o amsterdam_n and_o in_o particular_a let_v this_o be_v observe_v that_o concern_v the_o english_a church_n at_o frankford_n g._n johnson_n 74._o johnson_n p._n 74._o allege_v that_o there_o be_v agreement_n among_o they_o that_o the_o matter_n shall_v be_v decide_v by_o learned_a man_n but_o concern_v those_o at_o amsterdam_n he_o say_v these_o differ_v far_o from_o they_o herein_o they_o will_v not_o consent_v hereunto_o they_o will_v not_o be_v persuade_v or_o entreat_v to_o let_v the_o reform_a church_n hear_v try_v judge_n and_o end_v the_o controversy_n between_o they_o and_o we_o for_o proof_n hereof_o he_o note_v in_o his_o margin_n this_o be_v witness_v by_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o dutch_a preacher_n give_v to_o the_o pastor_n father_n now_o instead_o of_o plead_v from_o the_o order_n of_o that_o church_n at_o frankford_n it_o have_v be_v fit_a for_o mr_n can_n to_o have_v take_v warning_n from_o these_o unparallelled_a offence_n of_o his_o predecessor_n not_o to_o maintain_v the_o like_a disorder_n or_o else_o to_o have_v answer_v these_o parallel_n and_o censure_n of_o g._n johnson_n and_o so_o to_o have_v remove_v if_o he_o can_v the_o scandal_n and_o blame_n which_o have_v so_o long_o lie_v upon_o his_o fellow_n for_o not_o answer_v this_o book_n have_v consider_v the_o particular_a testimony_n of_o nonconformist_n and_o how_o they_o have_v be_v pervert_v by_o mr_n can_n in_o apply_v they_o against_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n it_o shall_v not_o be_v amiss_o to_o add_v yet_o further_o a_o threefold_a testimony_n to_o manifest_v this_o point_n more_o clear_o and_o full_o and_o so_o to_o conclude_v this_o section_n namely_o by_o the_o petition_n of_o nonconformist_n to_o qu._n elizabeth_n and_o to_o the_o parliament_n the_o opposition_n of_o the_o prelate_n to_o the_o nonconformist_n &_o the_o scorn_n of_o the_o brownist_n against_o nonconformist_n first_o when_o as_o the_o minister_n have_v make_v request_n unto_o q._n elizabeth_n for_o reformation_n of_o thing_n amiss_o show_v how_o controversy_n may_v be_v compound_v they_o say_v 3._o say_v petit._n to_o the_o q._n most_o excellent_a maj._n p._n 3._o that_o a_o free_a nationall_n or_o provincial_n council_n at_o home_n be_v much_o to_o be_v wish_v etc._n etc._n and_o in_o a_o treatise_n annex_v thereunto_o entitle_v opinion_n of_o such_o as_o sue_v for_o reformation_n among_o other_o thing_n which_o they_o hold_v &_o sue_v for_o this_o be_v one_o 57_o one_o ibid._n §_o 19_o p_o 57_o that_o if_o any_o dissension_n grow_v or_o cause_v of_o grievance_n be_v give_v in_o any_o particular_a church_n by_o the_o minister_n or_o officer_n the_o party_n grieve_v may_v appeal_v to_o a_o particular_a synod_n from_o the_o particular_a synod_n to_o a_o provincial_n synod_n from_o a_o provincial_n synod_n to_o a_o nationall_n synod_n which_o synod_n shall_v be_v appoint_v at_o set_a time_n the_o more_o particular_a the_o synod_n be_v the_o more_o often_o for_o the_o time_n to_o be_v moderate_v by_o some_o fit_a man_n changeable_o by_o election_n that_o may_v write_v speak_v and_o pray_v in_o the_o behalf_n and_o at_o the_o direction_n of_o the_o rest_n etc._n etc._n and_o a_o little_a after_o again_o 21._o again_o §_o 21._o they_o do_v profess_v and_o protest_v that_o they_o can_v and_o will_v avow_v this_o reformation_n which_o they_o desire_v to_o be_v most_o agreeable_a to_o the_o scripture_n to_o have_v the_o testimony_n of_o the_o best_a &_o most_o learned_a man_n that_o have_v be_v since_o the_o apostle_n etc._n etc._n if_o mr_n ca._n will_v not_o wink_v with_o his_o eye_n he_o may_v here_o see_v what_o reformation_n have_v be_v seek_v and_o hold_v needful_a and_o that_o jure_fw-la divino_fw-la in_o like_a manner_n mr_n travers_n testify_v of_o these_o conference_n or_o class_n &_o synod_n 1617._o synod_n eccles_n disc_n p._n 98._o with_o p_o 103._o 104._o reprin_n 1617._o that_o nothing_o can_v be_v more_o profitable_a than_o these_o assembly_n be_v so_o use_v as_o they_o be_v appoint_v to_o be_v use_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o use_v by_o other_o pure_a and_o better_a reform_a church_n etc._n etc._n and_o conclude_v that_o his_o treatise_n of_o discipline_n with_o a_o humble_a supplication_n unto_o qu._n elizabeth_n of_o happy_a memory_n for_o 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a_o abomination_n to_o the_o lord_n prov._n 12.22_o sect_n vi_o touch_v the_o testimony_n of_o ancient_a father_n counsel_n and_o emperor_n the_o advocate_n of_o w.b._n not_o content_a with_o the_o testimony_n of_o man_n in_o late_a time_n lead_v we_o back_o to_o the_o testimony_n of_o antiquity_n and_o to_o the_o age_n long_o before_o and_o though_o he_o 89._o he_o ch._n pl._n p._n 89._o confess_v he_o have_v do_v it_o already_o in_o mention_v some_o testimony_n of_o the_o most_o ancient_a time_n yet_o notwithstanding_o to_o show_v that_o he_o stand_v not_o for_o any_o novelty_n he_o profess_v again_o he_o will_v show_v that_o the_o best_a approve_a author_n after_o the_o apostle_n be_v direct_o with_o they_o in_o this_o thing_n etc._n etc._n those_o which_o he_o allege_v be_v these_o ignatius_n tertullian_n origen_n cyprian_n eusebius_n athanasius_n epiphanius_n jerome_n ambrose_n cyrill_n hilary_n greg._n nazianzen_n augustine_n chrysostome_n basill_n socrates_n isidorus_n bernard_n 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the_o censure_n of_o deposition_n and_o excommunication_n etc._n etc._n they_o ordain_v 17._o ordain_v p._n 320-326_a syn._n toru_n 1591._o art_n 2_o 3_o 7.14_o 17._o that_o every_o evangelicall_n minister_n be_v not_o only_o to_o have_v and_o to_o read_v the_o canon_n of_o their_o synod_n but_o also_o to_o carry_v himself_o and_o to_o govern_v the_o church_n commit_v unto_o he_o according_a to_o the_o prescript_n thereof_o and_o that_o under_o pain_n of_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n that_o the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n be_v to_o be_v administer_v public_o either_o in_o the_o congregation_n or_o in_o the_o synod_n etc._n etc._n moreover_o it_o be_v worthy_a to_o be_v remember_v how_o the_o church_n of_o the_o netherlands_o even_o at_o that_o time_n when_o they_o be_v scatter_v abroad_o in_o high-dutchland_a and_o eastfriestand_n in_o that_o time_n of_o most_o bloody_a persecution_n under_o the_o government_n of_o duke_n d'_fw-fr alva_n do_v then_o in_o their_o banishment_n 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1_o viz._n amb._n offi._n l._n 1._o c._n 1_o these_o with_o spiritual_a bridle_n order_n man_n etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v i._o in_o the_o place_n allege_v there_o be_v not_o a_o word_n to_o be_v find_v either_o touch_v a_o senate_n of_o elder_n or_o touch_v spiritual_a bridle_n or_o any_o thing_n to_o like_a purpose_n ii_o if_o a_o senate_n of_o elder_n be_v spiritual_a bridle_n than_o the_o brownist_n with_o mr_n c._n that_o now_o want_v such_o a_o senate_n be_v a_o unbridled_a company_n want_v order_n etc._n etc._n iii_o what_o though_o a_o assembly_n of_o elder_n order_n man_n with_o spiritual_a bridle_n be_v there_o therefore_o no_o other_o spiritual_a bridle_n in_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n what_o consequence_n be_v this_o iv_o that_o ambrose_n do_v allow_v the_o authority_n and_o jurisdiction_n of_o synod_n it_o appear_v both_o by_o his_o practice_n he_o 9_o he_o theod._n hist_o eccl._n l._n 5._o c._n 9_o himself_o be_v present_a with_o damasus_n britto_n valerian_n and_o other_o bishop_n at_o the_o synod_n hold_v at_o rome_n for_o the_o censure_n of_o apollinaris_n and_o timotheus_n his_o disciple_n and_o by_o his_o theoph._n his_o amb._n tom._n 3._o epi._n l._n 10._o ep_n 78._o ad_fw-la theoph._n exhortation_n give_v unto_o theophilus_n and_o other_o to_o judge_v the_o cause_n of_o euagrius_n and_o flavianus_n be_v depute_v thereunto_o by_o the_o synod_n of_o capua_n and_o again_o by_o his_o any_o his_o ib._n epi._n 79._o ad_fw-la theoph_n &_o any_o exhortation_n give_v unto_o theophilus_n &_o anysius_n that_o they_o be_v choose_v by_o the_o same_o synod_n of_o capua_n will_v give_v sentence_n touch_v bonosus_n and_o his_o accuser_n forasmuch_o as_o the_o synod_n have_v give_v this_o authority_n unto_o they_o and_o they_o do_v now_o supply_v the_o place_n thereof_o with_o ambrose_n he_o join_v patr_n join_v in_o orat_fw-la fun_n de_fw-fr patr_n nazianzen_n to_o testify_v also_o that_o a_o senate_n or_o assembly_n of_o elder_n do_v with_o spiritual_a bridle_n order_n man_n but_o in_o the_o place_n allege_v i_o find_v no_o such_o testimony_n as_o be_v mention_v and_o therefore_o the_o three_o first_o answer_n make_v before_o unto_o the_o testimony_n from_o ambrose_n may_v also_o serve_v for_o nazianzen_n and_o further_o that_o gregory_n nazianzen_n do_v not_o limit_v all_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o jurisdiction_n unto_o a_o particular_a congregation_n only_o it_o may_v appear_v if_o we_o observe_v i._n how_o 17._o how_o soc._n hist_o ecc._n l._n 4._o c._n 21._o sozom._n hist_o ecc._n l._n 6._o c._n 17._o he_o himself_o be_v make_v bishop_n of_o constantinople_n by_o the_o suffrage_n of_o many_o bishop_n meet_v together_o which_o be_v a_o further_a degree_n of_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n then_o that_o which_o be_v exercise_v in_o the_o class_n or_o synod_n of_o these_o country_n ii_o how_o he_o plead_v clidon_n plead_v nazian_n epist_n 1._o ad_fw-la clidon_n from_o a_o synodall_n law_n touch_v the_o receyve_v of_o those_o that_o be_v fall_v iii_o how_o he_o allow_v the_o order_n of_o convocate_a and_o assemble_v neighbour_n bishop_n about_o the_o create_v of_o a_o new_a bishop_n affirm_v this_o to_o be_v caesarien_n be_v epi._n 30._o ad_fw-la caesarien_n right_a and_o according_a to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a law_n iv_o how_o he_o in_o his_o counsel_n and_o exhortation_n unto_o the_o synod_n at_o constantinope_n 8._o constantinope_n theod._n hist_o eccl._n l._n 5._o c._n 8._o asscribe_v unto_o they_o authority_n and_o power_n for_o his_o own_o dimission_n and_o translation_n for_o the_o set_n of_o another_o unblameable_a bishop_n in_o his_o place_n and_o thereby_o withal_o for_o the_o deposition_n and_o abdication_n of_o maximus_n which_o be_v according_o perform_v that_o which_o may_v with_o more_o colour_n be_v object_v out_o of_o nazianzen_n against_o the_o use_n of_o synod_n and_o which_o be_v also_o allege_a both_o by_o mr_n can_n and_o by_o mr_n davenp_n though_o not_o direct_o against_o the_o 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falsehood_n oppose_v itself_o more_o bold_o unto_o the_o truth_n then_o explain_v and_o open_o defend_v whereupon_o after_o that_o synod_n which_o none_o excel_v great_a incommodity_n do_v arise_v from_o the_o wickedness_n of_o man_n etc._n etc._n when_o nazianz._n see_v so_o wicked_a disposition_n of_o man_n he_o be_v whole_o turn_v from_o counsel_n although_o without_o doubt_n he_o disallow_v not_o the_o thing_n itself_o but_o the_o wicked_a endeavour_n of_o man_n now_o if_o any_o will_v reason_v after_o this_o manner_n the_o issue_n of_o synod_n be_v not_o good_a or_o more_o evil_n follow_v thence_o therefore_o synod_n be_v to_o be_v avoid_v that_o man_n shall_v dispute_v deceitful_o from_o a_o wrong_a cause_n from_o accident_n and_o from_o the_o fallacy_n of_o consequent_a but_o nazianzen_n be_v to_o be_v pardon_v because_o he_o live_v in_o the_o worst_a and_o most_o turbulent_a time_n of_o the_o church_n when_o by_o mean_n of_o valens_n the_o emperor_n that_o degenerate_v from_o the_o catholic_n faith_n heretic_n do_v more_o prevail_v etc._n etc._n again_o he_o oppose_v augustine_n unto_o nazianzene_n and_o say_v it_o be_v most_o true_a which_o augustine_n say_v epist_n 118._o that_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v most_o wholesome_a which_o certain_o he_o will_v not_o have_v say_v if_o he_o have_v be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n with_o nazianzen_n and_o further_o he_o oppose_v unto_o the_o speech_n of_o nazianz._n the_o testimony_n of_o christ_n say_v christ_n himself_o pronounce_v and_o promise_v matt._n 18.20_o where_o two_o or_o three_o be_v assemble_v together_o in_o his_o name_n there_o he_o will_v be_v in_o the_o midst_n of_o they_o in_o which_o word_n he_o signifi_v that_o the_o assembly_n and_o synod_n of_o godly_a and_o religious_a man_n undertake_v and_o appoint_v for_o godly_a cause_n be_v not_o displease_v unto_o he_o iii_o the_o testimony_n of_o nazianzen_n be_v as_o much_o against_o the_o opinion_n of_o mr_n can_n and_o mr_n dau._n as_o against_o that_o which_o we_o hold_v touch_v class_n and_o synod_n for_o see_v they_o allow_v such_o meeting_n for_o counsel_n and_o admonition_n though_o not_o for_o exercise_v of_o any_o jurisdiction_n and_o see_v the_o testimony_n of_o nazian_n do_v extend_v itself_o to_o all_o kind_n of_o assembly_n of_o bishop_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d whether_o for_o counsel_n or_o censure_n without_o exception_n of_o one_o sort_n more_o than_o another_o therefore_o he_o no_o more_o condemn_v our_o synod_n than_o those_o which_o my_o opposite_n allow_v augustine_n his_o next_o witness_n be_v in_o like_a manner_n pervert_v as_o the_o former_a though_o he_o in_o the_o place_n 17._o place_n dedoct_n chr._n l._n 1._o c._n 17._o object_v do_v write_v that_o the_o key_n be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n yet_o do_v he_o not_o thereby_o exclude_v synod_n gather_v together_o in_o the_o name_n of_o
of_o the_o apostle_n 1._o cor._n 11.16_o to_o what_o end_n else_o be_v those_o manifold_a proof_n and_o allegation_n which_o mr_n c._n have_v take_v from_o author_n of_o all_o time_n to_o show_v as_o he_o etc._n he_o ch._n pl._n p._n 77-81-89_a etc._n etc._n pretend_v their_o consent_n with_o he_o and_o that_o his_o opinion_n may_v not_o be_v think_v a_o novelty_n 11._o the_o due_a power_n of_o class_n &_o synod_n be_v not_o ground_v upon_o the_o ancient_a exercise_n of_o it_o neither_o be_v this_o make_v a_o argument_n to_o prove_v the_o lawfulness_n thereof_o it_o be_v only_o allege_v to_o show_v that_o other_o also_o profess_v subjection_n unto_o the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n have_v in_o like_a manner_n understand_v the_o divine_a warrant_n for_o the_o exercise_n of_o such_o government_n in_o the_o church_n the_o antiquity_n whereupon_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o this_o combine_a polity_n do_v rest_n be_v that_o which_o it_o claim_v from_o the_o law_n and_o the_o gospel_n as_o have_v be_v show_v 4._o show_v ch._n 2.3_o 4._o before_o i._o c._n answ._n ii_o housoever_o mr_n paget_n for_o the_o credit_n of_o his_o cause_n name_v it_o the_o old_a &_o ancient_a discipline_n yet_o sure_o i_o be_o to_o prove_v it_o so_o he_o never_o will_v nor_o can_v there_o be_v many_o and_o i_o think_v he_o know_v it_o which_o do_v affirm_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a government_n by_o class_n and_o synod_n be_v a_o weed_n that_o grow_v many_o year_n after_o the_o apostle_n a_o late_a devise_n 387_o devise_n bilson_n perp_v gov_fw-mi c._n 16._o p_o 387_o and_o that_o in_o all_o antiquity_n there_o do_v not_o appear_v any_o one_o step_n thereof_o 138._o thereof_o sutclif_n discipl_n c._n 8._o p._n 138._o also_o that_o at_o geneva_n subject_v of_o church_n to_o this_o order_n first_o begin_v 94._o begin_v bancrost_a surv_v c._n 22._o p._n 353._o comp._n ch._n p._n 91_o 93_o 94._o and_o before_o calvin_n come_v there_o every_o congregation_n be_v free_a in_o itself_o pref._n itself_o hook_n ecc._n polit._n pref._n repl._n 1_o these_o testimony_n do_v not_o speak_v of_o synod_n and_o the_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n exercise_v by_o they_o what_o truth_n be_v there_o then_o in_o mr_n cannes_n word_v when_o he_o say_v they_o affirm_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a government_n exercise_v by_o class_n and_o synod_n be_v a_o weed_n etc._n etc._n 11._o the_o distinction_n which_o these_o author_n make_v betwixt_o class_n and_o synod_n as_o it_o be_v ungrounded_a and_o insufficient_a to_o prove_v the_o one_o less_o lawful_a or_o ancient_a than_o the_o other_o so_o it_o can_v least_o of_o all_o serve_n mr_n cannes_n purpose_n see_v the_o chief_a cause_n why_o they_o disallow_v class_n be_v because_o they_o exclude_v hierarchicall_a authority_n not_o simple_o because_o they_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n which_o be_v the_o main_a ground_n whereupon_o mr_n c._n do_v oppose_v they_o iii_o the_o place_n quote_v out_o of_o d._n bilson_n where_o he_o object_v unto_o some_o their_o own_o device_n be_v not_o proper_o direct_v against_o classical_a government_n and_o he_o seem_v to_o intend_v it_o principal_o against_o lay-elders_a as_o they_o call_v they_o as_o appear_v by_o that_o which_o follow_v 388_o follow_v perpet_n gou._n p._n 388_o in_o his_o book_n but_o to_o show_v how_o far_o he_o be_v from_o utter_v any_o thing_n that_o may_v either_o disprove_v the_o ancient_a use_n of_o synod_n or_o favour_n independent_a church-government_n and_o the_o pretend_a antiquity_n thereof_o mark_v what_o he_o say_v elsewhere_o 376._o elsewhere_o ibid._n p._n 376._o there_o be_v no_o christian_a realm_n nor_o age_n wherein_o the_o use_n of_o synod_n have_v not_o be_v think_v needful_a etc._n etc._n as_o appear_v by_o the_o council_n that_o have_v be_v keep_v in_o all_o kingdom_n and_o country_n since_o the_o apostle_n time_n when_o any_o matter_n of_o moment_n come_v in_o question_n which_o be_v extant_a to_o this_o day_n and_o likewise_o by_o the_o synod_n that_o every_o nation_n and_o province_n do_v yearly_a celebrate_v according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o great_a nicene_n &_o chalcedon_n council_n which_o can_v be_v number_v &_o be_v not_o record_v etc._n etc._n and_o unless_o you_o give_v the_o pastor_n and_o presbyter_n of_o every_o parish_n full_a &_o free_a power_n to_o profess_v what_o religion_n they_o best_o like_v to_o offer_v what_o wrong_v they_o will_v to_o use_v what_o impiety_n and_o tyranny_n they_o themselves_o lift_v without_o any_o restraintor_n redress_n which_o be_v a_o heathenish_a if_o not_o a_o hellish_a confusion_n you_o must_v where_o there_o be_v no_o christian_a magistrate_n etc._n etc._n yield_v that_o liberty_n to_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n which_o every_o humane_a society_n have_v by_o the_o principle_n of_o nature_n to_o wit_n that_o the_o whole_a may_v guide_v each_o part_n &_o the_o great_a number_n over-rule_v the_o lesser_a which_o without_o assemble_v in_o synod_n can_v be_v do_v again_o he_o profess_v his_o judgement_n touch_v the_o danger_n and_o novelty_n of_o independency_n when_o he_o say_v 378._o say_v ibid._n p._n 378._o in_o question_n of_o faith_n matter_n of_o faction_n offer_v of_o wrong_n breach_n of_o all_o order_n &_o equity_n shall_v each_o place_n &_o presbytery_n be_v free_a to_o teach_v &_o do_v what_o they_o please_v without_o depend_v on_o or_o so_o much_o as_o confer_v with_o the_o rest_n of_o their_o brethren_n call_v you_o that_o the_o discipline_n of_o christ_n church_n &_o not_o rather_o the_o dissolution_n of_o all_o peace_n and_o subversion_n of_o all_o truth_n in_o the_o house_n of_o god_n i_o think_v you_o be_v not_o so_o far_o beside_o yourselves_o that_o you_o strive_v for_o this_o pestilent_a kind_n of_o anarchy_n to_o be_v bring_v into_o the_o world_n our_o age_n be_v giddy_a enough_o without_o this_o frenzy_n to_o put_v they_o forward_o howbeit_o we_o seek_v not_o what_o new_a course_n you_o can_v devise_v after_o fifteen_o 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&_o in_o sumâ—â—â—_n for_o every_o weighty_a business_n of_o which_o assembly_n the_o epistle_n of_o cyprian_a 〈◊〉_d full_a and_o these_o assembly_n what_o be_v they_o else_o but_o classical_a assembly_n the_o exception_n that_o may_v be_v make_v against_o these_o thing_n be_v further_o answer_v by_o mr_n parker_n in_o the_o same_o place_n it_o have_v behoove_v mr_n c._n to_o have_v refute_v mr_n p._n herein_o if_o he_o will_v have_v we_o give_v credit_n to_o this_o assertion_n of_o d._n sutcl_n v._o the_o testimony_n next_o allege_v touch_v geneva_n as_o they_o be_v untrue_a in_o regard_n of_o the_o state_n of_o those_o church_n so_o they_o be_v unjust_o apply_v against_o class_n and_o synod_n see_v as_o mr_n par._n say_v and_o acknowledge_v with_o d._n sutcl_n that_o 361.362_o that_o ibid._n p._n 361.362_o geneva_n have_v neither_o class_n nor_o synod_n because_o their_o territory_n be_v so_o small_a
one_o minister_n or_o elder_a great_a authority_n than_o another_o but_o their_o question_n be_v determine_v by_o most_o voice_n and_o they_o be_v all_o mutual_o &_o equal_o subject_a unto_o one_o another_o in_o the_o lord_n iu_o this_o government_n of_o church_n by_o class_n do_v not_o deprive_v particular_a church_n &_o congregation_n of_o their_o liberty_n &_o power_n but_o serve_v to_o direct_v &_o strengthen_v they_o in_o the_o right_a use_n &_o exercise_v of_o their_o power_n for_o example_n when_o a_o particular_a church_n with_o their_o elder_n or_o the_o great_a part_n of_o they_o agree_v together_o to_o choose_v a_o minister_n that_o be_v offensive_a or_o unfit_a for_o they_o if_o the_o classis_fw-la upon_o due_a consideration_n of_o the_o matter_n do_v disannul_v their_o election_n &_o hinder_v their_o proceed_n yet_o do_v they_o not_o hereby_o deprive_v they_o of_o their_o liberty_n nor_o take_v from_o they_o their_o privilege_n of_o election_n forasmuch_o as_o they_o do_v still_o leave_v unto_o they_o a_o freedom_n to_o choose_v another_o fit_a minister_n they_o do_v not_o in_o this_o case_n go_v about_o to_o choose_v for_o they_o or_o to_o obtrude_v upon_o they_o another_o minister_n against_o their_o will_n but_o only_o exhort_v they_o to_o use_v their_o power_n and_o liberty_n aright_o and_o to_o show_v more_o care_n and_o godly_a wisdom_n in_o seek_v out_o such_o a_o one_o as_o may_v be_v more_o inoffensive_a &_o fit_a for_o the_o edification_n of_o their_o church_n against_o this_o authority_n of_o class_n and_o synod_n divers_a opposite_n have_v rise_v up_o and_o have_v plead_v for_o a_o new_a kind_n of_o discipline_n contrary_a to_o the_o order_n of_o all_o reform_a church_n and_o contrary_a to_o that_o reformation_n which_o the_o ancient_a nonconformist_n in_o england_n have_v so_o much_o desire_v &_o labour_v for_o and_o yet_o many_o of_o these_o opposite_n do_v in_o the_o mean_a time_n in_o general_a term_n seem_v to_o 94._o to_o mr_n jacob_n in_o his_o auestation_n of_o church-gov_a p._n 118._o &_o 178._o church_n plea._n p._n 94._o embrace_v synod_n and_o great_o to_o approve_v of_o the_o benefit_n that_o come_v by_o they_o but_o herein_o be_v the_o point_n of_o difference_n that_o they_o do_v limit_n &_o confine_v all_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n within_o the_o bound_n of_o a_o particular_a congregation_n though_o they_o acknowledge_v synod_n to_o be_v lawful_a expedient_a and_o necessary_a yet_o this_o they_o hold_v to_o be_v only_o in_o regard_n of_o counsel_n &_o advise_v for_o provocation_n direction_n &_o countenance_n but_o do_v not_o acknowledge_v they_o to_o have_v any_o authority_n to_o give_v sentence_n for_o the_o decision_n of_o cause_n they_o do_v not_o allow_v class_n or_o synod_n to_o use_v any_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n or_o censure_n in_o judge_v the_o controversy_n that_o arise_v in_o particular_a congregation_n they_o maintain_v that_o etc._n that_o church_n plea._n pref_o mr_n dau._n reply_n p._n 229_o etc._n etc._n every_o particular_a congregation_n be_v independent_a not_o stand_v under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o this_o opposition_n of_o class_n &_o synod_n be_v make_v special_o by_o the_o 9_o the_o h._n barrow_n discov_n p._n 190._o 191._o apol._n of_o brown_n pos_fw-la 9_o brownist_n and_o by_o they_o have_v the_o minister_n of_o england_n be_v reproach_v for_o the_o respect_n which_o they_o have_v unto_o synod_n after_o they_o mr_n jacob_n in_o his_o writing_n often_o allow_v they_o for_o counsel_n 33_o counsel_n necess_n of_o reform_v p._n 31_o 32_o 33_o yet_o deny_v the_o power_n &_o authority_n which_o we_o asscribe_v unto_o they_o and_o in_o that_o book_n which_o be_v entitle_v english_a puritanisme_n etc._n puritanisme_n chap._n 2._o art_n 3.6_o etc._n etc._n this_o their_o opinion_n be_v most_o plain_o &_o peremptory_o propound_v and_o now_o also_o mr_n davenp_n though_o he_o 226_o he_o apolog._n repl._n p._n 226_o allow_v a_o combination_n of_o particular_a church_n in_o class_n and_o synod_n and_o such_o a_o consociation_n of_o they_o as_o be_v between_o equal_n and_o be_v by_o way_n of_o counsel_n or_o brotherly_a direction_n yet_o he_o say_v 229._o say_v ibid._n p._n 229._o that_o their_o authority_n be_v not_o a_o prerogative_n of_o jurisdiction_n but_o of_o estimation_n &_o reverence_n rather_o because_o god_n ordinance_n have_v limit_v the_o former_a viz._n jurisdiction_n to_o particular_a church_n as_o his_o delegate_n in_o their_o own_o matter_n &_o it_o be_v not_o in_o their_o power_n to_o alienate_v it_o from_o themselves_o but_o the_o latter_a viz._n estimation_n &_o reverence_n be_v due_a to_o class_n consist_v of_o grave_n learned_a prudent_a and_o faithful_a man_n for_o their_o excellent_a personal_a gift_n in_o which_o respect_n their_o judgement_n be_v to_o be_v much_o value_v &_o receyve_v with_o due_a regard_n but_o if_o any_o do_v asscribe_v unto_o class_n a_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n over_o particular_a church_n and_o that_o in_o thing_n which_o he_o call_v proper_a unto_o themselves_o this_o he_o say_v 230._o say_v ibid._n p._n 230._o be_v to_o subject_v particular_a church_n under_o a_o undue_a power_n this_o he_o call_v a_o usurp_a power_n now_o then_o behold_v what_o this_o estimation_n &_o reverence_n be_v which_o mr_n dau._n allow_v to_o classical_a assembly_n or_o synod_n viz._n not_o so_o much_o power_n as_o be_v allow_v to_o any_o one_o man_n though_o it_o be_v the_o most_o ignorant_a and_o offensive_a that_o be_v a_o member_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n for_o when_o a_o controversy_n arise_v about_o the_o election_n of_o a_o minister_n the_o one_o half_a of_o the_o congregation_n give_v voice_n for_o he_o another_o half_a except_v against_o he_o as_o unsound_a in_o doctrine_n &_o unfit_a for_o they_o if_o a_o whole_a classical_a assembly_n of_o minister_n &_o elder_n depute_v from_o all_o the_o church_n round_o about_o do_v also_o 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repl_n p._n 47._o he_o pretend_v mr_n cartwr_n his_o authority_n to_o prove_v that_o other_o church_n have_v no_o power_n of_o hinder_v a_o faulty_a election_n but_o by_o admonition_n which_o power_n every_o christian_a have_v in_o another_o for_o his_o good_a the_o special_a or_o only_a remedy_n which_o the_o opposite_n fly_v unto_o in_o such_o case_n be_v the_o help_n of_o the_o magistrate_n but_o hereby_o the_o importance_n of_o this_o question_n and_o the_o danger_n of_o despise_v synod_n may_v appear_v though_o they_o hold_v that_o christ_n have_v not_o subject_v any_o church_n or_o congregation_n of_o he_o to_o any_o other_o superior_a ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n then_o unto_o that_o which_o be_v within_o itself_o etc._n etc._n yet_o they_o hold_v 3_o hold_v engl._n purit_fw-la cap._n 2._o §_o 6._o &_o 3_o that_o if_o in_o the_o choice_n of_o minister_n any_o particular_a church_n shall_v err_v that_o none_o upon_o the_o earth_n but_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v power_n 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