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worship_n god_n and_o m._n jewel_n in_o deaf_a apol._n part_n 4._o c._n 4._o divis_fw-la 2._o elias_n think_v all_o the_o godly_a in_o israel_n have_v be_v slay_v and_o not_o one_o leave_v alive_a d._n fulke_o ad_fw-la cavillat_n stapletoni_n it_o sell_v to_o elias_n that_o he_o seem_v to_o be_v leave_v alone_o of_o all_o the_o number_n of_o the_o godly_a which_o sincere_o worship_v god_n m._n hooker_n in_o his_o 3._o book_n of_o eccles_n policy_n pag._n 126_o he_o take_v it_o as_o though_o there_o have_v not_o be_v remain_v in_o the_o world_n any_o beside_o himself_o that_o carry_v a_o true_a and_o a_o upright_a hart_n towards_o god_n with_o care_n to_o serve_v he_o according_a unto_o his_o holy_a will_n d._n sutclife_o lib._n 1._o de_fw-fr eccl._n cap._n 6._o pag._n 95_o the_o church_n in_o elias_n his_o day_n do_v seem_v to_o he_o so_o destroy_v that_o he_o think_v he_o have_v be_v leave_v alone_o d._n whitaker_n cont._n 2_o quest_n 3._o cap._n 3._o pag._n 476_o elias_n think_v 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〈◊〉_d child_n this_o be_v call_v the_o christian_a society_n &_o it_o be_v necessary_a that_o there_o be_v always_o such_o man_n in_o the_o world_n albeit_o of_o they_o there_o be_v only_o two_o or_o three_o or_o child_n alone_o aretius_n in_o locis_fw-la part_n 3._o fol._n 50_o any_o number_n though_o never_o so_o small_a suffice_v to_o the_o church_n for_o external_a matter_n juniuâ—_n count_v 4._o lib._n 3._o cap._n 16_o number_n of_o any_o number_n two_o man_n order_v towards_o god_n be_v a_o church_n d._n whitaker_n count_v 2._o quest_n 3._o cap._n 3._o pag._n 474_o it_o be_v false_a which_o he_o say_v that_o two_o man_n can_v make_v a_o church_n and_o pag._n seq_n he_o grant_v that_o protestant_n teach_v that_o each_o man_n be_v a_o several_a church_n and_o pag._n 478_o only_a of_o two_o only_a if_o in_o the_o most_o forlorn_a time_n of_o the_o church_n there_o be_v one_o or_o another_o faithful_a servant_n of_o god_n it_o be_v enough_o two_o if_o one_o or_o two_o which_o also_o bucanus_n say_v loc_n 41._o de_fw-fr eccles_n sect_n 14._o nay_o luther_n in_o cap._n 7._o gen._n tom_n 7._o fol._n 107._o say_v if_o i_o be_v the_o only_a man_n in_o the_o whole_a world_n who_o do_v hold_v the_o word_n i_o alone_o shall_v be_v the_o church_n alone_a of_o one_o alone_a and_o rivet_v in_o epitome_n cont._n tract_n 1._o sect_n 27._o the_o church_n subsi_v in_o every_o one_o of_o her_o member_n final_o they_o think_v church_n protestant_n believe_v not_o the_o continuance_n of_o their_o church_n that_o their_o church_n and_o religion_n shall_v not_o always_o endure_v for_o thus_o luther_n write_v in_o cap._n 2._o mathaeâ—_n tom_n 4._o fol._n 438_o we_o can_v comfort_v ourselves_o so_o as_o the_o papist_n do_v with_o that_o consolation_n that_o the_o church_n shall_v not_o perish_v for_o whersoever_o we_o cast_v our_o eye_n we_o be_v diverse_o terrify_v the_o fury_n of_o satan_n and_o the_o world_n be_v extreme_a wherewith_o he_o endeavour_v to_o extinguish_v this_o doctrine_n but_o the_o pope_n boast_n and_o that_o with_o full_a mouth_n that_o the_o church_n shall_v not_o perish_v in_o cap._n 55._o isaiae_n fol._n 226_o there_o be_v danger_n lest_o it_o short_o fall_v out_o that_o the_o word_n be_v again_o take_v from_o us._n tom._n 3._o in_o psalm_n grad_v fol._n 489._o alius_fw-la 508_o the_o pope_n obstinate_o keep_v those_o promise_n with_o which_o christ_n do_v comfort_v his_o follower_n that_o he_o will_v be_v with_o they_o to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n that_o s._n peter_n boat_n althought_v it_o be_v in_o danger_n shall_v never_o be_v drown_v but_o the_o true_a protestant_n church_n to_o which_o alone_a that_o be_v say_v do_v not_o so_o believe_v that_o nor_o so_o cheer_v up_o herself_o with_o the_o trust_n of_o those_o promise_n kemnice_n in_o locis_fw-la part_n 1._o tit_n de_fw-fr justificat_fw-la pag._n 216_o i_o often_o tremble_v that_o luther_n oftentimes_o i_o know_v not_o with_o what_o abode_n repeat_v those_o word_n this_o 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protestant_n confess_v their_o church_n and_o religion_n to_o have_v be_v altogether_o invisible_a before_o luther_n appear_v chap._n iu._n 1._o the_o four_o demonstration_n wherewith_o we_o will_v prove_v luther_n to_o have_v be_v the_o author_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n and_o religion_n we_o will_v draw_v out_o of_o that_o which_o they_o confess_v of_o the_o invisibility_n thereof_o before_o luther_n break_v out_o and_o by_o the_o way_n i_o must_v advertise_v the_o reader_n of_o two_o thing_n the_o one_o be_v that_o by_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v only_o the_o man_n who_o be_v of_o the_o church_n but_o their_o society_n in_o religion_n whereby_o they_o make_v a_o church_n wherefore_o those_o protestant_n speak_v not_o to_o the_o purpose_n who_o to_o excuse_v the_o absurdity_n of_o their_o doctrine_n touch_v the_o invisibility_n of_o the_o church_n say_v they_o mean_v not_o that_o the_o man_n whereof_o it_o consist_v be_v invisible_a man_n for_o it_o suffice_v that_o they_o confess_v that_o they_o be_v invisible_a worshipper_n of_o god_n according_a to_o the_o protestant_a manner_n or_o that_o their_o society_n in_o this_o kind_n of_o worship_n of_o god_n be_v invisible_a note_n note_n the_o other_o point_n be_v that_o in_o these_o kind_n of_o question_n whether_o before_o luther_n the_o protestant_a church_n be_v whether_o it_o be_v visible_a 1._o colloq_fw-la batisban_n sesse_n 1.6_o 10.17_o jewel_n def._n apol._n par_fw-fr 5._o c._n 15._o d._n 1._o whither_o it_o have_v pastor_n and_o the_o like_a the_o catholics_n hold_v the_o negative_a part_n and_o protestant_n the_o affirmative_a and_o that_o it_o belong_v to_o the_o affirmer_n to_o prove_v what_o he_o affirm_v wherein_o if_o he_o fail_v he_o be_v overcome_v and_o it_o be_v not_o needful_a for_o the_o denier_n to_o prove_v his_o denial_n but_o be_v sufficient_a reasonable_o to_o answer_v the_o proof_n of_o the_o affirmer_n which_o if_o he_o perform_v he_o 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his_o denial_n and_o vorstins_n in_o his_o antibellarm_n pag._n 464_o it_o be_v enough_o for_o the_o denier_n probable_o to_o deny_v wherefore_o in_o these_o kind_n of_o question_n protestant_n ought_v to_o be_v urge_v to_o perform_v their_o part_n that_o be_v to_o prove_v what_o they_o affirm_v to_o wit_n that_o before_o luther_n time_n their_o church_n be_v have_v pastor_n and_o the_o like_a which_o if_o they_o can_v do_v they_o must_v needs_o confess_v that_o in_o this_o debate_n they_o have_v lose_v their_o cause_n and_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o press_v we_o to_o prove_v that_o before_o luther_n their_o church_n be_v not_o have_v not_o pastor_n etc._n etc._n because_o as_o i_o say_v herein_o we_o be_v only_o the_o defender_n and_o denier_n 473._o tom._n 1._o foe_n 389._o 473._o and_o therefore_o it_o suffice_v for_o we_o to_o show_v that_o no_o reason_n which_o the_o protestant_n allege_v convince_v a_o reasonable_a man_n to_o believe_v that_o there_o be_v any_o such_o church_n before_o luther_n appear_v which_o if_o we_o do_v we_o have_v win_v the_o cause_n stranger_n that_o the_o protestant_n church_n be_v invisible_a to_o stranger_n nevertheless_o that_o i_o may_v use_v luther_n word_n in_o the_o book_n before_o cite_v albeit_o it_o belong_v not_o to_o we_o to_o prove_v the_o negative_a let_v we_o do_v it_o 2._o first_o therefore_o touch_v the_o invisibility_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n before_o luther_n time_n protestant_n confess_v that_o it_o be_v invisible_a to_o papist_n to_o enemy_n to_o the_o world_n and_o to_o all_o that_o be_v not_o of_o it_o for_o thus_o say_v sadcel_n in_o his_o refutation_n of_o the_o 61._o article_n pag._n 538_o we_o deny_v not_o that_o the_o godly_a man_n lurck_v under_o popish_a darkness_n and_o we_o give_v god_n thanks_o that_o such_o person_n family_n papist_n invisible_a to_o papist_n and_o company_n be_v for_o a_o time_n invisible_a and_o unknown_a to_o the_o pope_n and_o all_o his_o catchpole_n see_v they_o be_v for_o a_o long_a time_n like_o sparkle_n cover_v with_o much_o ash_n the_o same_o he_o say_v in_o his_o answer_n to_o arthur_n cap._n 8._o and_o to_o the_o sophism_n of_o turrian_n loco_fw-la 10._o and_o to_o the_o repetition_n of_o they_o pag._n 706._o danaeus_n in_o his_o book_n of_o antichrist_n cap._n 38._o write_v that_o there_o be_v very_o few_o protestant_n and_o those_o dwell_n in_o wilderness_n and_o also_o unknown_a to_o other_o other_o unknown_a to_o other_o junius_n in_o his_o 4._o book_n of_o the_o church_n cap._n 5._o speak_v thus_o of_o protestant_n before_o luther_n they_o profess_v their_o say_v among_o themselves_o but_o not_o before_o dog_n &_o wild_a beast_n who_o will_v run_v upon_o they_o d._n whitaker_n cont._n 2._o quaest_n 2._o cap._n 2._o pag._n 458._o be_v it_o the_o protestant_n church_n manifest_a to_o all_o no_o but_o to_o those_o only_o who_o have_v eye_n and_o pag._n 468_o there_o be_v no_o true_a church_n on_o earth_n protestant_n know_a only_o to_o protestant_n which_o appear_v to_o all_o and_o quest_n 6._o cap._n 2._o pag_n 359_o we_o care_v not_o for_o their_o object_v solitude_n unto_o us._n for_o we_o be_v not_o ashamed_a to_o have_v recall_v our_o church_n out_o of_o this_o kind_n of_o solitude_n d._n fulke_o to_o the_o cavillation_n of_o stapleton_n the_o whole_a form_n of_o the_o church_n be_v for_o some_o age_n unknown_a to_o the_o ungrateful_a world_n and_o in_o his_o book_n of_o succession_n pag._n 118_o they_o confess_v christ_n but_o not_o always_o before_o heretic_n but_o before_o themselves_o and_o the_o church_n and_o in_o his_o note_n upon_o the_o 11._o cap._n of_o the_o act_n if_o by_o visible_a you_o understand_v that_o which_o be_v see_v and_o know_v to_o the_o whole_a world_n it_o be_v not_o true_a that_o the_o church_n be_v always_o visible_a d._n morton_n in_o the_o 1._o part_n of_o his_o apology_n book_n 1._o cap._n 16._o say_v they_o profess_v secret_o not_o public_o d._n white_a in_o his_o way_n to_o the_o church_n pag._n 95_o that_o they_o profess_v among_o themselves_o osiander_n in_o his_o manuel_n pag._n 59_o in_o the_o visible_a church_n of_o rome_n there_o be_v the_o invisible_a company_n of_o believer_n hide_v to_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o world_n caelius_n secundus_fw-la curio_n in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o lardgne_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n pag._n 212_o it_o come_v to_o pass_v that_o for_o many_o year_n the_o church_n lie_v hide_v and_o that_o the_o citizen_n of_o this_o kingdom_n can_v scarce_o or_o not_o at_o all_o be_v discern_v from_o other_o and_o the_o scot_n in_o their_o general_a confession_n we_o say_v that_o this_o be_v the_o only_a true_a christian_a say_v which_o be_v now_o reveal_v to_o the_o world_n thus_o they_o acknowledge_v that_o before_o luther_n tym_fw-mi protestant_n be_v unknown_a to_o the_o pope_n and_o his_o officer_n to_o their_o
allege_v and_o urge_v to_o my_o purpose_n be_v either_o quite_o alter_v or_o else_o obscure_v for_o if_o in_o any_o place_n for_o brevity_n sake_n the_o word_n be_v so_o little_o change_v as_o the_o sense_n which_o i_o press_v remain_v whole_a and_o clear_a it_o skill_v not_o because_o i_o argue_v not_o out_o of_o the_o mere_a title_n or_o letter_n but_o only_o out_o of_o their_o sense_n and_o signification_n beside_o if_o at_o any_o time_n there_o be_v some_o colour_n of_o cavil_v about_o the_o alteration_n of_o the_o sense_n of_o one_o or_o other_o place_n for_o just_a cause_n i_o hope_v there_o will_v not_o be_v though_o in_o so_o many_o place_n as_o be_v here_o cite_v it_o be_v no_o marvel_n if_o some_o be_v mistake_v let_v he_o not_o therefore_o cry_v that_o all_o the_o testimony_n be_v falsify_v or_o think_v that_o thereby_o he_o have_v satisfy_v all_o the_o rest_n 3._o second_o touch_v the_o testimony_n themselves_o let_v he_o observe_v that_o either_o he_o answer_v they_o all_o or_o at_o least_o those_o which_o be_v the_o strong_a as_o for_o the_o most_o part_n those_o be_v which_o be_v note_v in_o the_o mâ—rgent_a otherwise_o by_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o father_n and_o protestant_n also_o he_o will_v show_v in_o effect_n that_o though_o he_o can_v not_o hold_v his_o peace_n yet_o can_v he_o not_o answer_v sufficient_o for_o as_o s._n augustine_n gaudent_fw-la augustine_n lib._n 1._o cont_n gaudent_fw-la say_v sure_o that_o he_o hold_v his_o peace_n not_o his_o tongue_n but_o his_o cause_n sail_v he_o and_o in_o a_o other_o place_n maxim_n place_n lib._n 2._o cont_n maxim_n i_o take_v your_o silence_n for_o consent_n s._n 61._o s._n epi._n 61._o hierome_n you_o confess_v more_o by_o silence_n than_o you_o deny_v by_o dispute_n and_o again_o 83_o again_o epi._n 83_o it_o skill_v little_a whether_o i_o bind_v my_o adversary_n sleep_v or_o wake_v only_o it_o be_v easy_a to_o bind_v one_o that_o be_v quiet_a than_o one_o that_o resist_v 388._o resist_v tom._n 7._o fol._n 384._o 388._o luther_n also_o evil_a conscience_n speak_v much_o beside_o the_o matter_n but_o little_a to_o the_o purpose_n and_o seldom_o come_v to_o it_o and_o he_o note_v that_o it_o be_v the_o art_n and_o nimbleness_n of_o heretic_n to_o skip_v over_o the_o matter_n and_o difficulty_n whitaker_n pronounce_v it_o to_o be_v a_o sign_n of_o a_o most_o desperate_a cause_n not_o to_o touch_v the_o matter_n and_o d_o 243._o d_o defence_n of_o serm_n p._n 243._o bilson_n to_o this_o thou_o answeare_v nothing_o and_o therefore_o all_o wise_a man_n conclude_v that_o thou_o can_v not_o maintain_v that_o which_o i_o then_o do_v disprove_v d_o suclive_a lib._n 2_o de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 1_o the_o rest_n because_o they_o say_v nothing_o to_o it_o i_o will_v take_v for_o grant_v for_o if_o there_o have_v be_v any_o hope_n of_o refute_v it_o or_o any_o place_n of_o calmuniate_a without_o doubt_n they_o will_v not_o have_v be_v silent_a and_o m_o 1._o m_o pro_fw-la tortura_fw-la forti_fw-la c._n 1._o burhill_n among_o the_o wise_a both_o of_o our_o side_n and_o you_o aâ—tergiversatour_n do_v no_o less_o hurt_v his_o cause_n then_o a_o bewrayer_n for_o he_o seem_v to_o consent_v &_o grant_v who_o then_o hold_v his_o peace_n when_o silence_n be_v suspicious_a 4._o three_o touch_v the_o exposition_n of_o the_o testimony_n let_v he_o observe_v that_o when_o the_o word_n be_v clear_a and_o their_o sense_n manifest_a he_o do_v not_o expound_v they_o or_o wrest_v they_o to_o another_o meaning_n for_o first_o if_o clear_a word_n must_v be_v expound_v there_o will_v be_v no_o end_n of_o expound_v again_o to_o what_o purpose_n shall_v he_o expound_v those_o word_n which_o need_v no_o exposition_n this_o be_v as_o apost_n as_o serm._n 14._o the_o verb_n apost_n s._n augustin_n say_v no_o other_o then_o to_o go_v about_o to_o bring_v darkness_n into_o open_a light_n beside_o protestant_n themselves_o say_v that_o clear_a word_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v expound_v for_o thus_o carolstad_n thus_o luther_n co_fw-la 2._o ep_n ad_fw-la carolstad_n luther_n this_o rule_n that_o one_o place_n be_v to_o be_v expound_v by_o another_o without_o doubt_n be_v particular_a to_o wit_v a_o doubtful_a or_o obscure_a place_n must_v be_v expound_v by_o another_o that_o be_v certain_a and_o clear_a for_o to_o expound_v certain_a and_o clear_a place_n by_o conference_n of_o other_o place_n be_v wicked_o to_o mock_v truth_n and_o to_o bring_v cloud_n into_o light_n the_o minister_n of_o saxony_n in_o 303._o in_o pa._n 303._o colloq_fw-la aldeburg_n say_v to_o their_o fellow_n let_v they_o remember_v that_o exposition_n be_v not_o to_o be_v admit_v in_o clear_a place_n and_o those_o of_o 161._o of_o hospin_n fol._n 161._o zurich_n then_o there_o be_v need_n of_o declaration_n when_o the_o word_n &_o sense_n thereof_o be_v obscure_a and_o melancthon_n nothing_o can_v be_v say_v so_o proper_o so_o plain_o advise_o which_o may_v not_o be_v deprave_a by_o some_o cavillation_n beza_n 41_o beza_n ep._n 41_o also_o it_o be_v easy_a to_o wrest_v other_o man_n writing_n and_o m._n dominis_n 3._o dominis_n l._n 1._o c._n 3._o let_v those_o word_n which_o be_v clear_a be_v keep_v in_o their_o proper_a and_o plain_a sense_n 5._o four_o let_v he_o observe_v that_o in_o expound_v the_o protestant_n testimony_n he_o devise_v not_o hyperbole_n or_o figure_n at_o his_o pleasure_n but_o let_v he_o bring_v good_a reason_n why_o he_o expound_v they_o figurative_o either_o deny_a say_v 13._o say_v cont._n prax._n c._n 13._o tertullian_n that_o these_o be_v write_v or_o who_o be_v thou_o that_o thou_o deny_v that_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v take_v as_o they_o be_v write_v and_o the_o protestant_n in_o admonit_n de_fw-fr lib._n concord_n cap._n 3._o say_v if_o they_o will_v not_o that_o these_o shall_v be_v understand_v as_o they_o sound_v why_o speak_v they_o so_o and_o brentius_n in_o recognit_n pag._n 148._o what_o liberty_n what_o temerity_n be_v this_o of_o abuse_v word_n and_o devise_v a_o new_a grammar_n for_o first_o the_o rule_n of_o understand_v man_n word_n be_v that_o they_o be_v take_v according_a to_o their_o proper_a and_o common_a signification_n unless_o the_o writer_n or_o speaker_n do_v by_o some_o way_n declare_v the_o contrary_n whereupon_o 473._o whereupon_o tom._n 2._o fol._n 473._o luther_n say_v we_o have_v overcome_v that_o word_n be_v to_o be_v take_v in_o their_o natural_a sense_n except_o the_o contrary_n be_v demonstrate_v and_o 4._o and_o colloq_fw-la c._n 8._o diu._n 4._o d._n rainolds_n that_o be_v the_o sense_n of_o word_n in_o which_o they_o be_v common_o take_v beside_o otherwise_o all_o force_n of_o prove_v any_o thing_n by_o any_o word_n of_o god_n or_o man_n be_v quite_o go_v note_n note_n for_o since_o all_o the_o force_n of_o such_o proof_n stand_v in_o the_o sense_n if_o this_o be_v uncertain_a and_o must_v be_v proper_a or_o figurative_a according_a as_o the_o hearer_n or_o reader_n will_v 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contrariwyse_o be_v that_o speak_v most_o pious_o may_v be_v judge_v to_o speak_v most_o impious_o hereupon_o say_v 489._o say_v tom._n 2._o fol._n 489._o luther_n if_o this_o licence_n reign_v i_o may_v interpret_v all_o thing_n fit_o whatsoever_o either_o heretic_n or_o the_o devil_n himself_o have_v do_v or_o say_v or_o can_v do_v or_o say_v for_o ever_o where_o then_o shall_v be_v the_o mean_n to_o refel_v a_o heretik_a or_o the_o devil_n and_o 220._o and_o ib_a fol._n 220._o again_o if_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o play_v with_o figure_n at_o pleasure_n without_o yield_v any_o reason_n what_o hinder_v but_o that_o all_o word_n have_v new_a sense_n furthermore_o it_o be_v the_o custom_n or_o heretic_n to_o devise_v figure_n of_o their_o pleasure_n thus_o serap_n thus_o epist_n ad_fw-la serap_n s._n athanasius_n