Selected quad for the lemma: cause_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
cause_n	bishop_n	church_n	judgement_n	1,426	5	5.8624	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A90523	A defence of church-government, exercised in presbyteriall, classicall, & synodall assemblies; according to the practise of the reformed churches: touching I. The power of a particular eldership, against those that plead for a meere popular government, specially Mr Ainsvvorth in his Animadversion to Mr Clyft. &c. II. The authority of classes and synods, against the patrons of independencie: answering in this poynt Mr Davenport his Apologeticall reply, &c. and Mr Canne his Churches plea, &c, sent forth first by W. Best, and afterwards for this part of it, under the title of Syons prerogative royall. By Iohn Paget, late able and faithfull pastour of the Reformed English Church in Amsterdam. Hereunto is prefixed an advertisement to the Parliament, wherein are inserted some animadversions on the Cheshire Remonstrance against Presbytery: by T.P.	Paget, John, d. 1640.; Paget, Thomas, d. 1660.	1641 (1641)	Wing P166; Thomason E117_1; ESTC R16734	348,418	298

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testify_v effectual_o &_o in_o order_n against_o all_o such_o transgression_n which_o a_o intelligent_a person_n may_v discern_v to_o be_v commit_v daily_o before_o his_o eye_n both_o in_o private_a &_o public_a 3._o even_o yourself_o seem_v to_o acknowledge_v this_o also_o when_o touch_v the_o difference_n of_o offence_n you_o say_v 3_o say_v com._n of_o saint_n cap._n 22._o §_o 2._o &_o 3_o when_o offence_n arise_v it_o shall_v be_v our_o glory_n if_o we_o can_v pass_v they_o by_o as_o solomon_n have_v say_v but_o if_o the_o trespass_n be_v such_o as_o we_o may_v not_o but_o insist_v upon_o both_o for_o the_o honour_n of_o god_n who_o be_v offend_v &_o soul_n of_o the_o sinner_n which_o be_v endanger_v &_o our_o own_o or_o neighbour_n good_a who_o be_v endamage_v thereby_o then_o be_v we_o bind_v to_o admonish_v the_o trespasser_n hereof_o etc._n

as_o may_v be_v and_o what_o help_n can_v they_o expect_v from_o the_o magistrate_n which_o seek_v to_o expel_v they_o out_o of_o their_o territory_n iii_o other_o church_n of_o christ_n do_v abide_v in_o such_o popish_a country_n where_o though_o they_o be_v tolerate_v to_o have_v their_o meeting_n as_o in_o many_o part_n of_o france_n yet_o it_o will_v be_v in_o vain_a for_o they_o to_o seek_v help_n of_o the_o popish_a governor_n that_o have_v dominion_n in_o some_o of_o the_o place_n where_o they_o have_v their_o abode_n iv_o in_o these_o unite_a province_n of_o the_o netherlands_o where_o the_o reform_a church_n be_v maintain_v yet_o forasmuch_o as_o here_o be_v a_o toleration_n of_o many_o sect_n and_o religion_n and_o among_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o brownist_n the_o magistrate_n do_v not_o use_v to_o judge_v their_o ecclesiastical_a controversy_n &_o so_o afford_v no_o help_n unto_o those_o sect_n in_o that_o kind_n when_o do_v the_o brownist_n ever_o seek_v any_o help_n from_o they_o to_o repress_v their_o contention_n and_o schism_n v._o that_o or_o those_o church_n which_o be_v secret_o gather_v in_o england_n according_a to_o the_o direction_n &_o example_n of_o mr_n jacob_n do_v they_o not_o altogether_o want_v the_o help_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o their_o controversy_n he_o prescribe_v this_o remedy_n 28._o remedy_n necess_n of_o reform_v p._n 28._o that_o if_o people_n in_o their_o church-election_n etc._n etc._n will_v presume_v to_o be_v unruly_a &_o violent_a than_o the_o prince_n next_o dwell_n officer_n of_o justice_n may_v &_o aught_o to_o make_v they_o keep_v peace_n &_o quietness_n but_o dare_v he_o or_o he_o in_o any_o of_o their_o contention_n ever_o seek_v that_o remedy_n last_o suppose_v that_o in_o every_o country_n the_o magistrate_n do_v seek_v the_o wealth_n of_o zion_n and_o do_v use_v their_o authority_n to_o correct_v and_o punish_v the_o disorder_n commit_v in_o true_a church_n yet_o will_v not_o this_o remedy_n be_v 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purpose_n to_o make_v peace_n betwixt_o his_o two_o son_n have_v they_o use_v the_o help_n of_o neighbour_n church_n &_o permit_v they_o to_o judge_v betwixt_o they_o it_o may_v have_v be_v a_o mean_n through_o god_n blessing_n to_o have_v preserve_v they_o from_o such_o extreme_a course_n hereof_o george_n johnson_n oft_o complain_v in_o his_o book_n 41._o book_n discourse_v of_o trouble_n etc._n etc._n p._n 74._o &_o p._n 38.39_o &_o 41._o they_o will_v not_o consent_v hereunto_o they_o will_v not_o be_v persuade_v nor_o entreat_v to_o let_v the_o reform_a church_n hear_v try_v judge_n &_o end_v the_o controversy_n between_o they_o and_o we_o and_o this_o be_v not_o the_o complaint_n of_o g._n johnson_n alone_o but_o the_o minister_n both_o of_o the_o dutch_a and_o french_a church_n in_o amsterdam_n do_v likewise_o give_v testimony_n thereof_o be_v depute_v by_o the_o eldership_n of_o both_o those_o church_n &_o that_o upon_o the_o request_n of_o the_o father_n to_o see_v if_o they_o can_v procure_v franc._n joh._n and_o the_o elder_n of_o his_o church_n to_o submit_v the_o controversy_n to_o their_o trial_n &_o judgement_n this_o appear_v in_o the_o testimony_n hereof_o give_v unto_o the_o father_n john_n johns_n by_o the_o goulattius_n the_o johannes_n a_o vinea_fw-la petrus_n plancius_n jacobus_n arminius_n simon_n goulattius_n minister_n of_o these_o church_n in_o write_v under_o their_o hand_n yea_o &_o further_o the_o church_n of_o the_o separation_n do_v so_o much_o abhor_v to_o have_v their_o cause_n and_o affair_n submit_v unto_o any_o censure_n or_o judgement_n out_o of_o their_o own_o church_n that_o in_o the_o excommunication_n of_o the_o father_n a_o old_a man_n of_o 70._o year_n that_o have_v undertake_v so_o hard_a a_o journey_n as_o he_o confess_v for_o the_o reconcilement_n of_o his_o son_n &_o seek_v such_o mean_n from_o other_o church_n to_o end_v their_o strife_n this_o be_v set_v down_o as_o one_o distinct_a &_o special_a cause_n of_o his_o excommunication_n viz._n for_o labour_v to_o draw_v the_o church_n into_o antichristian_a bondage_n in_o the_o the_o judge_v the_o cause_n thereof_o this_o appear_v in_o the_o copy_n of_o his_o excommunication_n deliver_v unto_o he_o &_o subscribe_v by_o mercer_n by_o daniel_n studley_n stanshall_n mercer_n two_o of_o their_o elder_n in_o the_o name_n of_o their_o church_n and_o since_o that_o time_n when_o the_o brownist_n have_v so_o often_o schism_v &_o rend_v in_o the_o midst_n as_o in_o mr_n johnson_n &_o mr_n ainsworth_n division_n when_o they_o separate_v one_o from_o the_o other_o when_o after_o the_o death_n of_o mr_n ainsworth_n that_o company_n rend_v again_o in_o the_o midst_n one_o half_o follow_v john_n de_fw-fr cluse_n &_o the_o other_o mr_n can_n when_o after_o the_o death_n of_o mr_n robinson_n his_o company_n also_o rend_v in_o piece_n they_o forsake_v their_o old_a fellowship_n together_o when_o mr_n can_n be_v first_o rash_o elect_v a_o minister_n by_o the_o brownist_n when_o short_o after_o that_o election_n he_o be_v censure_v and_o depose_v from_o his_o office_n by_o that_o half_a that_o reject_v he_o &_o renounce_v communion_n with_o he_o in_o all_o these_o &_o the_o like_a controversy_n they_o want_v help_v &_o dare_v not_o seek_v the_o benefit_n of_o classical_a government_n nor_o submit_v their_o cause_n unto_o such_o a_o order_n of_o trial_n and_o censure_n lest_o they_o shall_v enthrall_v themselves_o in_o antichristian_a bondage_n as_o they_o call_v it_o they_o that_o allow_v not_o synod_n with_o authority_n to_o decide_v cause_n do_v yet_o profess_v that_o they_o be_v to_o be_v approve_v &_o embrace_v for_o counsel_n &_o advise_v but_o it_o appear_v by_o these_o &_o other_o not_o unlike_a passage_n among_o those_o that_o be_v of_o the_o same_o opinion_n that_o they_o which_o deny_v the_o power_n of_o censure_n in_o class_n do_v seldom_o inquire_v after_o their_o counsel_n and_o although_o the_o importance_n of_o this_o controversy_n do_v hereby_o appear_v plain_o enough_o yet_o do_v we_o not_o hold_v the_o same_o to_o be_v so_o great_a as_o some_o of_o our_o opposite_n do_v make_v it_o as_o if_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o church_n &_o our_o own_o salvation_n depend_v hereupon_o mr_n can_n call_v it_o 77._o it_o church_n plea._n p._n 77._o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n appertain_v to_o life_n &_o salvation_n mr_n jacob_n speak_v of_o this_o particular_a church_n wherein_o this_o single_a uncompounded_a policy_n be_v maintain_v say_v 5._o say_v necess_n of_o reform_v p._n 5._o this_o only_a aught_o to_o be_v allow_v &_o believe_v to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n by_o all_o christian_n and_o again_o 6._o again_o ibid._n p._n 6._o this_o be_v the_o only_a true_a visible_a church_n of_o christ_n have_v from_o he_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o order_n &_o government_n in_o itself_o ordinary_o the_o proper_a minister_n thereof_o be_v the_o only_a true_a ordinary_a minister_n of_o christ_n he_o say_v further_a pref_o further_a the_o divine_a begin_v &_o instit_fw-la of_o christ_n true_a visible_a church_n pref_o the_o true_a form_n indeed_o of_o christ_n visible_a &_o ministerial_a church_n be_v a_o inward_a thing_n it_o be_v the_o power_n of_o a_o single_a &_o uncompounded_a spiritual_a polity_n he_o deny_v the_o profession_n of_o save_a faith_n to_o be_v the_o essential_a form_n and_o often_o inculcate_n that_o the_o form_n essence_n nature_n &_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n consist_v in_o that_o power_n of_o spiritual_a polity_n before_o rehearse_v he_o complain_v of_o they_o that_o do_v not_o practice_v according_a to_o his_o rule_n say_v pref_o say_v ibid._n pref_o these_o true_o seem_v to_o destroy_v the_o conscience_n &_o faith_n of_o the_o people_n etc._n etc._n and_o he_o give_v this_o exhortation_n that_o 4._o that_o ibid._n a._n 4._o all_o christian_n every_o where_o ought_v to_o frame_v the_o visible_a church_n where_o they_o

he_o carry_v from_o the_o consistory_n to_o the_o classis_fw-la be_v of_o the_o same_o nature_n with_o those_o cause_n between_o blood_n &_o blood_n between_o law_n &_o commandment_n statute_n &_o judgement_n which_o be_v defer_v to_o the_o levite_n the_o priest_n etc._n etc._n answ._n i._o it_o be_v here_o also_o to_o be_v note_v how_o instead_o of_o disprove_v that_o which_o i_o say_v and_o instead_o of_o show_v any_o dissimilitude_n of_o the_o question_n bring_v unto_o the_o classis_fw-la from_o those_o bring_v unto_o the_o judicatories_n deut._n 17.2_o chron._n 19_o he_o leave_v his_o accusation_n without_o proof_n ii_o as_o for_o the_o proof_n he_o require_v it_o be_v most_o plain_a and_o evident_a from_o the_o place_n allege_v for_o in_o they_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o about_o whatsoever_o cause_n there_o be_v any_o strife_n or_o contention_n in_o israel_n it_o may_v be_v bring_v unto_o the_o judicatories_n there_o mention_v all_o ecclesiastical_a affair_n all_o matter_n of_o the_o lord_n be_v to_o be_v bring_v unto_o the_o ecclesiastical_a senate_n over_o which_o amariah_n be_v precedent_n all_o civil_a affair_n all_o matter_n of_o the_o king_n be_v to_o be_v bring_v unto_o the_o civil_a judgement_n over_o which_o zebadiah_n be_v precedent_n 2._o chron._n 19.11_o and_o what_o controversy_n can_v there_o be_v in_o any_o church_n or_o estate_n that_o may_v not_o be_v reduce_v to_o one_o of_o these_o junius_n in_o his_o exposition_n of_o these_o place_n 11._o place_n anal._n expl._n &_o annot_n on_o deut._n 17.8_o &_o 2._o chron._n 19.8_o 11._o plain_o distinguish_v these_o cause_n &_o question_n on_o this_o manner_n again_o whereas_o 2._o chron._n 19_o vers_fw-la 10._o there_o be_v express_v and_o general_a mention_n of_o any_o cause_n whatsoever_o about_o which_o there_o may_v be_v controversy_n between_o law_n &_o commandment_n statute_n &_o judgement_n i_o will_v demand_v of_o mr_n dau._n what_o cause_n can_v be_v except_v or_o exempt_v from_o these_o judicatories_n be_v there_o ever_o any_o controversy_n or_o any_o contention_n in_o any_o church_n which_o have_v not_o reference_n to_o some_o law_n or_o commandment_n and_o see_v mr_n dau._n himself_n in_o these_o dispute_n pretend_v the_o law_n and_o commandment_n against_o we_o do_v not_o these_o question_n therefore_o be_v of_o such_o nature_n belong_v unto_o such_o judicatories_n see_v judicatory_n be_v therefore_o original_o institute_v to_o take_v away_o strife_n &_o dissension_n as_o in_o civil_a cause_n deut._n 1.12_o so_o also_o in_o ecclesiastical_a deut._n 17.2_o chron._n 19_o and_o withal_o see_v the_o cause_n in_o question_n etc._n etc._n have_v be_v special_a mean_n and_o cause_n of_o discord_n among_o we_o why_o shall_v not_o these_o matter_n be_v bring_v unto_o these_o judicatories_n for_o trial_n and_o judgement_n as_o well_o as_o other_o and_o therefore_o whether_o those_o scripture_n above_o mention_v have_v be_v by_o i_o misapply_v or_o not_o i_o leave_v to_o the_o consideration_n of_o they_o that_o be_v able_a to_o judge_v chap._n iii_o the_o second_o argument_n take_v from_o the_o word_n of_o christ_n matth._n 18_o 15-20_a the_o second_o argument_n be_v take_v from_o that_o rule_n of_o discipline_n deliver_v by_o christ_n unto_o his_o disciple_n for_o the_o government_n of_o his_o church_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n mat._n 18.15_o 16_o 17_o 18_o 19_o 20._o from_o this_o rule_n we_o may_v reason_v divers_a way_n and_o chief_o thus_o if_o this_o rule_n of_o christ_n be_v the_o same_o that_o be_v prescribe_v unto_o israel_n of_o old_a and_o be_v translate_v from_o the_o jew_n synagogue_n unto_o the_o christian_a church_n then_o be_v not_o these_o church_n independent_a then_o be_v they_o not_o single_a uncompounded_a policy_n then_o be_v not_o all_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n limit_v within_o the_o compass_n of_o particular_a congregation_n then_o can_v appeal_n unto_o superior_a judicatories_n be_v just_o deny_v but_o the_o first_o be_v true_a therefore_o the_o second_o also_o the_o assumption_n of_o this_o argument_n be_v deny_v by_o many_o kind_n of_o opposite_n h._n barrow_n cry_v out_o against_o it_o 76._o it_o refut_o of_o giff._n p._n 76._o be_v it_o likely_a or_o possible_a that_o our_o saviour_n christ_n will_v fetch_v his_o pattern_n for_o the_o elder_n of_o his_o church_n &_o the_o execution_n of_o these_o high_a judgement_n from_o that_o corrupt_a degenerate_a synedrion_n of_o the_o jew_n which_o by_o the_o institution_n of_o god_n be_v mere_o civil_a and_o not_o ordain_v for_o cause_n ecclesiastical_a as_o appear_v exod._n 18._o num._n 11._o deut._n 1._o the_o priest_n bear_v the_o charge_n &_o have_v the_o decide_n of_o all_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n num._n 18._o deut._n 17._o but_o this_o council_n of_o they_o be_v now_o mix_v of_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o people_n and_o the_o priest_n &_o handle_v all_o cause_n both_o civil_a &_o ecclesiastical_a indifferent_o matt._n 26.3_o act._n 4.5_o how_o 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1_o viz._n amb._n offi._n l._n 1._o c._n 1_o these_o with_o spiritual_a bridle_n order_n man_n etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v i._o in_o the_o place_n allege_v there_o be_v not_o a_o word_n to_o be_v find_v either_o touch_v a_o senate_n of_o elder_n or_o touch_v spiritual_a bridle_n or_o any_o thing_n to_o like_a purpose_n ii_o if_o a_o senate_n of_o elder_n be_v spiritual_a bridle_n than_o the_o brownist_n with_o mr_n c._n that_o now_o want_v such_o a_o senate_n be_v a_o unbridled_a company_n want_v order_n etc._n etc._n iii_o what_o though_o a_o assembly_n of_o elder_n order_n man_n with_o spiritual_a bridle_n be_v there_o therefore_o no_o other_o spiritual_a bridle_n in_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n what_o consequence_n be_v this_o iv_o that_o ambrose_n do_v allow_v the_o authority_n and_o jurisdiction_n of_o synod_n it_o appear_v both_o by_o his_o practice_n he_o 9_o he_o theod._n hist_o eccl._n l._n 5._o c._n 9_o himself_o be_v present_a with_o damasus_n britto_n valerian_n and_o other_o bishop_n at_o the_o synod_n hold_v at_o rome_n for_o the_o censure_n of_o apollinaris_n and_o timotheus_n his_o disciple_n and_o by_o his_o theoph._n his_o amb._n tom._n 3._o epi._n l._n 10._o ep_n 78._o ad_fw-la theoph._n exhortation_n give_v unto_o theophilus_n and_o other_o to_o judge_v the_o cause_n of_o euagrius_n and_o flavianus_n be_v depute_v thereunto_o by_o the_o synod_n of_o capua_n and_o again_o by_o his_o any_o his_o ib._n epi._n 79._o ad_fw-la theoph_n &_o any_o exhortation_n give_v unto_o theophilus_n &_o anysius_n that_o they_o be_v choose_v by_o the_o same_o synod_n of_o capua_n will_v give_v sentence_n touch_v bonosus_n and_o his_o accuser_n forasmuch_o as_o the_o synod_n have_v give_v this_o authority_n unto_o they_o and_o they_o do_v now_o supply_v the_o place_n thereof_o with_o ambrose_n he_o join_v patr_n join_v in_o orat_fw-la fun_n de_fw-fr patr_n nazianzen_n to_o testify_v also_o that_o a_o senate_n or_o assembly_n of_o elder_n do_v with_o spiritual_a bridle_n order_n man_n but_o in_o the_o place_n allege_v i_o find_v no_o such_o testimony_n as_o be_v mention_v and_o therefore_o the_o three_o first_o answer_n make_v before_o unto_o the_o testimony_n from_o ambrose_n may_v also_o serve_v for_o nazianzen_n and_o further_o that_o gregory_n nazianzen_n do_v not_o limit_v all_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o jurisdiction_n unto_o a_o particular_a congregation_n only_o it_o may_v appear_v if_o we_o observe_v i._n how_o 17._o how_o soc._n hist_o ecc._n l._n 4._o c._n 21._o sozom._n hist_o ecc._n l._n 6._o c._n 17._o he_o himself_o be_v make_v bishop_n of_o constantinople_n by_o the_o suffrage_n of_o many_o bishop_n meet_v together_o which_o be_v a_o further_a degree_n of_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n then_o that_o which_o be_v exercise_v in_o the_o class_n or_o synod_n of_o these_o country_n ii_o how_o he_o plead_v clidon_n plead_v nazian_n epist_n 1._o ad_fw-la clidon_n from_o a_o synodall_n law_n touch_v the_o receyve_v of_o those_o that_o be_v fall_v iii_o how_o he_o allow_v the_o order_n of_o convocate_a and_o assemble_v neighbour_n bishop_n about_o the_o create_v of_o a_o new_a bishop_n affirm_v this_o to_o be_v caesarien_n be_v epi._n 30._o ad_fw-la caesarien_n right_a and_o according_a to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a law_n iv_o how_o he_o in_o his_o counsel_n and_o exhortation_n unto_o the_o synod_n at_o constantinope_n 8._o constantinope_n theod._n hist_o eccl._n l._n 5._o c._n 8._o asscribe_v unto_o they_o authority_n and_o power_n for_o his_o own_o dimission_n and_o translation_n for_o the_o set_n of_o another_o unblameable_a bishop_n in_o his_o place_n and_o thereby_o withal_o for_o the_o deposition_n and_o abdication_n of_o maximus_n which_o be_v according_o perform_v that_o which_o may_v with_o more_o colour_n be_v object_v out_o of_o nazianzen_n against_o the_o use_n of_o synod_n and_o which_o be_v also_o allege_a both_o by_o mr_n can_n and_o by_o mr_n davenp_n though_o not_o direct_o against_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n be_v yet_o so_o bring_v in_o by_o the_o way_n as_o may_v cause_v a_o simple_a reader_n to_o stumble_v thereat_o the_o word_n of_o nazianzen_n as_o mr_n can_n 93._o can_n ch._n pl._n p._n 93._o allege_v they_o be_v these_o procop._n these_o ep._n 42._o ad_fw-la procop._n i_o be_o mind_v say_v he_o to_o shun_v all_o assembly_n of_o bishop_n because_o i_o never_o see_v any_o good_a event_n in_o any_o council_n that_o do_v not_o rather_o increase_v then_o diminish_v our_o evil_n their_o contention_n and_o ambition_n pass_v my_o speech_n answ._n i._n observe_v how_o mr_n c._n mistranslate_v those_o word_n of_o nazianzen_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o he_o render_v as_o signify_v pass_v my_o speech_n whereas_o they_o signify_v prevayl_v more_o than_o reason_n as_o 225._o as_o apo._n tep_n p._n 225._o mr_n dau._n do_v right_o translate_v they_o but_o it_o be_v no_o wonder_n that_o mr_n can_n shall_v mistake_v that_o which_o some_o more_o learned_a have_v do_v before_o grosser_n fault_n be_v more_o common_a with_o he_o ii_o as_o for_o the_o testimony_n of_o nazianzen_n the_o answer_n of_o d._n whitaker_n may_v give_v sufficient_a satisfaction_n who_o say_v 15._o say_v de_fw-fr conc_fw-fr qu._n 1._o c._n 3._o p._n 13.14_o 15._o it_o may_v seem_v strange_a that_o nazianzen_n deny_v he_o have_v see_v a_o good_a issue_n of_o any_o synod_n for_o in_o those_o two_o synod_n viz._n of_o nice_a and_o constantinople_n which_o have_v be_v mention_v before_o truth_n get_v the_o victory_n and_o heresy_n be_v put_v down_o and_o though_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o arianisme_n be_v increase_v and_o grow_v strong_a and_o trouble_v the_o church_n after_o the_o synod_n of_o nice_a more_o than_o before_o yet_o that_o be_v not_o to_o be_v impute_v to_o the_o synod_n but_o to_o the_o contention_n and_o ambition_n of_o man_n for_o as_o our_o corrupt_a nature_n do_v more_o vehement_o resist_v the_o know_a law_n of_o god_n and_o rush_v headlong_o unto_o sin_n so_o falsehood_n oppose_v itself_o more_o bold_o unto_o the_o truth_n then_o explain_v and_o open_o defend_v whereupon_o after_o that_o synod_n which_o none_o excel_v great_a incommodity_n do_v arise_v from_o the_o wickedness_n of_o man_n etc._n etc._n when_o nazianz._n see_v so_o wicked_a disposition_n of_o man_n he_o be_v whole_o turn_v from_o counsel_n although_o without_o doubt_n he_o disallow_v not_o the_o thing_n itself_o but_o the_o wicked_a endeavour_n of_o man_n now_o if_o any_o will_v reason_v after_o this_o manner_n the_o issue_n of_o synod_n be_v not_o good_a or_o more_o evil_n follow_v thence_o therefore_o synod_n be_v to_o be_v avoid_v that_o man_n shall_v dispute_v deceitful_o from_o a_o wrong_a cause_n from_o accident_n and_o from_o the_o fallacy_n of_o consequent_a but_o nazianzen_n be_v to_o be_v pardon_v because_o he_o live_v in_o the_o worst_a and_o most_o turbulent_a time_n of_o the_o church_n when_o by_o mean_n of_o valens_n the_o emperor_n that_o degenerate_v from_o the_o catholic_n faith_n heretic_n do_v more_o prevail_v etc._n etc._n again_o he_o oppose_v augustine_n unto_o nazianzene_n and_o say_v it_o be_v most_o true_a which_o augustine_n say_v epist_n 118._o that_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v most_o wholesome_a which_o certain_o he_o will_v not_o have_v say_v if_o he_o have_v be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n with_o nazianzen_n and_o further_o he_o oppose_v unto_o the_o speech_n of_o nazianz._n the_o testimony_n of_o christ_n say_v christ_n himself_o pronounce_v and_o promise_v matt._n 18.20_o where_o two_o or_o three_o be_v assemble_v together_o in_o his_o name_n there_o he_o will_v be_v in_o the_o midst_n of_o they_o in_o which_o word_n he_o signifi_v that_o the_o assembly_n and_o synod_n of_o godly_a and_o religious_a man_n undertake_v and_o appoint_v for_o godly_a cause_n be_v not_o displease_v unto_o he_o iii_o the_o testimony_n of_o nazianzen_n be_v as_o much_o against_o the_o opinion_n of_o mr_n can_n and_o mr_n dau._n as_o against_o that_o which_o we_o hold_v touch_v class_n and_o synod_n for_o see_v they_o allow_v such_o meeting_n for_o counsel_n and_o admonition_n though_o not_o for_o exercise_v of_o any_o jurisdiction_n and_o see_v the_o testimony_n of_o nazian_n do_v extend_v itself_o to_o all_o kind_n of_o assembly_n of_o bishop_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d whether_o for_o counsel_n or_o censure_n without_o exception_n of_o one_o sort_n more_o than_o another_o therefore_o he_o no_o more_o condemn_v our_o synod_n than_o those_o which_o my_o opposite_n allow_v augustine_n his_o next_o witness_n be_v in_o like_a manner_n pervert_v as_o the_o former_a though_o he_o in_o the_o place_n 17._o place_n dedoct_n chr._n l._n 1._o c._n 17._o object_v do_v write_v that_o the_o key_n be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n yet_o do_v he_o not_o thereby_o exclude_v synod_n gather_v together_o in_o the_o name_n of_o

from_o their_o minister_n but_o concern_v particular_a congregation_n and_o their_o subjection_n to_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o though_o mr_n c._n and_o some_o other_o that_o now_o strive_v for_o the_o independency_n church_n do_v also_o affect_v a_o popular_a way_n of_o government_n in_o the_o church_n oppose_v not_o only_o the_o power_n of_o classical_a presbytery_n but_o also_o of_o particular_a eldership_n yet_o popularity_n do_v not_o necessary_o follow_v upon_o independency_n neither_o have_v they_o always_o both_o the_o same_o patron_n mr_n jacob_n though_o he_o plead_v for_o a_o single_a uncompounded_a policy_n in_o opposition_n to_o synodall_n authority_n yet_o he_o utter_o dislike_v those_o popular_a circumstance_n hold_v by_o the_o separation_n as_o have_v be_v note_v 176._o note_v pag._n 176._o before_o again_o the_o anabaptist_n though_o they_o maintain_v and_o practice_v those_o popular_a way_n of_o judge_a cause_n among_o they_o and_o 535._o and_o protoc_n embd._n act._n 101._o n._n 1._o q._n 7._o cl._n cl._n bekent_n p._n 218._o cloppenb_n cancer_n der_fw-mi weder-doop_a p._n 535._o oppose_v the_o eldership_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n as_o exercise_v a_o undue_a power_n in_o decide_v matter_n apart_o from_o the_o congregation_n yet_o they_o allow_v and_o practice_v divers_a thing_n contrary_a to_o the_o nature_n of_o independency_n so_o as_o mr_n c._n plead_v for_o it_o see_v 1._o they_o have_v 190._o have_v faukel_n babel_n der_fw-mi weder-doop_a pag._n 166_o 167_o 190._o their_o bishop_n as_o they_o call_v they_o distinct_a from_o their_o other_o preacher_n by_o they_o term_v vermaender_n that_o be_v admonisher_n and_o by_o some_o of_o they_o 2._o they_o protoc_n embd._n act._n 78._o n._n 4._o &_o act._n 80._o n._n 2._o hold_v to_o be_v deacon_n these_o acknowledge_v themselves_o 21._o themselves_o gesprec_n to●_n zierickz_n p._n 21._o to_o be_v inferior_a to_o their_o bishop_n in_o the_o ministry_n the_o bishop_n belong_v to_o some_o more_o eminent_a congregation_n of_o that_o sect_n do_v at_o certain_a time_n visit_v the_o other_o lesser_a congregation_n and_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n among_o they_o 2._o the_o anabaptist_n 215._o anabaptist_n protoc_n embd._n act._n 99_o n._n 1._o fauk_n babel_n der_fw-mi wederd_v d_o a._n &_o p._n 215._o use_v to_o excommunicate_v whole_a congregation_n at_o once_o when_o have_v be_v of_o the_o same_o profession_n with_o they_o they_o witness_v their_o dissent_n from_o they_o in_o such_o matter_n as_o for_o which_o particular_a person_n be_v excommunicate_v by_o they_o 3._o the_o cause_n that_o can_v be_v determine_v in_o their_o particular_a congregation_n be_v by_o they_o sometime_o b._n sometime_o babel_n der_fw-mi wederd_v c4_n a._n &_o c6_n b._n refer_v to_o the_o judgement_n of_o arbiter_n man_n of_o several_a congregation_n choose_v by_o both_o party_n with_o promise_n to_o stand_v to_o their_o sentence_n &_o sometime_o also_o to_o the_o meeting_n of_o the_o officer_n of_o sundry_a church_n this_o show_v that_o though_o they_o plead_v for_o popularity_n yet_o they_o do_v not_o simple_o allow_v of_o independency_n 11._o suppose_v that_o consideration_n have_v be_v allege_v by_o the_o author_n against_o popular_a government_n also_o as_o just_o it_o may_v in_o regard_n of_o the_o manifold_a disorder_n confusion_n and_o dissipation_n of_o church_n which_o it_o be_v know_v to_o bring_v with_o it_o yet_o this_o answer_n can_v prove_v it_o to_o be_v insufficient_a because_o it_o run_v upon_o a_o twofold_a false_a supposition_n 1._o that_o this_o appertain_v to_o the_o due_a liberty_n of_o the_o people_n to_o have_v their_o judgement_n seek_v unto_o for_o the_o determine_n of_o all_o controversy_n that_o arise_v in_o the_o church_n 2._o that_o this_o liberty_n be_v acknowledge_v to_o have_v be_v take_v from_o they_o as_o if_o they_o have_v be_v once_o in_o full_a possession_n of_o it_o or_o that_o this_o be_v the_o main_a reason_n for_o deny_v that_o pretend_a liberty_n to_o the_o people_n because_o of_o their_o infirmity_n or_o miscarriage_n in_o the_o use_n of_o it_o these_o thing_n as_o they_o be_v untrue_a in_o themselves_o so_o they_o be_v unjust_o obtrude_v upon_o the_o defendant_n who_o have_v give_v no_o occasion_n to_o such_o pretence_n we_o maintain_v on_o the_o other_o side_n that_o this_o be_v no_o part_n of_o the_o people_n privilege_n because_o it_o be_v not_o due_a unto_o they_o by_o any_o divine_a warrant_n and_o herein_o we_o be_v further_o confirm_v see_v such_o a_o order_n be_v in_o outward_a appearance_n and_o according_a to_o undeniable_a experience_n in_o the_o anabaptist_n brownist_n &_o other_o attend_v with_o manifold_a disorder_n confusion_n &_o dissipation_n of_o church_n 111._o though_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o the_o people_n have_v be_v oftentimes_o wise_a in_o their_o choice_n &_o sound_a in_o the_o faith_n then_o their_o minister_n which_o yet_o three_z of_o those_o 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