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B20736	The vvay of the churches of Christ in New-England, or, The vvay of churches walking in brotherly equalitie, or co-ordination, without subjection of one church to another measured and examined bythe golden reed of the sanctuary, containing a full declaration of the church-way in all particulars / by Mr. J. Cotton ...	Cotton, John, 1584-1652.	1645 (1645)	Wing C6471; ESTC R209858	96,219	122

the tenth Epistle of his fourth Booke That he ordained Numiditus a Confessor to be a Presbyter of his Church who was not at first called to be a Preacher Ambrose though he out-lived those times of purer government yet beareth full witnesse to the honorable use of Ruling Elders in the Church before his time For in his Comment on 1 Tim. 15.1 giving a reason why the Apostle would have Elders in yeares honoured even in the healing of their faults he urgeth the honour of old age in all Nation Whence saith he it was that the Synagogue and afterwards the Church had Elders without whose Counsell nothing was done in the Church which by what negligence is growne out of use in the Church I know not unlesse by the sloath of Teachers or rather pride whilest they onely would seeme to be somewhat Against this testimony because it is pregnant sundry exceptions or rather evasions are taken As 1. That the Author of this Testimony was not that ancient Ambrose the famous Bishop of Millaine but some other later of that name Ans And what though yet all men acknowledge this other Ambrose whose Testimony this is to be an ancient learned Writer and therefore his Testimony of the Antiquitie of Ruling Elders is sufficient to silence that charge and brave flourish that Ruling Elders are utterly unknowne and unheard of from all Antiquitie for 1500. yeares A second Exception they give is that Ambrose speaketh not of Elders in Office but in yeares without whose Counsell not without whose authoritie nothing was done in the Church Answ 1. It is evident he speaketh of the Elders in the Church as in the Synagogue now the Elders were Rulers in the Synagogues as appeareth by sundry places in the Gospel 2. That nothing was done without their counsell implyeth that nothing was done without their authoritie as the same phrase of other Ancients imply when they speak of the concurrence of the Councel of Presbyters in Church-government for in that sense speaketh Cyprian to his Presbyters Epistolarum lib. 3. Epist 10. A primordio Episcopatus mei I determined with my self nihil sine consilio vestro sine consensu plebis meâ privatim sententiâ gerere and that not out of courtesie but as the words in the next sentence implies Sicuti honor mutuus poscit And in the same sense Jeromes words to the like purpose implies Authority in such Councels whereby the Presbyters of each Church governed their own Church though otherwise in governing other Churches they imply rather advice then authority his words are before factions and schismes grew in the Church Communi Presbyterorum consilio Ecclesiae gubernabantur Hierome in the 2. Tome of his works and upon Titus A third exception they give is that by Elders are meant preaching Elders whom the Bishops were wont to consult withall in government but now had left it off either by the idlenesse of the learned Teachers who for their own ease gave over meddling with matters pertaining to government or by the pride of the learned Bishops who took all upon themselves that they alone might seem to be somewhat For if you expound Pastorum for the Teachers or Pastors of Parishes only as the Presbyterians do or for Bishops alone as others do I cannot see saith Dr. Downham how the excluding of Seniors and taking the whole burthen and imployment upon themselves could by Ambrose be imputed as a matter of sloth and idlenesse either in the Pastor to exclude lay Elders or in Bishops to exclude learned Presbyters Ans 1. The words of Ambrose do plainly imply not only that consulting with Elders was grown out of use but that the Elders themselves who were wont to be consulted with were grown out of use also for his words be the Synagogue and afterwards the Church had Elders without whose counsell nothing was done in the Church c. which plainly intimateth the Church formerly had such but then hath them not they are obsolete and accordingly consulting with them is obsolete also 2. It is plain these Elders are opposite to Doctors or Teachers or if you will so construe them learned men and therefore these Elders were neither Doctors nor Teachers nor Learned men But to appropriate the name of Doctors or Teachers or Learned men to Bishops only were too great an arrogancy in Bishops and too great an injury to the learned Pastors and Teachers in every age till Antichrist his darknesse overwhelmed all in ignorance as well Bishops as Pastors 3. It may be marvelled why those learned opposites that make this exception should understand Ambrose to attribute it to the idlenesse of the Teachers that for their own ease they gave over meddling in matters appertaining to government when as rather it was the Bishops and their parties idlenesse that they gave over labouring in Word and Doctrine and their pride that they ingrossed all rule and government into their own hands and therefore when they say they cannot see how the excluding of Seniors and the taking of the whole burthen of government upon themselves could by Ambrose be imputed as a matter of sloth and idlenesse either in the Pastors or Bishops surely if men do not willingly shut their eyes they may see and daily experience maketh it palpably evident that they who are most idle in teaching are most busie and proud in government so that the Doctorum desidia aut magis superbia which Ambrose maketh to be the two causes why Seniors in the Church and consulting with them were then both of them grown out of use need no Comment to expound the same but the perpetuall practice of those persons who have from the former ages to this very day usurped all Church-government into their own hands If any man say as some have done that whatsoever this Ambrose saith yet that famous Bishop Ambrose doth utterly disclaim it in his Epistle to Valentinian that any lay Ruler should be Judge of Church-offices and causes let him take for an answer that which hath been often given that we utterly deny those ruling Elders to be Lay-men or lay Judges but part of that Church body which those ancient times called Clerus If it be said againe as also it is that Ambrose calleth his Presbyters Antistites and Vicars of God and such like stiles of high honour let them understand that the least office of rule in the Church of God to a spirituall eye will easily and safely admit as great acknowledgements as these be onely to flesh and blood nothing seemeth divine and high but secular pompe and worldly glory Having thus rescued the Testimony of Ambrose unto Ruling Elders from all Exceptions of any colourable weight made against it Let us adde onely one observation out of Antiquitie which may give some further light to the cause in hand It is well known to all such as are studious of Antiquitie that it was counted a rare and insolent matter for an Elder to preach in the presence of a

Bishop which was the cause why the good old Bishop Valerius was hardly spoken of for suffering Augustine a Presbyter though a learned Presbyter to preach before him which is said never any African Bishop had allowed before him Now whence should such an offence as was taken against Valerius arise but from translating the silence of Ruling Elders from Preaching in the presence of Pastors and Teachers unto those Presbyters also who were called oft to preach the Word freely and diligently as well as the Bishops themselves But when through corruption of times Bishops claimed to themselves the principall pastorall cure of Soules then it was taken for an offensive matter that Teaching Elders should preach before them as before it was unwonted for Ruling Elders to preach before the Teaching ordinarily Object But there remaines one objection or two which some learned and prudent men have made against the office of Ruling Elders Object 1. It is not credible that the office of Ruling Elders should be of Divine or Apostolicall Institution and no footsteps left of it in any Church of Christ for these many hundred yeares Popery it selfe though it corrupted all Ordinances yet retaineth some footsteps of every Ordinance of Christ though much perverted from the first Institution But there are no footsteps at all of those Ruling Elders extant in any Church but those of Genevah and such as have followed their patterne For though some tell us of Church-Wardens and Vestry men in the Parish Churches of England who assist the Preachers in the governing of the Church yet there is a great difference between them and Ruling Elders For these Church-Wardens and Vestry men are appointed not for assistance to the Ministers in governing the Church but for other purposes As Church-Wardens for keeping the Churches stock and laying it out upon necessary repaires of the place of Gods Worship called the Church and the Vestry being a company of the wisest and richest Parishioners that have been or are to be Church-Wardens are exercised in auditing the accompts of the Church-Wardens and Collectors for the poore And though now and then they are taken up in admonishing an unruly neighbour yet they doe it not by Authoritie as Rulers but by Christian discretion and charitie Answ Wee doe not say that Church-Wardens and Vestry men are the same with Ruling Elders for though they are both chose by the body of the Church yet in the choice the qualifications of Ruling Elders are not attended to nor are they so ordained either with the like holy Solemnitie or invested with the same measure of spirituall power nor allowed to continue for life as Ruling Elders are and ought to be But yet such as they be wee may see in them some footsteps and remnants and as it were Rudera of that holy and ancient Ordinance so much as is escaped out of the ruines of Antichristian Apostasie For to say nothing of Chancellors Commissaries and Officialls who are meere Lay Elders and yet administer Church-Government not in one Church onely but in many scores of Churches what other thing soundeth the very name of Church-Wardens Guardiani Ecclesiae but Church-Guardians or Church-Rulers And what is the company of Vestrymen but a kinde of a Consistory Secondly Though by the Sophistry of Satan and of his Vicar the man of sin a great part of this care is transformed from ordering the spirituall body of the Church to take care of the body of the materiall Church or Temple yet what power of Government is left in any Congregation besides Preaching the Word the Church-Wardens and Vestery men doe assist the Ministers in managing the same they observe all scandalous disorders that are found in any of the Church-Ministers or people they admonish the offenders And though they be over-rulers to present all disorders to the Cathedrall Church and the Officers thereof which of right they should complaine of when the offenders are incorrigible onely to their own Congregation yet it is an usuall thing for the Bishop and his Officers to returne such offenders having first paid them their fees to the Minister and Church-Wardens to make acknowledgement of their offences before them and to professe their amendment of which also they must bring a Certificate under the Minister and Church-Wardens hands Yea of our knowledge there be some peculiar priviledged Churches in England exempted from the Jurisdiction of the Bishop and his Officers where the Church-Wardens and Ministers either by themselves or with the consent of the Congregation doe transact all that Government which in other Churches the Bishop and his Officers doe invade and usurpe as to admonish offenders to enjoyne acknowledgement of scandalous offences and to debarre from the Sacraments c. And by this means they represse idlenesse drunkennesse swearing Sabbath-breaking and the like disorders with better successe then other Townes can doe who have the helpe of Major and Justices but not so much spirituall power in the Church but by that power which is still left in some Churches unto their Ministers and Guardians or Rulers it may not obscurely appeare that anciently they did enjoy it amongst themselves before one Church began to Lord it over another Object The other Objection which is made against Ruling Elders is That it is a matter of perilous consequence to set up Rulers in the Church and that by Authoritie from the Word of God when yet the Word hath no where set forth the limits and bounds of their Authoritie Answ The word of God hath clearly enough limited the bounds of a Ruling Elders Calling and the worke of his Rule For since all Ecclesiasticall power is the power of the keyes not of the Sword Matth. 16.19 And the Kingdome of Christ is not of this world Joh. 18.36 It is plaine no Church-Governour may take up the power of the sword to wit Civill Jurisdiction without usurpation The power of the sword is Princely Lordly But the power of the Keys is onely Stewardly and Ministeriall For so it is said the Keys of the House of David to Eliakim Isa 22.22 And he was over the House Ver. 15. Which phrase of being over the House is translated properly Gen. 43.19 Steward of the House Seeing then the Kingdome of Christ is spiritnall and not worldly and the Government of his Kingdome is not Lordly but Stewardly and Ministeriall evident it is that these Ruling Elders in the Church may onely attend to works of spirituall and ministeriall Rule And further because such acts of spirituall Rule as are dispenced in the preaching of the Word the Ruling Elders are not called to attend unto but that worke is left unto Pastors and Teachers Therefore plaine it is that what acts soever of spirituall Rule and Government Christ hath committed to his Church over and above the Ministery of the Word and Sacraments All such acts of Rule are committed to the Ruling Elders and none but such To Instance then in the particular duties of the Ruling Elders Office