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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A19505	Seuen dayes conference betweene a catholicke christian, and a catholicke Romane. Concerning some controuersies of religion. By William Cowper, B. of Galloway.	Cowper, William, 1568-1619.	1613 (1613)	STC 5934; ESTC S112854	58,489	262

hundreth and fiue Gallia Britannia Africa Persis oriens I●dia omnes barbarae Nationes vnum Christum adorant vnam obseruant regulam veritatis R. But why then by some is Palladius called Scotorum Apostolus C. Men may giue names as they please but hee and Servanus Sedulius Nimanus and many more came but in the fiue hundreth yeare of our Lord and may well haue beene waterers of our Church but sure it is they were not the first planters of it R. It is likely indeed to be so C. But to returne Vnder Diocletian in the three hundreth yeare great persecution was made by that Tyrant in al Christian Churches and among the rest the Church of South Britaine was also persecuted by his Deputies for the which many fled to Crachlint King of Scots who did louingly receiue them and assigned to them the Isle of M●n and erected there a Temple dedicated to Christ called otherwise Sodo●ēsis ecclesia wherin they peaceably worshipped Christ Iesus and this our owne Chronicle witnesseth After this in the dayes of Fethelmacus which was about the ●ift yeare of the Emperour Constantius there came into this Countrie one Regulus Albatus out of Achaia a Prouince in Graecia but the Countrie was conuerted also long before hee came Therefore ●iergus● King of the Pictes gaue him his Palace hee had in Fy●●e where hee built the Church of Saint Andrew desire you still to heare any more R. Truely I am very glad to heare that we haue beene so ancient Christians and yet there remaines a doubt in my heart that the Gospell came neuer hither but out of Rome C. Remember you not what I haue prooued seeing wee are but three yeares in Christianitie behinde Rome thinke you in so small time they did so encrease that they spread out their branches to the vttermost parts of the earth Yea rather if you will reade the Storie you shall finde that for three hundreth yeares wherein are many three yeares they were so vexed by the persecutors that they could not get their owne Church stablished as after it was when God relented the persecution But to come n●erer yet vnto you whether hee was an Apostle or an Apostolicke man that first planted our Church I will giue you two great reasons that wee haue our Faith from the Greeke or East Churches not frō the Latine or West Church R. Nowe that is the point and I pray you once cleare it for I thinke if you euince that the Church of Rome in her best estate hath beene vnto vs a sister Church but no mother church C. My first Argument is from Petrus Cluniacensis Abbas writing to Bernard who affirmes that for seuen or eight hundred yeares after Christ the Scottishmen did celebra●e the Passeouer all this time after the Grecian maner not aster the Romane R. I vnderstand not that C. Then I will tell you it Soone after the dayes of the Apostles there happened a controuersie betweene the Churches of the East and West about the celebration of the Passeouer They of the East did obserue it the fourteenth day of the Moone that same day wherein the Iewes kept their Passeouer They againe of the West thinking they would haue no communion with the Iewes did celebrate it the next Sabboth after the fourteenth day Polïcrates with the orientall Bishops alledged the authoritie of Iohn Philip Policarp yea the prescript of the Euangell for their warrant Victor and the Bishops of the West alledged for their warrant Saint Peter Saint Paul Such as were more moderate misliked to see a Schisme in the Church for so small a matter Irenaeus iudgeth Obseruationes ill●s esse liber●s Socrates Ostendit nec Victorem nec Policraten iustam habuisse causam de festo Paschatis tam odiose digladiandi Nam nec Seruator inquit nec Apostoli 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Seeing neither our Sauiour nor his Apostles by any Law hath commanded the obseruation thereof R. Truely it was a lamentable thing to see so sore a renting of the Church for so small a cause C. It was indeede and yet that in this controuersie the Churches of Britaine obserued the manner of the Easterne Church it is an argument they reuerenced the East Church for their mother from whome the grace of the Gospell had come to them R. It is indeede likely If these Churches had beene planted by Romish Doctors they would haue also receiued the Romish ceremonies C. But there is yet an other Argument Galsrid the Cardinall in his Storie of Britaine which hee wrote in the seuen hundreth yeare witnesseth that the Britans would not receiue Augustinus Iunior the Legate of Gregorie the great nor yet acknowledge any primacie of the Bishop of Rome ouer them An euident argument they esteemed not the Romish Church to be their Mother Church To cleare this you shall know that in the sixt hundreth yeare Gregorius magnus sent into England Augustinus Iunior to perswade the Church there to receiue the Romish ceremonies which to that day they had not knowne as Altars Images Vestiments Crosses wherein albeit hee had not such speedie successe as hee would yet at length did he obtaine it and intended also to effect the like in the Church of Scotland but was strongly resisted by Daganus and Columbanus Qui nullam in ritibus mutationem admittere voluerunt Againe in the seuen hundreth yeare a great schisme was in the church of Britaine some refusing the Ceremonies of the Romish Church keeping still their ancient custome for the which they pretended the authoritie of Saint Iohn the Evangelist Others againe embracing the Romish ceremonies which part waxed the stronger in that King Osuvius inclined to them Alway the matter was debated with so hot contention that from words it came to wepons and twelue hundreth Church-men were slain that refused the Romish Ceremonies this is all the good the Britaine Church got from the Popes Legate yet the euill rested not heere for at length in the eight hundreth yeare by th● perswasion of one Ecbertus this part of the Isle was also induced to receiue the Romish Ceremonies and thereafter their corrupt doctrine And thus did the Bishop of Rome first obtaine superioritie ouer vs and disgrace by his foolish inventions the glorie and sinceritie of the Chur●h of Britaine By all this discourse which truely I haue made vnto you it may be evident how vainely and without a cause the defenders of the Romish Church brag of their ancient Primacie ouer all Churches and specially how far they wrong this Isle when they will haue Rome caled a mother to the Churches here which vnlesse you will adde one syllable cannot be admitted for indeed she is a Stepmother and in a word that Infamous Whoore of Babel who as shee hath corrupted the Churches with her abhominable Superstitions no maruell if shee hath at length infected vs also That Rome is B●bel I will shew GOD willing in our next conference where we shall yet more abūdantly

Potens est Dominus misericordiâ suá indulgentiam dare non tamen q●ia semel erratum est ideo semper errandum est God is able of his great mercy to giue indulgence but yet there is no reason that wee should alway●s ●rr● because they once did erre R. In truth that is a very modest answere C. But heare you what further he saith Si quis ex Antecessoribus nostris vel ignoranter vel simpliciter non hoc obseruanit tenuit quod nos Dominus exemplo suo docuit potest simplicitatieius de indulgentiâ Domini venia concedi nobis vero non poterit ignosci quia à Domino admoniti instructi sumus If any of our forefathers either of ignorance or simplicity hath not holden and obserued that which the Lord hath taught vs to doe by his example there may bee mercie granted to his simplicity out of Gods indulgence but we cannot be forgiuen who now are otherwise instructed admonished by the Lord. R. That answer I see is more sharp and yet most reasonable many things are excusable in the night that are not tolerable in the day The seruant that knows his M●sters will and do●h it not is worthy of double stripes C. And I am glad you see it and I would many more had their eyes open to see it who thinke Papistry now tolerable in the dayes of light as it was in the dayes of darkenesse it was a fault then for euen the seruāt who knowes not his Masters will shall be stricken but it is a double fault now for hee who knowes his Masters will and does the contrary shall haue double s●ripes R. Then I see you will not giue out iudgement vpon the persōs of Papists whether they bee saued or damned C. Indeed I will not and that for two causes first because as I haue said many are Papists by name which are no Papists some of ignorance some of vaine glory some of policy to get themselues the more credite And as to these who are infected indeed with the heresies of Papistrie yet is it vncertain if they shall so continue for the Lord is ma●uellous in working with such as belong to his election that howsoeuer for the pr●sent wee see them in sinne and ignorance ye● know wee not what they will be ● so many secret wayes ●●th the Lord in time of sickn●sse yea in the very howre of d●ath to draw the h●arts of m●n toward● himselfe which are hid from vs that it w●re but presumption to iudge of an other mans saluation or reprobation R. Indeed I commēd you for I thinke you speak with that sobriety which becom● a christiā C. And yet whatsoeuer I haue said concerning the persons of Papists there is further to bee saide of Papistrie it selfe that it is a doctrine so full of heresies so directly contrary to the doctrine of the Gospell that I dare say a man beleeuing all the points of Papistrie and perseuering in them ●o the end without repentance cannot bee saued R. Now that is the point I pray you make it cleare C. It is cleare by these places following which will shew you that Papistrie is a doctrine of Diuels a plague of God and a iust punishment laied on reprobate men for their sinnes and a forerunner of the wrath to come R. Good sooth I quake to heare this C. You shall see them al particularly qualified and first there is a Prophesie made by the Apostle of the defection which was to come in these words Now the spirite speakes euidently that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith giuing heed to the spirites of error doctrine of Diuels which speake lies in hipocrisie hauing their conscience burned with an hote yron forbidding to marrie and commanding to abstaine from meates c. Perceiue you not here that the doctrine which forbids mariage and commands abstinence from meates is called a doctrine of diuels R. Very well but that is meant of heretikes which were soone after the Apostles daies as Ebio●its Marcionits c. C. Nay that is a sillie shift for he saieth these teachers shal come in the latter times and the departure from the faith wherof hee prophesieth was not to come till the fall of the Roman Empire but in the daies of Ebion Marcion c. the Roman Empire was in great glorie R. But if that bee meant of any Apostasie in the later times it is of your sect will they say that hath fallen frō the church of Rome C. It cannot be meant of vs for wee neithe● forbid mariage nor command abstinence from meates for conscience sake R. That is verie true but may not the Church for some causes command abstinencie frō meats C. Yes for Prayer and deuotion and that for a time onely but not because any meate is vncleane or one meat is holier then an other as they thinke their Chartrouse Monkes more holy that neuer eate flesh then others are and why forsooth because flesh and not fish was accursed in the daies of Noah R. Indeed that seemes to be somewhat superstitious C. Well I will enter into no more particulars concerning this question It is cleare these are two points of Papisticall doctrine called by the Apostle doctrine of Diuels So I proceede There shall arise false Christs and false Prophets and shall shew great signes and wonders so that if it were possible they should deceiue the very elect Mat. 24.24 The comming of Antichrist by the working of Satan with all power and signes and lying wonders 2. Thess. 2.9 And in a●● deceiuablenesse of vnrighteousnes among them that perish because they receiued not the truth ●hat they might bee saued ibid ver 10. And therefore God shall send them strong delusions that they should belieue lies verse 11. That all they might be damned which belieued not the truth but had pleasure in vnrighteousnesse ver 12. All that dwell vpon the earth shall worship the beast whose names are not written in the Book● of life of the Lamb which was slain from the beginning Reuel 13.8 And he deceiued them which dwelt on earth by the signes which were permitted him to doe ver 14. If any man worshippe the beast c. the same shall drinke of the wine of the wrath of God and shall bee tormented in fire and brimstone Reu. 14.9.10 Goe out of Babel my people that yee bee not partakers of her sinnes and receiue not of her plagues These places make cleare vnto you that it is onelie the reprobate worldly-minded called therefore dwellers on the earth whose names are not written in the book of life children of perdition it is only they I say who are fullie and finally deceiued with the spirit of Antichrist and that in Gods righteous iudgement are giuen ouer to belieue lies because they receiued not the loue of the truth What thinke yee of these R. In truth I am astonished to heare these fearefull places C. This is yet further cleared