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A45828	A peaceable enquiry into that novel controversie about reordination With certain close, but candid animadversions upon an ingenious tract for the lawfulness of reordination; written by the learned and Reverend Mr. J. Humphrey. By R.I.	I. R.	1661 (1661)	Wing I10A; ESTC R219975	68,572	176

the Sacrament and instead of Amen to say I will not fly to Cornelius Now then let any one judge whether all that were Presbyterially ordained were such as Novatus or their ordinations like his if they were let them be censured with him but if not we crave justice 2. Let us consider the case of Aerius who was condemned by Epiphanius for an Heretick as some say for maintaining an 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 betwixt Bishops and Presbyters But I suppose that Aerius was condemned by Epiphanius on this account yet I hope you will not think Epiphanins's censure sufficient to make Aerius an Heretick for if you do then you must acknowledge that he was an Heretick for denying prayer for the dead for denying the Paschal Fast as Judaical sith Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us For on these accounts was he condemned for an Heretick by Epiphan Yea and other Doctrine shall you find condemned by Epiphan for heresies which the very Papists themselves will acknowledge for verities Haere●●s nomen rebus levissimis impingitur Ludo. Vlv. Quid est Pascha saith Aerius quod apud v●s per ficitur Iudaicis fabulis rursus addicti est●s qua ratione nominatis post mortem nom na mortuorum Orat vivens quid profuerit mortuo Aerius Arianus qaidem in totum aliter enim non fentit quam velut Arrius furiosus mente elatus opinione magnam mult●tndinem allexit sugabatur cum sitis ah Eccles●is c. quid est Episcopus ad Presbyterum Nihil differth●c ab illo unus enim est ordo unus inqu●t honor unadignitas Epiphan haeres 75. 2. It is evident that Epiphan understood by heresie any doctrine pertinaciously held against the Church whether fundamental or not and so his heresie seems to me to be sometimes but a higher degree of or an aggravated Schism 3. But if Epiphan had understood the word heresie never so strictly yet Aerius being an Arrian might and is thereupon called an Heretick 4. I do not observe that Epiphan anywhere cals Aerius an Heretick meerly and simply upon the account of his Ifotomy nay confident I am that some Doctors of our own do deny it and particularly if my memory exceedingly fail me not Bishop Jewel and Doctor Field 5. If Aerius held an equality not only in order but degree and dignity also as no doubt if Epiphan may be credited he did then some of ours ordained by the Presbyters cannot be brought under that censure 6. But if it were heretical to say that Bishops and Presbyters were but one order by divine right what then is Catholick 7. It seems that Aerius was furious and turbulent and divided the Church of God being settled but so it cannot be said of many Presbyterially ordained So then what is the Instance of a disowned Arrian schismatical Aerius to orthodox peaceable Presbyters 3. We come to consider the instance of Coluthus and whether it be forcible or friendly to argue from the pretended ordination of Ischyras by Coluthus to the ordination by Presbyters 1. Socrates Ecclehist l. 1. c. 20 21. tels us August in Euseb ecc hist 595. One Ischyras practised privily such a kind of offence as deserved a hundred kinds of death 2. When he had never taken orders it is said he called himself a Minister and presumed to exercise the office of a Priest 3. Nay more Athanasius accused him to have received no orders at all 4. He raised heavy slanders and reproaches against Athanasius such as I scarce ever read on before 5. The Coluthians of which party Ischyras was affirm that the evil of punishment cometh not from God 6. This Ischyras adheared to Euseb us and the Arian faction as the other Meletians did whom though Epiphan will not call Hereticks but Sectaries yet Socrates will and gives us this account thereof Meletus Bishop of a certain City in Egypt ●●ccl l. 1. c. 3. beside sundry other causes specially for that in time of persecution he had renounced the faith and sacrificed unto Idols was deprived of his Bishoprick by Peter Bishop of Allendria which suffered martyrdom under Dioclesian 7. It is said by Doctor Field and others Of the Church l. 3. c. 39 That Ischyras was deposed for being ordained by Coluthus a Presbyter not because such ordination was void in its own nature but from the strictness of the Canon 8. If I might give my judgement upon the diligent perusal of the whole story I should say That I fear irregular contentions more then irregular ordinations caused such frequent deprivations and that uncharitable animosities more then antiscriptural heresies drew up such dismal charges against each other And will not now adayes some surmise that these are the principles within when they see such practices without But to conclude according to the history what is the deprivation of a scandalous heretical schismatical unordained Ischyras to justifie the deprivation of holy orthodox peaceable ordained Presbyters Reader scorn not at these Epithets for verily we will submit to the severest tryal before fit Judges and those Presbyters that are not found such we will be content they should be deprived on condition those that are so may be confirmed 4. Now I come to consider whether the condemnation of Maximus by the Constantinopolitan Councel and those that were ordained by him will warrant a condemnation of Presbyterian ordination Gregory Nazianzen the person chiefly eoncerned in this transaction assures us that Maximus was a very wicked debauched person thus he paints him Poema de vita sua ad popul Constant 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Yea more he cals him 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Yea the very Citizens of Constantinople were mad at him and accused his wicked life 2. He invaded without the consent or knowledge of the Bishop Clergy or fraternity the Church of Anastasia in Constantinople Gregory Nazianzen B●shop there being sick 3. He came in the night 4. With many bribed persons 5. Was ordained in the Church into which they brake by certain Bishops of Aegypt and so out of their own confine sent by Peter Bishop of Alexandria is Bishop Bilson cals them But 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Perpetual Gov. 254. and as Gregory Nazianzen faith of them 6. He was ordained Bishop In Apol. 339. never being ordained Deacon or Presbyter before as Doctor Blondel tels us 7. He was droven out of Constantinople by the people 8. When he addressed himself to the Emperour Theodosius Greg. Na. Poem ib. he was repulsed with great wrath and formidable threats 9. Yet not quiet he goes to Alexandria and there drives Bishop Peter out of his Chair 10. Though it is true he was condemned by the Constantinopolitan Councel yet I find not the least mention that he was ordained by Presbyters only or for such ordination that be was deposed Take the Canon it self and make your best of it Propter totius indisciplinationis ●jus doctrinam quae Constantinopoli orta

repeti inquit Ecclesiasticae prohibent regulae Insent Com. l. 4. in dist in 1. p. 1● semel sanctificatis nulla deinceps manus iterum consecrans praesumit accedere nemo sacros ordines semel datos iterum renovat nemo impositioni manuum vtministerio derogat sacerdotum quia contumeliaesset Spiritus Sancti si evacuari posset quod ille sanctificat alia sanctificatione emendaret quod semel ille statuit confirmat 7. Is not reordination an injury to our incomparable Charter by which is conveyed from the King of Saints this power and priviledge ministerial to rule in his spiritual Corporation It is certainly true that as Christs Church is a spiritual Corporation under himself the Head so is his Gospel the Charter thereof by which Instrument as 〈◊〉 have said the King of Kings ordains the Offices describes the persons ordaining and ordained and gives power to both to give and receive in his limited way authority to execute the same And further it is here supposed that the Officer in the Question is constitute according to this Charter in all necessaries Now to submit to another constitution by those that deny the former is it nor to desert yea to infringe and violate our Charter To exemplify this matter suppose an Officer in one of our Corporations constituted according to their Charter should be disowned for a true Officer and required to admit a new Constitution would not the Burgesses and Freemen cry out that this would be a violation of their Charter and therefore they will adventure the displeasure of great ones the trouble and vexation of tedious Law-suits the large expence of their treasure rather then thus to violate their Charter Now judge whether ours be not a parallel case 8. Either you own the latter ordination as a proper ordination or not as a proper ordination If as a proper ordination then do you not ipso facto renounce your former ordination Yea though you should in words protest your owning of your former ordination yet do not your works in reordination disown it and give your words the lye For it seems impossible for two distinct proper investitures to be upon one person as I suppose I have proved already and which I further strengthen thus how can a single person be subjectum capax of a twofold ministerial power when the most excellent person in this world is scarce subjectum capax of one The whole man is but the subject of one ministerial power what then is left in that man to be the subject of the other But it may be some wide-●●ared brain may fancy that there is a coallition of these two proper Ordinations and the relations flowing thence but if so I desire to know by what Law that can be It is well known that moral beings depend upon some Law and if there be any Law to unite these two beings the old man and the young man the Presbyters and the Prelatist let it be produced and I shall the g●ateful for such a discovery But on the other hand if you say the latter is no proper ordination which yet is a proper ordination in it self and so commonly used and esteemed are you not guilty of a mendacium in verbis Nay more shall you not whilst in words you deny the latter ordination and yet indeed receive it be guilty of a mendacium in factis May not what moderate B●shop Davenant saith against a Protestants being present at the Mass which yet in words he disclaims thinking thereby to salve his conscience be fitly enoogh applied to this case Determ 7. Hans pugnam externam saith the B shop actionum cum interna mentis sententia foedissimam simulationem dico mendacium nihilo tolerabilius quam si quis expressis verbis se Missam Papisticam approbare testaretur nam ad virtutem veritatis pertinet ut quis talem se exhibeat per signa exteriora qualis revera existit At qui opponitur buic veritati cum aliquis per signa factorum contrar●um ejus significat quod in mente clausum habet quam simulationem mendacium in factis licet appellare uti recte Aquinas qui itaque Pap staru● missas examino aversatur at que retinet interim externam hanc cum illis particip●tionem co damnabilius agit quia quod mendaciter agit sic agit tamen ut eum populus veraciter agere existimet And Baldwin how much soever any may reckon him a Patron of reordination speaks of the Popish Ordinations thus C. C. p. 1045. Hac omnia partim superstistiosa partim ridicula approbare cogitur is qui a Pontificiis ordinationem petit quis autem hoc bona cum conscientia facere potest neque excusat quod talis ordinatio cum protestation● suscipitur ordinandum nimirum non Pap●sticas traditiones sed dogmata Scripturae sacrae consona nihilominus propositurum esset nam protestatio haec facto est centraria quia ipsae ordinatio Patistica est pars doctrinae Papisticae c. 9. Whether it be not ipso facto to acknowledge that the person in the Question is no Presbyter when he shall step back to the Deacons office in order to be a Presbyter Here it is to be premised that our reordained Reordainers do make Deaconry a step or degree to Presbytery and that no man may be ordained a Presbyter that is not first ordained a Deacon neither is this abated in reordination See the form of making and consecrating Bishops Priests and Deacons where it is declared that here it must be shewed unto the Deacon that he must continue in that office of a Deacon the space of a whole year at the least except for reasonable causes it be otherwise seen to his Ordinary to the intent he may be perfect and expert in the things appertaining to the Ecclesiastical administration in the executing whereof if he be found faithful and diligent he may be admitied by his Diocesan to the order of Priesthood The Canons made in the year 1603. inform us that the office of a Deacon Can. 28. being a step or degree to the M●nistry according to the antient Fathers and the practice of the Primitive Church we do ordain and appoint that hereafter no Bishop shall make any person of what quality or gifts soever a Deacon and a Priest both together on one day but that the order in that behalf prescribed in the book of making and consecrating Bishops Presbyters and Deacons be strictly observed Hence it appears that a Deaconry is a medium to Presbytery and therefore will not the use of this mean be an acknowledgement that the end is not atrained For acquisito fine cessant media Again it is certain that the office of a Deacon is less then the office of a Presbyter and will it not thence follow that he that seeks the less doth thereby acknowledge that he hath not attained the greater Because Omne majus continet in se