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Demands to be propounded of Catholickes to the heretikes by Richard Bristow ... ; taken partly out of his late English booke of Motiues to the Catholicke faith, partely out of his printed Latin booke of the same matter.
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Bristow, Richard, 1538-1581.
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STC 3801.5; ESTC S1528
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succession_n and_o whether_o our_o church_n can_v show_v in_o plain_a authentical_a writing_n the_o continual_a succession_n of_o her_o bishope_n and_o pastor_n with_o their_o flock_n ever_o since_o the_o apostle_n time_n or_o whether_o the_o protestant_n church_n can_v do_v the_o like_a yea_o whether_o they_o can_v in_o our_o country_n refer_v themselves_o any_o further_a then_o to_o the_o letter_n patent_n of_o the_o prince_n and_o whether_o this_o have_v not_o be_v nat_n be_v opt._n l._n 2._o f._n 15._o hier._n in_o mic._n 1._o aug._n in_o psa_n con_fw-mi par_fw-fr do._n nat_n always_o use_v as_o a_o mark_n most_o certain_a to_o know_v the_o true_a church_n from_o schismatic_n and_o heretic_n even_o in_o the_o 31._o the_o 3._o reg._n 12._o g._n 31._o old_a testament_n also_o the_o 44._o demand_n apostolic_a church_n vhhether_o in_o the_o creed_n that_o we_o in_o our_o mass_n and_o they_o in_o their_o communion_n do_v use_v this_o word_n apostolical_a be_v or_o can_v be_v put_v in_o as_o a_o plain_a mark_n to_o know_v the_o church_n which_o we_o must_v believe_v but_o only_o as_o it_o direct_v we_o to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n see_v by_o experience_n that_o all_o other_o apostolical_a church_n har._n trent_n de_fw-fr praes_fw-la har._n be_v now_o fail_v or_o whether_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v not_o apostolical_a as_o be_v the_o sea_n of_o the_o two_o most_o glorious_a &_o chief_a apostle_n 165._o iren._n l._n 3._o c._n 3._o op_v l._n 2._o aug_n ep_v 165._o s._n peter_n and_o s._n paul_n or_o whether_o in_o time_n of_o schism_n and_o heresy_n the_o father_n in_o their_o time_n have_v many_o sea_n apostolic_a do_v not_o chief_o look_v themselves_o and_o direct_v other_o to_o the_o apostolic_a sea_n of_o rome_n show_v thereby_o that_o the_o truth_n be_v they_o because_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n that_o come_v of_o the_o apostle_n by_o lineal_a succession_n be_v they_o and_o therefore_o whether_o we_o have_v not_o just_a cause_n to_o follow_v their_o example_n special_o see_v that_o sea_n still_o hold_v on_o and_o continue_v as_o the_o father_n say_v it_o shall_v to_o the_o number_n now_o of_o two_o hundred_o and_o thirty_o bishope_n don._n aug._n in_o ps_n count_v part_n don._n whereas_o to_o those_o father_n time_n there_o be_v not_o forty_o the_o 45._o demand_n changinge_v whether_o we_o have_v not_o yet_o again_o just_a cause_n to_o keep_v we_o with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n see_v that_o the_o roman_n never_o change_v their_o faith_n which_o 19_o which_o act._n 2._o g._n 31._o rom._n 10_o c._n 12._o &_o 6._o 17._o &_o 16._o c._n 19_o they_o receive_v of_o s._n peter_n &_o s._n paul_n which_o be_v so_o plain_a that_o i_o appeal_v to_o the_o protestant_n themselves_o whether_o the_o roman_n do_v not_o for_o example_n pray_v for_o the_o dead_a even_o then_o when_o those_o father_n aforesaid_a do_v avouch_v that_o they_o be_v unchanged_a yea_o so_o wondenr_v even_o they_o also_o at_o aerius_n for_o deny_v the_o same_o that_o together_o with_o all_o other_o church_n they_o condemn_v he_o as_o a_o heretic_n for_o go_v about_o to_o change_v that_o which_o always_o unitll_v than_o they_o have_v keapte_v unchanged_a as_o they_o do_v keep_v it_o still_o both_o that_o &_o all_o the_o rest_n and_o that_o by_o the_o protestant_n own_o confession_n these_o thousand_o or_o twelve_o hundred_o year_n whereby_o no_o wise_a man_n can_v doubt_v but_o that_o they_o remain_v also_o the_o rest_n up_o to_o the_o apostle_n time_n also_o without_o change_n yea_o to_o consider_v no_o more_o but_o that_o since_o luther_n time_n the_o pope_n have_v not_o change_v one_o jot_n and_o that_o the_o heretic_n on_o the_o other_o side_n have_v not_o since_o then_o left_a nor_o do_v not_o leave_v change_v every_o day_n may_v to_o any_o man_n of_o indifferent_a judgement_n seem_v a_o demonstration_n that_o the_o pope_n never_o at_o all_o do_v change_v and_o as_o for_o one_o or_o two_o among_o all_o the_o pope_n who_o they_o charge_v with_o err_a first_o we_o deny_v it_o for_o it_o be_v most_o false_a as_o the_o learned_a catholic_n have_v well_o declare_v second_o we_o say_v suppose_v some_o pope_n have_v err_v yet_o never_o do_v any_o pope_n go_v about_o to_o change_v the_o roman_n faith_n with_o his_o error_n three_o we_o say_v and_o let_v the_o wise_a consider_v it_o well_o that_o be_v it_o so_o those_o pope_n do_v err_v &_o also_o go_v about_o to_o infect_v the_o roman_n with_o those_o error_n yet_o be_v it_o not_o those_o error_n wherewith_o the_o protestant_n do_v now_o charge_v the_o pope_n &_o the_o roman_n and_o therefore_o when_o they_o blasphemous_o burden_n s._n liberius_n with_o arrianisme_n or_o any_o other_o with_o the_o like_a they_o may_v better_o hold_v their_o peace_n than_o so_o to_o lie_v &_o yet_o their_o lie_n nothing_o at_o all_o unto_o the_o purpose_n the_o 46._o demand_n our_o ancestor_n save_v than_o whether_o all_o this_o while_n that_o they_o confess_v our_o church_n to_o have_v be_v at_o least_o 12_o hundred_o year_n they_o will_v say_v that_o all_o our_o and_o their_o father_n &_o mother_n grand_a father_n and_o grandmother_n and_o other_o ancestor_n kinsfolk_n &_o countryman_n and_o all_o other_o that_o have_v go_v so_o long_o for_o christian_a man_n c_o justin._n l._n 4._o cap._n 2_o in_o fine_a c_o be_v all_o damn_a in_o hell_n yea_o whether_o caluine_n himself_o do_v not_o confess_v the_o contrary_a that_o our_o church_n i_o say_v serve_v well_o the_o turn_n all_o this_o while_n to_o save_v man_n from_o hell_n and_o to_o bring_v man_n to_o heaven_n ask_v they_o then_o why_o it_o can_v serve_v still_o that_o turn_n as_o well_o or_o if_o they_o say_v that_o ignorance_n afore_o do_v excuse_v &_o now_o because_o of_o their_o preach_n it_o can_v ask_v they_o why_o they_o do_v confess_v that_o s._n augustine_n and_o such_o like_a be_v of_o all_o most_o sure_o save_v who_o yet_o have_v not_o this_o ignorance_n but_o know_v right_o well_o their_o new_a doctrine_n as_o in_o aerius_n jovinianus_n vigilantius_n &c_n &c_n and_o conden_v it_o for_o most_o wicked_a heresy_n and_o therefore_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o wisdom_n for_o all_o man_n to_o hold_v they_o still_o in_o our_o church_n or_o to_o return_v again_o unto_o it_o the_o 47._o demand_n communion_n of_o saint_n also_o whether_o their_o church_n as_o it_o never_o be_v in_o the_o world_n before_o now_o so_o now_o at_o their_o first_o appear_v have_v not_o commit_v many_o most_o foul_a absurdity_n in_o pinch_v up_o itself_o so_o narow_o into_o the_o straight_n of_o one_o small_a country_n that_o in_o it_o one_o christian_a man_n to_o another_o even_o in_o spiritual_a affair_n be_v a_o stranger_n that_o in_o it_o a_o ecclesiastical_a and_o apostolical_a power_n erect_v by_o christ_n be_v deem_v a_o foreiner_n that_o in_o it_o any_o general_n council_n that_o ever_o be_v or_o ever_o can_v be_v gather_v of_o the_o bishop_n of_o other_o nation_n of_o all_o christendom_n yea_o or_o of_o their_o own_o confederate_n can_v take_v bear_v or_o have_v no_o whit_n of_o authority_n that_o in_o it_o epistle_n direct_v from_o beyond_o the_o sea_n by_o s._n paul_n himself_o if_o he_o be_v alive_a such_o as_o his_o epistle_n to_o the_o roman_n corinthian_n &c_n &c_n can_v bear_v no_o sway_n that_o in_o it_o all_o the_o apostle_n together_o write_v from_o their_o synod_n of_o jerusalem_n as_o they_o do_v to_o the_o antiochian_o 15._o act._n 15._o may_v bear_v no_o stroke_n that_o in_o it_o christ_n himself_o without_o the_o king_n and_o the_o parliament_n consent_n may_v not_o dispose_v of_o his_o own_o church_n but_o hold_v his_o peace_n and_o leave_v his_o meddle_v like_o a_o foreiner_n as_o he_o be_v unless_o he_o will_v say_v that_o he_o be_v the_o natural_a king_n of_o england_n and_o displace_v the_o lawful_a heir_n of_o the_o king_n afore_o time_n because_o by_o their_o say_n that_o headship_n can_v be_v separate_v from_o the_o kingshipe_n be_v as_o they_o say_v a_o real_a natural_a and_o essential_a part_n thereof_o and_o therefore_o they_o shall_v not_o write_v the_o king_n of_o england_n head_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n no_o not_o under_o christ_n unless_o they_o will_v write_v he_o also_o king_n of_o england_n under_o christ._n of_o many_o other_o their_o absurdity_n 12.24_o conf._n l._n 9_o c._n 12.24_o as_o that_o s._n augustine_n there_o with_o our_o priest_n do_v his_o request_n shall_v forfeit_v a_o hundred_o mark_n for_o say_v mass_n for_o his_o mother_n soul_n etc._n etc._n i_o here_o say_v nothing_o the_o 33._o demand_n where_o christ_n work_v whether_o it_o be_v not_o our_o church_n only_o which_o now_o and_o ever_o be_v so_o bless_a of_o god_n and_o so_o imbrue_v with_o christ_n blood_n that_o she_o have_v grace_n in_o
bishop_n or_o priest_n of_o our_o church_n make_v which_o i_o touch_v a_o little_a before_o and_o many_o of_o they_o also_o monk_n as_o 28._o as_o soz._n l._n 6._o cap._n 15._o ruf._n l._n 2._o c._n 28._o s._n basil_n s._n gregory_n nazianzen_n jere._n nazianzen_n high_a proae_fw-la l._n 4._o in_o jere._n s._n hierome_n 40._o hierome_n aug._n ep_v 89._o q._n 4._o &_o con_fw-mi petil._n l._n 3_o cap._n 40._o s._n augustine_n 55._o augustine_n greg_n dial_n l._n 4._o cap._n 55._o s._n gregory_n of_o rome_n seu._n rome_n paul_n ep_v 7._o ad_fw-la seu._n s._n paulinus_n and_o many_o other_o and_o these_o and_o all_o the_o rest_n i_o say_v of_o one_o religion_n and_o therefore_o no_o one_o of_o they_o all_o of_o the_o protestant_n religion_n and_o therefore_o again_o the_o church_n at_o no_o time_n of_o the_o protestant_n religion_n the_o 27._o demand_v counsel_n whether_o they_o know_v not_o that_o their_o religion_n have_v be_v of_o late_o examine_v diligent_o and_o final_o condemn_v and_o we_o confirm_v in_o the_o general_n council_n of_o trent_n and_o whether_o ever_o any_o refuse_v to_o yield_v to_o a_o general_n council_n but_o only_a heretic_n and_o whether_o they_o can_v give_v any_o just_a cause_n why_o man_n shall_v believe_v that_o in_o old_a time_n general_n counsel_n may_v with_o authority_n define_v and_o determine_v of_o faith_n and_o religion_n &_o this_o council_n may_v not_o yea_o whether_o not_o only_o this_o but_o also_o any_o other_o general_a counsel_n be_v ever_o hold_v by_o protestant_n or_o for_o protestant_n and_o not_o all_o as_o well_o as_o this_o by_o man_n of_o our_o church_n and_o for_o our_o church_n as_o by_o bishop_n that_o be_v make_v after_o our_o manner_n aforesaid_a many_o of_o they_o be_v also_o monk_n and_o all_o of_o the_o same_o religion_n with_o monk_n have_v there_o also_o their_o deacon_n and_o subdeacons_n and_o acolytes_n etc._n etc._n wait_v upon_o they_o and_o no_o one_o of_o they_o ever_o that_o marry_v or_o think_v it_o lawful_a to_o marry_v after_o that_o he_o be_v make_v a_o bishop_n beside_o many_o other_o point_n of_o their_o doctrine_n also_o that_o may_v for_o we_o against_o the_o protestant_n be_v note_v in_o the_o act_n of_o those_o council_n final_o if_o ever_o any_o such_o council_n be_v for_o they_o let_v they_o tell_v we_o why_o they_o write_v &_o speak_v so_o much_o against_o all_o counsel_n compel_v we_o to_o defend_v their_o authority_n and_o yet_o let_v they_o say_v whether_o all_o other_o catholic_a bishop_n and_o all_o the_o church_n be_v not_o at_o those_o several_a time_n of_o the_o counsel_n religion_n and_o all_o those_o counsel_n of_o one_o religion_n and_o therefore_o the_o church_n never_o of_o the_o protestant_n religion_n the_o 28._o demand_n sea_n apostolic_a whether_o they_o confess_v not_o that_o we_o at_o this_o time_n do_v believe_v and_o communicate_v with_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n whether_o catholic_n do_v not_o always_o so_o do_v whether_o ever_o any_o refuse_v obstinate_o so_o to_o do_v 4._o opt._n l._n 2._o frl_n 15._o vict._n de_fw-fr persec_fw-la vand._n l._n 2_o fol._n 20._o august_n cou_fw-gr ep_v fund_z c._n 4._o but_o only_a schismatic_n and_o heretic_n whether_o the_o holy_a father_n by_o their_o so_o do_v do_v not_o use_v to_o confound_v all_o heretic_n &_o to_o show_v thereby_o that_o they_o do_v believe_v and_o communicate_v with_o s._n peter_n &_o s._n paul_n away_o as_o most_o easy_a so_o continual_o most_o sure_a and_o certain_a to_o avoid_v all_o error_n the_o 29._o demand_n tradition_n whe_n there_o they_o will_v be_v try_v by_o tradition_n most_o certain_a that_o have_v be_v always_o in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n yea_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o plain_a overthrow_v of_o all_o their_o buildinge_n only_o to_o hear_v that_o there_o have_v be_v always_o such_o tradition_n in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n or_o let_v they_o say_v whether_o theyfind_v not_o in_o most_o approve_a antiquity_n such_o tradition_n 6._o chrysos_fw-la hom_n 69._o ad_fw-la popul_fw-la antioc_fw-la cyp._n ep_v 63._o aug._n ep_v 118._o c._n 6._o or_o whether_o they_o find_v any_o such_o tradition_n make_v for_o they_o and_o not_o for_o we_o or_o whether_o ever_o any_o deny_v obstinate_o all_o tradition_n cry_v in_o every_o thing_n for_o only_a scripture_n but_o only_a heretic_n the_o 30._o demand_v their_o own_o doctor_n weather_n they_o will_v be_v try_v by_o their_o own_o doctor_n and_o fellow_n as_o by_o luther_n caluine_n 1545_o lib._n in_o zuing._n a_o 1545_o and_o such_o like_a and_o whether_o they_o know_v not_o that_o luther_n have_v write_v many_o book_n full_a bitter_o against_o they_o and_o condemn_v they_o to_o hell_n because_o they_o be_v sacramentary_n deny_v the_o real_a presence_n of_o christ_n body_n in_o the_o b._n sacrament_n and_o that_o caluine_a likewise_o call_v it_o a_o blasphemy_n to_o geve_v to_o the_o king_n 7._o in_o amos_n 7._o and_o much_o more_o to_o a_o queen_n the_o headship_n or_o primacy_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o therefore_o ask_v they_o with_o what_o conscience_n yea_o &_o with_o what_o face_n they_o can_v say_v they_o to_o be_v the_o true_a church_n which_o compel_v man_n so_o to_o blaspheme_v and_o that_o with_o book_n oath_n their_o fellow_n puritan_n at_o home_n also_o abhor_v it_o that_o i_o speak_v not_o of_o many_o other_o point_n also_o of_o their_o doctrine_n condemn_v also_o by_o their_o own_o fellow_n as_o they_o know_v themselves_o &_o whosoever_o else_o that_o read_v their_o book_n the_o 31._o demand_n universality_n whether_o they_o know_v not_o 16._o vin_fw-fr lyr_n con_fw-mi omnes_fw-la haâ_n c._n 3.4.31.41_o opt._n l._n 2_o f_o 13._o bed_n hist_o 4.5_o c._n 16._o that_o the_o ancient_a father_n have_v teach_v we_o in_o such_o a_o doubtful_a time_n of_o heresy_n as_o this_o be_v to_o try_v out_o the_o truth_n by_o universality_n &_o that_o they_o mean_v thereby_o if_o at_o any_o time_n we_o see_v a_o piece_n of_o christendom_n divide_v itself_o from_o the_o whole_a that_o we_o follow_v then_o the_o whole_a the_o universality_n i_o say_v of_o the_o church_n in_o our_o own_o time_n and_o not_o the_o piece_n ask_v the_o protestant_n now_o if_o this_o have_v be_v do_v in_o luther_n time_n who_o shall_v christian_n man_n have_v follow_v luther_n or_o the_o pope_n and_o if_o the_o pope_n then_o now_o also_o the_o pope_n pardie_o gregory_n the_o thirteen_o that_o now_o be_v agre_v in_o all_o as_o they_o know_v with_o leo_n the_o ten_o that_o be_v they_o ask_v they_o final_o whether_o they_o sing_v not_o therefore_o against_o themselves_o in_o te_fw-la deum_fw-la when_o they_o say_v te_fw-la per_fw-la orbem_fw-la terrarum_fw-la sancta_fw-la confitetur_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la which_o be_v to_o say_v that_o the_o faith_n or_o confession_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n that_o be_v the_o true_a confession_n the_o 32._o demand_n antiquity_n whether_o they_o know_v not_o that_o the_o same_o father_n have_v teach_v we_o 3.4.6.7.8.9.38.41_o vine_n lyr_n c._n 3.4.6.7.8.9.38.41_o for_o try_v out_o of_o truth_n to_o look_v likewise_o unto_o antiquity_n and_o that_o as_o by_o universality_n they_o mean_v our_o own_o time_n so_o by_o antiquity_n they_o mean_v the_o time_n that_o be_v before_o our_o own_o time_n teach_v we_o therefore_o by_o this_o if_o in_o our_o own_o time_n any_o novelty_n do_v reign_v and_o that_o perhaps_o universal_o that_o then_o we_o have_v respect_n to_o the_o former_a time_n before_o such_o novelty_n do_v arise_v ask_v the_o protestant_n then_o whether_o they_o be_v content_a so_o to_o do_v and_o whether_o three_o score_n year_n ago_o before_o luther_n arise_v christendom_n be_v of_o their_o religion_n yea_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o of_o our_o religion_n both_o then_o and_o many_o hundred_o year_n afore_o and_o that_o by_o their_o own_o confession_n the_o 33._o demand_n consent_v whether_o the_o same_o father_n have_v not_o teach_v we_o to_o try_v out_o truth_n by_o consent_n also_o and_o 25_o vin._n lyr._n c._n 3.4.8.10.11.38.41_o bed_n hist._n l._n 3._o c._n 25_o whether_o they_o mean_v not_o thereby_o that_o suppose_v both_o the_o universality_n of_o our_o own_o time_n be_v corrupt_a &_o also_o the_o antiquity_n of_o former_a time_n be_v at_o variance_n we_o shall_v they_o have_v a_o eye_n to_o consent_v in_o antiquity_n as_o if_o there_o have_v be_v of_o old_a some_o one_o father_n or_o some_o one_o provincial_a council_n for_o the_o protestant_n as_o yet_o there_o be_v not_o to_o see_v they_o whether_o there_o be_v not_o some_o general_n council_n against_o they_o ask_v they_o now_o whether_o that_o before_o luther_n be_v bear_v there_o be_v not_o many_o general_n counsel_n yea_o all_o general_n counsel_n against_o they_o and_o yet_o neither_o any_o provincial_a council_n nor_o so_o much_o as_o any_o one_o