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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A63163	The Trial and determination of truth, in answer to The best choice for religion and government		1697 (1697)	Wing T2166; ESTC R10526	46,640	49

Crown of Martyrdom That such a one has no Part in the Law of God or the Faith of Christ or in Life or Salvation That without this Unity and Charity a Man cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven tho' he shou'd deliver up himself to the Flames or cast his Body to Wild Beasts yet this wou'd not be the Crown of his Faith but the Punishment of his Falshood not the glorious Exit of a Religious Courage but the Issue of Despair He may be kill'd but not crown'd He rents the Unity of the Church destroys the Faith disturbs the Peace dissolves Charity and profanes the Holy Sacrament These and many other severe things are to be found in St. Cyprian And now if the Glory of God the Peace of the Church and the Good of Souls are as necessary as indispensible in these Days as they were of old How dangerous how desperate is the Condition of those Men who endeavour to deprive us of them If Father Mouth Father Elymas Father Pen and the rest of our Dissenting Fathers can prevail with the unthinking People to fall in love with their Vices can be such degenerate Christians if we may call them Christians as to make no scruple of Schism and Separation which are so fearful and damnable then the Determination will be so natural the Case so plain that the Jury will scarce need to go from the Bar to consider any further of it Diss Adv. I have no more to offer We 'll leave it to the Court. Ch. Advoc. With all my heart only beg pardon that our Pleadings have been a little too tedious Judge You Gentlemen of the Jury I take you to be wise and honest Men who will not contend so much for Conquest as Truth You have heard this Cause debated by Learned Council on both Sides go and consider duly which of them is Best for Doctrine Worship Discipline and Life How dangerous a thing it is to make Publick Ruptures in Church or State Whether Church or Conventicle stands upon the best and surest Foundation Whether any Man 's private Opinion or Fancy Humour or Interest ought to be advanc'd above the Judgment of the Ancient Fathers the Practice of the Church for many hundred Years or above the Quiet and Peace of a Nation Remember that TRUTH is now upon Trial and that it will be to your lasting Reputation if without partiality you do what 's Right and Just in defence of Truth To that purpose I give you more than ordinary Time while I dispatch some other Affairs of less moment you may agree upon your Verdict Exit Jury Judge Call in the Quakers You stand here Indicted for Coining and Altering the King's current English Language pretending a greater Findness and Propriety of Expression than other Men undertaking to teach the most Learned Doctors and Professors in both Universities and to contradict the whole Nation You are Lords High Commissioners for Youing and Thouing but are under a Foreign and therefore unlawful Authority You had your Commission and Example from Ignatius Loyola the first Broacher of this whimsical Nicety and may justly be suspected and question'd for it What say you Friends 1 Quak. I say YOU to Many THOU to One Singular One Thou Plural Many You. The Reasons are 1. These Words are so used in the Bible and all other Literal Translations 2. From their Agreement with the Second Persons Singular and Plural in other Languages LATIN GREEK and HEBREW As 1. Thou is singular because in   Latine Tu is singular 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Greek Su 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Hebrew Attah 2. You is only plural because in   Latine Vos is plural 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Greek Humeis 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Hebrew Attem Judge He that has any Judgment in the English Tongue or is Master of any Sense will confess That THOU is not of the singular Number because Tu Su or Attah are so but because English-men use THOU in the singular Number Neither is YOU of the plural because Vos Humeis or Attem are of the plural but because English-men use YOU sometimes in the plural Number 'T is the Usage of a Nation that is the Reason of their Language and all English-men except Quakers use YOU to One as well as to Many The Variety of English in this being above most other Languages And though we use THOU singular for the more strict Translation of the Scripture yet the Original is as capable to be translated into You as Thou The Translations of the Bible may be varied according to the commonest Use of a Language but the perpetual Use of a Language does not depend upon one or more Translations 'T is plain that You and Thou as all other words have their diverse Acceptations We find in Scripture and all other English Authors YOU to One as well as YOU to Many Gen. 18. 3 My Lord 4. Let a little water I pray YOU be fetched Job 18. 2. Bildad said to Job How long will it be ' ere YOU make an end Jer. 2. 28 O Judah 29. Wherefore will YOU plead with me Jer. 3. 20. YOU O house of Israel You to one Lord You to one Job You to one Judah and You to one Israel We find also that THOU is not only us'd to a singular One but to a plural One or a singular Many as Jer. 4. 1. THOU O Israel 29. THOU O City Isa 26. 20. Come my people enter THOU In which places Israel is a plural One or singular Many a City is a plural One or singular Many People is a plural One or singular Many and yet Thou O Israel Thou O City Thou O People 2 Quak. But in strictness if it be proper for the Scripture to translate Thou to One why may not I say Thou to a King to a Judge a Minister a Father now as well as to say Thou to GOD Judge 'T is not so proper to say Thou to a King as to God because the King cannot judge of our Hearts as God can If we say Thou O GOD He understands whether we speak with that Reverence and Honour to Him which belongs to our Duty But the King cannot tell our Honour to him but by such Words and Actions as declare it And for other Superiours though Thou in Scripture be commonly us'd to them according to other Languages which have not so good distinction of Words for the second Person as English has yet YOU in our Days being a Term of Respect and Civility of Honour and Reverence and THOU except in Scripture and other Literal Translations being a Word for the most part of Contempt Insolence Imperiousness and Indignity We ought to prefer You before Thou though it be to One And if other Languages have not so good a Propriety to set forth their Humility towards and to shew their Estimation of one another we should not contemn or dispute against our own Language because others are not so good but to use

those that are acquainted with St. Hierome's Writings well know that this Passage was intended to beat down the Usurpation of the Deacons at Rome who then began to out-top the Presbyters on this Account he was tempted to magnifie and extoll the Place and Dignity of Presbyters in the Church And though he said that Bishops and Presbyters are all one He yet in other places excepts the Office of Ordination and Government And does at other times plainly and frequently assert the Authority of Bishops over Presbyters and did himself constantly live in Communion with and Subjection to Bishops John Calvin could not advance himself at Geneva without the Bishop's Fall and yet had all things belonging to a Bishop but the Name As Old Noll had in the Monarchy but the bare Title of King The Geneva or Presbyterian Discipline was begotten in Rebellion born in Sedition and nurs'd up by Faction Aerius was one of the worst Friends you cou'd have produc'd he was vex'd to see himself slighted and not preferr'd to a Bishoprick as his Companion Eustathius was And this made the haughty Man start aside and talk extravagantly against Bishops ●●at the Church branded and excommunicated him for an Heretick and Epiphanius represents him little better than a Mad-man distemper'd by Pride Emulation Envy Covetousness Ambition These were the Causes of his opposing Episcopal Government If you consult Blondell Salmatius and Daillé whose great Parts Learning and indefatigable Industry cou'd if any thing have made out the contrary you 'll see they have been forc'd to grant That Episcopacy obtain'd in the Church within a few Years after the Apostolick But our Church can safely carry it higher even to the Apostles themselves so much you urg'd me to speak concerning the Antiquity and Dignity of Bishops in the Church Dissent We all acknowledge we have had Freedom enough to speak for our selves we have but one thing more to plead and then we shall submit to your Lordship's Determination Our Separation from the Church must be allow'd because there are in it many wicked People scandalous ill Livers who for want of due Exercise of Discipline or by the Inadvertence or Connivence of its Governours do remain in it and so give us just occasion of Offence and Separation There are two Texts of Scripture for us in this Case 2 Cor. 6. 17. Wherefore come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord and touch not the unclean thing so Rev. 18. 4. Come out of her my people that ye be not partakers of her sins and that ye receive not of her plagues Judge This I take to be none of the least Absurdities the Dissenters are guilty of Are there no such Mixtures no Offenders no ill Livers amongst you Are they all holy harmless and pure that come to your Congregations If not you have the same Reasons to separate to come out from among them as to withdraw from the Church for fear of Pollution and by the same Argument you must never join in any Communion while the World endures The want of Discipline we may thank you for You You Dissenters are the Cause that so many Immoralities are now tolerated That Excommunication and other necessary Censures of the Church which formerly kept People in good Order and preserv'd the Honor and Reputation of Religion are by your Encouragement of Disobedience both omitted and mock'd at And were you truly Men of tender Consciences this one Consideration would make your Hearts ake Look into the State of the Church under the Jewish Administration and you 'll find that the Sins of neither Priest nor People owning the True God became at any time the occasion of Separation to them What Sins could be greater than those of Eli's Sons And yet did not the People of God Elkanah and Hannah by Name refrain to join with them in the Publick Worship 1 Sam. 2. 17 24. In Ahab's time when all Israel halted betwixt God and Belial yet then did the Prophet Elijah summon all Israel to appear on Mount Carmel and held a Religious Communion with them in Preaching and Praying and Offering a Miraculous Sacrifice 1 King 18. All along when both Prince Priests and People were very much deprav'd and debauch'd in their Manners we don't find that the Prophets at any time exhorted the Faithful and Sincere to separate from the rest or that they themselves set up any separate Meetings but continu'd in Communion with the Church preaching to them and advising them to Repentance Look into the New Testament you 'll see in the Apostolick Churches of Corinth Galatia and the seven Churches of Asia many of the Members were grown very Bad and Scandalous yet we don't read the Example of any Good Man separating from the Church or any one Precept rightly understood from the Apostles so to do They don't tell them that the whole Body was polluted by those filthy Members and that if they would be safe themselves they must withdraw from their Communion but exhort 'em to use all Means to reclaim them And if neither private nor publick Admonitions and Reproofs wou'd do then to suspend them from the Communion of the Church till by Repentance and Amendment they render'd themselves capable of being restor'd to Peace and Pardon Our Blessed Saviour knew the Jewish Church to be a corrupt Church Priests and People lewd and vicious yet kept in Communion with it and commanded his Disciples so to do We read that the Scribes and Pharisees who rul'd the Ecclesiastical Chair at that time had perverted the Law corrupted the Worship of God were blind Guides devoured Widows houses were Hypocrites and such as only had a Form of Godliness yet did not our Saviour separate from their Communion but was made under the Law freely submitted himself to all the Rites and Ceremonies of it He was circumcis'd on the Eighth Day redeem'd by a certain Price being a Son and a First-born observ'd the Passover and other Feasts enjoin'd by their Law Yea and that of the Dedication too which was but of Human Institution was baptiz'd amongst them preach'd in their Temples and Synagogues reason'd with 'em about Religion exhorted his Disciples to hear their Doctrine though not to follow their Practices Now what greater Cause on the Account of Corruption and Manners could be given to separate from a Church than was there Yet how carefull was our Saviour both by his Example and Precept to forbid and discountenance it Consider the Representations of a Church given in Scripture and elsewhere to shew that it is a Mixture of Good and Bad 'T is call'd a Field in which Wheat and Tares grew up together a Net wherein are Fishes of all sorts a Barn wherein there is Corn and Chaff a Vine that has fruitful and barren Branches an House in which are Vessels of Gold and Silver and of lesser Value a Marriage-Feast at which were wise and foolish Virgins c. St. Hierome compares the Church to Noah's