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A03350 A quartron of reasons of Catholike religion, with as many briefe reasons of refusall: By Tho. Hill Hill, Edmund Thomas, ca. 1563-1644. 1600 (1600) STC 13470; ESTC S113265 68,569 200

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but the Protestantes force the Bible to followe them THE IX REASON Councells THe Church of God hath euer bin accustomed when any heresie did spring vp therein to gather a Councell of Bishoppes Prelates and of other Learned Men in which the trueth was approued and the heresie condemned And whosoeuer were condemned by such Councells confirmed by the See Apostolike were euer deemed and in very deede were heretiks for such at length were taken of all men in the end vanished away So were the Arrians condemned in the Nyceene Counsel the Macedonians in the Councel of Constantinople the Nestorians in the Ephesyne the Eutychians in the Chalcedonian others in other Councels Al which heretiks although they flourished for a time and drewe manye people yea Emperours Kings States Countries after them yet in time they came to nothing the councels which condemned thē were vniuersally embraced And no doubt the late famouse councel of Trent which by the same autority order hath cōdemned the Protestants other sectaries for heretiks will in time be euery where receiued and these newe fellowes by it anathematized will vtterlye vanishe away For indeed if a man consider the matter throughly he shal plainly perceiue that these sects haue no likelihoode of continuance by reason they haue no meanes to gather a Councel much lesse to decide matters therein if it were gathered being without an head as they are euery one cleauing only to his own priuate opinion therfore can neuer all meete together or if by anye power they were compelled therunto they haue no means to agre in one for that they wil not yeeld to any iudgement but what is framed of their own braine therefore it must needs be amongst them as we see it to be Quot homines tot sententiae So many men so many opinions Lastly I would haue you here to marke the dealing of heretiks who play by generall Councels euē as they play by the scriptures for they take leaue as they luste as best serueth their turne There haue bin in all general Councels 18. Al gathered allowed confirmed by one the selfesame autority of which the Greeks receiue only 7. the Lutherans Concil Florent sess 5. 6. Magdebur cent 8. cap 9. cent 9. cap. 9. the first 6. the Eutychians which are in Asia onely the first 3. the Nestorians which are yet in the East onely the first 2. the Trinitaries which are in Hungary and Poleland receiue none at all Beholde the libertie of your Gospell THE X. REASON Fathers THE Catholike Romane Religion is most plainely taught by all the auncient Fathers of the first second third fourth fift and sixt hundred yeares after Christ and hath bin euer without al controuersie taught of the Fathers of euerie age since vntill this day That religion did Dyonysius Areopagita Saint Paule his Scholler so manifestly teach Causaeus dialogue 5 11. as Causaeus a french Protestant called him for his labour a doating old man much like as his Father Luther had said before him that Areopagita his vvorkes vvere like to dreames In Capt. Babilonica and most pernicious The same faith was taught of saint Ignatius Clemens Iustinus Tertullian Cyprian Irenaeus and in one word all the auncient Fathers not one excepted This is very plaine in that the Catholikes are put compelled by the Protestants to defend maintaine and vpholde the credit and authoritie of the saide Fathers for the Protestants rayle at thē the Catholiks defend them the Protestants refuse theyr authoritie the Catholikes hold it for good the Protestants will not be tried by them the Catholikes appeale to theyr iudgement and to be briefe the Protestāts make no more account of them longer then they can wrest them to serue their turne then thy doe of Beuis of Southampton or of Adam Bell. And in naming the Protestants I include all the Puritanes for I am not ignorant how the saide Protestants are driuen by the said Puritanes to defende the Fathers and also are called papists for theyr labour And hereby it is manifest that the Fathers are with the Catholikes and neyther with the Protestants nor Puritanes And whether all those auncients being men of excellent wittes of continuall studie of wonderfull learning feruent in prayer holie in conuersation greatlie in Gods fauour mightie in vvorking of miracles adorned with many such like giftes were more like to vnderstand the Scriptures freshly deliuered vnto them from the Apostles themselues who also no doubt taught their schollers the true sense thereof and they theirs from one age to another or these late foolish vnstudied vnlearned prophane and arrogant fellowes be iudges your selues But indeed it is no maruaile though the protestants doe contemne yea reuile the Fathers Luther in Capt. Bab. Causaeus vbi supra Centuriat centur 2. cap. 10. Caluin instit cap. 13 num 29. Centur. 2. cap. 5. Causaeus dialog 8. 11. 6 beza in act Apost ca. 23. in saying they taught thinges most like to dreames they were doating oldmen they had foule blemishes and tolde trifling tales they had weedes and dregges blasphemyes and monsters they were childish dull and destitute of God babled they knew not what they were bewitched of the Diuell as damned as the Diuell blasphemers naughty wicked for they who cannot endure certaine set times to fast in no meruaile though they reuile S. Basil S. Gregory Nazianzene S. Leo S. Chrisostome which wrote such notable Sermons of Lent and of other fasting dayes then vsed as they are now in the Catholike Church And they who be giuen to Lust to Gluttonie to Ambition to Couetousnes and doe teach such doctrine as necessarilie bringeth foorth such fruites must needes contemne S. Basil S. Chrisostome S. Hierome and S. Augustine who haue written so excellently of the Order Rule Vertues of Monkes And generally whereas the Doctrine of the auncient Fathers is cleane contrarie to the Doctrine of Protestants no meruaile though they be reiected by thē as they euer haue bin of Heretikes And although Iwell in his Sermon at Paules Crosse most impudently challenged the Catholiks to bring any thing for certaine points of theyr Religion out of the Doctours of the first sixe hundred yeares yet Laurence Humfrey his pue fellowe Humfridus in vita Iwelli confessed that hee gaue and graunted to the papists more than was meete and vvas to himselfe iniurious c. and so hee confessed against his companion that the FATHERS of the Primitiue Church were on the Papists side and consequently not on theirs And yet because they haue founde by experience that to teach Doctrine contrary to the auncient Fathers soundeth but badlie in the peoples eares in theyr Sermons they gladlie now then alleadge the authoritie of some Doctor or Father vvhen they can by anie meanes wring or wrest any peece of a sentence so as it may seeme to make for them And indeede hee vvho
which were done in England in the cōuersiō therof writtē by the same Greg. li. 9. ep 58. And by venerable Bede l. 1. hist Ca. 31. In the eight the miracles of S. Cutbert S. Iohn in England also Bede lib. 4. hist 5. In the ninth the miracles of Tharasius writtē by Ignat. Nicen. of others In the tenth the miracles of S. Romuald recorded by S. Pet. Damian of S. Wenceslaus of others which Surius writeth In the eleuēth the miracles of S. Edward k. vir of S. Ans of others In the twelfth the miracles of S. Mal. S Barn of others In the thirteenth the miracles of S. Fran. S. Dom. S. Bonauent S. S. Celest of others In the fourteenth the miracles of S. Bernardine S. Kather. of Sieuna of others In the fifteenth the miracles of S. Vinc. S. Ant. of others And last of al in this our sixteenth age are the miracles of the glorious S. Fran. de Paula of the holy Iesuit Zauer Aug. de vtil cred cap. 17. lib. cont ep fund cap. 4. in the Indies of many moe And therfore I say vnto you out of S. Ang. I am bound tied in the Catholike Church by the band or chaine of myracles And I am bolde considering and moste steedefastlye beleuing these infinite glorious myracles of all times and ages in the Catholike Romane Church to crye out to Almighty God with Richard de S. Victore lib. 1. de trin cap. 2. Lord if it be not true which we beleeue thou hast deceaued vs for these haue beene confirmed in vs by such signes and woonders as could not bee wrought but by thee But on the contrary part neuer any Protestant coulde worke any myracle at all but assaying to make some shewe thereof to make their Doctrine the more probable to their followers felt the iust reuengement of God who turned all to their shame and confusion as hee did by Simon Magus Egesippus lib. 3. de excid hierosol ca. 2. by Cyrola the patriarke of the Arrians as witnesseth Grego Turones lib. 2. hist Franc. cap. 3. by the Donatists Optatus lib. 2. contr Parmen And in our daies by Luther endeuoring to dispossesse a wenche and by Caluin going about to delude his disciples as you may reade in Hierom Bolsec in vit Caluin cap. 13. Vid. Staph in abs resp And therefore they are most foolishe and miserably inconsiderate who beleeue these newe fellowes not beeing able to quicken a flea leaue the doctrine of the Catholike Church cōfirmed with innumerable miracles THE VII REASON Visions and the gifte of Prophecie AS TRVE Miracles neuer were wrought but by them who were of the true Church so heauenly Visions and the gifte of Prophecie were neuer founde to bee but in the same And therefore the holye Apostle amongest other thinges which he vseth to commend his Doctrine himselfe to the Corinthians against Heretickes 2. Cor. 12. and false Apostles he bringeth in this as one saying Now will I come to Visions and Reuelations of our Lord c. 2. Pet. 1. And S. Peter alleageth for confirmation of his preaching the trāsfiguratiō of our lord in the mount which he sawe Mat. 17. Act. 10. 11. calleth it a Vision he had a Vision of a sheet with al kind of beasts in it whē he was to deale with the Gentiles And for the trueth of Religion and confirmation of that which they did Act. 2. he alleageth the prophecie of Ioell Ioel. cap. 2 who sayeth amongst other thinges Your young men shall see Visions and to bee briefe of this sort is the whole boke of the Apocalyps So that to see these kind of heauenly Visions and thereby to foretel things most certainly is only amongst them who are of the true Church For although there haue beene prophecies amongest the Heathens yet were they not vndoubtedly true as the Oracles of Apollo such like illusions except they were for the confirmatiō of right Religion as the prophecies of the Sybills Euseb lib. 5. hist cap. 16. 18. and of Balaam And the same may be saide of heretikes as of Montanus of Luther of Muncer and of such like who loke vpon them to prophecie some to their vtter shame some to their own destruction But the Catho Romane Church hath had in it in all ages those which had true Visions Cochlaeus in actis Lutheri and the gifte of true prophecie as Agabus Act. 11. Gregory Thaumaturge so Basil li. de spiritu sancto Cap. 29. S. Anthony the Abbote Iohn of whom see S. Aug. lib. 5. de ciuit Cap. 26. S. Monica see Aug. lib. 3. Confes Cap. 11. S. Benedicte see Gregor lib. 2. dial Cap. 15. S. Bernard see in eius vita lib. 4. Cap. 3. S. Frauncis see in eius vita Bonauentura with many others for seldome was ther any who had the gifte of miracles but the same had this gifte also And in these daies I knowe diuerse and sundry Papists as you cal them who haue seen vndoubtedly wonderful Visions which perhaps you maye see recorded hereafter with sufficient and irrefragable testimony THE VIII REASON Scriptures NEither may here the Protestant reply and say that the Papistes builde vpon Miracles Visions Prophecies and vpon such like but not vpon the WORDE for al that they alleadge are most agreeable to the worde of God Neither doe they teach any Doctrine but such as is deriued out of the holy Bible for the maintaining thereof they are not compelled to denye certaine partes of Gods holy Booke as the Protestantes and their predecessours heretiks haue bin inforced to do The Manichees for that their heresies were so manifestly confuted by the Gospel of Saint Mathewe Aug. l 28. con Faust cap. 2. de vtil cred cap 3. and by the Actes of the Apostles as they coulde coine no aunswere nor other shifte they denyed them to bee Scripture The Ebinites because the Epistles of Saint Paul disproued most plainelye Cyrcumcision which they maintained denied them to be Scripture Luther reiected the Epistle of S. Iames because it was so plaine against the doctrine of onely Faith His ofspring refused the bookes of Tobias of Ecclesiasticus of the Machabees and of some others because in them is plainly taught the Doctrine of the custody of Aungells of Free-will of Praier for the Faithfull Soules departed and of Prayer to Saints al wh●ch they deny and therefore must they needes denie those parts of the holy Bible For heretikes euer framed the Bible to their opinions chainging wresting paring sometimes flatly reiecting al which made ouerplainely against such Doctrine as they deuised and so doe most impudentlye the Protestantes nowe Whereas the Catholikes euer squared their Doctrine by the line and the leuell of the Worde of her Spouse and therefore neuer had cause to reiecte the least ●otte of the holy Bible and at one worde the Catholikes followe the Bible