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A05535 A true narration of all the passages of the proceedings in the generall Assembly of the Church of Scotland, holden at Perth the 25. of August, anno Dom. 1618 VVherein is set downe the copy of his Maiesties letters to the said Assembly: together with a iust defence of the Articles therein concluded, against a seditious pamphlet. By Dr. Lyndesay, Bishop of Brechen. Lindsay, David, d. 1641?; Calderwood, David, 1575-1650. Perth assembly. 1621 (1621) STC 15657; ESTC S108553 266,002 446

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and_o obedience_n of_o the_o worthy_a receiver_n must_v be_v ground_v touch_v the_o gesture_n they_o must_v use_v at_o communion_n yet_o the_o libeler_n perceive_v that_o the_o proposition_n of_o this_o argument_n may_v be_v deny_v and_o be_v deny_v that_o it_o must_v be_v prove_v by_o this_o general_a whatsoever_o christ_n retain_v that_o he_o do_v institute_v and_o consider_v withal_o that_o christ_n retain_v many_o thing_n as_o the_o place_n the_o quality_n of_o the_o bread_n and_o circumstance_n of_o time_n which_o he_o dare_v not_o affirm_v to_o have_v be_v institute_v he_o make_v exception_n of_o such_o thing_n as_o be_v retain_v of_o necessity_n and_o can_v not_o convenient_o be_v change_v and_o thereupon_o subjoin_v this_o say_n pp_n pag._n 36._o lin_v ult._n but_o as_o for_o the_o gesture_n of_o sit_v he_o may_v have_v change_v it_o in_o stand_v or_o kneel_v without_o work_v