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of_o they_o ought_v to_o tend_v yet_o from_o hence_o it_o can_v not_o be_v right_o conclude_v that_o the_o temporal_a power_n be_v subordain_v to_o the_o spiritual_a or_o that_o temporal_a thing_n as_o temporal_a law_n temporal_a action_n temporal_a punishment_n and_o the_o like_a be_v subordain_v to_o spiritual_a thing_n as_o to_o spiritual_a law_n spiritual_a action_n spiritual_a punishment_n and_o the_o like_a but_o that_o both_o of_o they_o be_v i_o do_v not_o say_v subordain_v one_o to_o the_o other_o but_o ordain_v to_o one_o and_o the_o self_n same_o end_n which_o be_v the_o glory_n and_o service_n of_o god_n and_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n which_o be_v as_o it_o be_v the_o centre_n to_o which_o the_o temporal_a power_n by_o temporal_a law_n and_o by_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n and_o the_o spiritual_a power_n by_o spiritual_a law_n and_o by_o dispose_v or_o dispence_v of_o spiriruall_a thing_n ought_v to_o tend_v by_o which_o it_o be_v apparent_a that_o although_o it_o be_v suppose_v that_o the_o dispose_n of_o temporal_a thing_n and_o the_o use_n of_o temporal_a power_n be_v in_o some_o case_n necessary_a to_o the_o honour_n and_o service_n of_o god_n to_o the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n yet_o it_o can_v not_o be_v perform_v but_o by_o the_o temporal_a power_n for_o that_o our_o saviour_n christ_n have_v give_v to_o spiritual_a pastor_n only_o spiritual_a power_n to_o promote_v and_o maintain_v by_o spiritual_a mean_n the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o bring_v soul_n to_o heaven_n and_o temporal_a mean_n and_o temporal_a power_n he_o have_v leave_v to_o the_o disposition_n of_o temporal_a prince_n who_o he_o forsaw_v and_o preordain_v to_o be_v nurse_n patron_n and_o protector_n of_o his_o church_n 12_o wherefore_o although_o my_o adversary_n do_v endeavour_v as_o you_o have_v see_v in_o the_o former_a
judge_n within_o the_o gate_n do_v not_o agree_v the_o jew_n ought_v to_o have_v recourse_n do_v consist_v only_o of_o priest_n and_o not_o of_o temporal_a but_o of_o spiritual_a judge_n and_o that_o the_o judge_n mention_v in_o this_o place_n they_o ought_v obey_v be_v either_o the_o high_a priest_n himself_o or_o rather_o some_o other_o inferior_a priest_n subordinate_a to_o he_o nevertheless_o he_o can_v prove_v from_o hence_o as_o he_o pretend_v that_o the_o high_a tribunal_n for_o judgement_n not_o only_o for_o spiritual_a but_o also_o for_o political_a and_o temporal_a cause_n be_v in_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o high_a priest_n for_o all_o that_o be_v ordain_v for_o the_o priest_n and_o judge_n to_o do_v in_o this_o place_n of_o deuteronomie_n be_v only_o to_o decide_v determine_v and_o declare_v the_o doubt_n and_o difficulty_n of_o the_o law_n to_o who_o commandment_n and_o decree_n every_o man_n be_v bind_v by_o the_o express_a law_n of_o god_n under_o pain_n of_o death_n to_o stand_v but_o to_o decide_v and_o declare_v what_o be_v the_o law_n of_o god_n &_o to_o instruct_v the_o people_n therein_o and_o to_o command_v the_o people_n to_o obey_v their_o declaration_n instruction_n &_o commandment_n be_v not_o a_o temporal_a but_o a_o pure_a spiritual_a cause_n as_o well_o observe_v abulensis_n in_o cap._n 11._o num._n q._n 23._o &_o 24._o &_o in_o cap._n 18._o exodi_fw-la q._n 5.8_o &_o 11._o 16_o and_o what_o catholic_a man_n will_v deny_v that_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n have_v also_o authority_n to_o declare_v and_o determine_v what_o be_v the_o law_n of_o god_n when_o any_o doubt_n or_o difficulty_n shall_v arise_v and_o to_o command_v all_o christian_n even_o temporal_a prince_n who_o be_v subject_a to_o they_o in_o spiritual_n to_o obey_v their_o decree_n and_o determination_n and_o yet_o from_o hence_o it_o can_v not_o be_v right_o infer_v in_o that_o manner_n as_o my_o adversary_n from_o those_o word_n of_o deuteronomie_n will_v conclude_v that_o the_o high_a tribunal_n for_o judgement_n in_o the_o new_a law_n not_o only_o for_o spiritual_a but_o also_o for_o political_a and_o temporal_a cause_n be_v in_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o chief_a spiritual_a pastor_n for_o that_o to_o decide_v and_o determine_v what_o be_v the_o law_n of_o christ_n and_o to_o command_v christian_a prince_n to_o obey_v their_o decision_n and_o determination_n be_v not_o a_o temporal_a but_o a_o mere_a spiritual_a cause_n 17_o but_o if_o my_o adversary_n have_v prove_v as_o he_o have_v not_o that_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o old_a law_n have_v authority_n not_o only_o to_o interpret_v the_o law_n and_o to_o command_v the_o people_n to_o follow_v their_o interpretation_n but_o also_o to_o pronounce_v the_o sentence_n of_o death_n and_o to_o execute_v the_o same_o against_o those_o who_o shall_v not_o obey_v their_o declaration_n and_o decree_n than_o he_o have_v say_v something_o to_o the_o purpose_n for_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n and_o to_o pronounce_v the_o sentence_n of_o death_n and_o to_o execute_v or_o inflict_v the_o same_o for_o what_o crime_n soever_o it_o be_v either_o temporal_a or_o spiritual_a be_v a_o temporal_a &_o not_o a_o spiritual_a action_n i_o say_v to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n etc._n etc._n for_o as_o i_o have_v often_o say_v to_o impose_v or_o enjoin_v temporal_a punishment_n and_o to_o command_v temporal_a judge_n to_o do_v justice_n according_a to_o the_o law_n by_o punish_v malefactor_n with_o corporal_a death_n if_o it_o be_v so_o ordain_v by_o the_o law_n may_v if_o it_o be_v do_v for_o a_o spiritual_a end_n be_v a_o spiritualaction_n &_o belong_v to_o the_o authority_n of_o spiritual_a pastor_n neither_o can_v my_o adversary_n prove_v that_o the_o judge_n who_o be_v to_o give_v sentence_n of_o death_n against_o those_o who_o either_o do_v not_o obey_v the_o commandment_n of_o the_o priest_n and_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o judge_n or_o commit_v any_o other_o crime_n worthy_a of_o death_n by_o the_o law_n as_o blasphemy_n adultery_n sodomy_n etc._n etc._n be_v either_o a_o priest_n or_o a_o temporal_a judge_n who_o have_v his_o authority_n derive_v from_o the_o high_a priest_n as_o he_o be_v a_o priest_n i_o say_v as_o he_o be_v a_o priest_n for_o that_o sometime_o the_o chief_a temporal_a judge_n as_o i_o observe_v before_o out_o of_o the_o gloss_n be_v also_o a_o priest_n as_o in_o the_o time_n of_o holy_a moses_n and_o the_o maccabee_n and_o then_o he_o have_v authority_n to_o give_v sentence_n of_o death_n not_o as_o he_o be_v a_o priest_n but_o as_o he_o be_v a_o temporal_a prince_n or_o judge_n 18_o wherefore_o to_o little_a purpose_n be_v that_o which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n immediate_o add_v beside_o that_o say_v he_o 6._o he_o pap._n 71._o nu_fw-la 6._o afterward_o god_n command_v the_o people_n exact_o to_o obey_v the_o priest_n 24._o deut._n 24._o without_o mention_n of_o any_o other_o judge_n threaten_v to_o punish_v they_o himself_o in_o case_n they_o shall_v transgress_v the_o same_o say_v obserua_fw-la diligenter_n etc._n etc._n observe_v diligent_o that_o thou_o incur_v not_o the_o plague_n of_o leprosy_n but_o shall_v do_v whatsoever_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o levitical_a stock_n shall_v teach_v thou_o according_a to_o that_o which_o i_o command_v they_o and_o do_v thou_o fulfil_v it_o careful_o so_o say_v almighty_a god_n and_o to_o move_v they_o the_o rather_o to_o this_o exact_a obedience_n which_o he_o command_v he_o add_v present_o remember_v what_o our_o lord_n god_n do_v to_o mary_n in_o the_o way_n when_o you_o come_v out_o of_o egypt_n that_o be_v to_o say_v how_o severe_o god_n punish_v mary_n the_o prophetess_n &_o sister_n to_o moses_n for_o her_o disobedience_n to_o he_o &_o be_v strike_v with_o leprosy_n for_o the_o same_o by_o which_o example_n almighty_a god_n do_v notable_o inculcate_v unto_o the_o people_n the_o necessity_n of_o their_o obedience_n to_o the_o priest_n and_o the_o danger_n of_o his_o indignation_n and_o severe_a punishment_n which_o they_o shall_v incur_v by_o neglect_v their_o duty_n therein_o thus_o say_v i_o in_o my_o supplement_n and_o have_v prove_v afterward_o most_o 17._o most_o nu._n 12._o 13._o 14._o 15._o 16._o 17._o ample_o that_o god_n give_v also_o to_o the_o high_a priest_n not_o only_o a_o soveraignitie_n of_o authority_n but_o also_o a_o infallibility_n of_o doctrine_n &_o judgement_n in_o cause_n of_o doubt_n and_o controversy_n even_o of_o temporal_a matter_n and_o have_v also_o show_v the_o great_a privilege_n of_o the_o levite_n and_o priest_n who_o be_v separate_v whole_o etc._n etc._n 19_o but_o what_o follow_v from_o all_o this_o no_o man_n make_v any_o doubt_n but_o that_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o old_a law_n be_v to_o be_v obey_v in_o those_o thing_n wherein_o they_o have_v authority_n to_o command_v as_o likewise_o neither_o mr._n fitz._n can_v make_v any_o doubt_n but_o that_o the_o commandment_n of_o the_o temporal_a prince_n or_o judge_n be_v exact_o to_o be_v follow_v in_o those_o thing_n wherein_o they_o have_v authority_n to_o command_v true_a it_o be_v that_o the_o priest_n be_v the_o chief_a interpreter_n of_o the_o law_n of_o god_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n according_a to_o those_o word_n of_o the_o prophet_n malachi_n the_o lip_n of_o the_o priest_n shall_v keep_v knowledge_n 2._o malach._n cap._n 2._o and_o the_o law_n they_o shall_v require_v of_o his_o mouth_n because_o he_o be_v the_o angel_n or_o messenger_n of_o the_o lord_n of_o host_n and_o that_o it_o belong_v to_o the_o priest_n to_o declare_v whether_o one_o be_v infect_v with_o leprosy_n or_o no_o but_o from_o hence_o it_o can_v not_o right_o be_v conclude_v that_o it_o belong_v to_o the_o priest_n as_o they_o be_v priest_n but_o to_o the_o temporal_a judge_n of_o the_o people_n or_o to_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n that_o be_v the_o whole_a multitude_n from_o who_o the_o temporarall_a judge_n have_v common_o their_o election_n and_o authority_n to_o give_v sentence_n of_o death_n and_o to_o inflict_v any_o temporal_a punishment_n appoint_v by_o the_o law_n and_o therefore_o although_o god_n ordain_v levit._n 13._o that_o aaron_n or_o any_o one_o of_o his_o son_n shall_v declare_v and_o judge_v who_o be_v infect_v with_o leprosy_n and_o after_o his_o declaration_n and_o judgement_n that_o he_o be_v a_o leper_n he_o shall_v be_v separate_v yet_o it_o belong_v to_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n not_o as_o they_o be_v minister_n of_o the_o priest_n but_o of_o god_n who_o be_v their_o king_n and_o ordain_v that_o punishment_n to_o separate_v he_o and_o cast_v he_o out_o of_o the_o camp_n according_a to_o that_o of_o num._n 5._o and_o the_o lord_n speak_v to_o moses_n say_v command_v the_o child_n of_o israel_n that_o they_o cast_v out_o of_o the_o camp_n every_o leper_n and_o
whosoever_o have_v a_o flux_n of_o seed_n and_o be_v pollute_v upon_o the_o dead_a as_o well_o man_n as_o woman_n cast_v you_o out_o of_o the_o camp_n 20_o so_o likewise_o it_o belong_v to_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o new_a law_n to_o declare_v what_o be_v the_o law_n of_o christ_n and_o to_o judge_v what_o be_v heresy_n usury_n or_o any_o other_o crime_n forbid_v by_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n and_o to_o command_v temporal_a prince_n to_o root_v out_o heretic_n usurer_n and_o such_o like_a malefactor_n by_o the_o mean_n of_o temporal_a punishment_n for_o all_o this_o do_v not_o exceed_v the_o bound_n of_o spiritual_a authority_n but_o it_o do_v not_o belong_v to_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o new_a law_n as_o they_o be_v priest_n to_o give_v sentence_n of_o death_n or_o to_o punish_v temporal_o heretic_n usurer_n or_o any_o other_o malefactor_n by_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n but_o only_o to_o temporal_a prince_n who_o have_v in_o their_o hand_n and_o power_n the_o sword_n of_o life_n and_o death_n and_o who_o therefore_o as_o i_o observe_v fine_a observe_v disputat_fw-la theolog._n ca._n 7._o sec_fw-la 2._o nu_fw-la 17._o bannes_n 2.2_o q._n 11._o be_v 4._o q._n 1._o in_o fine_a out_o of_o banne_n may_v pardon_v sometime_o the_o punishment_n of_o death_n and_o punish_v heretic_n in_o some_o other_o manner_n 21_o and_o therefore_o to_o as_o little_a purpose_n also_o be_v that_o which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n next_o adjoin_v that_o god_n give_v also_o to_o the_o high_a priest_n a_o infallibility_n of_o doctrine_n and_o judgement_n in_o cause_n of_o doubt_n and_o controversy_n even_o of_o temporal_a matter_n for_o i_o willing_o grant_v that_o the_o high_a priest_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n have_v a_o infallibility_n of_o doctrine_n and_o judgement_n at_o least_o wise_a for_o many_o year_n together_o in_o doubt_n and_o controversy_n even_o of_o temporal_a matter_n which_o can_v not_o be_v determine_v by_o the_o law_n yea_o and_o a_o great_a infallibility_n of_o doctrine_n and_o judgement_n then_o be_v now_o in_o the_o new_a law_n in_o doubt_n and_o controversy_n of_o particular_a fact_n as_o whether_o they_o shall_v overcome_v in_o such_o a_o war_n how_o such_o a_o inheritance_n of_o particular_a man_n be_v to_o be_v divide_v etc._n etc._n either_o because_o as_o well_o observe_v abulensis_n 41._o abulensis_n q._n 3._o in_o 17._o deut._n in_o fine_a abulensis_n q._n i9_n in_o cap._n 22._o lib._n 1._o reg._n &_o in_o defensor_fw-la part_n â—_o cap._n 41._o the_o high_a priest_n do_v judge_v in_o the_o presence_n of_o some_o prophet_n to_o who_o the_o truth_n be_v reveal_v by_o god_n or_o because_o they_o do_v know_v the_o secret_n of_o thing_n by_o the_o place_n of_o the_o priest_n vestement_n which_o be_v call_v the_o rationale_fw-la wherein_o be_v contain_v doctrine_n and_o truth_n whereof_o we_o have_v treat_v say_v abulensis_n exod._n 28._o 22_o or_o three_o as_o the_o same_o abulensis_n observe_v when_o the_o high_a priest_n consult_v our_o lord_n about_o any_o thing_n by_o enter_v into_o the_o sanctuary_n in_o the_o day_n of_o expiation_n which_o happen_v but_o once_o a_o year_n for_o on_o that_o day_n the_o priest_n do_v speak_v unto_o our_o lord_n within_o the_o sanctuary_n and_o do_v hear_v he_o speak_v in_o the_o propitiatory_a as_o have_v be_v declare_v levit._n 16._o for_o therefore_o it_o be_v command_v that_o at_o what_o time_n the_o high_a priest_n do_v enter_v into_o the_o sanctuary_n no_o man_n shall_v be_v in_o the_o tabernacle_n to_o wit_n lest_o he_o shall_v hear_v those_o thing_n which_o be_v speak_v in_o the_o sanctuary_n thus_o abulensis_n none_o of_o which_o way_n to_o find_v out_o the_o truth_n infallible_o in_o any_o doubtful_a matter_n be_v ordinary_o grant_v to_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o new_a law_n nevertheless_o it_o can_v not_o from_o hence_o be_v sufficient_o conclude_v that_o the_o high_a priest_n of_o the_o old_a law_n have_v a_o sovereignty_n of_o temporal_a authority_n or_o in_o 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thing_n itself_o which_o he_o testify_v for_o that_o this_o may_v very_o well_o be_v true_a that_o fa._n parson_n do_v seek_v to_o persuade_v and_o induce_v his_o holiness_n to_o that_o course_n of_o mitigation_n which_o m._n fitzherbert_n mention_v to_o wit_n not_o to_o proceed_v with_o censure_n against_o his_o majesty_n to_o which_o course_n fa._n parson_n may_v imagine_v his_o holiness_n to_o have_v at_o that_o time_n some_o inclination_n in_o regard_n both_o of_o the_o new_a oath_n then_o establish_v by_o his_o majesty_n and_o the_o parliament_n which_o do_v so_o much_o derogate_v from_o the_o pretend_a authority_n which_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n since_o the_o time_n of_o pope_n gregory_n the_o seven_o do_v challenge_n over_o temporal_a prince_n to_o deprive_v they_o of_o their_o princely_a authority_n and_o to_o absolve_v their_o subject_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o also_o of_o the_o severe_a law_n which_o be_v then_o new_o enact_v against_o catholic_n upon_o occasion_n of_o that_o horrible_a gunpowder_n conspiracy_n plot_v only_o by_o catholic_n and_o yet_o withal_o it_o may_v also_o be_v true_a as_o only_o by_o the_o way_n i_o do_v affirm_v and_o by_o many_o probable_a conjecture_n sufficient_o confirm_v that_o fa._n parson_n do_v also_o induce_v and_o move_v his_o holiness_n to_o the_o publication_n of_o his_o breve_fw-la against_o the_o take_n of_o the_o oath_n for_o that_o betwixt_o these_o two_o there_o be_v no_o repugnance_n at_o all_o and_o whether_o he_o do_v or_o no_o it_o be_v not_o much_o material_a to_o my_o second_o answer_n or_o reason_n which_o m._n fitzherbert_n take_v upon_o he_o to_o impugn_v 54_o nevertheless_o concern_v mr._n fitzher_n testification_n upon_o his_o own_o knowledge_n i_o must_v tell_v he_o in_o plain_a word_n that_o i_o can_v give_v no_o credit_n to_o his_o testimony_n albeit_o he_o shall_v confirm_v it_o by_o solemn_a oath_n unless_o i_o can_v be_v moral_o certain_a that_o he_o use_v herein_o no_o equivocation_n or_o mental_a reservation_n whereof_o i_o can_v hardly_o be_v assure_v consider_v especial_o his_o own_o particular_a practice_n of_o equivocation_n or_o mental_a reservation_n in_o the_o time_n of_o pope_n clement_n the_o eight_o in_o slander_v and_o traduce_v so_o false_o and_o shameful_o those_o four_o reverend_a appellant_n priest_n for_o schismatic_n spy_n rebel_n and_o disobedient_a person_n to_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a &c._n &c._n notwithstanding_o they_o be_v present_v they_o at_o rome_n to_o crave_v justice_n and_o to_o make_v manifest_a their_o oppression_n and_o innocence_n and_o also_o in_o give_v testimony_n to_o his_o holiness_n upon_o his_o oath_n that_o those_o english_a book_n which_o fa._n parson_n have_v deliver_v to_o the_o inquisition_n with_o diverse_a proposition_n therein_o contain_v show_v they_o to_o be_v heretical_a erroneous_a etc._n etc._n be_v true_o translate_v wherein_o how_o foul_o he_o and_o fa._n parson_n with_o diverse_a other_o their_o adherent_n do_v equivocate_v to_o defend_v fa._n parson_n credit_n not_o only_o his_o own_o conscience_n but_o diverse_a other_o person_n yet_o live_v can_v be_v a_o sufficient_a witness_n and_o consider_v also_o the_o common_a doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o many_o of_o his_o society_n not_o only_o touch_v equivocation_n but_o also_o mental_a reservation_n which_o in_o very_a deed_n be_v flat_o lie_v ground_v upon_o that_o chimericall_a and_o not_o intelligible_a union_n mixtion_n and_o composition_n or_o rather_o mere_a fiction_n of_o thought_n and_o word_n in_o one_o true_a mix_v and_o compound_v or_o rather_o feign_a proposition_n this_o i_o say_v be_v consider_v to_o omit_v now_o diverse_a other_o scandalous_a and_o pernicious_a position_n and_o practice_n to_o this_o purpose_n which_o some_o of_o they_o especial_o of_o our_o english_a nation_n do_v maintain_v and_o whereof_o i_o will_v hereafter_o if_o they_o urge_v i_o thereunto_o more_o particular_o treat_v i_o can_v give_v no_o credit_n to_o any_o thing_n that_o mr._n fitzherbert_n shall_v testify_v upon_o his_o own_o knowledge_n unless_o by_o some_o other_o mean_v i_o shall_v find_v it_o to_o be_v true_a 55_o now_o you_o shall_v see_v what_o mr._n fitzherbert_n observe_v out_o of_o his_o own_o testimony_n concern_v fa._n parson_n conference_n with_o his_o holiness_n to_o tax_v i_o of_o improbabilitie_n and_o impertinency_n this_o be_v so_o say_v he_o 217._o he_o pag._n 217._o i_o can_v omit_v upon_o this_o occasion_n to_o desire_v thou_o good_a reader_n to_o note_v the_o improbable_a and_o impertinent_a inference_n which_o widdrington_n make_v upon_o this_o answer_n of_o his_o holiness_n 57_o dispu_n theol._n cap._n 10._o sec_fw-la 2._o nu_fw-la 57_o for_o he_o infer_v thereupon_o that_o his_o holiness_n do_v condemn_v the_o oath_n by_o his_o breve_n and_o hold_v they_o for_o no_o catholic_n who_o incline_v to_o take_v it_o because_o he_o be_v persuade_v that_o his_o authority_n to_o proceed_v with_o censure_n against_o the_o king_n and_o consequent_o his_o spiritual_a authority_n be_v deny_v thereby_o and_o then_o he_o conclude_v 58._o ibid._n nu_fw-la 58._o that_o if_o his_o holiness_n be_v move_v to_o condemn_v it_o for_o that_o cause_n by_o the_o instigation_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n fa._n parson_n and_o those_o seven_o or_o eight_o divine_n mention_v in_o the_o letter_n above_o say_v nimis_fw-la proh_o dolour_n say_v he_o manifestum_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n it_o be_v alas_o too_o manifest_a that_o his_o holiness_n be_v delude_v to_o the_o great_a ignominy_n of_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a the_o grievous_a scandal_n of_o protestant_n and_o the_o utter_a temporal_a ruin_n of_o very_a many_o catholic_n so_o widdrington_n but_o i_o also_o must_v desire_v the_o reader_n to_o note_v the_o egregios_fw-la fraud_n and_o falsehood_n of_o this_o man_n for_o i_o do_v not_o there_o infer_v from_o the_o answer_n of_o his_o holiness_n as_o mr._n fitzherbert_n untrue_o affirm_v that_o his_o holiness_n do_v condemn_v the_o oath_n by_o his_o breve_n and_o hold_v they_o for_o no_o catholic_n who_o incline_v to_o take_v the_o oath_n because_o he_o be_v persuade_v that_o his_o authority_n to_o proceed_v with_o censure_n against_o the_o king_n and_o consequent_o his_o spiritual_a authority_n be_v deny_v thereby_o but_o i_o make_v this_o inference_n first_o from_o the_o doctrine_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n for_o that_o he_o be_v of_o opinion_n from_o which_o divine_n of_o rome_n and_o consequent_o neither_o his_o holiness_n do_v dissent_v that_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o excommunicate_v and_o inflict_v censure_n his_o power_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_v in_o general_a and_o consequent_o his_o spiritual_a supremacy_n be_v plain_o deny_v in_o the_o oath_n and_o second_o from_o the_o first_o part_n of_o fa._n parson_n letter_n concern_v the_o consultation_n of_o the_o divine_n of_o rome_n have_v touch_v the_o oath_n for_o that_o the_o divine_n of_o rome_n do_v also_o suppose_v as_o i_o prove_v in_o that_o place_n that_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o chastise_v in_o general_a and_o consequent_o his_o power_n to_o chastise_v by_o spiritual_a censure_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n so_o that_o i_o make_v there_o no_o inference_n from_o his_o holiness_n answer_v to_o fa._n parson_n but_o i_o only_o make_v a_o explication_n of_o the_o say_a answer_n from_o the_o aforesaid_a inference_n show_v from_o they_o the_o cause_n and_o reason_n why_o his_o holiness_n think_v they_o to_o be_v no_o catholic_n who_o incline_v to_o take_v the_o oath_n for_o that_o he_o be_v persuade_v by_o the_o advice_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o the_o other_o divine_n of_o rome_n that_o his_o power_n to_o excommuniate_v and_o to_o chastise_v prince_n by_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n be_v plain_o deny_v in_o the_o oath_n and_o therefore_o mr._n fitzherbert_n to_o conceal_v his_o fraud_n omit_v to_o set_v down_o my_o express_a word_n and_o the_o first_o part_n of_o fa._n parson_n letter_n and_o what_o i_o infer_v from_o thence_o 57_o wherefore_o from_o the_o discourse_n which_o there_o i_o make_v and_o which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n do_v fraudulent_o conceal_v i_o conclude_v that_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n fa._n parson_n &_o the_o other_o divine_n of_o rome_n use_v such_o sophistical_a inference_n to_o wit_n that_o because_o we_o must_v swear_v that_o notwithstanding_o any_o sentence_n of_o excommunication_n make_v or_o to_o be_v make_v against_o his_o majesty_n we_o will_v bear_v faith_n and_o true_a allegiance_n to_o his_o majesty_n etc._n etc._n therefore_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o excommunicate_a king_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n and_o because_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o punish_v king_n by_o depose_v they_o and_o by_o absolve_a their_o subject_n from_o their_o allegiance_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n therefore_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o punish_v king_n in_o general_a and_o to_o bind_v and_o loose_v in_o general_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n use_v i_o say_v such_o sophistical_a inference_n to_o
prove_v that_o in_o the_o oath_n be_v contain_v many_o thing_n flat_o contrary_a to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n be_v very_o gross_o mistake_v and_o if_o his_o holiness_n trust_v to_o the_o learning_n and_o honesty_n of_o these_o man_n be_v move_v to_o condemn_v the_o oath_n for_o that_o cause_n by_o the_o instigation_n of_o they_o as_o by_o all_o probable_a conjecture_n or_o rather_o by_o moral_a certainty_n he_o be_v as_o i_o convince_v before_o it_o be_v alas_o too_o too_o manifest_a that_o he_o be_v delude_v to_o the_o great_a ignominy_n of_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a the_o grievous_a scandal_n of_o protestant_n and_o to_o the_o utter_a temporal_a ruin_n of_o very_a many_o catholic_n 58_o now_o you_o shall_v see_v how_o childish_o mr._n fitzherbert_n cavil_v at_o that_o word_n if_o as_o though_o now_o at_o last_o i_o make_v a_o doubt_n and_o dare_v not_o absolute_o aver_v that_o his_o holiness_n be_v move_v by_o the_o instigation_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o the_o other_o divine_n of_o rome_n to_o condemn_v the_o oath_n for_o the_o aforesaid_a cause_n wherein_o i_o wish_v to_o be_v note_v say_v he_o 11._o he_o pag._n 217._o nu_fw-la 11._o first_o upon_o what_o a_o weak_a ground_n widdrington_n reject_v the_o pope_n breve_n see_v that_o he_o rely_v only_o upon_o his_o bare_a opinion_n that_o the_o pope_n be_v ill_o inform_v and_o delude_v by_o other_o which_o he_o labour_v serious_o 57_o serious_o ibid._n nu_fw-la 51._o 52._o &_o 57_o to_o peswade_v his_o reader_n to_o be_v very_o probable_a although_o it_o be_v so_o conjectural_a and_o uncertain_a that_o he_o be_v fain_o to_o conclude_v all_o as_o you_o hear_v 58._o hear_v nu._n 58._o with_o a_o if_o or_o a_o peradventure_o so_o as_o if_o the_o pope_n be_v not_o move_v unto_o it_o by_o the_o instigation_n of_o those_o who_o he_o name_v he_o conclude_v or_o proove_v nothing_o but_o his_o own_o impudency_n and_o temeritie_n in_o oppose_v his_o idle_a conceit_n and_o fantasy_n against_o the_o pope_n serious_a and_o solemn_a testimony_n protest_v in_o his_o second_o breve_fw-la as_o you_o have_v hear_v that_o he_o forbid_v the_o oath_n upon_o his_o own_o certain_a knowledge_n motion_n and_o will_v after_o long_o and_o grave_a deliberation_n and_o therefore_o i_o remit_v to_o the_o prudence_n and_o good_a conscience_n of_o any_o sincere_a catholic_a whether_o he_o will_v believe_v in_o this_o case_n this_o man_n vain_a conjecture_n or_o the_o solemn_a protestation_n of_o his_o holiness_n 59_o but_o in_o very_a deed_n i_o be_o ashamed_a that_o mr._n fitzherbert_n shall_v still_o so_o shameful_o be_v wray_v his_o egregious_a fraud_n and_o ignorance_n for_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o i_o make_v no_o doubt_n but_o express_o and_o without_o a_o peradventure_o affirm_v that_o it_o be_v very_o probable_a yea_o and_o moral_o certain_a in_o my_o judgement_n that_o his_o holiness_n understand_v the_o word_n of_o the_o oath_n in_o that_o sense_n wherein_o the_o divine_n of_o rome_n and_o especial_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n etc._n etc._n do_v conceive_v they_o and_o that_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n who_o write_v in_o defence_n of_o his_o breve_n do_v conceive_v they_o in_o this_o sense_n that_o the_o pope_n primacy_n in_o spirituall_n his_o power_n to_o excommunicate_v to_o bind_v and_o loose_v and_o to_o dispense_v in_o oath_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n and_o therefore_o every_o schoolboy_n may_v perceive_v that_o those_o word_n and_o if_o his_o holiness_n etc._n etc._n which_o be_v a_o conclusion_n of_o the_o former_a word_n and_o therefore_o must_v have_v relation_n thereunto_o be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v in_o this_o sense_n as_o my_o adversary_n do_v childish_o gloss_n they_o to_o wit_n and_o if_o his_o holiness_n be_v move_v &c._n &c._n as_o peradventure_o he_o be_v but_o as_o it_o be_v very_o probable_a yea_o and_o moral_o certain_a he_o be_v as_o i_o say_v before_o for_o what_o man_n can_v with_o any_o reason_n imagine_v that_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n in_o the_o understanding_n of_o the_o oath_n do_v dissent_v from_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o divine_n of_o rome_n who_o consult_v thereon_o or_o that_o his_o holiness_n do_v dissent_v therein_o from_o the_o opinion_n of_o they_o both_o and_o therefore_o this_o be_v no_o idle_a conceit_n or_o fantasy_n of_o i_o to_o conceive_v so_o of_o his_o holiness_n but_o a_o manifest_a truth_n and_o moral_a certainty_n and_o to_o conceive_v otherwise_o of_o his_o holiness_n to_o wit_n that_o he_o follow_v not_o herein_o the_o advice_n of_o his_o learned_a divine_n and_o understand_v not_o the_o word_n of_o the_o oath_n in_o that_o sense_n as_o they_o after_o their_o long_a consultation_n do_v understand_v they_o be_v rather_o to_o tax_v his_o holiness_n of_o imprudence_n and_o temeritie_n 60_o and_o if_o the_o conceit_n of_o i_o be_v so_o idle_a and_o conjectural_a and_o uncertain_a as_o this_o fraudulent_a man_n will_v seem_v to_o make_v it_o why_o do_v not_o he_o in_o plain_a word_n deny_v the_o same_o and_o say_v that_o his_o holiness_n do_v not_o understand_v the_o word_n of_o the_o oath_n in_o that_o sense_n wherein_o card._n bellarmine_n and_o the_o other_o divine_n of_o rome_n do_v conceive_v they_o but_o childish_o will_v make_v his_o reader_n believe_v that_o i_o myself_o grant_v it_o to_o be_v very_o conjectural_a and_o uncertain_a by_o conclude_v my_o second_o answer_n with_o a_o if_o whereas_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o i_o say_v plain_o it_o be_v moral_o certain_a and_o therefore_o that_o if_o to_o be_v refer_v thereunto_o and_o to_o have_v this_o sense_n if_o it_o be_v true_a or_o moral_o certain_a as_o true_a it_o be_v that_o his_o holiness_n be_v move_v etc._n etc._n or_o why_o do_v he_o not_o answer_v the_o argument_n which_o i_o bring_v to_o prove_v that_o it_o be_v moral_o certain_a but_o pass_v they_o over_o as_o you_o have_v see_v with_o fraud_n and_o silence_n and_o when_o you_o mr._n fitzherbert_n in_o your_o supplement_n understand_v the_o oath_n to_o deny_v the_o pope_n power_n to_o excommunicate_v and_o deprive_v prince_n and_o in_o respect_n of_o those_o two_o point_n take_v upon_o you_o to_o prove_v the_o oath_n to_o be_v against_o all_o law_n humane_a and_o divine_a although_o now_o your_o silence_n touch_v excommunication_n show_v your_o former_a courage_n to_o be_v quail_v can_v any_o man_n imagine_v but_o that_o you_o be_v then_o at_o rome_n understand_v those_o word_n of_o the_o oath_n notwithstanding_o any_o sentence_n of_o excommunication_n etc._n etc._n in_o that_o sense_n wherein_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o the_o other_o divine_n of_o rome_n who_o consult_v thereon_o do_v conceive_v they_o 61_o all_o which_o be_v consider_v you_o may_v take_v the_o impudence_n and_o temeritie_n which_o you_o will_v lay_v upon_o i_o to_o yourself_o and_o free_o confess_v that_o it_o be_v a_o idle_a impudent_a and_o temerarious_a conceit_n and_o fantasy_n for_o any_o man_n to_o believe_v that_o his_o holiness_n do_v not_o understand_v 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